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jubaexpress
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MP alleges Brexit resulted in a change in 'minimum mist altittude' in UK

Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:52 am

A (rather outspoken....) Scottish MP tweeted that Brexit has resulted in a flight being unable to land at Barra airstrip as UK-based airlines no longer have access to 'superior EU navigation and satellite guidance' resulting in planes being unable to land in mist at lower altitutdes.

What navigation strengths do the EU possess unavailable to other airlines? Has this actually changed the minimum 'mist' altitude in which planes can land?

https://twitter.com/AngusMacNeilSNP/status/1461351776012013576
 
factsonly
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Re: MP alleges Brexit resulted in a change in 'minimum mist altittude' in UK

Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:58 am

jubaexpress wrote:
A (rather outspoken....) Scottish MP tweeted that Brexit has resulted in a flight being unable to land at Barra airstrip as UK-based airlines no longer have access to 'superior EU navigation and satellite guidance' resulting in planes being unable to land in mist at lower altitutdes.

What navigation strengths do the EU possess unavailable to other airlines? Has this actually changed the minimum 'mist' altitude in which planes can land?




Actually, it is even worse than your outspoken MP has stated:

The UK has left EGNOS and the UK can no longer use the European - Safety of Life (SoL) signal.

The EGNOS Safety of Life (SoL) Service is provided openly and is freely accessible without any direct charge. It is tailored to safety-critical transport applications in various domains, in particular, the service is compliant with the aviation requirements for Approaches with Vertical Guidance (APV-I) and Category I precision approaches1, as defined by ICAO in Annex 10 [RD-1].

The sad thing is the signal remains freely available in the UK, but no one can use it legally.

https://egnos-user-support.essp-sas.eu/ ... _force.pdf
 
jubaexpress
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Re: MP alleges Brexit resulted in a change in 'minimum mist altittude' in UK

Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:17 pm

factsonly wrote:
jubaexpress wrote:
A (rather outspoken....) Scottish MP tweeted that Brexit has resulted in a flight being unable to land at Barra airstrip as UK-based airlines no longer have access to 'superior EU navigation and satellite guidance' resulting in planes being unable to land in mist at lower altitutdes.

What navigation strengths do the EU possess unavailable to other airlines? Has this actually changed the minimum 'mist' altitude in which planes can land?




Actually, it is even worse than your outspoken MP has stated:

The UK has left EGNOS and the UK can no longer use the European - Safety of Life (SoL) signal.

The EGNOS Safety of Life (SoL) Service is provided openly and is freely accessible without any direct charge. It is tailored to safety-critical transport applications in various domains, in particular, the service is compliant with the aviation requirements for Approaches with Vertical Guidance (APV-I) and Category I precision approaches1, as defined by ICAO in Annex 10 [RD-1].

The sad thing is the signal remains freely available in the UK, but no one can use it legally.

https://egnos-user-support.essp-sas.eu/ ... _force.pdf


Interesting, thanks. Though as a point of order, not my MP! Not sure I would pretend to understand all of the technical implications. However, to be clear this would apply to cases like Barra which is a non-tower airport?
 
WayexTDI
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Re: MP alleges Brexit resulted in a change in 'minimum mist altittude' in UK

Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:21 pm

factsonly wrote:
jubaexpress wrote:
A (rather outspoken....) Scottish MP tweeted that Brexit has resulted in a flight being unable to land at Barra airstrip as UK-based airlines no longer have access to 'superior EU navigation and satellite guidance' resulting in planes being unable to land in mist at lower altitutdes.

What navigation strengths do the EU possess unavailable to other airlines? Has this actually changed the minimum 'mist' altitude in which planes can land?




Actually, it is even worse than your outspoken MP has stated:

The UK has left EGNOS and the UK can no longer use the European - Safety of Life (SoL) signal.

The EGNOS Safety of Life (SoL) Service is provided openly and is freely accessible without any direct charge. It is tailored to safety-critical transport applications in various domains, in particular, the service is compliant with the aviation requirements for Approaches with Vertical Guidance (APV-I) and Category I precision approaches1, as defined by ICAO in Annex 10 [RD-1].

The sad thing is the signal remains freely available in the UK, but no one can use it legally.

https://egnos-user-support.essp-sas.eu/ ... _force.pdf

That's even worse since it shows it's a 100% political thing and not bound by money or reciprocity.
 
PSAatSAN4Ever
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Re: MP alleges Brexit resulted in a change in 'minimum mist altittude' in UK

Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:43 pm

Time for Scotland to revisit its independence quest so it can rejoin the EU?

No politics, I agree; however, is this an isolated case of unintended consequences? Or are there other examples?

Sticking to aviation, what does this mean for Bara? Will the UK begin paying for usage of such services, or will Bara simply be left to its own devices?

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