vhebb wrote:

Anyone know where the freed up 789s will be used once the A380s take over QF1/QF2 in Oct 2022?

One would assume they takeover the BNE-Nth America flying and the A332’s assigned to increase India flying? Hopefully we can see MEL-SFO back.

vhebb wrote:

Anyone know where the freed up 789s will be used once the A380s take over QF1/QF2 in Oct 2022?

If JNB is suspended / not resumed for a while, it could be for the resumption.

Daily JNB is/was already in the schedules

smi0006 wrote:

NZ516 wrote:

Perhaps Qantas will postpone reopening their SYD - JNB route due to the new variant from South Africa.

I’d say so - health authorities are concerned and are trying to look at better way to manage tracking inbound passengers for testing, and righting controls on pax from Africa - near impossible with so little capacity and people booking tickets all over the planet to get home.

I guess the health authorities are also concerned about Zeta strain… The world needs to crack on with life…

Patiently waiting for QR code’s at public toilets and cubicles…


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kriskim wrote:

vhebb wrote:

Anyone know where the freed up 789s will be used once the A380s take over QF1/QF2 in Oct 2022?

One would assume they takeover the BNE-Nth America flying and the A332’s assigned to increase India flying? Hopefully we can see MEL-SFO back.

I wouldn’t think it will be BNE-US, they should have 14 789s by October 2022. You would have something like if things go to the current plan.

MEL-LAX daily 2 aircraft
MEL-PER-LHR daily 3
SYD-SFO daily 2
SYD-DFW daily 2
SYD-JNB daily 1.5
SYD-SCL daily 1.5
SYD-YVR 3 weekly 1

That is 13, then will they need more capacity MEL-LAX plus MEL-SFO?

I tend to think going to the trouble to increase MTOW on some A332s that they will be on the BNE-US routes for some time, hopefully later in 2023 the A380s will be back on MEL-LAX and SYD-DFW daily freeing up a further 4 789s for further expansion into new markets and the return of MEL-SFO.

Air India back in Melbourne from 19/12 3 weekly.

AI 308 1900 AI309 2130 146

AND Borders are about to close again - to everywhere

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 59cq0.html

14 days home quarantine is back for Victoria for all arrivals

https://twitter.com/Raf_Epstein/status/ ... 3335990275

log0008 wrote:

14 days home quarantine is back for Victoria for all arrivals

https://twitter.com/Raf_Epstein/status/ ... 3335990275

Thankfully no 14 day quarantine for all (yet....)

All overseas arrivals into VIC & NSW must get tested on arrival & home quarantine for 72 hours.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/fede ... 59cq0.html

melpax wrote:

log0008 wrote:

14 days home quarantine is back for Victoria for all arrivals

https://twitter.com/Raf_Epstein/status/ ... 3335990275

Thankfully no 14 day quarantine for all (yet....)

All overseas arrivals into VIC & NSW must get tested on arrival & home quarantine for 72 hours.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/fede ... 59cq0.html

So over this crap…

They give with one hand and take with the other…

I love the aviation industry but its seriously time to consider another industry…


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EK413 wrote:

So over this crap…

They give with one hand and take with the other…

I love the aviation industry but its seriously time to consider another industry…

Don't blame you. I think the caravan industry will still be where it's at for a little while yet......

melpax wrote:

EK413 wrote:

So over this crap…

They give with one hand and take with the other…

I love the aviation industry but its seriously time to consider another industry…

Don't blame you. I think the caravan industry will still be where it's at for a little while yet......

Wait till the state borders start closing again and it'll be gone to.

Unfortunately, these variants are only going to continue to occur, with all the complications it brings, so unfortunately all the lobbying and push to get things back to normal quickly brings with it significant risk.

The uncertainly for the a aviation, tourism and broader business environment is as hard to read as ever. I have liked seeing new announcements of services and restrictions lifting, but it appears we will all need to be ready for these kinds of responses to occur.

Looking at the AI announcement that they were to restart MEL-DEL in December was interesting though. With QF also starting the MEL-DEL route, there would be a combined 7 x weekly flights, but I do find it interesting that QF didn’t go into Mumbai with its SYD/MEL services .

I hope one day to see a flight from Mumbai or southern India also, as I do feel that it will broaden the coverage and opportunities, but time will tell.

IndianicWorld wrote:

Unfortunately, these variants are only going to continue to occur, with all the complications it brings, so unfortunately all the lobbying and push to get things back to normal quickly brings with it significant risk.

The uncertainly for the a aviation, tourism and broader business environment is as hard to read as ever. I have liked seeing new announcements of services and restrictions lifting, but it appears we will all need to be ready for these kinds of responses to occur.

Looking at the AI announcement that they were to restart MEL-DEL in December was interesting though. With QF also starting the MEL-DEL route, there would be a combined 7 x weekly flights, but I do find it interesting that QF didn’t go into Mumbai with its SYD/MEL services .

