Flight is year around according to Mayor

dannynoble wrote:

i love doing international flights from odd ball cities. that is why i hope the UA EWR to TFS flight does good. maybe Delta will start their own (i am skymiles). i would definitely travel from Dallas to st louis to connect to this flight on LH. we all know hubs can support international flights but some airports area PITA to navigate. if enough people support odd ball cities that get international routes will make connecting much easier. even thought i would have to claim my bags and go thru security again. i think it would be much easier to connect in STL to this flight than say at LAX or JFK.

You wont be connecting from DFW to STL for this flight. Sorry. And not sure why STL would be considered and odd ball city. The city is the 20th largest in the US.

istria87 wrote:

PhilMcCrackin wrote:

"Giant tourism market"?

C'mon now, let's be realistic, no one is flying from Germany or Europe in general to visit St. Louis for tourism purposes.

It's the other way around. You're right, not many are coming to St Louis for tourism, but many from St Louis are going to Germany and Europe in general. I have a travel agency and we could easily fill up an entire plane no problem.

Exactly but I'm not sure I'd use the term giant in either direction. People would be surprised where Germans go on vacation. They are kinda weird They do like Americana and stuff like that. STL could easily be used to combine visits to Memphis, Nashville, and Louisville.

airbazar wrote:

istria87 wrote:

PhilMcCrackin wrote:

"Giant tourism market"?

C'mon now, let's be realistic, no one is flying from Germany or Europe in general to visit St. Louis for tourism purposes.

It's the other way around. You're right, not many are coming to St Louis for tourism, but many from St Louis are going to Germany and Europe in general. I have a travel agency and we could easily fill up an entire plane no problem.

Exactly but I'm not sure I'd use the term giant in either direction. People would be surprised where Germans go on vacation. They are kinda weird They do like Americana and stuff like that. STL could easily be used to combine visits to Memphis, Nashville, and Louisville.

Looking at pricing, I don't think vacationers will be on this flight in either direction

Schedule :
operating Sundays / Wednesdays / Fridays starting June 1st 2022

LH 448 FRA-STL 10:45am - 1:45p
LH 449 STL-FRA 3:45p - 7:45a (next day)

Operated by A-330-300

stl07 wrote:

airbazar wrote:

istria87 wrote:

It's the other way around. You're right, not many are coming to St Louis for tourism, but many from St Louis are going to Germany and Europe in general. I have a travel agency and we could easily fill up an entire plane no problem.

Exactly but I'm not sure I'd use the term giant in either direction. People would be surprised where Germans go on vacation. They are kinda weird They do like Americana and stuff like that. STL could easily be used to combine visits to Memphis, Nashville, and Louisville.

Looking at pricing, I don't think vacationers will be on this flight in either direction

Why? What were you expecting to see? $700 RT fares? The prices are not unreasonable. Prices are in line with AA/UA connections to FRA but in less time and with better times.

TWA302 wrote:

dannynoble wrote:

i love doing international flights from odd ball cities. that is why i hope the UA EWR to TFS flight does good. maybe Delta will start their own (i am skymiles). i would definitely travel from Dallas to st louis to connect to this flight on LH. we all know hubs can support international flights but some airports area PITA to navigate. if enough people support odd ball cities that get international routes will make connecting much easier. even thought i would have to claim my bags and go thru security again. i think it would be much easier to connect in STL to this flight than say at LAX or JFK.

You wont be connecting from DFW to STL for this flight. Sorry. And not sure why STL would be considered and odd ball city. The city is the 20th largest in the US.

fly in from Dallas on another carrier then connect to this flight. so yes i will connect to this flight. not on a same ticket mind you but a connection none the less.

st louis has always been an odd ball city when it comes to international gateways. i used to work for TW in st louis in the 90s and during that time we only had 2 European destinations London and Paris. every other European city went thru JFK. No one has ever thought of St. Louis as an international Gateway. When the fortress airline does not fly international flights from it's main hub then it is an oddball city. that is like Delta not flying to anywhere but London and Pairs from Atlanta.

