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Fortress11
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:05 am

hongkongflyer wrote:
Fortress11 wrote:
hongkongflyer wrote:

It is a loophole. Originally exemptions are given to cargo flight crews because of its necessary to keep HK running.
Then CX creatively find that they could schedule it as outbound passenger flight then back as a cargo flight so that more crews will not be subject to quarantine,
so that more crews are available for future flights & reduce the numbers of crew needed for closed loop operation, which could save CX's costs.
CX's intention to utilize the loophole + few irresponsible crews who break the rules make CX and HK society as a whole to pay for it.

Shame on CX and those irresponsible crews!!!



I'm not sure whether you're an antagonist or simply unable to comprehend what has previously been written, but these were not loopholes that CX "creatively" circumvented, these were government issued directives that CX followed. Your inability/unwillingness to acknowledge basic facts is staggering, but mostly inline with the misinformed general public who are intent on throwing CX under the bus for everything. I sure am glad I resigned from CX and I'm no longer surrounded by a society with the likes of you - who haven't a clue what its been like for crew and their families over the past 2 years.


For your information, I have plenty of friends working in CX as the FA and all of them are very upset about what their colleague have done.



For your information, I also have plenty of friends and former colleagues at CX and all of them are very upset with the government for the complete decimation of their careers and livelihoods, not to mention the imposed imprisonment every single time they go to work.

As someone who isn't subjected to the never ending plethora of illogical rules, your wilful condonement of the day-to-day insanity crews are facing without any regard for their welfare is shameful! And before you pass judgment on any crew members, go and put yourself in their shoes for 2 years and see if you still hold the same opinion.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:34 am

You are correct on the rule changes, you can takeoff and by the time you land all the forms submitted have to be redone to comply with new changes.

As the number of passenger flights is low, cabin crew have been flying minimum rosters. They have not been isolated from their families as much for extended periods.

Their perspectives are different to people who have been flying more. (Hence tested and isolated more).
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:45 am

It's about different attitude towards Covid. If your child have a fever in the EU or US, he/she will still go to school like normal. On the other hand, in Asia, your child cannot go to school and parents will take a day off to bring the child to see the doctor. This kind of caution is kind of supported by many Asians or at least middle age and older age Asians and that is difficult to change. Even with or without a democratic government, I can't see any difference in the approach towards Covid in HK.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:58 am

zeke wrote:
You are correct on the rule changes, you can takeoff and by the time you land all the forms submitted have to be redone to comply with new changes.

As the number of passenger flights is low, cabin crew have been flying minimum rosters. They have not been isolated from their families as much for extended periods.

Their perspectives are different to people who have been flying more. (Hence tested and isolated more).



I only just recently left CX, as a pilot, and the perspectives from the cockpit and cabin crew are vastly different as you say. Unfortunately, it all got a bit too much for me after a stint in Penny's Bay, so I took the decision to depart (pardon the pun). Huge shame as I enjoyed the job, but for me isn't wasn't worth the sacrifice my family I were having to make. All the best Zeke!
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:59 am

zeke wrote:
hongkongflyer wrote:
Please go search "望月樓群組" in Hong Kong news pages and you will find it is not a transmission through a family member, which lead to hundreds of people needed to be quarantine just because they were at the same place with those CX crews, who are supposed and required to stay at their home.


There is no evidence to support this, there are literally thousands of airport workers walking around HkG that are not tested. All those police, customs, immigration, cleaners, MTR, port health, ground staff etc.

What we do know for fact is the crew tested negative on arrival, and tested negative the next to days. It was the mandatory day 3 test they tested positive. This indicates they could have been infected in the terminal as they put crew in with infected passengers.

The crew were not required to stay home all the time as you have stated incorrectly. They were getting government required PCR testing (as required under the government order) and food. These activities were explicitly permitted.

hongkongflyer wrote:
The number of case directly related to CX crews going outside is around 10, sure not a big deal according to the standard in Europe/ USA/ Australia with record breaking cases every day.


What about the other 12782 cases then ?

Have a good look at what is happening in Australia, and understand that covid in a vaccinated population is not the same as covid in an unvaccinated population.

The hospitalisation cases in Australia are mainly those with significant other illnesses or those who are unvaccinated.

Even children are being vaccinated in Australia.

Yet in Hong Kong only around 20% of the older population are vaccinated.


