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United Airlines Parked 757's

Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:15 pm

Hello everyone!

Since the fleet and network threads are so extensive, it's kinda hard to keep up with them. So, I've attempted various searches on the forum and the closest thing I came up was the 11 parked PW-powered 757's aside from the sole 757-300, parked as well. Are these eleven PMUA 757-200's just parked for now or might as well be considered retired with the expected arrival of the A321XLR's and A321NEO's? Since I don't live on the mainland anymore, I simply hadn't noticed these weren't flying anymore.

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Uni ... ypeasc.htm
 
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Re: United Airlines Parked 757's

Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:27 pm

All PW-powered UA 757s have been retired. It's somewhere on the corporate sheets of UA that they are no longer part of the fleet. The only 757s left would be the ex-CO ones.
 
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Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:38 pm

FlyingMSY wrote:
All PW-powered UA 757s have been retired. It's somewhere on the corporate sheets of UA that they are no longer part of the fleet. The only 757s left would be the ex-CO ones.


As appropriate as that is given the age of these airframes, it still makes me sad. I still remember driving to the Museum of Flight at BFI on a few weekends in high school in the early 90s; I had a pick-up which I backed to the fence to watch the factory-fresh Saul Bass 752s taxi close by on the way to (then) 31L. The hot exhaust was, of course, always shiny and the Captain/FO would sometimes wave back. :cloudnine:
 
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Re: United Airlines Parked 757's

Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:46 pm

Western727 wrote:
FlyingMSY wrote:
All PW-powered UA 757s have been retired. It's somewhere on the corporate sheets of UA that they are no longer part of the fleet. The only 757s left would be the ex-CO ones.


As appropriate as that is given the age of these airframes, it still makes me sad. I still remember driving to the Museum of Flight at BFI on a few weekends in high school in the early 90s; I had a pick-up which I backed to the fence to watch the factory-fresh Saul Bass 752s taxi close by on the way to (then) 31L. The hot exhaust was, of course, always shiny and the Captain/FO would sometimes wave back. :cloudnine:


Actually... N592-N598UA are all younger than the oldest ex-CO 757 still flying. (591 would've fallen under this category as well, had it not been destroyed in 9/11...)
591 first flew in 1996, and the rest were delivered between 1996-1999.
Compare this to CO's fleet which were delivered between 1994-2000 (the -200s anyway).

Src: planespotters.net
 
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Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:02 pm

FlyingMSY wrote:
Western727 wrote:
FlyingMSY wrote:
All PW-powered UA 757s have been retired. It's somewhere on the corporate sheets of UA that they are no longer part of the fleet. The only 757s left would be the ex-CO ones.


As appropriate as that is given the age of these airframes, it still makes me sad. I still remember driving to the Museum of Flight at BFI on a few weekends in high school in the early 90s; I had a pick-up which I backed to the fence to watch the factory-fresh Saul Bass 752s taxi close by on the way to (then) 31L. The hot exhaust was, of course, always shiny and the Captain/FO would sometimes wave back. :cloudnine:


Actually... N592-N598UA are all younger than the oldest ex-CO 757 still flying. (591 would've fallen under this category as well, had it not been destroyed in 9/11...)
591 first flew in 1996, and the rest were delivered between 1996-1999.
Compare this to CO's fleet which were delivered between 1994-2000 (the -200s anyway).

Src: planespotters.net


Thanks for this. So I guess UA doesn't want to deal with the higher MX costs of the PW2000s anymore, and/or they don't want to maintain a small subfleet of Pratt-powered -222s. Will they be parted out to support the -224s?
 
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Re: United Airlines Parked 757's

Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:13 pm

This retirement wasn't planned before COVID, as UA was in the middle of installing satellite Wi-Fi on this subfleet when it was retired so clearly they had at least a few years left in them. With the crunch of having the domestic 777s grounded I would have thought the airline would look at bringing these back online.
 
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Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:16 pm

yankees368 wrote:
This retirement wasn't planned before COVID, as UA was in the middle of installing satellite Wi-Fi on this subfleet when it was retired so clearly they had at least a few years left in them. With the crunch of having the domestic 777s grounded I would have thought the airline would look at bringing these back online.


That would make sense, except that UA appears to be confident that they'll be back flying in early 2022, in time for the summer rush, so there's that. UA's been spending good money to ferry them back and forth to China for heavy mx for some months now to keep them current and ready to go at a relative moment's notice after mods to the PW4000s.
 
