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Saudia is in advanced talks with both OEMS. What do we think will be the make up of this order?
I’m going with additional 787-9s ans 787-10s.
Thoughts?
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Re: Saudia 2022 Wide-body Order: 787,777X,A350
787 a clear front-runner, I'd expect some 777Xs as well, but maybe fewer than the number of 77Ws in their fleet. Not sure what the A350 would offer to Saudia that 787s can't.
Shame not to see the A330neo in the running.
Shame not to see the A330neo in the running.
Re: Saudia 2022 Wide-body Order: 787,777X,A350
MrHMSH wrote:787 a clear front-runner, I'd expect some 777Xs as well, but maybe fewer than the number of 77Ws in their fleet. Not sure what the A350 would offer to Saudia that 787s can't.
Shame not to see the A330neo in the running.
Yeah I think that makes sense
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Re: Saudia 2022 Wide-body Order: 787,777X,A350
The costings of a 777X order were done by my team 5 years ago. Just been sitting waiting for approval on the desk of the MOF all this time.
Don't rule out a 350 order either.
All depends on the politics higher up.
Don't rule out a 350 order either.
All depends on the politics higher up.
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I do see 787/777X getting orders. Saudia can fill those 777Xs, especially during religious events, and just the largest plane by the American manufacturer (that needs orders) seems to weigh in favor of pressure to order the aircraft. I'm not sure about the A350 - I wouldn't rule it out - but Saudia has placed all of its narrowbody orders with Airbus, including flyadeal, so I'm not sure the political pressure will be there for the A350.
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Is this order for Saudia?
There was some news going around of the royal family setting up another state owned airline in competition with Saudia?
There was some news going around of the royal family setting up another state owned airline in competition with Saudia?
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Re: Saudia 2022 Wide-body Order: 787,777X,A350
Freighters may skew this one way or the other. From the OP link:
"The discussions with Airbus and Boeing also includes freighters such as the A350 freighter version and 777X freighter variant, Mr Koshy said."
"The discussions with Airbus and Boeing also includes freighters such as the A350 freighter version and 777X freighter variant, Mr Koshy said."
Re: Saudia 2022 Wide-body Order: 787,777X,A350
They are planning a fleet of 250; which could easily support a split between A350, 787 and 777x. Not sure why you would do that, but it would put it in line with the others in the ME...
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The 777-300ER is the back bone of their fleet and they're a 10 abreast user, 777-9 is a natural successor to it. More 787 to maybe replace their A330 would make sense too.
I don't see the use for A350 tho unless they're going for the A359 to do some longer flights that their 78X can't with a similar capacity.
I don't see the use for A350 tho unless they're going for the A359 to do some longer flights that their 78X can't with a similar capacity.
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Chaostheory wrote:All depends on the politics higher up.
Macron is there on a visit tomorrow…
First head of state to meet MBS since… recent issues…. Quite an unpopular risky move with elections coming soon so the local media in France are predicting that it most be worth an awful lot of contracts….
Re: Saudia 2022 Wide-body Order: 787,777X,A350
I don't really see how anything other than the 787-10 would make sense for them, surely it has a place in their future fleet. I hope they don't get A350s, but that's just a personal opinion.
Why would they though? Saudia has had two 747-8 freighters mothballed for the past two years. If they can't make money with them during the biggest airfreight bonanza in history, how will they make money with something expensive and new?
To be clear I'm not arguing with you but rather the notion of what the CEO is saying.
JerseyFlyer wrote:Freighters may skew this one way or the other. From the OP link:
"The discussions with Airbus and Boeing also includes freighters such as the A350 freighter version and 777X freighter variant, Mr Koshy said."
Why would they though? Saudia has had two 747-8 freighters mothballed for the past two years. If they can't make money with them during the biggest airfreight bonanza in history, how will they make money with something expensive and new?
To be clear I'm not arguing with you but rather the notion of what the CEO is saying.
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Aseem747 wrote:The 777-300ER is the back bone of their fleet and they're a 10 abreast user, 777-9 is a natural successor to it. More 787 to maybe replace their A330 would make sense too.
I agree there. They're also a 747/777 Cargo user so I can see Saudia making a substantial 777X order covering both passenger and cargo fleets.
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zkojq wrote:I don't really see how anything other than the 787-10 would make sense for them, surely it has a place in their future fleet. I hope they don't get A350s, but that's just a personal opinion.JerseyFlyer wrote:Freighters may skew this one way or the other. From the OP link:
"The discussions with Airbus and Boeing also includes freighters such as the A350 freighter version and 777X freighter variant, Mr Koshy said."
Why would they though? Saudia has had two 747-8 freighters mothballed for the past two years. If they can't make money with them during the biggest airfreight bonanza in history, how will they make money with something expensive and new?