TWA302 wrote:

stl07 wrote:

airbazar wrote:

Exactly but I'm not sure I'd use the term giant in either direction. People would be surprised where Germans go on vacation. They are kinda weird They do like Americana and stuff like that. STL could easily be used to combine visits to Memphis, Nashville, and Louisville.

Looking at pricing, I don't think vacationers will be on this flight in either direction

Why? What were you expecting to see? $700 RT fares? The prices are not unreasonable. Prices are in line with AA/UA connections to FRA but in less time and with better times.

agree with TWA302. i just did a quick trip from STL to TFS using economy flex and the total was 1491.37. that is really good. cheaper that what i am paying for my trip to tenerife in april 2022

TWA302 wrote:

stl07 wrote:

airbazar wrote:

Exactly but I'm not sure I'd use the term giant in either direction. People would be surprised where Germans go on vacation. They are kinda weird They do like Americana and stuff like that. STL could easily be used to combine visits to Memphis, Nashville, and Louisville.

Looking at pricing, I don't think vacationers will be on this flight in either direction

Why? What were you expecting to see? $700 RT fares? The prices are not unreasonable. Prices are in line with AA/UA connections to FRA but in less time and with better times.

Not surprisingly the fares do take a steep drop in October. Looks like you can do it for between $700-800 RT.

TWA302 wrote:

stl07 wrote:

airbazar wrote:

Exactly but I'm not sure I'd use the term giant in either direction. People would be surprised where Germans go on vacation. They are kinda weird They do like Americana and stuff like that. STL could easily be used to combine visits to Memphis, Nashville, and Louisville.

Looking at pricing, I don't think vacationers will be on this flight in either direction

Why? What were you expecting to see? $700 RT fares? The prices are not unreasonable. Prices are in line with AA/UA connections to FRA but in less time and with better times.

Looks like I was spoiled by WOW

stl07 wrote:

TWA302 wrote:

stl07 wrote:

Looking at pricing, I don't think vacationers will be on this flight in either direction

Why? What were you expecting to see? $700 RT fares? The prices are not unreasonable. Prices are in line with AA/UA connections to FRA but in less time and with better times.

Looks like I was spoiled by WOW

I guess so, lol. That didn't last long.

dannynoble wrote:

TWA302 wrote:

dannynoble wrote:

i love doing international flights from odd ball cities. that is why i hope the UA EWR to TFS flight does good. maybe Delta will start their own (i am skymiles). i would definitely travel from Dallas to st louis to connect to this flight on LH. we all know hubs can support international flights but some airports area PITA to navigate. if enough people support odd ball cities that get international routes will make connecting much easier. even thought i would have to claim my bags and go thru security again. i think it would be much easier to connect in STL to this flight than say at LAX or JFK.

You wont be connecting from DFW to STL for this flight. Sorry. And not sure why STL would be considered and odd ball city. The city is the 20th largest in the US.

fly in from Dallas on another carrier then connect to this flight. so yes i will connect to this flight. not on a same ticket mind you but a connection none the less.

st louis has always been an odd ball city when it comes to international gateways. i used to work for TW in st louis in the 90s and during that time we only had 2 European destinations London and Paris. every other European city went thru JFK. No one has ever thought of St. Louis as an international Gateway. When the fortress airline does not fly international flights from it's main hub then it is an oddball city. that is like Delta not flying to anywhere but London and Pairs from Atlanta.

It's more of an interior US problem than a St. Louis problem. Until very recently, despite being on a par with ORD as far as domestic flying, UA's DEN hub had rather limited transatlantic and transpacific connectivity. It took the DL merger for MSP to go beyond NRT, AMS, and LHR.

TWA302 wrote:

stl07 wrote:

TWA302 wrote:

Why? What were you expecting to see? $700 RT fares? The prices are not unreasonable. Prices are in line with AA/UA connections to FRA but in less time and with better times.

Looks like I was spoiled by WOW

I guess so, lol. That didn't last long.