I hope one day to see a flight from Mumbai or southern India also, as I do feel that it will broaden the coverage and opportunities, but time will tell.

India has a big thing going for it (especially in Melbourne) right now. The vast majority of travel right now is people returning to their home country to visit family. When you take China out (their borders) almost half of Melbournes internationally born population was born in India.

log0008 wrote:

melpax wrote:

EK413 wrote:

So over this crap…

They give with one hand and take with the other…

I love the aviation industry but its seriously time to consider another industry…

Don't blame you. I think the caravan industry will still be where it's at for a little while yet......

Wait till the state borders start closing again and it'll be gone to.

Yeah can’t wait til that happens. The premiers are on power trips every fly crossing the border gets stopped and turned around.

New variant or no new variant life goes on and we need to live with this flu / cold / headache / sore throat “virus”. Are we going to live in bubbles for the next century because it feels that way.

Like everyone we all want to get on with life.


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vhebb wrote:

Daily JNB is/was already in the schedules

They will most likely postpone flights for a while and hold bookings in credit.

redroo wrote:

I know this isn’t an aviation comment...

People’s patience for restrictions is starting to wear thin. The protests are only going to get bigger and more frequent. Unfortunately, the situation will continue until the polls tell pollies that they will lose their jobs if they lockdown/close a border/etc again.

I have 5 trips planned to see friends/family and pump some hard earned cash into my beloved Aussie aviation sector... but I wont buy if there is risk of lockdown/quarantine/etc.

QF have also burned themselves here. I could buy my trips now and lock in good prices. But with the risk of restrictions, there is a risk that my trip changes and then I am on the phone to Qantas or waiting months for a refund. Once burned, twice shy.

Having to watch the news every day just in case Premier X shuts down the border is not a vacation.

Sorry... bit of a rant, but I can see the trips i was dreaming of taking rapidly fading.

I can understand that. I, and all my friends in Sydney, refuse to go to QLD to holiday now with alot of hotels being non-refundable and Border rules that seem to be based on fear rather than science. Now that everyone has figured out how the Byron area is we don't need the Goldie any more. And I'd rather spend my money on international trips next year anyway if the Border is open.

On a side note, the Health NSW system doesn't appear to be connected in terms of telling them who is an International arrival and when they've been tested. I've had my day after and 7 day test in accordance with NSW Health guidelines but keep on getting text messages from them telling me I haven't. LOL

Please post on topic.

The question is... are we going to see a reduction in flights again?

redroo wrote:

The question is... are we going to see a reduction in flights again?

Probably not at the moment, if things stay as they are.

redroo wrote:

The question is... are we going to see a reduction in flights again?

Hopefully these new variant is treated with common sense, and life goes on and flights go on.

Serious talks government talks going on tonight about Vic, NSW, and ACT bringing back 14 days home quarantine for all arrivals.

At this point, I’m just flabbergasted. Its hard to see the Aviation or Tourism Industry come out of 2021 in one piece.

zkncj wrote:

redroo wrote:

The question is... are we going to see a reduction in flights again?

Hopefully these new variant is treated with common sense, and life goes on and flights go on.

“Common sense” in the middle of an unpredictable and dangerous pandemic is not necessarily going to be a return to “normality” for the travel and tourism industries. Just sayin’ . . .

DavidByrne wrote:

zkncj wrote:

redroo wrote:

The question is... are we going to see a reduction in flights again?

Hopefully these new variant is treated with common sense, and life goes on and flights go on.

“Common sense” in the middle of an unpredictable and dangerous pandemic is not necessarily going to be a return to “normality” for the travel and tourism industries. Just sayin’ . . .

Considering the ban now in place against the particular countries and that people who have arrived from there are now all either in hotel quarantine or being rounded up for it I think that's about as far as NSW will go.

It does beg the question of testing and whether or not you'll see increased testing requirements for people crossing the Border. It could be that they revert back to a 72 hour home quarantine system where everyone gets a test on arrival and a day 3 test. That's probably all that is required at this stage. Also a question on whether or not EK and QR are checking documents because the news was saying there were unvaccinated travellers on the QR flight and I didn't think that an unvaccinated traveller would be allowed on any aircraft bound for Australia. So it'll be interesting to see if they need to back off their schedule, or if the Govt asks them to use smaller aircraft, so literally everyone on the incoming aircraft can be screened.

Sydscott wrote:

It does beg the question of testing and whether or not you'll see increased testing requirements for people crossing the Border. It could be that they revert back to a 72 hour home quarantine system where everyone gets a test on arrival and a day 3 test. That's probably all that is required at this stage. Also a question on whether or not EK and QR are checking documents because the news was saying there were unvaccinated travellers on the QR flight and I didn't think that an unvaccinated traveller would be allowed on any aircraft bound for Australia. So it'll be interesting to see if they need to back off their schedule, or if the Govt asks them to use smaller aircraft, so literally everyone on the incoming aircraft can be screened.

