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DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread

Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:10 am

Decided after being awhile in the air cargo (non Amazon/DHL) to make this thread for all the dc-8 lovers to watch those one that started it all to wain away. Here’s what I could find that’s still alive:

Trans air cargo service:

9Q-CJL DC-8-62H(F)

9S-AJG DC-8-62H(F)

9S-AJO DC-8-73CF

Skybus Jet Cargo:

OB-2059-P DC-8-73CF

OB-2158-P (Reg incorrect?) DC-8-73CF

Samaritans Purse:

N782SP DC-8-72CF

NASA:

N817NA DC-8-72



Possible revival of N865F, but I’m getting conflicting reports if it’s going to be either a museum piece or going back into Freighter operations. Info here: https://youtu.be/MG1fHBXzLuA https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9008834
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Re: DC-8 retirement and fleet tracking thread 2021 (year 1)

Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:55 am

Thanks for compiling this list. Hopefully some movements of these aircraft can be posted here.
 
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Re: DC-8 retirement and fleet tracking thread 2021 (year 1)

Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:55 am

What has happened to 9T-TCN, the Congolese DC-8-50? They spent all that time, money and effort repainting her and making her airworthy, but it seems to have disappeared.
 
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Re: DC-8 retirement and fleet tracking thread 2021 (year 1)

Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:32 am

crownvic wrote:
What has happened to 9T-TCN, the Congolese DC-8-50? They spent all that time, money and effort repainting her and making her airworthy, but it seems to have disappeared.


It’s been stored since 2016. Probably ran out of parts since it’s the last DC 8-50 in the world. https://www.key.aero/article/last-military-dc-8
 
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Re: DC-8 retirement and fleet tracking thread 2021 (year 1)

Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:16 am

Wow there are only 7 still in active service ?!
 
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Re: DC-8 retirement and fleet tracking thread 2021 (year 1)

Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:27 am

Aren’t there one or two -72s in private hands?
 
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Re: DC-8 retirement and fleet tracking thread 2021 (year 1)

Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:52 am

MileHFL400 wrote:
Wow there are only 7 still in active service ?!


Only? Production ended 49 years ago, im surprised there are still 7 flying.
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:46 am

Your list is quite good. I only have doubts about 9Q-CJL, I don't think it has been flying since 2017, plus IF it were flying it should have a new 9S- Congolese registration by now. So if that's a confirmed wfu it makes only 6 flying.
 
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Re: DC-8 retirement and fleet tracking thread 2021 (year 1)

Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:41 am

UA444 wrote:
Aren’t there one or two -72s in private hands?

If you're thinking of -62H VP-BHM last I read it's been stored at ARN for years now. Presumably non-airworthy by now.
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:19 pm

I rode jump seat (DAY-DFW) on 9S-AJO (DC-8-73CF) back in the mid 1980's when it was with Emory Worldwide as N961R. It was operated by Rosenbaum Aviation for Emory. Those were some great times early in my aviation career. It's a sad reality these great old birds are going away.
 
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Re: DC-8 retirement and fleet tracking thread 2021 (year 1)

Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:21 pm

Cardude2 wrote:
crownvic wrote:
What has happened to 9T-TCN, the Congolese DC-8-50? They spent all that time, money and effort repainting her and making her airworthy, but it seems to have disappeared.


It’s been stored since 2016. Probably ran out of parts since it’s the last DC 8-50 in the world. https://www.key.aero/article/last-military-dc-8


I believe this is the Iceland Air DC-8-55 N916R I saw in Keflavik August 13 1985. It was going to JFK. I was on N917R DC-8-71 going to ORD. The-55 outlived, and outflew the -71 by 10 years or so. Amazing.
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:23 pm

Cardude2 wrote:
Decided after being awhile in the air cargo (non Amazon/DHL) to make this thread for all the dc-8 lovers to watch those one that started it all to wain away. Here’s what I could find that’s still alive:

Trans air cargo service:

9Q-CJL DC-8-62H(F)

9S-AJG DC-8-62H(F)

9S-AJO DC-8-73CF

Skybus Jet Cargo:

OB-2059-P DC-8-73CF

OB-2158-P (Reg incorrect?) DC-8-73CF

Samaritans Purse:

N782SP DC-8-72CF

NASA:

N817NA DC-8-72



Possible revival of N865F, but I’m getting conflicting reports if it’s going to be either a museum piece or going back into Freighter operations. Info here: https://youtu.be/MG1fHBXzLuA https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9008834


By chance could you make a list of surviving civilian 707 as well? Please.
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:29 pm

I see two on the list are -62s. Does that mean they still have the original engines? I would have expected that any still in service would have been converted to CFMs.
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:13 pm

SEPilot wrote:
I see two on the list are -62s. Does that mean they still have the original engines? I would have expected that any still in service would have been converted to CFMs.


