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BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:12 am

Just moments ago, in celebration of the US opening to travellers from the UK, BA1 and VS3 - both to JFK, flew a simultaneous departure from LHRs 27s to celebrate the US opening to travellers.

Can’t wait to see if any good pictures or video footage surface. Great show of unity from the UKs two intercontinental flag carriers in celebrating another milestone of the path out of the pandemic.

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BA and VS race to JFK this morning

Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:13 am

This morning BA1 and VS3 took off simultaneously to celebrate the USA opening to vaccinated travelers. You can follow the flights below

https://www.flightradar24.com/VIR3N/29c9a318
https://www.flightradar24.com/BAW1/29c99de1

Will be interesting to see which one lands first as they are currently taking different paths.
 
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:17 am

Opus99 wrote:


This one from the second Twitter link is just what I was hoping to see. Stunning shot.

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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:29 am

BIG JET TV have a video up and a short interview with the crew. Was hoping we would see something like this.

https://youtu.be/GetRjkdz_4c
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:32 am

wow!
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:04 pm

Under two hours from JFK arrival now. Looks like Speedbird took a more northerly track. Both are at FL380 over the Gulf of St. Lawrence.

I wonder if they have two different cost indexes they're using and to what extent that might play a role in the timing of this. It would be cool if the "winner" went into a holding pattern over Long Island so they could parallel land together, but that's probably harder to pull off than a parallel takeoff.
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:34 pm

I wonder the difference in flight paths etc, is it only to do with a difference in cost index, or the use of different planning software? At the moment the VS is about 10 mins ahead of the BA.
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:59 pm

I very much doubt the two companies coordinated on route and cost index. The PR stunt was at LHR. Everything else is business as usual.

Edit:

BAW1 filed route: HOIST TAFFY ENE PARCH3

VIR3 filed route: TUDEP TOPPS ENE PARCH3

So the difference was in the first two waypoints, with BA going further north than VS, hence the difference.
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 2:59 pm

Personally I thought the A380 movements were much more newsworthy than the simultaneous flights to the U.S.
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:00 pm

This is very cool. VS operates the A350-1000 into JFK regularly, and has since the pandemic. BA does not. This is a one off for BA which is now all 777 to JFK (77W and 772).
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:05 pm

musapapaya wrote:
I wonder the difference in flight paths etc, is it only to do with a difference in cost index, or the use of different planning software? At the moment the VS is about 10 mins ahead of the BA.

Different companies, different dispatchers. Obviously they can’t both occupy the same track at the same time so something had to give, either a different track or same track-different altitude, or same track but in trail.
 
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:30 pm

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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:32 pm

Sky News also have a good video which can be viewed here :

Double take off for double jabbed to USA

https://news.sky.com/video/share-12463863
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:44 pm

Bar a go around looks like VS3 will win by about 9 minutes
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:46 pm

2eng2efficient wrote:
I very much doubt the two companies coordinated on route and cost index. The PR stunt was at LHR. Everything else is business as usual.

Edit:

BAW1 filed route: HOIST TAFFY ENE PARCH3

VIR3 filed route: TUDEP TOPPS ENE PARCH3

So the difference was in the first two waypoints, with BA going further north than VS, hence the difference.


That is only 1/3 of the flightplan!

The waypoints you pulled from FlightAware are only those in FAA Airspace (the source of FlightAware flightplan data in this case).

In any case, each flew on a different route to their respective oceanic entry point and subsequently on a different NAT Track.

BA plans their flights utilizing Lufthansa Systems LIDO 4D.
VS utilizes Sabre FPM (formerly known as F:WZ).

Also worth noting that most of the flying across the NAT is still utilizing the Mach Number technique. Each flight may have planned and/or been cleared by Shanwick Oceanic at a different Mach speed for their oceanic crossing.

Multiple factors at play here.
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Re: BA and VS race to JFK this morning

Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:49 pm

bevan7 wrote:
This morning BA1 and VS3 took off simultaneously to celebrate the USA opening to vaccinated travelers. You can follow the flights below

https://www.flightradar24.com/VIR3N/29c9a318
https://www.flightradar24.com/BAW1/29c99de1

Will be interesting to see which one lands first as they are currently taking different paths.


VS3 is on final approach. BA1 is about 10 minutes behind.
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:52 pm

2eng2efficient wrote:
I very much doubt the two companies coordinated on route and cost index. The PR stunt was at LHR. Everything else is business as usual.