All airport staffs are now tested every two days.
Yes, crews are allowed to go outside for test and buying food, but not visiting friend's home; eating in restaurant and go Apple Store, which is what the FA in 望月樓群組 did.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:07 am

Captaincurious wrote:
It's about different attitude towards Covid. If your child have a fever in the EU or US, he/she will still go to school like normal. On the other hand, in Asia, your child cannot go to school and parents will take a day off to bring the child to see the doctor. This kind of caution is kind of supported by many Asians or at least middle age and older age Asians and that is difficult to change. Even with or without a democratic government, I can't see any difference in the approach towards Covid in HK.



You mean like in Hong Kong if your child is sick and the hospitals refuse to admit them because their Mother or Father is a pilot? For you this is cautious behaviour, but for many, including myself, this is negligence and inhumanity of the highest order.

Again, until the likes of you and your families are subjected to these never ending abhorrent rules, you will never understand.
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:17 am

hongkongflyer wrote:
zeke wrote:
hongkongflyer wrote:
Please go search "望月樓群組" in Hong Kong news pages and you will find it is not a transmission through a family member, which lead to hundreds of people needed to be quarantine just because they were at the same place with those CX crews, who are supposed and required to stay at their home.


There is no evidence to support this, there are literally thousands of airport workers walking around HkG that are not tested. All those police, customs, immigration, cleaners, MTR, port health, ground staff etc.

What we do know for fact is the crew tested negative on arrival, and tested negative the next to days. It was the mandatory day 3 test they tested positive. This indicates they could have been infected in the terminal as they put crew in with infected passengers.

The crew were not required to stay home all the time as you have stated incorrectly. They were getting government required PCR testing (as required under the government order) and food. These activities were explicitly permitted.

hongkongflyer wrote:
The number of case directly related to CX crews going outside is around 10, sure not a big deal according to the standard in Europe/ USA/ Australia with record breaking cases every day.


What about the other 12782 cases then ?

Have a good look at what is happening in Australia, and understand that covid in a vaccinated population is not the same as covid in an unvaccinated population.

The hospitalisation cases in Australia are mainly those with significant other illnesses or those who are unvaccinated.

Even children are being vaccinated in Australia.

Yet in Hong Kong only around 20% of the older population are vaccinated.


All airport staffs are now tested every two days.
Yes, crews are allowed to go outside for test and buying food, but not visiting friend's home; eating in restaurant and go Apple Store, which is what the FA in 望月樓群組 did.



Wrong! Crews are not allowed outside for food. They have to isolate at home from day 1 until the result of their day 3 test. They're only allowed to leave home to be tested, go to work, or for medical reasons. This rule only applies to crews flying cargo-only both directions and not conducting a layover in another country. So pilots that have had no interaction whatsoever with anyone from another country still have isolate for no good reason!

Not to mention the daily antigen tests for the first 7 days after arriving, along with the PCR tests on days 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 12, 16 & 19.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:05 am

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Wrong! Crews are not allowed outside for food. They have to isolate at home from day 1 until the result of their day 3 test. They're only allowed to leave home to be tested, go to work, or for medical reasons. This rule only applies to crews flying cargo-only both directions and not conducting a layover in another country. So pilots that have had no interaction whatsoever with anyone from another country still have isolate for no good reason!

Not to mention the daily antigen tests for the first 7 days after arriving, along with the PCR tests on days 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 12, 16 & 19.


That is horrible. Prisoners in UK are treated better than this.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:51 am

Captaincurious wrote:
It's about different attitude towards Covid. If your child have a fever in the EU or US, he/she will still go to school like normal.


That isn't true at all.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:03 pm

Fortress11 wrote:
Captaincurious wrote:
It's about different attitude towards Covid. If your child have a fever in the EU or US, he/she will still go to school like normal. On the other hand, in Asia, your child cannot go to school and parents will take a day off to bring the child to see the doctor. This kind of caution is kind of supported by many Asians or at least middle age and older age Asians and that is difficult to change. Even with or without a democratic government, I can't see any difference in the approach towards Covid in HK.



You mean like in Hong Kong if your child is sick and the hospitals refuse to admit them because their Mother or Father is a pilot? For you this is cautious behaviour, but for many, including myself, this is negligence and inhumanity of the highest order.

Again, until the likes of you and your families are subjected to these never ending abhorrent rules, you will never understand.