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Re: United Airlines Parked 757's

Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:27 pm

Western727 wrote:
FlyingMSY wrote:
All PW-powered UA 757s have been retired. It's somewhere on the corporate sheets of UA that they are no longer part of the fleet. The only 757s left would be the ex-CO ones.


As appropriate as that is given the age of these airframes, it still makes me sad. I still remember driving to the Museum of Flight at BFI on a few weekends in high school in the early 90s; I had a pick-up which I backed to the fence to watch the factory-fresh Saul Bass 752s taxi close by on the way to (then) 31L. The hot exhaust was, of course, always shiny and the Captain/FO would sometimes wave back. :cloudnine:


Ahhh, I see. It's a shame these birds are no longer flying. I've always preferred RR but I've always had to admit the PW 757's are just one fine beast of machinery. Hopefully they'll find a new home; some still have a couple of years left in life (though I'm not sure how high they are in cycles). Thanks, everyone, for your clarifications.
 
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Re: United Airlines Parked 757's

Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:23 pm

yankees368 wrote:
This retirement wasn't planned before COVID, as UA was in the middle of installing satellite Wi-Fi on this subfleet when it was retired so clearly they had at least a few years left in them. With the crunch of having the domestic 777s grounded I would have thought the airline would look at bringing these back online.


Those PW 757's wouldn't have done much good because they're in the PS layout with a ton of business class seats.

All standard domestic layout PW 757-200's were retired around 2015 or 2016.
 
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Re: United Airlines Parked 757's

Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:31 pm

FlyingMSY wrote:
Western727 wrote:
FlyingMSY wrote:
All PW-powered UA 757s have been retired. It's somewhere on the corporate sheets of UA that they are no longer part of the fleet. The only 757s left would be the ex-CO ones.


As appropriate as that is given the age of these airframes, it still makes me sad. I still remember driving to the Museum of Flight at BFI on a few weekends in high school in the early 90s; I had a pick-up which I backed to the fence to watch the factory-fresh Saul Bass 752s taxi close by on the way to (then) 31L. The hot exhaust was, of course, always shiny and the Captain/FO would sometimes wave back. :cloudnine:


Actually... N592-N598UA are all younger than the oldest ex-CO 757 still flying. (591 would've fallen under this category as well, had it not been destroyed in 9/11...)
591 first flew in 1996, and the rest were delivered between 1996-1999.
Compare this to CO's fleet which were delivered between 1994-2000 (the -200s anyway).

Src: planespotters.net


I don't know if this is still true, but if I recall correctly, the sCO birds tended to fly longer stage lengths and had lower cycles than the sUA ones at the time of the merger. UA used the 757s for many shorter domestic stage lengths racking up many hours and cycles.

Plus all the sCO 757s were ETOPS whereas sUA only had 15 or 16 ETOPS 757s. I think those were the last to stick around and were only used on the TCON flying at the end.
 
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Re: United Airlines Parked 757's

Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:57 pm

airzim wrote:
FlyingMSY wrote:
Western727 wrote:

As appropriate as that is given the age of these airframes, it still makes me sad. I still remember driving to the Museum of Flight at BFI on a few weekends in high school in the early 90s; I had a pick-up which I backed to the fence to watch the factory-fresh Saul Bass 752s taxi close by on the way to (then) 31L. The hot exhaust was, of course, always shiny and the Captain/FO would sometimes wave back. :cloudnine:


Actually... N592-N598UA are all younger than the oldest ex-CO 757 still flying. (591 would've fallen under this category as well, had it not been destroyed in 9/11...)
591 first flew in 1996, and the rest were delivered between 1996-1999.
Compare this to CO's fleet which were delivered between 1994-2000 (the -200s anyway).

Src: planespotters.net


I don't know if this is still true, but if I recall correctly, the sCO birds tended to fly longer stage lengths and had lower cycles than the sUA ones at the time of the merger. UA used the 757s for many shorter domestic stage lengths racking up many hours and cycles.

Plus all the sCO 757s were ETOPS whereas sUA only had 15 or 16 ETOPS 757s. I think those were the last to stick around and were only used on the TCON flying at the end.


