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DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:22 am

It was the night before Thanksgiving.... November 24, 1971.....

Northwest Airlines flight 305, a 727-100, was en route from Portland to Seattle when a passenger identified as DB Cooper passed a note to one of the stewardesses setting off one of the greatest aviation mysteries of all times....

 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:43 am

Photo comment: Amazing how oily and dirty PAA engines always seemed in comparison to other US carriers of the period...

DB Cooper comment: I'm still not sure what to think after the HBO special that aired last year. There are compelling stories involving some related individuals and some that were clearly hoaxes. To me the guy who had motive and the FBI has always been kind of mum about is William J. Smith...
 
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Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:02 am

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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:13 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Photo comment: Amazing how oily and dirty PAA engines always seemed in comparison to other US carriers of the period...

DB Cooper comment: I'm still not sure what to think after the HBO special that aired last year. There are compelling stories involving some related individuals and some that were clearly hoaxes. To me the guy who had motive and the FBI has always been kind of mum about is William J. Smith...

Link to this HBO special?
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:23 am

UA444 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Photo comment: Amazing how oily and dirty PAA engines always seemed in comparison to other US carriers of the period...

DB Cooper comment: I'm still not sure what to think after the HBO special that aired last year. There are compelling stories involving some related individuals and some that were clearly hoaxes. To me the guy who had motive and the FBI has always been kind of mum about is William J. Smith...

Link to this HBO special?


https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_my ... _db_cooper
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:37 am

Always enjoy the annual post on one of my favorite topics!

-DBC
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:29 pm

I wonder if he will ever come forward?
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:51 pm

Who is everyones pick for who he is?
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:48 pm

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
I wonder if he will ever come forward?


He is likely dead by now. He was estimated to be mid-forties at the time of the hijacking, so would be mid-nineties today.

It is worth remembering that he didn’t appear to be a proficient paratrooper, and the FBI reasoned he likely died during the fall despite never finding physical evidence.
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:13 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
I wonder if he will ever come forward?


He is likely dead by now. He was estimated to be mid-forties at the time of the hijacking, so would be mid-nineties today.

It is worth remembering that he didn’t appear to be a proficient paratrooper, and the FBI reasoned he likely died during the fall despite never finding physical evidence.


Didn't a kid find a load of soiled bank notes in the suspected jump/landing area around 1980 ?
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:50 pm

Two results from this hijacking/escape were changes so built-in air stairs on planes could never be opened in flight and along with the numerous hijackings to Cuba by armed persons the first passenger and carry on baggage metal screenings on flights out of USA airports.
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:10 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
I wonder if he will ever come forward?


He is likely dead by now. He was estimated to be mid-forties at the time of the hijacking, so would be mid-nineties today.

It is worth remembering that he didn’t appear to be a proficient paratrooper, and the FBI reasoned he likely died during the fall despite never finding physical evidence.


I agree he has probably passed on by now but I think he was better prepared than people give him credit for. But as public as this event was it sure would have made it hard for him to spend that money.
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:27 pm

DBCooper wrote:
Always enjoy the annual post on one of my favorite topics!

-DBC


He was hiding in plain sight all along! :o
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:22 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
I wonder if he will ever come forward?


It is worth remembering that he didn’t appear to be a proficient paratrooper, and the FBI reasoned he likely died during the fall despite never finding physical evidence.


Probably broke Mach 1.0 during the fall and disintegrated :duck: :lol:
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:34 pm

I was told by a shadowy character working in the scrapyards of Tucson that DB was elite special forces on a dare. That’s a good fit with what happened and explains why the money was never spent
 
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:12 pm

cedarjet wrote:
I was told by a shadowy character working in the scrapyards of Tucson that DB was elite special forces on a dare. That’s a good fit with what happened and explains why the money was never spent

Total BS. We all know it was Loki on a dare from Thor. Confirmed by Disney+!
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:20 pm

Nothing to see here.
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:44 pm

DBCoop3r wrote:
Nothing to see here.

Well played :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:20 pm

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ob ... -hill-home

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Master_Outlaw

Of all those suspected in the hijacking, Robert W. Rackstraw, who had Army parachute training during Vietnam and some flight training, also possessed an extensive criminal record that followed him to the grave. At one point he was charged with murder, fled to Iran in the days before the Iranian Revolution and was later arrested in a hanger at the Fullerton airport in Orange County, repainting a stolen aircraft. He was even the subject of a History Channel special in 2016. I recall filmmaker Thomas Colbert was on the late night radio show Coast To Coast Am with George Noory, expressing his frustration that despite a mountain of evidence, the FBI refused to reopen the case.
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:39 pm

To me, the greatest mystery is how that small portion of money - and ONLY that small portion of money - was found embedded in the bank of the river in 1980. Why the h*** would anyone bury a small portion of the marked bills if he had survived the jump? And why bury it in the bank of an ever-changing river?

My favorite theory (and probably the wildest of all time) is that "Cooper" didn't jump - he threw everything out the back, then hid in the bathroom. Once the plane had landed, and the flight crew was removed, Cooper stepped out of his hiding place (theorized as one of the lavatories), and blended in with the agents, getting away but without the money.

Wildly improbable; however, not completely unprovable.

There's nothing the world loves more than a mystery!
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:03 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
To me, the greatest mystery is how that small portion of money - and ONLY that small portion of money - was found embedded in the bank of the river in 1980. Why the h*** would anyone bury a small portion of the marked bills if he had survived the jump? And why bury it in the bank of an ever-changing river?