No one is rejected to get admitsion to hospital because his family member is a pilot
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:06 pm

hongkongflyer wrote:
Fortress11 wrote:
Captaincurious wrote:
It's about different attitude towards Covid. If your child have a fever in the EU or US, he/she will still go to school like normal. On the other hand, in Asia, your child cannot go to school and parents will take a day off to bring the child to see the doctor. This kind of caution is kind of supported by many Asians or at least middle age and older age Asians and that is difficult to change. Even with or without a democratic government, I can't see any difference in the approach towards Covid in HK.



You mean like in Hong Kong if your child is sick and the hospitals refuse to admit them because their Mother or Father is a pilot? For you this is cautious behaviour, but for many, including myself, this is negligence and inhumanity of the highest order.

Again, until the likes of you and your families are subjected to these never ending abhorrent rules, you will never understand.


No one is rejected to get admitsion to hospital because his family member is a pilot



Wrong again! On the internal company forum it has been spoken about numerous times and I have experienced this myself. Doctors are refusing to see patients if any of their family members are aircrew, which now has resorted to video consultations becoming the norm. For the hospitals that are accepting admissions, such as North Lantau Hospital, you're not allowed to enter the building and you're forced to wait outside in a cordoned off area with a security guard watching over you. You'll be attended to outside, and if the injury is severe enough you'll be put in a negative pressure room or escorted to a room side-lined from the rest of the hospital.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:07 pm

Fortress11 wrote:
hongkongflyer wrote:
zeke wrote:

There is no evidence to support this, there are literally thousands of airport workers walking around HkG that are not tested. All those police, customs, immigration, cleaners, MTR, port health, ground staff etc.

What we do know for fact is the crew tested negative on arrival, and tested negative the next to days. It was the mandatory day 3 test they tested positive. This indicates they could have been infected in the terminal as they put crew in with infected passengers.

The crew were not required to stay home all the time as you have stated incorrectly. They were getting government required PCR testing (as required under the government order) and food. These activities were explicitly permitted.



What about the other 12782 cases then ?

Have a good look at what is happening in Australia, and understand that covid in a vaccinated population is not the same as covid in an unvaccinated population.

The hospitalisation cases in Australia are mainly those with significant other illnesses or those who are unvaccinated.

Even children are being vaccinated in Australia.

Yet in Hong Kong only around 20% of the older population are vaccinated.


All airport staffs are now tested every two days.
Yes, crews are allowed to go outside for test and buying food, but not visiting friend's home; eating in restaurant and go Apple Store, which is what the FA in 望月樓群組 did.



Wrong! Crews are not allowed outside for food. They have to isolate at home from day 1 until the result of their day 3 test. They're only allowed to leave home to be tested, go to work, or for medical reasons.

So are the crew just supposed to not eat for three days.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:42 pm

hongkongflyer wrote:
No one is rejected to get admitsion to hospital because his family member is a pilot


I am sorry, everything you are putting is incorrect.

Eg

“ Please be informed that we will not accept patients or visitors who:
…….
have travelled outside of Hong Kong but did not fulfil the government quarantine requirements** and have not completed all mandatory PCR tests during the self monitoring period.”
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:43 pm

https://hongkongfp.com/2022/01/11/hong- ... sYhMYBoPYY

And now HKgov wants to sue CX...

I gave up at this point. What else is CX supposed to do with their employees? Jailed them for 3 days?

All these while those officials in HK partied like there is no tomorrow, and of course faced zero consequences.

Mismanagement is mismanagement, it had been long past time for that Curried Lamb to go.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:57 pm

AirKevin wrote:
Fortress11 wrote:
hongkongflyer wrote:

All airport staffs are now tested every two days.
Yes, crews are allowed to go outside for test and buying food, but not visiting friend's home; eating in restaurant and go Apple Store, which is what the FA in 望月樓群組 did.



Wrong! Crews are not allowed outside for food. They have to isolate at home from day 1 until the result of their day 3 test. They're only allowed to leave home to be tested, go to work, or for medical reasons.

So are the crew just supposed to not eat for three days.


I had to rely on food deliveries from friends or delivery service.

The problem is the government wording is a little vague and could be interpreted differently by each individual crew member.

