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adipasqu
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SFO takeoffs and landings on 19's today, 12/13

Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:02 pm

For the second time this year, an atmospheric river is forcing all arrival and departure traffic on the 19's with the very rare departure towards the hills in Millbrae. Current METAR:

KSFO 132119Z 19024G34KT 2SM -RA FEW017 BKN047 OVC070 14/12 A2967 RMK AO2 PK WND 18034/2117 RAB00 P0002 T01440117
 
MrBretz
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Re: SFO takeoffs and landings on 19's today, 12/13

Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:20 pm

Please anyone post a video.
 
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Re: SFO takeoffs and landings on 19's today, 12/13

Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:49 pm

How can the widebodies launch on such relatively short runways ?

I'd also love to see video of this
 
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Re: SFO takeoffs and landings on 19's today, 12/13

Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:11 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
How can the widebodies launch on such relatively short runways ?

I'd also love to see video of this


19L is 8650' long and 19R is 7650' long. If they are taking off into a 25 kt headwind right down the centerline, a widebody shouldn't have too many issues getting off the ground. KLM even uses the 01's on departures to AMS with little to no headwind.
 
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Re: SFO takeoffs and landings on 19's today, 12/13

Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:13 pm

Looks like KLM282 to AMS just used 28R, so it looks like the heavies might be opting for the longer RWY now that the wind has shifted a little and calmed:

KSFO 132256Z 22017G23KT 1 1/2SM -RA BR FEW008 BKN023 OVC070 13/11 A2967 RMK AO2 PK WND 19034/2214 SLP047 P0021 T01280106
 
TC957
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Re: SFO takeoffs and landings on 19's today, 12/13

Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:14 pm

I once flew out of SFO on a VS 744 and it departed on the 01's...rotation was just past crossing 28R. So I wouldn't have thought a 19 departure to be that problamatic.
 
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Re: SFO takeoffs and landings on 19's today, 12/13

Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:53 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
How can the widebodies launch on such relatively short runways ?

I'd also love to see video of this


There were some departures taking off of the 10s. Not everything was departing the 19s. But yeah, would love to see a video of that.
 
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Re: SFO takeoffs and landings on 19's today, 12/13

Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:29 am

TC957 wrote:
I once flew out of SFO on a VS 744 and it departed on the 01's...rotation was just past crossing 28R. So I wouldn't have thought a 19 departure to be that problamatic.

In fact in last month's rain/storm event, all heavies were departing 01s. Amazing to see KLM (AMS), AF (CDG) and QR (DOH) taking off towards oakland.
 
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Re: SFO takeoffs and landings on 19's today, 12/13

Tue Dec 14, 2021 3:52 am

MrBretz wrote:
Please anyone post a video.


The way it's pouring down, I don´t have there are many spotters "in situ" right now...

mandargb wrote:
TC957 wrote:
I once flew out of SFO on a VS 744 and it departed on the 01's...rotation was just past crossing 28R. So I wouldn't have thought a 19 departure to be that problamatic.

In fact in last month's rain/storm event, all heavies were departing 01s. Amazing to see KLM (AMS), AF (CDG) and QR (DOH) taking off towards oakland.


KLM does it every day pretty much, they always take off on the 01s, storm or no storm.
 
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Re: SFO takeoffs and landings on 19's today, 12/13

Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:10 am

dcajet wrote:
KLM does it every day pretty much, they always take off on the 01s, storm or no storm.


Saves a few minutes of flight time!
 
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Re: SFO takeoffs and landings on 19's today, 12/13

Tue Dec 14, 2021 4:49 pm

chrisair wrote:
dcajet wrote:
KLM does it every day pretty much, they always take off on the 01s, storm or no storm.


Saves a few minutes of flight time!


Much shorter taxi to the 01's than to the 28's from the A-gates, too. I know this is getting off-topic, but I have always wondered if full power take-off's on the 01's to save a few minutes is worth it relative to using flex/lower thrust on take-off on the 28's from a maintenance/fuel burn perspective...assuming wind direction and traffic flows are not dictating. KLM must know what they are doing, so I guess the math works out for them.
 
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Re: SFO takeoffs and landings on 19's today, 12/13

Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:59 pm

dcajet wrote:
MrBretz wrote:
Please anyone post a video.


The way it's pouring down, I don´t have there are many spotters "in situ" right now...

mandargb wrote:
TC957 wrote:
I once flew out of SFO on a VS 744 and it departed on the 01's...rotation was just past crossing 28R. So I wouldn't have thought a 19 departure to be that problamatic.

In fact in last month's rain/storm event, all heavies were departing 01s. Amazing to see KLM (AMS), AF (CDG) and QR (DOH) taking off towards oakland.


KLM does it every day pretty much, they always take off on the 01s, storm or no storm.


QR does as well, which is pretty amazing for the length of that flight.
 
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Re: SFO takeoffs and landings on 19's today, 12/13

Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:08 pm

Run it at Toga and dial in some extra flaps. Enjoy the ride.

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