Keep in mind I moved to LA after so now I'm used to super low prices. My next trip to Europe will be only $400 r/t on a legacy

TWA302 wrote:

stl07 wrote:

TWA302 wrote:

Why? What were you expecting to see? $700 RT fares? The prices are not unreasonable. Prices are in line with AA/UA connections to FRA but in less time and with better times.

Looks like I was spoiled by WOW

I guess so, lol. That didn't last long.

There is a reason they went bankrupt. Haha.

stl07 wrote:

TWA302 wrote:

stl07 wrote:

Looks like I was spoiled by WOW

I guess so, lol. That didn't last long.

Keep in mind I moved to LA after so now I'm used to super low prices. My next trip to Europe will be only $400 r/t on a legacy

Yeah but everything else costs 50x more than it should. Lol. Enjoy!

Off the top of my head I can think of Boeing and Anheuser-Busch/InBev SA/NV with operations in St. Louis. Anheuser was purchased by InBeV, ( which is based in Leuven, Belgium) maybe ten years ago. InBev also has regional headquarters in Bremen, Germany and London among other places.

Cut and pasted, but here a list of companies with a large presence in STL.







“St. Louis features a diversified economy that is home to corporate headquarters and major business divisions across a wide range of industries. Fourteen Fortune 1000 companies (8 of which are in the Fortune 500) are headquartered in the St. Louis metro area.

Leading companies in insurance, manufacturing and financial services are among the Fortune 500, including Centene, Emerson Electric, Edward Jones and Reinsurance Group of America. These and other larger companies play an active role in the St. Louis community through charitable donations, corporate sponsorships, board leadership and outreach to area schools and colleges.

The following are selected, representative large companies in key industries in Greater St. Louis:

Bioscience: Allied Healthcare Products*, Bausch & Lomb, Bayer, bioMerieux, DowDuPont, GlaxoSmithKline, KWS, Mallinckrodt Pharmaceuticals*, Pfizer, MilliporeSigma, Novus International*, Stereotaxis*

Consumer Services & Goods: Amazon, AB In-Bev, Build-A-Bear Workshop*, Belden*, BellRing Brands*, Caleres*, Drury Hotels*, Energizer*, Enterprise Rent-A-Car*, Imo’s Pizza*, Prairie Farms Dairy*, Nestle Purina, Post Holdings*, Proctor & Gamble, Rawlings*, Schnuck Markets*, Spectrum Brands

Energy: Ameren*, Apex Oil*, Arch Coal*, Peabody Energy*, Phillips 66, Spire*

Financial Services: Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield, Bank of America, CitiMortgage, Centene*, Commerce Bank*, Edward Jones*, Enterprise Financial Services*, Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis*, First Bank*, Reinsurance Group of America*, Stifel Financial*, Square, TD Ameritrade, U.S. Bank, Wells Fargo Advisors*

Healthcare: Ascension*, BJC HealthCare*, Delmar Gardens*, Express Scripts, Lutheran Senior Services*, Mercy*, SSM Health*

Information Technology: Amdocs*, AT&T Missouri, Cass Information Systems*, Charter Communications, IBM, MasterCard, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, Perficient*, Refinitiv, Verizon, World Wide Technology*

Manufacturing: American Railcar Industries*, Barry Wehmiller*, Bodine Aluminum, Boeing Defense, Space, & Security, Bunge*, ESCO Technologies*, Leonardo DRS, Emerson*, GKN Aerospace, General Motors, Olin*, True Manufacturing*, U.S. Steel

Transportation and Distribution: Bi-State Development Agency*, Burlington Northern Santa Fe, CSX, Federal Express, Graybar*, Huttig Building Products*, Norfolk Southern, Scott Air Force Base*, Southwest Airlines, Trans States Airlines*, UniGroup*, United Parcel Service, Union Pacific, XTRA Lease*.”

*Headquarters in Greater St. Louis

stl07 wrote:

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:

Seems like a rough time to launch long haul international.