The ETOPS 757's were not in PS layout. Pre-merger they were used primarily to Hawaii from SFO, LAX, and DEN. They would also fly non-PS transcons occasionally to ORD and IAD mostly as they also liked to use them on ORD/IAD to AUA. All ETOPS 752's had winglets, some PS 752's had winglets, no 752's that weren't ETOPS or PS had winglets. It's worth remembering that the small fleet of ETOPS 752's were PMUA's only ETOPS Narrowbody aircraft.
 
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Re: United Airlines Parked 757's

Fri Nov 05, 2021 4:39 pm

drdisque wrote:
airzim wrote:
FlyingMSY wrote:

Actually... N592-N598UA are all younger than the oldest ex-CO 757 still flying. (591 would've fallen under this category as well, had it not been destroyed in 9/11...)
591 first flew in 1996, and the rest were delivered between 1996-1999.
Compare this to CO's fleet which were delivered between 1994-2000 (the -200s anyway).

Src: planespotters.net


I don't know if this is still true, but if I recall correctly, the sCO birds tended to fly longer stage lengths and had lower cycles than the sUA ones at the time of the merger. UA used the 757s for many shorter domestic stage lengths racking up many hours and cycles.

Plus all the sCO 757s were ETOPS whereas sUA only had 15 or 16 ETOPS 757s. I think those were the last to stick around and were only used on the TCON flying at the end.


The ETOPS 757's were not in PS layout. Pre-merger they were used primarily to Hawaii from SFO, LAX, and DEN. They would also fly non-PS transcons occasionally to ORD and IAD mostly as they also liked to use them on ORD/IAD to AUA. All ETOPS 752's had winglets, some PS 752's had winglets, no 752's that weren't ETOPS or PS had winglets. It's worth remembering that the small fleet of ETOPS 752's were PMUA's only ETOPS Narrowbody aircraft.


I thought post merger, all the ETOPS sUA 757s with winglets were all converted to PS layout?
 
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Fri Nov 05, 2021 5:51 pm

Regardless of the reason, will miss the sound of those PW engines when sitting in first class. Honestly, as a student of commercial aviation engine sounds, the PW 757 was the best. Deep and rich. Shame.
 
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Fri Nov 05, 2021 5:55 pm

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Regardless of the reason, will miss the sound of those PW engines when sitting in first class. Honestly, as a student of commercial aviation engine sounds, the PW 757 was the best. Deep and rich. Shame.


I feel you. My sections for my aviation classes always end up keeping the chats when the semesters end and, after all the A vs B and this airline versus that airline, we always end up reminiscing about the days when the 757 was the most common narrowbody in our home airport.
 
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Fri Nov 05, 2021 6:08 pm

airzim wrote:
drdisque wrote:
airzim wrote:

I don't know if this is still true, but if I recall correctly, the sCO birds tended to fly longer stage lengths and had lower cycles than the sUA ones at the time of the merger. UA used the 757s for many shorter domestic stage lengths racking up many hours and cycles.

Plus all the sCO 757s were ETOPS whereas sUA only had 15 or 16 ETOPS 757s. I think those were the last to stick around and were only used on the TCON flying at the end.


The ETOPS 757's were not in PS layout. Pre-merger they were used primarily to Hawaii from SFO, LAX, and DEN. They would also fly non-PS transcons occasionally to ORD and IAD mostly as they also liked to use them on ORD/IAD to AUA. All ETOPS 752's had winglets, some PS 752's had winglets, no 752's that weren't ETOPS or PS had winglets. It's worth remembering that the small fleet of ETOPS 752's were PMUA's only ETOPS Narrowbody aircraft.


I thought post merger, all the ETOPS sUA 757s with winglets were all converted to PS layout?


No, the old 3 class PS were converted to the new 2 class PS. One of the ETOPS birds might have been added to the PS fleet though and converted from 182 seat to new PS.
 
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Fri Nov 05, 2021 6:49 pm

robleroy121721 wrote:
richiemo wrote:
Regardless of the reason, will miss the sound of those PW engines when sitting in first class. Honestly, as a student of commercial aviation engine sounds, the PW 757 was the best. Deep and rich. Shame.


I feel you. My sections for my aviation classes always end up keeping the chats when the semesters end and, after all the A vs B and this airline versus that airline, we always end up reminiscing about the days when the 757 was the most common narrowbody in our home airport.