Apparently 9S-AJG still has the original engines as of April 2021, as seen taking off from Johannesburg earlier this year.
https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/10120515
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:56 pm

FlyingViking wrote:
Cardude2 wrote:
Decided after being awhile in the air cargo (non Amazon/DHL) to make this thread for all the dc-8 lovers to watch those one that started it all to wain away. Here’s what I could find that’s still alive:

Trans air cargo service:

9Q-CJL DC-8-62H(F)

9S-AJG DC-8-62H(F)

9S-AJO DC-8-73CF

Skybus Jet Cargo:

OB-2059-P DC-8-73CF

OB-2158-P (Reg incorrect?) DC-8-73CF

Samaritans Purse:

N782SP DC-8-72CF

NASA:

N817NA DC-8-72



Possible revival of N865F, but I’m getting conflicting reports if it’s going to be either a museum piece or going back into Freighter operations. Info here: https://youtu.be/MG1fHBXzLuA https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9008834


By chance could you make a list of surviving civilian 707 as well? Please.

Don’t think there are any 707s outside the military. Even the Congolese head of state bird in the Dreamliner livery has ended her days. Travolta’s won’t make it to Wollongong I don’t think. No freighters for some years now. And Saha ended 707 pax ops April 2013.
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:02 pm

I know N865F is getting repaired over at KYIP. The owner is trying to get it ferried down to Florida or Osocoda for final repairs. I doubt it will ever leave though.
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:16 pm

Afaik, I think that N805SJ is painted in the normal colors and has engines, so, not holding my breath, it could realistically have a chance of coming back.
Image
And I'm kinda surprised this hasn't been discussed already, but couldn't there be more DC-8s operating 'under the radar' in countries/regions with either A) lack of good radar or B) no strong enough military/government agency for eliminating possible unsavory characters, such as criminals? There was an article written moons ago about how some drug dealers use old depreciated 727s that are barely airworthy and fly them from tip of South America to places within Africa for transport to Europe. Often times, the airstrips they use are in terrible condition, are almost never paved surfaces, and are in remote locations.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-drug ... E820100113

Could DC-8s be used for this purpose? Maybe not, because it for sure does not have the rugged capability of the 727 (or even a DC-9) to operate on these harsh surfaces, but then again, in places like the DR congo, there is more demand for DC-8 parts, so it would be easy to operate, and the 70 series are long and can carry a lot of payload.
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:25 pm

cedarjet wrote:
FlyingViking wrote:
Cardude2 wrote:
Decided after being awhile in the air cargo (non Amazon/DHL) to make this thread for all the dc-8 lovers to watch those one that started it all to wain away. Here’s what I could find that’s still alive:

Trans air cargo service:

9Q-CJL DC-8-62H(F)

9S-AJG DC-8-62H(F)

9S-AJO DC-8-73CF

Skybus Jet Cargo:

OB-2059-P DC-8-73CF

OB-2158-P (Reg incorrect?) DC-8-73CF

Samaritans Purse:

N782SP DC-8-72CF

NASA:

N817NA DC-8-72



Possible revival of N865F, but I’m getting conflicting reports if it’s going to be either a museum piece or going back into Freighter operations. Info here: https://youtu.be/MG1fHBXzLuA https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9008834


By chance could you make a list of surviving civilian 707 as well? Please.

Don’t think there are any 707s outside the military. Even the Congolese head of state bird in the Dreamliner livery has ended her days. Travolta’s won’t make it to Wollongong I don’t think. No freighters for some years now. And Saha ended 707 pax ops April 2013.



Think you’re bang on with the 707’s.
Can’t think of one non-military frame flying.
Bizarrely, the last 3 we’re all ex QF 138B’s.
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:44 pm

TUGMASTER wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
FlyingViking wrote:

By chance could you make a list of surviving civilian 707 as well? Please.