Not when you have a bunch of businesses in your home country that also have operations in the new destination city that are throwing money at you to start a flight during a time when travel is so unpredictable

The subsidy amounts to around $17,000 per round trip. Or 2.5 Business class passengers. What does it cost LH to run a A330 from STL to FRA and back and pay for a station manager and ground staff in STL?

Hope it works.

TWA302 wrote:

stl07 wrote:

TWA302 wrote:

I guess so, lol. That didn't last long.

Keep in mind I moved to LA after so now I'm used to super low prices. My next trip to Europe will be only $400 r/t on a legacy

Yeah but everything else costs 50x more than it should. Lol. Enjoy!

Don't even start about the prices here. I honestly didn't even want to move here but career path wise I really had no choice. I'll take a more expensive flight any day than the prices out here

Congrats on STL getting TATL service back.

Pretty big news on all sides. You have to thank all the parties involves for orchestrating the deal to make this happen. Without the contributions and negotiations of all sides there is no way this would've happened. So now that you have it, there is a bit of a grace period to let this thing develop and hopefully sustain itself. At face value, it sounds fairly similar to how IND was able obtain DL IND-CDG service with a robust financial package/incentives to get the thing off the ground. (then COVID kinda ruined that).

As someone else said, there is a bit of a unique window of opportunity for 2022. TATL is anticipated to be "big" in Summer 2022 with pent-up leisure/VFR demand and a return to more normal business travel across the Atlantic. There are other global regions, as said, particularly Asia / TPAC / Oceania which are going to either still be highly restricted/closed/locked-down so global airlines are looking to redeploy capacity into other places. I have said in other thread, that pre-pandemic route planning strategy and financial performance expectations/business case are a lot different now than they were pre-pandemic. Global airlines have aircraft and need places to fly them.

The good thing with STL is there is already demand to Europe that is already connecting elsewhere, the question is how much can a nonstop pull and our lure to connect over FRA versus continue to connect over ORD, DTW, MSP, ATL, CLT, PHL, JFK, IAD, EWR and even DFW & IAH.

stl07 wrote:

TWA302 wrote:

stl07 wrote:

Keep in mind I moved to LA after so now I'm used to super low prices. My next trip to Europe will be only $400 r/t on a legacy

Yeah but everything else costs 50x more than it should. Lol. Enjoy!

Don't even start about the prices here. I honestly didn't even want to move here but career path wise I really had no choice. I'll take a more expensive flight any day than the prices out here

Was in your same boat but decided to not go on that cruise. It was the best choice I made in my career. I love to travel to CA for work and personal, but that is about it.

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:

As someone else said, there is a bit of a unique window of opportunity for 2022. TATL is anticipated to be "big" in Summer 2022 with pent-up leisure/VFR demand and a return to more normal business travel across the Atlantic. There are other global regions, as said, particularly Asia / TPAC / Oceania which are going to either still be highly restricted/closed/locked-down so global airlines are looking to redeploy capacity into other places. I have said in other thread, that pre-pandemic route planning strategy and financial performance expectations/business case are a lot different now than they were pre-pandemic. Global airlines have aircraft and need places to fly them.

Yeah, that's a good point. Europe is really the only place Americans can go for the foreseeable future.

I wasn't planning on going to Europe this year, but I did. I wasn't planning on going to Europe in 2022, but now I am booked on the Lufthansa flight. I had other plans. I was going to go to Thailand. I was going to go to Hong Kong. I wanted to go back and see more of Japan. After booking those flights over a year ago "because surely things will be back to normal in 2021!" and having to cancel, I'm just not even going to bother rebooking them until those countries are back open.

Europe is a safe bet. I booked these flights today and know with near 100% certainty that I'll be able to go. I've got something to plan and something to look forward to, rather than be disappointed when I have to cancel because some countries seem to be content keeping themselves sealed shut.

I think Lufthansa will do very well here as long as other parts of the world are off limits, and I hope they can keep it up once the rest of the world opens up.