The directive is as follows: "For local-based crew who are entering the local community and who are not subject to to the requirement of self-isolation at a designated quarantine hotel, they must stay at their place of accommodation during the medical surveillance period until there is a negative result from their post-arrival PCR test taken on Day 3 following their arrival in Hong Kong, unless for absolutely necessary activities, for instance undergoing a post-arrival PCR test, attending medical appointments, undergoing flight training, and operating their next duty flights".

In a normal country going for food is considered a necessary activity, however the crew received an update from one of the general managers saying that it's not. There is still no definitive list as to what's absolutely necessary, so it's open for interpretation, or misinterpretation.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:32 pm

zeke wrote:
hongkongflyer wrote:
Please go search "望月樓群組" in Hong Kong news pages and you will find it is not a transmission through a family member, which lead to hundreds of people needed to be quarantine just because they were at the same place with those CX crews, who are supposed and required to stay at their home.


There is no evidence to support this, there are literally thousands of airport workers walking around HkG that are not tested. All those police, customs, immigration, cleaners, MTR, port health, ground staff etc.

What we do know for fact is the crew tested negative on arrival, and tested negative the next to days. It was the mandatory day 3 test they tested positive. This indicates they could have been infected in the terminal as they put crew in with infected passengers.

The crew were not required to stay home all the time as you have stated incorrectly. They were getting government required PCR testing (as required under the government order) and food. These activities were explicitly permitted.


The crew were not required to stay home, however the government is now trying to deem such lack of requirement as Cathay violating guidelines, according to my understanding.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:45 pm

Fortress11 wrote:
The directive is as follows: "For local-based crew who are entering the local community and who are not subject to to the requirement of self-isolation at a designated quarantine hotel, they must stay at their place of accommodation during the medical surveillance period until there is a negative result from their post-arrival PCR test taken on Day 3 following their arrival in Hong Kong, unless for absolutely necessary activities, for instance undergoing a post-arrival PCR test, attending medical appointments, undergoing flight training, and operating their next duty flights".


That is the updated wording, it did not state that at the time. The reason it was updated is because the government “guidelines” changed again.
 
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Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:54 pm

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The crew were not required to stay home, however the government is now trying to deem such lack of requirement as Cathay violating guidelines, according to my understanding.


I can guarantee you that every staff direction given to the crew complied with the government requirements and copies of the said staff directions were provided to the government after every amendment.

I think last year there something like 260 staff directions given to crew, the majority of which related to changes made by the government.
 
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Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:09 pm

zeke wrote:
c933103 wrote:
The crew were not required to stay home, however the government is now trying to deem such lack of requirement as Cathay violating guidelines, according to my understanding.


I can guarantee you that every staff direction given to the crew complied with the government requirements and copies of the said staff directions were provided to the government after every amendment.

I think last year there something like 260 staff directions given to crew, the majority of which related to changes made by the government.


Sounds about right for HKGov with zero leadership waiting for directions all the time.

IMHO the paranoia has to stop somewhere. All these talks about "loophole" then you will have those same people complain about not getting their fresh fish from Japan on a CX cargo plane.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:34 am

zeke wrote:
c933103 wrote:
The crew were not required to stay home, however the government is now trying to deem such lack of requirement as Cathay violating guidelines, according to my understanding.


I can guarantee you that every staff direction given to the crew complied with the government requirements and copies of the said staff directions were provided to the government after every amendment.

I think last year there something like 260 staff directions given to crew, the majority of which related to changes made by the government.

Copies sent to direction mean the government know about them, but doesn't mean they necessarily approve all details in them and doesn't mean they can't retroactively say some of the details are actually bad
Just like how all the Korean LOTTE store in China suddenly have all sort of fire safety troubles after they gave up their lands in South Korea for the deployment of THAAD anti-missile system.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:44 am

c933103 wrote:
zeke wrote:
c933103 wrote:
The crew were not required to stay home, however the government is now trying to deem such lack of requirement as Cathay violating guidelines, according to my understanding.


I can guarantee you that every staff direction given to the crew complied with the government requirements and copies of the said staff directions were provided to the government after every amendment.

I think last year there something like 260 staff directions given to crew, the majority of which related to changes made by the government.

Copies sent to direction mean the government know about them, but doesn't mean they necessarily approve all details in them and doesn't mean they can't retroactively say some of the details are actually bad
Just like how all the Korean LOTTE store in China suddenly have all sort of fire safety troubles after they gave up their lands in South Korea for the deployment of THAAD anti-missile system.