Don’t think there are any 707s outside the military. Even the Congolese head of state bird in the Dreamliner livery has ended her days. Travolta’s won’t make it to Wollongong I don’t think. No freighters for some years now. And Saha ended 707 pax ops April 2013.



Think you’re bang on with the 707’s.
Can’t think of one non-military frame flying.
Bizarrely, the last 3 we’re all ex QF 138B’s.


Omega Air Tanker still operates ex-civilian 707s - although I believe only for military customers. But these certainly have the original JT3D-3B motors on them (although with stage-3 hushkits), so if you see one takeoff you get the full screaming, smoky 707 experience.

http://www.omegaairrefueling.com/faqs/
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:03 am

cedarjet wrote:
FlyingViking wrote:
Cardude2 wrote:
Decided after being awhile in the air cargo (non Amazon/DHL) to make this thread for all the dc-8 lovers to watch those one that started it all to wain away. Here’s what I could find that’s still alive:

Trans air cargo service:

9Q-CJL DC-8-62H(F)

9S-AJG DC-8-62H(F)

9S-AJO DC-8-73CF

Skybus Jet Cargo:

OB-2059-P DC-8-73CF

OB-2158-P (Reg incorrect?) DC-8-73CF

Samaritans Purse:

N782SP DC-8-72CF

NASA:

N817NA DC-8-72



Possible revival of N865F, but I’m getting conflicting reports if it’s going to be either a museum piece or going back into Freighter operations. Info here: https://youtu.be/MG1fHBXzLuA https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9008834


By chance could you make a list of surviving civilian 707 as well? Please.

Don’t think there are any 707s outside the military. Even the Congolese head of state bird in the Dreamliner livery has ended her days. Travolta’s won’t make it to Wollongong I don’t think. No freighters for some years now. And Saha ended 707 pax ops April 2013.


I figured, since I haven't heard anything about the Congolese 707 for a while. Bummer.
 
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Re: DC-8 retirement and fleet tracking thread 2021 (year 1)

Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:00 am

Cardude2 wrote:
crownvic wrote:
What has happened to 9T-TCN, the Congolese DC-8-50? They spent all that time, money and effort repainting her and making her airworthy, but it seems to have disappeared.


It’s been stored since 2016. Probably ran out of parts since it’s the last DC 8-50 in the world. https://www.key.aero/article/last-military-dc-8


Strange...There is an image on Flickr from 12/18 where it looks spotless and airworthy. There is also a video undated from the same era taking off, but who knows if these dates are accurate. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gulfspotter/33238675058
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:36 am

TCN was flying until 2020...heres some clips from Xmas 2018...after that im not sure about it.
Both pilots from Brazil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9wfPMfK1RE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCyUa4wv7as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbft-4tqkgY
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:35 am

TUGMASTER wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
FlyingViking wrote:

By chance could you make a list of surviving civilian 707 as well? Please.

Don’t think there are any 707s outside the military. Even the Congolese head of state bird in the Dreamliner livery has ended her days. Travolta’s won’t make it to Wollongong I don’t think. No freighters for some years now. And Saha ended 707 pax ops April 2013.



Think you’re bang on with the 707’s.
Can’t think of one non-military frame flying.
Bizarrely, the last 3 we’re all ex QF 138B’s.


That is bizarre about the 707-138Bs. They were hardly the youngest 707 frames. Who flew the other two?
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:19 am

Travolta, and the other one was the frame the QF foundation picked up at SEN.
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:32 am

This isn't a 707 fleet tracking forum. I do not have any data on the remaining 707's, but it wasn't that hard for me to start a thread here ;)
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:34 am

AngelsDecay wrote:
TCN was flying until 2020...heres some clips from Xmas 2018...after that im not sure about it.
Both pilots from Brazil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9wfPMfK1RE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCyUa4wv7as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbft-4tqkgY


interesting, but I will need more data
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:16 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
Afaik, I think that N805SJ is painted in the normal colors and has engines, so, not holding my breath, it could realistically have a chance of coming back.
Image
And I'm kinda surprised this hasn't been discussed already, but couldn't there be more DC-8s operating 'under the radar' in countries/regions with either A) lack of good radar or B) no strong enough military/government agency for eliminating possible unsavory characters, such as criminals? There was an article written moons ago about how some drug dealers use old depreciated 727s that are barely airworthy and fly them from tip of South America to places within Africa for transport to Europe. Often times, the airstrips they use are in terrible condition, are almost never paved surfaces, and are in remote locations.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-drug ... E820100113

Could DC-8s be used for this purpose? Maybe not, because it for sure does not have the rugged capability of the 727 (or even a DC-9) to operate on these harsh surfaces, but then again, in places like the DR congo, there is more demand for DC-8 parts, so it would be easy to operate, and the 70 series are long and can carry a lot of payload.