I'm in Europe right now. It's almost not worth it and I wouldn't be surprised to see it take steps backwards.

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:

Congrats on STL getting TATL service back.

Pretty big news on all sides. You have to thank all the parties involves for orchestrating the deal to make this happen. Without the contributions and negotiations of all sides there is no way this would've happened. So now that you have it, there is a bit of a grace period to let this thing develop and hopefully sustain itself. At face value, it sounds fairly similar to how IND was able obtain DL IND-CDG service with a robust financial package/incentives to get the thing off the ground. (then COVID kinda ruined that).

As someone else said, there is a bit of a unique window of opportunity for 2022. TATL is anticipated to be "big" in Summer 2022 with pent-up leisure/VFR demand and a return to more normal business travel across the Atlantic. There are other global regions, as said, particularly Asia / TPAC / Oceania which are going to either still be highly restricted/closed/locked-down so global airlines are looking to redeploy capacity into other places. I have said in other thread, that pre-pandemic route planning strategy and financial performance expectations/business case are a lot different now than they were pre-pandemic. Global airlines have aircraft and need places to fly them.

The good thing with STL is there is already demand to Europe that is already connecting elsewhere, the question is how much can a nonstop pull and our lure to connect over FRA versus continue to connect over ORD, DTW, MSP, ATL, CLT, PHL, JFK, IAD, EWR and even DFW & IAH.

Lot's of nonhub European cities require two connections. Local news interviewed a CEO that travels frequently to Hanover and has to go STL to ATL and then AMS to get to HAJ. 18 hours to get there. This flight will shave off about 6 hours of travel time.

TWA302 wrote:

stl07 wrote:

TWA302 wrote:

I guess so, lol. That didn't last long.

Keep in mind I moved to LA after so now I'm used to super low prices. My next trip to Europe will be only $400 r/t on a legacy

Yeah but everything else costs 50x more than it should. Lol. Enjoy!

7-day min-stay fares are $1274 roundtrip in the summer (legacy carriers have cheaper fares for roundtrip bookings to Europe vs. one-way fares). I wouldn't call that 50x more than it "should". It's basically inline with pricing on other legacy carriers for flights from mid-west to Europe in the summer. And if you want to recover costs of flight, one could easily argue that's a reasonable fare. If they can't get enough passengers willing to pay that price, the flight probably won't stick around. Roundtrip fares drop to $914 in September and then $714 starting in November as you go from shoulder season to off season to Europe.

umichman wrote:

TWA302 wrote:

stl07 wrote:

Keep in mind I moved to LA after so now I'm used to super low prices. My next trip to Europe will be only $400 r/t on a legacy

Yeah but everything else costs 50x more than it should. Lol. Enjoy!

7-day min-stay fares are $1274 roundtrip in the summer. I wouldn't call that 50x more than it "should". It's basically inline with pricing on other legacy carriers for flights from mid-west to Europe in the summer. And if you want to recover costs of flight, one could easily argue that's a reasonable fare. If they can't get enough passengers willing to pay that price, the flight probably won't stick around. Roundtrip fares drop to $914 in September and then $714 starting in November as you go from shoulder season to off season to Europe.

My reference to 50x more was not about airfare, but the cost of everything else in CA. I was not disappointed in the fare.

pwm2txlhopper wrote:

Off the top of my head I can think of Boeing and Anheuser-Busch/InBev SA/NV with operations in St. Louis. Anheuser was purchased by InBeV, ( which is based in Leuven, Belgium) maybe ten years ago. InBev also has regional headquarters in Bremen, Germany and London among other places.

Inbev moved their higher end NA execs to NYC a while ago. I doubt there's much travel between Europe and STL for personnel left in STL.

PhilMcCrackin wrote:

pwm2txlhopper wrote:

Off the top of my head I can think of Boeing and Anheuser-Busch/InBev SA/NV with operations in St. Louis. Anheuser was purchased by InBeV, ( which is based in Leuven, Belgium) maybe ten years ago. InBev also has regional headquarters in Bremen, Germany and London among other places.