These staff directions are legal documents, so the regulator would indeed know about them. Reading and understanding must be acknowledged via electronic signature, so there is a "paper" trail showing that staff are aware.

In a wider perspective, the whole narrative that the government wasn't aware of the details of CX operations in the past year is ludicrous. This is aviation, one of the most strictly regulated industries in the world. Every little change has to be checked, approved, communicated and acknowledged.



AirKevin wrote:
Fortress11 wrote:
hongkongflyer wrote:

All airport staffs are now tested every two days.
Yes, crews are allowed to go outside for test and buying food, but not visiting friend's home; eating in restaurant and go Apple Store, which is what the FA in 望月樓群組 did.



Wrong! Crews are not allowed outside for food. They have to isolate at home from day 1 until the result of their day 3 test. They're only allowed to leave home to be tested, go to work, or for medical reasons.

So are the crew just supposed to not eat for three days.


FWIW, home delivery from restaurants and shops in HK is ubiquitous and cheap, especially since the pandemic began.

Not saying this excuses the current restrictions, but you won't starve to death.

Captaincurious wrote:
It's about different attitude towards Covid. If your child have a fever in the EU or US, he/she will still go to school like normal. On the other hand, in Asia, your child cannot go to school and parents will take a day off to bring the child to see the doctor. This kind of caution is kind of supported by many Asians or at least middle age and older age Asians and that is difficult to change. Even with or without a democratic government, I can't see any difference in the approach towards Covid in HK.


You're aggregating a lot off countries under "Asia", which is both the most populous and the most culturally heterogenous continent. Also, your statement isn't really correct. For example, at least in HK the parents would probably not stay home, since childcare in families where both parents work is more often than not handled by a domestic helper or an older family member.
 
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Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:18 am

A latest development of the CX crew (who should stayed home for 3 days) related spreading cases:

https://hk.news.yahoo.com/%E5%9C%8B%E6% ... 00491.html

(a quick google translate of the news)
The owner of the East Asia Pharmacy in Tuen Mun Aiding Mall, who was diagnosed the day before yesterday, had a fever on the 1st of this month. After checking the CCTV, it was determined that the infected Cathay Pacific FA had stayed at the pharmacy for about 5 minutes less than on the 27th of last month. After the genetic test conducted by PolyU, it was confirmed that the owner and his daughter who was a salesperson in the Sogo Department Store were both infected with Omicron. The genetic sequence of the two was the same as that of Cathay Pacific Airways, which is a related case. The 11-year-old son and 45-year-old wife of the owner of the drug landlord also It was recruited, and it was suspected that it was spread when the air force was visiting.

Now the whole residential area Tuen Mun is under the high risk of spreading of COVID because of that particular rules-breaking FA.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:35 am

hongkongflyer wrote:
A latest development of the CX crew (who should stayed home for 3 days) related spreading cases:

https://hk.news.yahoo.com/%E5%9C%8B%E6% ... 00491.html

(a quick google translate of the news)
The owner of the East Asia Pharmacy in Tuen Mun Aiding Mall, who was diagnosed the day before yesterday, had a fever on the 1st of this month. After checking the CCTV, it was determined that the infected Cathay Pacific FA had stayed at the pharmacy for about 5 minutes less than on the 27th of last month. After the genetic test conducted by PolyU, it was confirmed that the owner and his daughter who was a salesperson in the Sogo Department Store were both infected with Omicron. The genetic sequence of the two was the same as that of Cathay Pacific Airways, which is a related case. The 11-year-old son and 45-year-old wife of the owner of the drug landlord also It was recruited, and it was suspected that it was spread when the air force was visiting.

Now the whole residential area Tuen Mun is under the high risk of spreading of COVID because of that particular rules-breaking FA.