From what I understand is non vaccinated travellers, are to go straight into hotel quarantine upon arrival in SYD or MEL for 14 days.

Although does beg the question, that they are allowed in the same flight as vaccinated traveler’s. While the risk of an vaccinated person catching covid is lower, it doesn’t mean it’s zero.

Are airlines flying into Australia required to seperate the cabin that un vaxed / vaxed are in?

zkncj wrote:

Sydscott wrote:

It does beg the question of testing and whether or not you'll see increased testing requirements for people crossing the Border. It could be that they revert back to a 72 hour home quarantine system where everyone gets a test on arrival and a day 3 test. That's probably all that is required at this stage. Also a question on whether or not EK and QR are checking documents because the news was saying there were unvaccinated travellers on the QR flight and I didn't think that an unvaccinated traveller would be allowed on any aircraft bound for Australia. So it'll be interesting to see if they need to back off their schedule, or if the Govt asks them to use smaller aircraft, so literally everyone on the incoming aircraft can be screened.

From what I understand is non vaccinated travellers, are to go straight into hotel quarantine upon arrival in SYD or MEL for 14 days.

Although does beg the question, that they are allowed in the same flight as vaccinated traveler’s. While the risk of an vaccinated person catching covid is lower, it doesn’t mean it’s zero.

Are airlines flying into Australia required to seperate the cabin that un vaxed / vaxed are in?

There is no requirement to separate customer or crew who are unvaccinated onboard - they are separated on arrival and as you mentioned dispatched to hotel quarantine for pax, crew must isolate in their rooms. Wonder how many crew at this point are unvaccinated though?

smi0006 wrote:

zkncj wrote:

Sydscott wrote:

It does beg the question of testing and whether or not you'll see increased testing requirements for people crossing the Border. It could be that they revert back to a 72 hour home quarantine system where everyone gets a test on arrival and a day 3 test. That's probably all that is required at this stage. Also a question on whether or not EK and QR are checking documents because the news was saying there were unvaccinated travellers on the QR flight and I didn't think that an unvaccinated traveller would be allowed on any aircraft bound for Australia. So it'll be interesting to see if they need to back off their schedule, or if the Govt asks them to use smaller aircraft, so literally everyone on the incoming aircraft can be screened.

From what I understand is non vaccinated travellers, are to go straight into hotel quarantine upon arrival in SYD or MEL for 14 days.

Although does beg the question, that they are allowed in the same flight as vaccinated traveler’s. While the risk of an vaccinated person catching covid is lower, it doesn’t mean it’s zero.

Are airlines flying into Australia required to seperate the cabin that un vaxed / vaxed are in?

There is no requirement to separate customer or crew who are unvaccinated onboard - they are separated on arrival and as you mentioned dispatched to hotel quarantine for pax, crew must isolate in their rooms. Wonder how many crew at this point are unvaccinated though?

The only flights where there are only vaccinated travellers allowed by government regulation are VTL flights through SIN. Having said that, some airlines have chosen to operate their international flights on a vaccinated only basis.

More coverage on Bonza, no 'news' in there but some good background on the local market scene and why Bonza thinks it can succeed.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 59c93.html

tullamarine wrote:

smi0006 wrote:

zkncj wrote:

From what I understand is non vaccinated travellers, are to go straight into hotel quarantine upon arrival in SYD or MEL for 14 days.

Although does beg the question, that they are allowed in the same flight as vaccinated traveler’s. While the risk of an vaccinated person catching covid is lower, it doesn’t mean it’s zero.

Are airlines flying into Australia required to seperate the cabin that un vaxed / vaxed are in?

There is no requirement to separate customer or crew who are unvaccinated onboard - they are separated on arrival and as you mentioned dispatched to hotel quarantine for pax, crew must isolate in their rooms. Wonder how many crew at this point are unvaccinated though?

The only flights where there are only vaccinated travellers allowed by government regulation are VTL flights through SIN. Having said that, some airlines have chosen to operate their international flights on a vaccinated only basis.

And flights from New Zealand under the quarantine free travel arrangement.

Back to the old days of smoking & non-smoking.

Vaccinated on the side of the cabin & non-vacced on the other breathing the same air

Good to see Vic and NSW holding at 72 hours home quaratine. Lot of people flocking home at the moment, most inbound flights are booked out.

Meanwhile NSW is making all pilots isolate for 14 days, Vic only 72 hours like everyone else.

grh wrote:

Back to the old days of smoking & non-smoking.

Vaccinated on the side of the cabin & non-vacced on the other breathing the same air

Ahh the good old days of the surely the smoke won’t cross the invisible line.

Anyway maybe the Vaxed vs Non Vaxed, split might be the a380s only selling point in 2022.

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