Inbev moved their higher end NA execs to NYC a while ago. I doubt there's much travel between Europe and STL for personnel left in STL.

I thought they were moving some back recently and pulling NYC down some post covid.

I could be 100% wrong but for something reason I thought that was the case.

Jshank83 wrote:

PhilMcCrackin wrote:

pwm2txlhopper wrote:

Off the top of my head I can think of Boeing and Anheuser-Busch/InBev SA/NV with operations in St. Louis. Anheuser was purchased by InBeV, ( which is based in Leuven, Belgium) maybe ten years ago. InBev also has regional headquarters in Bremen, Germany and London among other places.

Inbev moved their higher end NA execs to NYC a while ago. I doubt there's much travel between Europe and STL for personnel left in STL.

I thought they were moving some back recently and pulling NYC down some post covid.

I could be 100% wrong but for something reason I thought that was the case.

Not sure, this is a few years old, but it looks like they have a pretty nice facility there:

https://www.officelovin.com/2019/01/a-t ... yc-office/

PhilMcCrackin wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

PhilMcCrackin wrote:

Inbev moved their higher end NA execs to NYC a while ago. I doubt there's much travel between Europe and STL for personnel left in STL.

I thought they were moving some back recently and pulling NYC down some post covid.

I could be 100% wrong but for something reason I thought that was the case.

Not sure, this is a few years old, but it looks like they have a pretty nice facility there:

https://www.officelovin.com/2019/01/a-t ... yc-office/

They have been building a new marketing research center here because of this. I thought I heard this will move people (not everyone) out of NYC to the hubs but the article at that time doesn't say.

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... r-hub.html

Congrats to STL and LH....it’s not a congested airport, people will be able to make easy connections from Southwest coming from the west and Texas. DAL-STL-FRA and beyond....I flew British Caledonian once DFW-STL-LGW....It was the only time I got to see Air 1 727-100&200’s

Super88 wrote:

Congrats to STL and LH....it’s not a congested airport, people will be able to make easy connections from Southwest coming from the west and Texas. DAL-STL-FRA and beyond....I flew British Caledonian once DFW-STL-LGW....It was the only time I got to see Air 1 727-100&200’s

If this happens, and the LH flights depart from T1, I hope they improve access to T1 from T2.

Super88 wrote:

Congrats to STL and LH....it’s not a congested airport, people will be able to make easy connections from Southwest coming from the west and Texas. DAL-STL-FRA and beyond....I flew British Caledonian once DFW-STL-LGW....It was the only time I got to see Air 1 727-100&200’s

If any pax connect WN to LH it will be self-connects as WN doesn't interline. I don't see many US pax doing this from anywhere as any city served by WN ex-STL can be done online with the US3 and their partners.

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istria87 wrote:

flights to Frankfurt will be packed with Bosnians who fly en masse to Bosnia during the summer. We have 60,000 Bosnians in St Louis alone.

This example is the epitome of low-yielding visiting-friends-and-family traffic. VFR traffic is extremely price sensitive -- a family of four will go on TK via ORD if they save $200 per ticket -- and it's also not LH's target customer with its efforts to position itself as a premium five-star airline. That rationale has no moat. TK could even launch STL itself and drive LH out of the market.

This move is entirely about Bayer and adjacent businesses, and perhaps some recognition that places in Asia (ie, where the aircraft might be utilized as an alternative), particularly second-tier cities in China, are still bogged down by Covid and geopolitical tensions.

Super88 wrote:

Congrats to STL and LH....it’s not a congested airport, people will be able to make easy connections from Southwest coming from the west and Texas. DAL-STL-FRA and beyond....I flew British Caledonian once DFW-STL-LGW....It was the only time I got to see Air 1 727-100&200’s

People in Texas will connect on UA via IAH, and from elsewhere in the west on UA via DEN or California. Nearly no one is going to interline internationally using WN as a connecting flight.