Don't the directives allow individuals to leave their homes for medical and other essential activities. I would have thought visiting a pharmacy for necessary medication would meet this requirement, and if so this is would appear to be nothing more than mud-slinging to support an agenda.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:12 am

hongkongflyer wrote:
A latest development of the CX crew (who should stayed home for 3 days) related spreading cases:

https://hk.news.yahoo.com/%E5%9C%8B%E6% ... 00491.html

(a quick google translate of the news)
The owner of the East Asia Pharmacy in Tuen Mun Aiding Mall, who was diagnosed the day before yesterday, had a fever on the 1st of this month. After checking the CCTV, it was determined that the infected Cathay Pacific FA had stayed at the pharmacy for about 5 minutes less than on the 27th of last month. After the genetic test conducted by PolyU, it was confirmed that the owner and his daughter who was a salesperson in the Sogo Department Store were both infected with Omicron. The genetic sequence of the two was the same as that of Cathay Pacific Airways, which is a related case. The 11-year-old son and 45-year-old wife of the owner of the drug landlord also It was recruited, and it was suspected that it was spread when the air force was visiting.

Now the whole residential area Tuen Mun is under the high risk of spreading of COVID because of that particular rules-breaking FA.


I would enjoy reading your feedback to this post that highlights double standards being employed

https://mailchi.mp/boasecohencollins.co ... 2da9cba4bc
 
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Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:24 am

zeke wrote:
hongkongflyer wrote:
A latest development of the CX crew (who should stayed home for 3 days) related spreading cases:

https://hk.news.yahoo.com/%E5%9C%8B%E6% ... 00491.html

(a quick google translate of the news)
The owner of the East Asia Pharmacy in Tuen Mun Aiding Mall, who was diagnosed the day before yesterday, had a fever on the 1st of this month. After checking the CCTV, it was determined that the infected Cathay Pacific FA had stayed at the pharmacy for about 5 minutes less than on the 27th of last month. After the genetic test conducted by PolyU, it was confirmed that the owner and his daughter who was a salesperson in the Sogo Department Store were both infected with Omicron. The genetic sequence of the two was the same as that of Cathay Pacific Airways, which is a related case. The 11-year-old son and 45-year-old wife of the owner of the drug landlord also It was recruited, and it was suspected that it was spread when the air force was visiting.

Now the whole residential area Tuen Mun is under the high risk of spreading of COVID because of that particular rules-breaking FA.


I would enjoy reading your feedback to this post that highlights double standards being employed

https://mailchi.mp/boasecohencollins.co ... 2da9cba4bc

Why would you try to argue with Carrie Lam (or her cronies) on the internet? They are here to state their stance, you (and probably they themselves) do not have to agree with them and they certainly do not intend anyone to agree with what they say. But they do this for a living.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:30 am

ArtV wrote:

Don't the directives allow individuals to leave their homes for medical and other essential activities. I would have thought visiting a pharmacy for necessary medication would meet this requirement, and if so this is would appear to be nothing more than mud-slinging to support an agenda.


After testing positive everyone is taken to North Lantau hospital and placed in a 6 bed room. The owner would not have been able to review the cctv, would have no idea what the crew looked like, and would not have access to their own test samples let alone another persons to do sequencing.

I would question the authenticity of the report.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:40 am

ArtV wrote:
hongkongflyer wrote:
A latest development of the CX crew (who should stayed home for 3 days) related spreading cases:

https://hk.news.yahoo.com/%E5%9C%8B%E6% ... 00491.html

(a quick google translate of the news)
The owner of the East Asia Pharmacy in Tuen Mun Aiding Mall, who was diagnosed the day before yesterday, had a fever on the 1st of this month. After checking the CCTV, it was determined that the infected Cathay Pacific FA had stayed at the pharmacy for about 5 minutes less than on the 27th of last month. After the genetic test conducted by PolyU, it was confirmed that the owner and his daughter who was a salesperson in the Sogo Department Store were both infected with Omicron. The genetic sequence of the two was the same as that of Cathay Pacific Airways, which is a related case. The 11-year-old son and 45-year-old wife of the owner of the drug landlord also It was recruited, and it was suspected that it was spread when the air force was visiting.

Now the whole residential area Tuen Mun is under the high risk of spreading of COVID because of that particular rules-breaking FA.


Don't the directives allow individuals to leave their homes for medical and other essential activities. I would have thought visiting a pharmacy for necessary medication would meet this requirement, and if so this is would appear to be nothing more than mud-slinging to support an agenda.