Edit:

BAW1 filed route: HOIST TAFFY ENE PARCH3

VIR3 filed route: TUDEP TOPPS ENE PARCH3

So the difference was in the first two waypoints, with BA going further north than VS, hence the difference.

They'd have to co-ordinate who flew which SID I think, you can't depart the way they did at the same time and not do so. They both couldn't be filed out via Compton on 134.125MHz one would have to go North via 119.780MHz? Otherwise they don't have spacing.

It's interesting but it's not as if both airlines didn't operate multiple LHR-JFK yesterday and every day beforehand for months.
 
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Re: BA and VS race to JFK this morning

Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:55 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
bevan7 wrote:
This morning BA1 and VS3 took off simultaneously to celebrate the USA opening to vaccinated travelers. You can follow the flights below

https://www.flightradar24.com/VIR3N/29c9a318
https://www.flightradar24.com/BAW1/29c99de1

Will be interesting to see which one lands first as they are currently taking different paths.


VS3 is on final approach. BA1 is about 10 minutes behind.



Well the VS plane did lift off a few seconds earlier than BA.
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 6:36 pm

Qantas744er wrote:
2eng2efficient wrote:
I very much doubt the two companies coordinated on route and cost index. The PR stunt was at LHR. Everything else is business as usual.

Edit:

BAW1 filed route: HOIST TAFFY ENE PARCH3

VIR3 filed route: TUDEP TOPPS ENE PARCH3

So the difference was in the first two waypoints, with BA going further north than VS, hence the difference.


That is only 1/3 of the flightplan!

The waypoints you pulled from FlightAware are only those in FAA Airspace (the source of FlightAware flightplan data in this case).

In any case, each flew on a different route to their respective oceanic entry point and subsequently on a different NAT Track.

BA plans their flights utilizing Lufthansa Systems LIDO 4D.
VS utilizes Sabre FPM (formerly known as F:WZ).

Also worth noting that most of the flying across the NAT is still utilizing the Mach Number technique. Each flight may have planned and/or been cleared by Shanwick Oceanic at a different Mach speed for their oceanic crossing.

Multiple factors at play here.


Thanks, that makes sense. I knew that I was missing the SID (which would have been different at EGLL for the two flights, obviously) but it didn’t occur to me that FlightAware doesn’t have any of the waypoints flown outside of FAA-controlled airspace.
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:54 pm

Video of the simultaneous takeoff from inside VS003

https://twitter.com/i/status/1457753069165420544
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:37 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Video of the simultaneous takeoff from inside VS003

https://twitter.com/i/status/1457753069165420544

Must be pretty impressive to watch as a passenger. Not a very common sight to depart in such a synchronized manner.
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:56 pm

mxaxai wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Video of the simultaneous takeoff from inside VS003

https://twitter.com/i/status/1457753069165420544

Must be pretty impressive to watch as a passenger. Not a very common sight to depart in such a synchronized manner.

Dual parallel takeoffs are nothing unusual.

Happens any given moment of every single day, at the likes of ATL, LAX, etc.

But from LHR, and with media hype? ... THAT'S what made this special! :)
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:04 pm

I thought it was nice gesture. So many bad things divide everyone nowadays. Nice to see two competitors celebrating something good together.
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:19 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Video of the simultaneous takeoff from inside VS003

https://twitter.com/i/status/1457753069165420544

Must be pretty impressive to watch as a passenger. Not a very common sight to depart in such a synchronized manner.

Dual parallel takeoffs are nothing unusual.

Happens any given moment of every single day, at the likes of ATL, LAX, etc.

But from LHR, and with media hype? ... THAT'S what made this special! :)


Or SFO from 1L and 1R. As soon as they're off the ground they turn sharply away from each other. But YES...the significance and coordination today at LHR was special.
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Tue Nov 09, 2021 12:01 am

FiscAutTecGarte wrote:
I thought it was nice gesture. So many bad things divide everyone nowadays. Nice to see two competitors celebrating something good together.


I agree 100% with you. I think it was a nice touch.
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Tue Nov 09, 2021 12:16 am

cschleic wrote:
Or SFO from 1L and 1R. As soon as they're off the ground they turn sharply away from each other. But YES...the significance and coordination today at LHR was special.

Gotta love those: they're SUPPOSED to be staggered, but can't tell you how many times I've seen one catch up to the other, even before the split in climb-out! :lol:
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Tue Nov 09, 2021 2:04 am

Pardon my ignorance, but who was traveling on these US-LHR flights prior to today’s reopening? Was it thru passengers connecting to other countries?
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Tue Nov 09, 2021 2:46 am

Delta066 wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but who was traveling on these US-LHR flights prior to today’s reopening? Was it thru passengers connecting to other countries?