To be clear I'm not arguing with you but rather the notion of what the CEO is saying.
I think the -10 is definitely in that mix. Especially for flights to Europe and Asia where you don’t need the legs of the -9 and can still carry more load.
I won’t be shocked to see the X though
Re: Saudia 2022 Wide-body Order: 787,777X,A350
People keep ignoring that they have 38 A330s which is also a backbone in their fleet so Airbus may cut a good deal here, too.
Re: Saudia 2022 Wide-body Order: 787,777X,A350
My prediction:
- More 787-9s and -10s for thiner long haul routes
- A350s to replace 77Ws for dense routes to Sub-continent, Manilas, London
- A330Neos for the regional fleet
- More 787-9s and -10s for thiner long haul routes
- A350s to replace 77Ws for dense routes to Sub-continent, Manilas, London
- A330Neos for the regional fleet
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A330Inter wrote:My prediction:
- More 787-9s and -10s for thiner long haul routes
- A350s to replace 77Ws for dense routes to Sub-continent, Manilas, London
- A330Neos for the regional fleet
330Neos are not part of the aircraft in question according to the CEO
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For political reasons I see a split order.. but will it be 777X/A350 or A350/787..
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MrHMSH wrote:Shame not to see the A330neo in the running.
I agree, it keeps getting eliminated in the early rounds, and I'm not sure why. It is more than adequate for "regional" use, and in this case no problem with EU, Africa, Asia, Oceana, given where Saudi is positioned. Maybe it is the predictive maintenance stuff that is built into the newer frames that makes the difference?
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Revelation wrote:MrHMSH wrote:Shame not to see the A330neo in the running.
I agree, it keeps getting eliminated in the early rounds, and I'm not sure why. It is more than adequate for "regional" use, and in this case no problem with EU, Africa, Asia, Oceana, given where Saudi is positioned. Maybe it is the predictive maintenance stuff that is built into the newer frames that makes the difference?
I think between the 787 and 350. There’s nothing you can’t do. Regional? You have the -10 with probably the best economics you can find. You want small and relatively easy to fill you have the -8 you want range with good payload you have the -9 you want range with even better payload you have the A359 you want even more payload than that you have the 1000 and yet even more payload you have the X. So I mean yeah. 330NEO great aircraft as it is. It’s USP is it’s selling price and the other aircraft seem to be able to get over that hurdle
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Revelation wrote:MrHMSH wrote:Shame not to see the A330neo in the running.
I agree, it keeps getting eliminated in the early rounds, and I'm not sure why. It is more than adequate for "regional" use, and in this case no problem with EU, Africa, Asia, Oceana, given where Saudi is positioned. Maybe it is the predictive maintenance stuff that is built into the newer frames that makes the difference?
Only defence I can offer is that Saudia has a lot of pretty new (regional) A333s (over half are under 5 years old). They seem to be used on flights under 5 hours, where (I believe) the difference between the neo and ceo is small.
I don't know anything about predictive maintenance on neos vs ceos, so can't speculate.
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Is Saudia's intl network that big??
How many intl destinations do they have?
How many intl destinations do they have?
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ojjunior wrote:Is Saudia's intl network that big??
How many intl destinations do they have?
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=saudia+destinations
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JUANTRIPPEJR wrote:ojjunior wrote:Is Saudia's intl network that big??
How many intl destinations do they have?
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=saudia+destinations
Wow! What a clever tool or program or app or whatever it is.
Re: Saudia 2022 Wide-body Order: 787,777X,A350
HZ-HM1 was down in TLS last week ... coincidence I wonder? Makes me think some high end talks went on with Airbus down there.
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EISPP wrote:HZ-HM1 was down in TLS last week ... coincidence I wonder? Makes me think some high end talks went on with Airbus down there.
Went for paint
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jsfr wrote:Chaostheory wrote:All depends on the politics higher up.
Macron is there on a visit tomorrow…
First head of state to meet MBS since… recent issues…. Quite an unpopular risky move with elections coming soon so the local media in France are predicting that it most be worth an awful lot of contracts….
According to this weekend's Wall Street Journal, the visit has to do with about 20 billion euros worth of French military contracts announced at the Dubai airshow.
Re: Saudia 2022 Wide-body Order: 787,777X,A350
i traveled wit Saudia many times, their fleet needs to retire very old aircraft, the 777X and 787 is a good idea 
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MrHMSH wrote:787 a clear front-runner, I'd expect some 777Xs as well, but maybe fewer than the number of 77Ws in their fleet. Not sure what the A350 would offer to Saudia that 787s can't.
Shame not to see the A330neo in the running.
They only recently took a bunch of A330 regional. They quite likely don't need the Neo yet.
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