He went there for shampoo only
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:42 am

zeke wrote:
hongkongflyer wrote:
A latest development of the CX crew (who should stayed home for 3 days) related spreading cases:

https://hk.news.yahoo.com/%E5%9C%8B%E6% ... 00491.html

(a quick google translate of the news)
The owner of the East Asia Pharmacy in Tuen Mun Aiding Mall, who was diagnosed the day before yesterday, had a fever on the 1st of this month. After checking the CCTV, it was determined that the infected Cathay Pacific FA had stayed at the pharmacy for about 5 minutes less than on the 27th of last month. After the genetic test conducted by PolyU, it was confirmed that the owner and his daughter who was a salesperson in the Sogo Department Store were both infected with Omicron. The genetic sequence of the two was the same as that of Cathay Pacific Airways, which is a related case. The 11-year-old son and 45-year-old wife of the owner of the drug landlord also It was recruited, and it was suspected that it was spread when the air force was visiting.

Now the whole residential area Tuen Mun is under the high risk of spreading of COVID because of that particular rules-breaking FA.


I would enjoy reading your feedback to this post that highlights double standards being employed

https://mailchi.mp/boasecohencollins.co ... 2da9cba4bc


People in HK also criticising those who have been to the birthday party.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:53 pm

hongkongflyer wrote:
zeke wrote:
hongkongflyer wrote:
A latest development of the CX crew (who should stayed home for 3 days) related spreading cases:

https://hk.news.yahoo.com/%E5%9C%8B%E6% ... 00491.html

(a quick google translate of the news)
The owner of the East Asia Pharmacy in Tuen Mun Aiding Mall, who was diagnosed the day before yesterday, had a fever on the 1st of this month. After checking the CCTV, it was determined that the infected Cathay Pacific FA had stayed at the pharmacy for about 5 minutes less than on the 27th of last month. After the genetic test conducted by PolyU, it was confirmed that the owner and his daughter who was a salesperson in the Sogo Department Store were both infected with Omicron. The genetic sequence of the two was the same as that of Cathay Pacific Airways, which is a related case. The 11-year-old son and 45-year-old wife of the owner of the drug landlord also It was recruited, and it was suspected that it was spread when the air force was visiting.

Now the whole residential area Tuen Mun is under the high risk of spreading of COVID because of that particular rules-breaking FA.


I would enjoy reading your feedback to this post that highlights double standards being employed

https://mailchi.mp/boasecohencollins.co ... 2da9cba4bc


People in HK also criticising those who have been to the birthday party.


You still don't get it, don't you?

What we have right now is essentially a double standard. All these cry about the CX employees and guess what? CX did fired them. But no, that's not enough for the Hkgov and their cronies as they want more lawsuits.

Meanwhile you not only have a large party with some officials, but also the govt is already trying to bend the rule themselves (i.e. shortening quarantine, all these claims about lack of CCTV, etc.). All these while restaurants were shut down just bc 1-2 people didn't scan that QR code with the LeaveHomeSafe app, all these while normal people face a multitude of restrictions for their own wedding banquets and stuff, oh, and now all restaurants are shut down after 6pm over some paranoia of the virus. Oh, and all these time Carrie Lam just try to avoid blames herself and point fingers at everyone else as the HKgov try to swept the whole thing under the rug.

HK people are pissed for a reason. But hey, no protest, nobody to represent them in LegCo, no more news that actually do investigative journalism as they all got shut down. Everything is awesome in HK I guess! Kumbaya!
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:04 pm

blandy62 wrote:
ShanghaiNoon wrote:

There has been plenty of criticism from China about the West's handling of Covid-19, just as there there has been plenty of criticism from the West on the West's handling of Covid-19.


but not too much critism (except Trump) from the West on China's original handling of Covid...
L

Like China emplacing internal controls but still allowing travel to Iran in April?
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:15 am

zakuivcustom wrote:
You still don't get it, don't you?


If the majority of the population are insane and / or stupid (as reflected by the quality of the government they get in most instances) then whilst acknowledging this is a forum, there really is limited value in debating the point.

A sad state of the world we live in unfortunately.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:05 am

I really don't see how CX recovers its cargo business without a major change in policy. An airline like China Airlines (CI) would be really well adapted at taking advantage, as the flight is short enough to bring the crew back to TPE without needing to quarantine...anywhere from Taipei to the Pearl River delta (CAN, HKG, SZX) can be done with the same crew on one shift.