Totally agree, though I was a NW frequent flyer when I lived in MSP. The post-deicing takeoffs were the best because that meant full-power takeoffs and the sound was even deeper and richer.
 
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Fri Nov 05, 2021 6:58 pm

Western727 wrote:
FlyingMSY wrote:
All PW-powered UA 757s have been retired. It's somewhere on the corporate sheets of UA that they are no longer part of the fleet. The only 757s left would be the ex-CO ones.


As appropriate as that is given the age of these airframes, it still makes me sad. I still remember driving to the Museum of Flight at BFI on a few weekends in high school in the early 90s; I had a pick-up which I backed to the fence to watch the factory-fresh Saul Bass 752s taxi close by on the way to (then) 31L. The hot exhaust was, of course, always shiny and the Captain/FO would sometimes wave back. :cloudnine:


The first round PW frames that were parked. We’re not particularly high cycle or hours. Many were picked up by Fed Ex. I had heard there were some corrosion issues.
 
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Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:00 pm

drdisque wrote:
airzim wrote:
drdisque wrote:

The ETOPS 757's were not in PS layout. Pre-merger they were used primarily to Hawaii from SFO, LAX, and DEN. They would also fly non-PS transcons occasionally to ORD and IAD mostly as they also liked to use them on ORD/IAD to AUA. All ETOPS 752's had winglets, some PS 752's had winglets, no 752's that weren't ETOPS or PS had winglets. It's worth remembering that the small fleet of ETOPS 752's were PMUA's only ETOPS Narrowbody aircraft.


I thought post merger, all the ETOPS sUA 757s with winglets were all converted to PS layout?


No, the old 3 class PS were converted to the new 2 class PS. One of the ETOPS birds might have been added to the PS fleet though and converted from 182 seat to new PS.


I actually think airzim is right. According to the UA Fleet Site, the 3-cabin p.s. birds were retired around 2013, and another chunk of PW 752s (some ETOPS, some OW, some not) were converted to the new p.s. configuration that had 28J and a very CO-style cabin.

https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... e-aircraft
 
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Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:51 pm

drdisque wrote:
airzim wrote:
FlyingMSY wrote:

Actually... N592-N598UA are all younger than the oldest ex-CO 757 still flying. (591 would've fallen under this category as well, had it not been destroyed in 9/11...)
591 first flew in 1996, and the rest were delivered between 1996-1999.
Compare this to CO's fleet which were delivered between 1994-2000 (the -200s anyway).

Src: planespotters.net


I don't know if this is still true, but if I recall correctly, the sCO birds tended to fly longer stage lengths and had lower cycles than the sUA ones at the time of the merger. UA used the 757s for many shorter domestic stage lengths racking up many hours and cycles.

Plus all the sCO 757s were ETOPS whereas sUA only had 15 or 16 ETOPS 757s. I think those were the last to stick around and were only used on the TCON flying at the end.


The ETOPS 757's were not in PS layout. Pre-merger they were used primarily to Hawaii from SFO, LAX, and DEN. They would also fly non-PS transcons occasionally to ORD and IAD mostly as they also liked to use them on ORD/IAD to AUA. All ETOPS 752's had winglets, some PS 752's had winglets, no 752's that weren't ETOPS or PS had winglets. It's worth remembering that the small fleet of ETOPS 752's were PMUA's only ETOPS Narrowbody aircraft.


What was the gross weight on the sUA ETOPS planes? Were they 255,000 lb. like the sCO ones or just lighter with ETOPS certification?
 
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Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:59 pm

Some of the original ps 757s were retired and replaced by other ones, others were kept to be converted
 
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Fri Nov 05, 2021 10:40 pm

I think an issue was that FedEx didn’t want to buy any of UA’s 757s with winglets. This led to some reshuffling of which ones would stay in the UA fleet.
 
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Wonder why there’s a 753 parked

That’s an exceptionally useful aircraft, surprised its not in service
 
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Wonder why there’s a 753 parked

That’s an exceptionally useful aircraft, surprised its not in service


It will be back. They're pulling them out of the desert and running them through, among other places, Airborne in ILN and TPA. Since April 2021 (i.e. 7 months), UA has sent 9 757-200s to/through ILN alone. Five of those came straight from storage in the desert.
 