I like your way of thinking but it's impossible. The fates of all DC-8s are being monitored with the help of photographers and spotters and loged on websites like this, airlinerlist, planespotters, atdb and you name it. There are hardly any DC-8 candidates for drugs/rogue flying, almost all others are confirmed scrapped, crashed or stored somewhere. Just to proof my point I found a few DC-8s which could theoretically do something like that. For instance at Ras-al-Khaimah there is an ex Johnsons Air DC-8-63 which might be near airworthy. Photography there is strictly forbidden. In theory it could be used for instance to help Taliban or export heroin from Afghanistan. But then there are still spotters travelling thru RKT and noticing the aircraft having been moved from the original parking spot or picking up sounds or signals even if it only flies at night. The use of 727s like this is also exaggerated, perhaps one or two ended in Africa or used around Colombia like that, and that was at the time there were hundreds stored and available for little more than scrap value.
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:51 pm

What's a CF versus an F? The DC-8 62H started out as passenger I presume.
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:15 am

AngelsDecay wrote:
TCN was flying until 2020...heres some clips from Xmas 2018...after that im not sure about it.
Both pilots from Brazil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9wfPMfK1RE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCyUa4wv7as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbft-4tqkgY


Thanks for clarifying. I thought it was 2020, but I had no proof. As we all know, on-line dates are never 100% guaranteed.
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:49 am

DenverTed wrote:
What's a CF versus an F? The DC-8 62H started out as passenger I presume.


Just guessing:
CF - Converted Freighter
F - Freighter
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:36 am

USAirKid wrote:
DenverTed wrote:
What's a CF versus an F? The DC-8 62H started out as passenger I presume.


Just guessing:
CF - Converted Freighter
F - Freighter


These are logical deductions but here's the skinny.

Douglas nomenclature was:
no letter = passenger
AF = all cargo, full freighter, not set up to carry passengers.
CF = convertible freighter

Both the AF and CF had the same cargo door. Here's a picture of the interior of a CF in pax configuration: http://www.seaboardairlines.org/aircraft/dc8-63_int.htm

The DC9 had a convertible freighter option as well. I flew on one on TWA, in pax config with the cargo door by then deactivated. A couple of rows adjacent to the cargo door had no windows.
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:53 am

wjcandee wrote:
Both the AF and CF had the same cargo door. Here's a picture of the interior of a CF in pax configuration: http://www.seaboardairlines.org/aircraft/dc8-63_int.htm.


DAMN, the DC8-63 is LOOOOONG.. I just looked it up and its just about the size of a 757-300. (The DC8 is 9ish inches longer.)
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:03 pm

wjcandee wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
DenverTed wrote:
What's a CF versus an F? The DC-8 62H started out as passenger I presume.


Just guessing:
CF - Converted Freighter
F - Freighter


These are logical deductions but here's the skinny.

Douglas nomenclature was:
no letter = passenger
AF = all cargo, full freighter, not set up to carry passengers.
CF = convertible freighter

Both the AF and CF had the same cargo door. Here's a picture of the interior of a CF in pax configuration: http://www.seaboardairlines.org/aircraft/dc8-63_int.htm

The DC9 had a convertible freighter option as well. I flew on one on TWA, in pax config with the cargo door by then deactivated. A couple of rows adjacent to the cargo door had no windows.


I think that's right since the controversial samaritans purse dc8 is a combi https://www.samaritanspurse.org/media/fact-sheet-dc8/
 
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Re: DC-8 Retirement and Fleet Tracking Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:34 pm

SEPilot wrote:
I see two on the list are -62s. Does that mean they still have the original engines?


Yes. The -7x is the CFM engine and aerodynamic upgrades, number for number (i.e. -61 becomes -71, etc.). Total upgraded for all 3 series was 110, I think.

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