Passenger-wise, the bigger question is if CX can ever recover to and from Europe and North America, since Western businesses which had a base in Hong Kong might find Singapore more attractive. (Indeed, SQ has announced that it is going 17x weekly between NYC and SIN for the NS22 season...the only limiting factor for them is that SQ only has 7 A359ULR planes...1x daily JFK via FRA A388, 1x daily nonstop EWR A359, 3x weekly JFK nonstop A359.)
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:30 am

It's all very insidious really isn't it? Pit the community against each other and deflect from the authorities enormous shortcomings, all the while eliminating oversight, scrutiny and representation.

It's why my employer is now in the process of relocating our Asian headquarters to another SE Asian country - the new conditions in HK collectively make it an unsafe (per company policy) place for our staff. This includes heightened surveillance of them from Chinese/HK authorities in what is an otherwise benign industry.

Which begs the question - what future for Cathay? Eventually the virus will unleash on Hong Kong and there will be severe disruption. Unless they're pursuing a booster jab/Omicron-specific vax strategy to mitigate this, I can't see another reason to put it off.

So in the next 6 months there will likely be a huge outbreak - staff absenteeism and supply chain disruption alone will kibosh a lot of travel.

Then beyond that the more macro issues - is Hong Kong still a place to do business? Increasingly... no (rule of law etc). Does it have a sizeable local population and ready access to an enormous domestic market? Sure.

So longer term, I'd see CX managing its decline - far less premium, which may explain the Dragonair absorption, far more regionally/domestically focused. I can imagine a cancellation of the 77X order to consolidate around the A350s, a possible A330NEO acquisition and a possibly phase out of some of the older freighter fleet as, globally, things start to normalise.

I really feel for the CX crews. A shaky future and your own community treating you this way - just ridiculous.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:52 am

Fortress11 wrote:
zeke wrote:
You are correct on the rule changes, you can takeoff and by the time you land all the forms submitted have to be redone to comply with new changes.

As the number of passenger flights is low, cabin crew have been flying minimum rosters. They have not been isolated from their families as much for extended periods.

Their perspectives are different to people who have been flying more. (Hence tested and isolated more).



I only just recently left CX, as a pilot, and the perspectives from the cockpit and cabin crew are vastly different as you say. Unfortunately, it all got a bit too much for me after a stint in Penny's Bay, so I took the decision to depart (pardon the pun). Huge shame as I enjoyed the job, but for me isn't wasn't worth the sacrifice my family I were having to make. All the best Zeke!


INVIGORATING! If you haven’t felt it yet you will. I made the tough decision early last year and finally left 8 months ago. While feeling much consternation leaving what was home for almost 2 decades I came out the other side feeling better then I had in years. From talking to my friends still stuck in the city the situation sounds even worse today. I thank my lucky stars I held my nose and jumped. You will too mate…congrats.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific Suspends 747F and Cargo-Only Pax Flights for 7 Days

Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:26 am

aerokiwi wrote:
Which begs the question - what future for Cathay? Eventually the virus will unleash on Hong Kong and there will be severe disruption. Unless they're pursuing a booster jab/Omicron-specific vax strategy to mitigate this, I can't see another reason to put it off.


Meh, they will just go into lockdown if there are more than 100 cases daily. They are already shutting down primary school for god sake over 20-30 daily cases, most of whom are traceable or import case no less...

aerokiwi wrote:
Then beyond that the more macro issues - is Hong Kong still a place to do business? Increasingly... no (rule of law etc). Does it have a sizeable local population and ready access to an enormous domestic market? Sure.


Politics aside - AFAIK it is the so-call "covid zero" policy that is making companies downsizing their HK operations. Can't blame them as a company simply can't function especially when the rest of the world starts to open up.

And market wise, well, HK and its cronies government can go ahead and keep themselves in a bubble and hope to open back to mainland. Even that process will be slow - plan right now you are talking about 1000s of people per day crossing the border, with 90% of them using land border (with Shenzhen or Zhuhai). What is CX suppose to do? Compete with MU or CA to the like of Shanghai and Beijing?

aerokiwi wrote:
So longer term, I'd see CX managing its decline - far less premium, which may explain the Dragonair absorption, far more regionally/domestically focused. I can imagine a cancellation of the 77X order to consolidate around the A350s, a possible A330NEO acquisition and a possibly phase out of some of the older freighter fleet as, globally, things start to normalise.


CX also has UO (HKExpress) for some of the regional leisure flying...of course, everything is moot if HK keep insisting in staying in that bubble.

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