Could be anyone, as long as you have the right access to the countries. I've been to the UK from the US twice this year, though with the easing of restrictions life will get simpler going forward.
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Tue Nov 09, 2021 2:57 am

Delta066 wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but who was traveling on these US-LHR flights prior to today’s reopening? Was it thru passengers connecting to other countries?


Today was about welcoming UK, European, and other foreign travelers from certain countries back to the USA for the first time since the pandemic began. Americans have been able to travel overseas in some cases but it has not been reciprocal--most non-U.S. citizens have not been able to travel here.
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:53 am

That was proper cool. :)
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:00 am

JetBuddy wrote:
That was proper cool. :)


VERY cool! Even my wife was impressed, and she's not an avgeek in the least!
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:48 am

Can anyone name the last time BA and VS collaborated on anything?
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:24 am

max999 wrote:
Can anyone name the last time BA and VS collaborated on anything?

Well, there was this infamous oopsie from 2016... ;)

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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:47 am

UALFAson wrote:
Delta066 wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but who was traveling on these US-LHR flights prior to today’s reopening? Was it thru passengers connecting to other countries?


Today was about welcoming UK, European, and other foreign travelers from certain countries back to the USA for the first time since the pandemic began. Americans have been able to travel overseas in some cases but it has not been reciprocal--most non-U.S. citizens have not been able to travel here.

I thought US is opened for anyone who are vaccinated? My gf is currently in the US to visit her family (we're SE Asian) and she flew there on September.

Anyway, the shot makes the A35K looks very long! Almost looks like a twin A346. If only they kept the "normal" airbus nose, the new nose still looks weird to me haha!
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:37 am

trent768 wrote:
I thought US is opened for anyone who are vaccinated?

There were some exceptions (e.g. vaccinated Canadians) but definitely not "anyone vaccinated."


trent768 wrote:
My gf is currently in the US to visit her family (we're SE Asian) and she flew there on September.

Does she have citizenship though?
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Tue Nov 09, 2021 12:11 pm

trent768 wrote:
UALFAson wrote:
Delta066 wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but who was traveling on these US-LHR flights prior to today’s reopening? Was it thru passengers connecting to other countries?


Today was about welcoming UK, European, and other foreign travelers from certain countries back to the USA for the first time since the pandemic began. Americans have been able to travel overseas in some cases but it has not been reciprocal--most non-U.S. citizens have not been able to travel here.

I thought US is opened for anyone who are vaccinated? My gf is currently in the US to visit her family (we're SE Asian) and she flew there on September.

Anyway, the shot makes the A35K looks very long! Almost looks like a twin A346. If only they kept the "normal" airbus nose, the new nose still looks weird to me haha!


The EU, UK and a number of other countries remained shut to the US market as a result of covid rates until yesterday.
 
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Re: BA and VS A350’s simultaneously depart LHR to celebrate opening of US

Tue Nov 09, 2021 2:15 pm

tonystan wrote:
trent768 wrote:
UALFAson wrote:

Today was about welcoming UK, European, and other foreign travelers from certain countries back to the USA for the first time since the pandemic began. Americans have been able to travel overseas in some cases but it has not been reciprocal--most non-U.S. citizens have not been able to travel here.

I thought US is opened for anyone who are vaccinated? My gf is currently in the US to visit her family (we're SE Asian) and she flew there on September.

Anyway, the shot makes the A35K looks very long! Almost looks like a twin A346. If only they kept the "normal" airbus nose, the new nose still looks weird to me haha!


The EU, UK and a number of other countries remained shut to the US market as a result of covid rates until yesterday.

Ah got it. Thanks!

LAX772LR wrote:
trent768 wrote:
I thought US is opened for anyone who are vaccinated?

There were some exceptions (e.g. vaccinated Canadians) but definitely not "anyone vaccinated."


trent768 wrote:
My gf is currently in the US to visit her family (we're SE Asian) and she flew there on September.

Does she have citizenship though?

Interesting. I somehow thought, of all the people that will be first to allowed back in to the US, it'll be the Canadian.

Nope, she doesn't have US citizenship or anything. She went there on tourist visa and when I said family, I mean her aunt and uncle. She flew with EY from CGK and she said quite a lot of us Indonesian in the pre-clearance queue as well. Even my brother's boss went to the states to attend the NY Fashion Week with no issue whatsoever.

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