Super88 wrote:

Congrats to STL and LH....it’s not a congested airport, people will be able to make easy connections from Southwest coming from the west and Texas. DAL-STL-FRA and beyond....I flew British Caledonian once DFW-STL-LGW....It was the only time I got to see Air 1 727-100&200’s

Now this is a bad example of connecting pax, WN doesn’t interline being the major negative here. Another is outside of UA hub flights from STL there is nearly no connections available once pax land in STL

BA744PHX wrote:

Super88 wrote:

Congrats to STL and LH....it’s not a congested airport, people will be able to make easy connections from Southwest coming from the west and Texas. DAL-STL-FRA and beyond....I flew British Caledonian once DFW-STL-LGW....It was the only time I got to see Air 1 727-100&200’s

Now this is a bad example of connecting pax, WN doesn’t interline being the major negative here. Another is outside of UA hub flights from STL there is nearly no connections available once pax land in STL

UA MCI-STL in the future?

BA744PHX wrote:

Super88 wrote:

Congrats to STL and LH....it’s not a congested airport, people will be able to make easy connections from Southwest coming from the west and Texas. DAL-STL-FRA and beyond....I flew British Caledonian once DFW-STL-LGW....It was the only time I got to see Air 1 727-100&200’s

Now this is a bad example of connecting pax, WN doesn’t interline being the major negative here. Another is outside of UA hub flights from STL there is nearly no connections available once pax land in STL

UA to HHH

TWA302 wrote:

stl07 wrote:

TWA302 wrote:

Yeah but everything else costs 50x more than it should. Lol. Enjoy!

Don't even start about the prices here. I honestly didn't even want to move here but career path wise I really had no choice. I'll take a more expensive flight any day than the prices out here

Was in your same boat but decided to not go on that cruise. It was the best choice I made in my career. I love to travel to CA for work and personal, but that is about it.

Glad you were able to make it work! Even Jack Dorsey had second thoughts with square and made it back to STL. Maybe I'll be back someday

Personally I’m really psyched!
I’m just wondering where they’re gonna park that A330 on arrival. The only spot right now with Customs and Immigration is E29 which is not that spacious a corner.
I’m assuming it’ll depart out of the C Concourse from Sun Country’s old spot… but I could be wrong.

With a two hour turn I imagine it would come and go out of the same gate. Stranger things have happened, of course. Isn't Iberia doing a 2 hr 30 min turn out of Ohare arriving in 5 and leaving out of 3?

dannynoble wrote:

TWA302 wrote:

dannynoble wrote:

that is like Delta not flying to anywhere but London and Pairs from Atlanta.

This is inaccurate. DL flys nonstop ATL-LHR/AMS/CDG/FRA/FCO and seasonally to other cities, not to mention flights to other continents.

With a two hour turn on the new LH flight I wouldn't be surprised to see the airport open the end of C and reopen that customs in that concourse. Plenty of room for an A330, plenty of seating, room to open a small duty free shop, room for a lounge if that becomes a thing.

As for UA moving, on the three days a week with LH flights, I'm sure they could arrange a sterile shuttle service from A to C if someone was connecting.

Thinking that is not what he meant, regarding Delta at Atlanta....

dcaproducer wrote:

With a two hour turn on the new LH flight I wouldn't be surprised to see the airport open the end of C and reopen that customs in that concourse. Plenty of room for an A330, plenty of seating, room to open a small duty free shop, room for a lounge if that becomes a thing.

Reopening C doesn't make sense for the airport or for passengers. There are costs associated with two FIS facilities and arriving passengers have to reclear security at C, or they will need to remodel and add a bus to landside like PDX has.

Cubsrule wrote:

dcaproducer wrote:

With a two hour turn on the new LH flight I wouldn't be surprised to see the airport open the end of C and reopen that customs in that concourse. Plenty of room for an A330, plenty of seating, room to open a small duty free shop, room for a lounge if that becomes a thing.