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Wonder why there’s a 753 parked

That’s an exceptionally useful aircraft, surprised its not in service


Probably awaiting slot for a C check.
 
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Max Q wrote:
Wonder why there’s a 753 parked

That’s an exceptionally useful aircraft, surprised its not in service


Might've been up for a D-Check. Although I don't know anything at all about maintenance, I'm sure the cost of a D-check would be enough to park a plane during a crisis like this one and much cheaper replacing it with parked aircraft able to fly after a brief check meanwhile.
 
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Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:28 am

Noob question: what does the s in “sUA” stand for, and what is the “PS layout”?
 
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Noob question: what does the s in “sUA” stand for, and what is the “PS layout”?


PS layout refers to premium service; United had a fleet of 757s dedicated for lucrative transcontinental routes (i.e. JFK-SFO). A selling point of that was that those 757s were configured with 180-degree, lie-flat seats.

As for s, I'm actually not sure myself, but I know it refers to pre-merger UA.
 
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"sUA" stands for subsidiary United Airlines, the term which was coined to describe United Airlines assets (planes, routes, employees, etc) after UA merged with CO, but there were still two separate operating certificates, I believe.
 
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birdup wrote:
Noob question: what does the s in “sUA” stand for, and what is the “PS layout”?


PS layout refers to premium service; United had a fleet of 757s dedicated for lucrative transcontinental routes (i.e. JFK-SFO). A selling point of that was that those 757s were configured with 180-degree, lie-flat seats.

As for s, I'm actually not sure myself, but I know it refers to pre-merger UA.


The S stands for "subsidiary." "sUA" and "sCO" were were actually terms used post-merger to signify the two different workgroups. It took the merged UA several years to actually get pilots and flight attendants from the two former airlines onto one contract. sCO crew could only work on sCO planes, and the same was true for sUA crews.

adipasqu wrote:
"sUA" stands for subsidiary United Airlines, the term which was coined to describe United Airlines assets (planes, routes, employees, etc) after UA merged with CO, but there were still two separate operating certificates, I believe.


Oh there was definitely only one operating certificate pretty shortly after the merger closed. It was all about the different union contracts.
 
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Oh there was definitely only one operating certificate pretty shortly after the merger closed. It was all about the different union contracts.


From https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 46913.html:

"CHICAGO, Nov. 30, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- United Continental Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: UAL) announced today that it received Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) approval for a single operating certificate, marking another significant achievement in the integration of United Airlines and Continental Airlines.

//

United and Continental announced their merger in May 2010 and closed the transaction on Oct. 1, 2010."

So there was a period of at least 1 year where there were separate operating certificates, essentially two separate airlines (sUA and sCO) operating under United Continental Holdings, Inc. Merging of union contracts and seniority lists, well, that was a whole different ball of wax...
 
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intotheair wrote:

Oh there was definitely only one operating certificate pretty shortly after the merger closed. It was all about the different union contracts.


From https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 46913.html:

"CHICAGO, Nov. 30, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- United Continental Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: UAL) announced today that it received Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) approval for a single operating certificate, marking another significant achievement in the integration of United Airlines and Continental Airlines.

//

United and Continental announced their merger in May 2010 and closed the transaction on Oct. 1, 2010."

So there was a period of at least 1 year where there were separate operating certificates, essentially two separate airlines (sUA and sCO) operating under United Continental Holdings, Inc. Merging of union contracts and seniority lists, well, that was a whole different ball of wax...


Yes, the one-year period where there were two AOCs at least feels "short" in comparison to the 5+ years of having separate crews!

I can still remember the first time I flew with an sCO crew. I flew SFO-DEN on a 738 in probably late 2011 or early 2012. The plane already had the United titles, but you could tell there was something different about the crew with their big Texas hair and gold uniforms. Between that and the seatback TVs, it was different from my usual UA 752 with channel 9 and the FAs wearing bathrobes.
 
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Sat Nov 06, 2021 4:46 am

Many of their transcon needs can be met with them widebodies or other 757s anyways.

A lot of the UA 757 fleet is flying cargo now. Has been for sometime. Can't say the same will happen to the PS birds.

Side note, I wish they'd at least keep their 757-300s past 2025. Not like they are particularly old and they're going to be keeping their overvalued 767s longer (at least those ultra-J ones), so the type isn't becoming overly niche.