My favorite theory (and probably the wildest of all time) is that "Cooper" didn't jump - he threw everything out the back, then hid in the bathroom. Once the plane had landed, and the flight crew was removed, Cooper stepped out of his hiding place (theorized as one of the lavatories), and blended in with the agents, getting away but without the money.

Wildly improbable; however, not completely unprovable.

There's nothing the world loves more than a mystery!


My thought is that if he died the parachute was a big enough item to have been found at some point. If he has perished the parachute surely would have remained tangled in the trees long enough to have been sighted. Erosion probably buried the money in the river bank perhaps when he jumped the money actually fell in the river thus being unretrievable by him.
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:31 pm

I firmly believe that Cooper survived the jump. For starters, experts stated that the conditions that Cooper jumped into were no worse than many WWII aircrews jumped into and survived. For Cooper to have had such a meticulous plan (flaps 15 degrees, certain airspeed, chose a 727 due to the ability of the rear door to be opened during flight, etc) he surely would have made sure that he knew how to use a parachute. Finally, a body, two chutes, and $200k in cash likely wouldn't have gone unnoticed with the massive search effort that was launched.

I don't believe that we'll ever know who Cooper actually was, as other posters have alluded to the fact that he would be nearing 100 today if still alive. Just another mystery in a long saga of stories that this industry has given rise to.
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:22 pm

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
I wonder if he will ever come forward?


Nah .. i bet a bear ate him as soon as he landed in the woods.
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:55 am

TriJets wrote:
I firmly believe that Cooper survived the jump. For starters, experts stated that the conditions that Cooper jumped into were no worse than many WWII aircrews jumped into and survived. Finally, a body, two chutes, and $200k in cash likely wouldn't have gone unnoticed with the massive search effort that was launched.

I am afraid that the discovery of banknotes near the river is a bad sign. If he ditched instead of landed did he have any chance of surviving? I mean getting rid of his parachute, heavy clothes and all. Were they trained for something like that?
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:18 pm

TriJets wrote:
I firmly believe that Cooper survived the jump. For starters, experts stated that the conditions that Cooper jumped into were no worse than many WWII aircrews jumped into and survived. For Cooper to have had such a meticulous plan (flaps 15 degrees, certain airspeed, chose a 727 due to the ability of the rear door to be opened during flight, etc) he surely would have made sure that he knew how to use a parachute. Finally, a body, two chutes, and $200k in cash likely wouldn't have gone unnoticed with the massive search effort that was launched.

I don't believe that we'll ever know who Cooper actually was, as other posters have alluded to the fact that he would be nearing 100 today if still alive. Just another mystery in a long saga of stories that this industry has given rise to.


I agree 100% his plan was far too meticulous for him to have failed. The question for me is how could he have used the money with the serial numbers being recorded and the high visibility of the case.
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:09 pm

Here's a pretty decent video on the Norjack case, however the cussing and general tone is quite unprofessional, so be advised
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHSehKtDyoI
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:25 pm

GZM1 wrote:
TriJets wrote:
I firmly believe that Cooper survived the jump. For starters, experts stated that the conditions that Cooper jumped into were no worse than many WWII aircrews jumped into and survived. Finally, a body, two chutes, and $200k in cash likely wouldn't have gone unnoticed with the massive search effort that was launched.

I am afraid that the discovery of banknotes near the river is a bad sign. If he ditched instead of landed did he have any chance of surviving? I mean getting rid of his parachute, heavy clothes and all. Were they trained for something like that?


He may have been if he was one of the most likely suspects. William J. Smith:

https://dbcooperhijack.com/
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:01 pm

Wow, the Cooper sketch is an erie image of Smith, right down to his mouth and eyes.
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:02 pm

Guess "hiding in plain sight" is always possible.
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:08 pm

Clipper73 wrote:
TriJets wrote:
I firmly believe that Cooper survived the jump. For starters, experts stated that the conditions that Cooper jumped into were no worse than many WWII aircrews jumped into and survived. For Cooper to have had such a meticulous plan (flaps 15 degrees, certain airspeed, chose a 727 due to the ability of the rear door to be opened during flight, etc) he surely would have made sure that he knew how to use a parachute. Finally, a body, two chutes, and $200k in cash likely wouldn't have gone unnoticed with the massive search effort that was launched.

I don't believe that we'll ever know who Cooper actually was, as other posters have alluded to the fact that he would be nearing 100 today if still alive. Just another mystery in a long saga of stories that this industry has given rise to.


I agree 100% his plan was far too meticulous for him to have failed. The question for me is how could he have used the money with the serial numbers being recorded and the high visibility of the case.


Never thought about that part. Hmm.
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:09 pm

GZM1 wrote:
TriJets wrote:
I firmly believe that Cooper survived the jump. For starters, experts stated that the conditions that Cooper jumped into were no worse than many WWII aircrews jumped into and survived. Finally, a body, two chutes, and $200k in cash likely wouldn't have gone unnoticed with the massive search effort that was launched.

I am afraid that the discovery of banknotes near the river is a bad sign. If he ditched instead of landed did he have any chance of surviving? I mean getting rid of his parachute, heavy clothes and all. Were they trained for something like that?


If he landed in the river at that time of year he would have been very bad off and IMO would not have survived. However, my question is why did they only find a few thousand dollars of the $200k he leapt out with?
 
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Re: DB Cooper - 50 Years Ago Tonight

Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:30 pm

I think this Youtube video gives the best description of the whole DB Cooper story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbUjuwhQPKs&t=2s

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