Reopening C doesn't make sense for the airport or for passengers. There are costs associated with two FIS facilities and arriving passengers have to reclear security at C, or they will need to remodel and add a bus to landside like PDX has.

The airport was studying this option prior to COVID, so I'm sure they have an idea of what they want to do.

stlgph wrote:

Thinking that is not what he meant, regarding Delta at Atlanta....

My mistake. I saw it as part of a quote in another post and misread what he meant.

dcaproducer wrote:

Cubsrule wrote:

dcaproducer wrote:

With a two hour turn on the new LH flight I wouldn't be surprised to see the airport open the end of C and reopen that customs in that concourse. Plenty of room for an A330, plenty of seating, room to open a small duty free shop, room for a lounge if that becomes a thing.

Reopening C doesn't make sense for the airport or for passengers. There are costs associated with two FIS facilities and arriving passengers have to reclear security at C, or they will need to remodel and add a bus to landside like PDX has.

The airport was studying this option prior to COVID, so I'm sure they have an idea of what they want to do.

Reopening C FIS probably makes more sense than trying to add on to the E FIS. I'm not even sure adding on to E FIS is possible. But as long international flight levels are low enough that E FIS has enough capacity, reopening C FIS doesn't make sense.

OzarkD9S wrote:

Super88 wrote:

Congrats to STL and LH....it’s not a congested airport, people will be able to make easy connections from Southwest coming from the west and Texas. DAL-STL-FRA and beyond....I flew dBritish Caledonian once DFW-STL-LGW....It was the only time I got to see Air 1 727-100&200’s

If any pax connect WN to LH it will be self-connects as WN doesn't interline. I don't see many US pax doing this from anywhere as any city served by WN ex-STL can be done online with the US3 and their partners.

While I might be in small the minority, I’ve used both Southwest and JetBlue to fly to major hubs to self connect with another airline. Even Allegiant once. flying AA to MIA from Caribbean , then rail to FLL and onto Allegiant to New Hampshire. Ive use JetBlue to get to JFK from PWM at times for transatlantic flights on Delta to FRA and now closed TXL. Have also self connected to Southwest at LAX and SJC after getting off a Hawaiian Air flights. It’s really not too bad unless there a cancellation or disruption of some sort.

Cubsrule wrote:

dcaproducer wrote:

Cubsrule wrote:

Reopening C doesn't make sense for the airport or for passengers. There are costs associated with two FIS facilities and arriving passengers have to reclear security at C, or they will need to remodel and add a bus to landside like PDX has.

The airport was studying this option prior to COVID, so I'm sure they have an idea of what they want to do.

Reopening C FIS probably makes more sense than trying to add on to the E FIS. I'm not even sure adding on to E FIS is possible. But as long international flight levels are low enough that E FIS has enough capacity, reopening C FIS doesn't make sense.

Agree here, they aren't going to open a 2nd one. They said there would only be one. If they move the one in T2 will close.

That all said I don't think anything gets done until the new Airport Layout Plan is out. If that includes a big renovation they aren't going to spend money moving the FIS if it will just get moved again in a big renovation

So I think we will see status quo for awhile.

Back in 2007, I started my airline career with Southwest Airlines in STL. I am from Carbondale, 2 hours Southeast of STL, and ever since AA dropped Londont..I always hoped to see another International Overseas Flight return!

I am now in Chicago but still root for STL!

I am so shocked, but absolutely elated!

I sure hope this works out for STL and people actually use it!

I intend to use it Summer 2022 just to say I got to fly a Transatlantic Flight from STL.

At best I see UA doing a codeshare, but there's just no connecting opportunities in STL that other UA cities cannot serve.

Cape Air I could see pulling some connecting traffic if they allow it using Expedia, or other 3rd party websites.

I will be curious to see where LH will depart from, since this will be mostly OD, it could depart from C or E and stay near the FIS in Terminal 2. The advantage of flying out of Terminal 2, is the Priority Pass Club that LH Passengers could technically use?

Cannot wait for more details to come out, Airbus A330 is perfect!

Congrats STL!!!

Alex