Last I checked PS was supposed to be replaced with 737-10s. Best of luck to that airplane.
 
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Sun Nov 07, 2021 5:08 am

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Many of their transcon needs can be met with them widebodies or other 757s anyways.

A lot of the UA 757 fleet is flying cargo now. Has been for sometime. Can't say the same will happen to the PS birds.

Side note, I wish they'd at least keep their 757-300s past 2025. Not like they are particularly old and they're going to be keeping their overvalued 767s longer (at least those ultra-J ones), so the type isn't becoming overly niche.

Last I checked PS was supposed to be replaced with 737-10s. Best of luck to that airplane.


I don't think there was talk of the 753s leaving any time soon. They have some of the best CASM in the entire fleet. I bet UA will fly them until the physically can't anymore.
 
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Pinto wrote:
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Many of their transcon needs can be met with them widebodies or other 757s anyways.

A lot of the UA 757 fleet is flying cargo now. Has been for sometime. Can't say the same will happen to the PS birds.

Side note, I wish they'd at least keep their 757-300s past 2025. Not like they are particularly old and they're going to be keeping their overvalued 767s longer (at least those ultra-J ones), so the type isn't becoming overly niche.

Last I checked PS was supposed to be replaced with 737-10s. Best of luck to that airplane.


I don't think there was talk of the 753s leaving any time soon. They have some of the best CASM in the entire fleet. I bet UA will fly them until the physically can't anymore.


Hmm coulda sworn it was slated somewhere they were all going to be retired.

Our oh-so reliable Wikipedia actually says they aren't expected for retirement anytime soon though (though I thought they were).

That's some good news to me! They've really got to fly them on the densest of routes, not just "profitable in the front" routes.
 
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Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:08 am

CarlosSi wrote:
I don't think there was talk of the 753s leaving any time soon. They have some of the best CASM in the entire fleet. I bet UA will fly them until the physically can't anymore.

Hmm coulda sworn it was slated somewhere they were all going to be retired.[/quote]

Well, as we all know, today's fleet plan is tomorrow's former fleet plan.

These frames have a lot of cycles left, and they have an amazing CASM -- narrowbody aircraft (e.g. low wind resistance) with more seats than a typical 767-200 (234 seats on UA).

Pretty-sure that the Widget airline would give them a hard look if UA parked them.
 
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Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:55 am

wjcandee wrote:

Pretty-sure that the Widget airline would give them a hard look if UA parked them.


Before someone brings up the engine differences, I would like to point out that DL has maintained RR 757s in the past and has a maintenance training course for the RR RB211-535 engine. I don’t think DL will be buying used 753s anytime soon, but the engine differences aren’t a deal breaker like they used to be.
 
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Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:08 pm

That would make sense, except that UA appears to be confident that they'll be back flying in early 2022, in time for the summer rush, so there's that. UA's been spending good money to ferry them back and forth to China for heavy mx for some months now to keep them current and ready to go at a relative moment's notice after mods to the PW4000s.[/quote]

I did see one of them at SFO out at the run-up pad. So that's a good sign
 
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Sun Nov 07, 2021 4:35 pm

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Noob question: what does the s in “sUA” stand for, and what is the “PS layout”?


The "s" stands for "subsidiary" and refers to the pre-merger UA assets. You will also see "l-UA" (legacy) or "pm-UA" (pre-merger) used in the same way. I use "pm," but it's a matter of personal style and preference.
 
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Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:00 pm

DocLightning wrote:
birdup wrote:
Noob question: what does the s in “sUA” stand for, and what is the “PS layout”?


The "s" stands for "subsidiary" and refers to the pre-merger UA assets. You will also see "l-UA" (legacy) or "pm-UA" (pre-merger) used in the same way. I use "pm," but it's a matter of personal style and preference.


PM (pre-merger) is arguably the most logical one, and was used during the Delta-Northwest merger (PMDL, PMNW).

S (subsidiary) was used by United-Continental (sUA, sCO).

L (legacy) was used by American-US Airways (L-AA, L-US).

Those were the terms used by the companies for internal communication etc. Anet adopted the three terms largely interchangeably.
 
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Re: United Airlines Parked 757's

Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:37 am

CarlosSi wrote:
Many of their transcon needs can be met with them widebodies or other 757s anyways.

A lot of the UA 757 fleet is flying cargo now. Has been for sometime. Can't say the same will happen to the PS birds.

Side note, I wish they'd at least keep their 757-300s past 2025. Not like they are particularly old and they're going to be keeping their overvalued 767s longer (at least those ultra-J ones), so the type isn't becoming overly niche.

Last I checked PS was supposed to be replaced with 737-10s. Best of luck to that airplane.

The -300s will probably be the last of the 757s to go for the reasons you stated. The 757 fleet did get a little more life IMO since the 763s are getting brand new interiors, but I can see the while 757 fleet go before the 767 at the end of they day, RR engines and such. Pretty odd from a technical standpoint that 2 fleets that are closely related (1 if you lump them as the 756 like the planets) have all 3 available engine types.
 
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Mon Nov 08, 2021 1:44 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
The -300s will probably be the last of the 757s to go for the reasons you stated. The 757 fleet did get a little more life IMO since the 763s are getting brand new interiors, but I can see the while 757 fleet go before the 767 at the end of they day, RR engines and such.


How does UA segregate its 752/753/763/764 pilot groups?

IMHO, if the 757/76x are gone, UA won't long keep twenty-one 753s with a distinct pilot group. Pilot scheduling and frame scheduling inefficiencies grow large, and 753 op costs aren't going to look great compared to MAX10s.
 
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Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:09 pm

A little side note:

UA had 100 757s in their fleet but only 2 or 3 of them had two jump seats up front. The rest only had one.. When UA ordered the 757-200 the order was for 50 firm with 50 options (IIRC). Boeing begins production on them and the first couple had the extra jump sear. The story going around the halls of EXO were that Stephen Wolfe the CEO, found out about the extra seat, which cost $100,000 extra, and ordered them to not be installed in remaining planes. Supposedly he said he would not pay $100,000 for the extra seat just so the pilots could ccommute to and from work for free.
 
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Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:20 pm

wjcandee wrote:

Pretty-sure that the Widget airline would give them a hard look if UA parked them.


I'm pretty sure UA would part them out or scrap them before the "Widget airline" had a chance to get them and use them against them.
 
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Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:49 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
The -300s will probably be the last of the 757s to go for the reasons you stated. The 757 fleet did get a little more life IMO since the 763s are getting brand new interiors, but I can see the while 757 fleet go before the 767 at the end of they day, RR engines and such.


How does UA segregate its 752/753/763/764 pilot groups?

IMHO, if the 757/76x are gone, UA won't long keep twenty-one 753s with a distinct pilot group. Pilot scheduling and frame scheduling inefficiencies grow large, and 753 op costs aren't going to look great compared to MAX10s.


They don’t. All 757/767 pilots can fly all 757/767 aircraft (the caveat being the 767-400 has certain currency issues due to the different screens)
 
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Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:57 pm

CAL wrote:
wjcandee wrote:

Pretty-sure that the Widget airline would give them a hard look if UA parked them.


I'm pretty sure UA would part them out or scrap them before the "Widget airline" had a chance to get them and use them against them.


If it's an asset you don't want, that isn't profitable for you to operate, and still has value, AND there are myriad airframe alternatives for your competitor, seems silly to view an asset disposition as "using it against you" and breaking up an airframe that has market value. Southwest didn't feel that way about the 717s, for example. Would Condor feel that way when/if its 753s go off-lease? It's possible, I guess, but seems silly. Businesspeople are supposed to be more bloodless than that. (But I agree that often they aren't.)
 
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Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:27 pm

The 300 is profitable and won’t be going anywhere for the time being. By the time they get done with them DL would want nothing to do with them anyway.

UA isn’t going to hold frames hostage just to keep another airline from getting them, especially when UA has said time and time again how short they are on the domestic narrowbody front.
 
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Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:12 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
The -300s will probably be the last of the 757s to go for the reasons you stated. The 757 fleet did get a little more life IMO since the 763s are getting brand new interiors, but I can see the while 757 fleet go before the 767 at the end of they day, RR engines and such.


How does UA segregate its 752/753/763/764 pilot groups?

IMHO, if the 757/76x are gone, UA won't long keep twenty-one 753s with a distinct pilot group. Pilot scheduling and frame scheduling inefficiencies grow large, and 753 op costs aren't going to look great compared to MAX10s.

It's all one group.
 
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Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:19 pm

Snapped this United 757 yesterday at PBI

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