Irish 1/22: Brave new beginnings

OA260 · Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:18 pm

When booking DUB - EDI the fare types listed state that you get 7KG cabin bag with Emerald but on the final page it states 10KG checked bag . Very confusing for passengers.

ClassicLover · Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:13 pm

OA260 wrote:
Id never consider EI to ZRH where LX is available. Their J class is one of the best intra European especially on routes like DUB - ZRH . They currently have some good Biz fares from DUB - ZRH for €300 return . Im very tempted for a February mini break.

Flew BA Club Europe back yesterday and was a pretty ok experience . I do like their catering . Its their strong point over EI and Aerspace although the trade off is the A330/A321NEO flatbed seat if you choose those flights to DUB . On BHD there is no trade off and BA wins.

You're not wrong there, SWISS are amazing in business class. I was - and still am - blown away by my August 2020 trip TLS-ZRH-DUB. God that was great couple of flights!

BA are pretty okay in Club Europe and the price is generally not stupid, which is always good.

opticalilyushin wrote:
Flying DUB-LHR and back over a few days next month, has anyone had any issues with checking in online or with Covid bureaucracy? I understand only 1 PLF is required for the return leg to Dublin?

I flew in November and no bother on the outbound, the UK treats Irish citizens the same as their own. You don't need anything special going over, and coming back it's just the Irish PLF as you say. Simple and easy, you won't have any issues going back and forth. It's pretty seamless.

alancostello · Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:59 pm

Orlaithdub wrote:
In relation to Aer Lingus joining the JV with AA/BA etc, will we possibly see aer lingus codeshares in the future with Finnair too? I know they are codesharing with Iberia on the DUB-MAD route but still no sign of codeshares on the american routes. As an example, all Iberia flights to the USA are codesared with finnair ba iberia. Will this happen in Aer Lingus too?

It will happen eventually, but they'll probably be one of the last as there's no real advantage to it other than booking engine availability. Strategically it doesn't make a huge amount of sense for a HEL-based passenger to transit through DUB so there's no real driver there, FI already flies to a lot of EI's US destinations, and it probably makes more sense to connect through LHR or one of AA's US hubs to get to everywhere else as there are many more options both timing- and destination-wise. BA already codeshare on EI metal across the Atlantic, AA will be next as their just-launched codeshare agreement expands, and then we'll likely see IB followed by FI or the two together.

tonystan · Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:52 pm

NiallS wrote:
JAmie2k9 wrote:
Vueling appear to be keeping DUB/ORK-ORY for the summer. Cork goes to x3 weekly. BFS not available.

Would be good for Cork if Vueling launched BCN, Aer Lingus made it work up to x5 weekly for a long time.

Was it ever explained why Aer Lingus are operating Vueling flights with an A330? It's a bizarre choice of aircraft considering the route. They must be near empty considering the prices at the moment. Would an A320 not have made more sense?

Long story short, Vueling are slot holding at ORY. Apparently the slots were for a larger capacity aircraft (I believe a high capacity 321NEO) and as they are lacking any in their fleet the EI 330 will fit the bill for the time being!

dstc47 · Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:24 am

Irish passenger on trial for mask related incident on a Delta service from Dublin.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0122/1275189-flight-mask/

Although this happened on 7 January, I cant recall it being mentioned.

OA260 · Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:24 pm

dstc47 wrote:
Irish passenger on trial for mask related incident on a Delta service from Dublin.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0122/1275189-flight-mask/

Although this happened on 7 January, I cant recall it being mentioned.

Hopefully he gets the full 20 years and made serve it. Penalties need upped and fully enforced for anti social behaviour and not just Aviation .

Galwayman · Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:56 pm

OA260 wrote:
dstc47 wrote:
Irish passenger on trial for mask related incident on a Delta service from Dublin.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0122/1275189-flight-mask/

Although this happened on 7 January, I cant recall it being mentioned.

Hopefully he gets the full 20 years and made serve it. Penalties need upped and fully enforced for anti social behaviour and not just Aviation .

Get a grip and stop being daft … 20 years for showing some reactionary peoples his bottom . Utter none sense . Ban him , fine him , humiliate him but let’s not pander to this reactionary rubbish …

People should be screened for common sense before being allowed to work on airlines ..,

OA260 · Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:21 pm

Galwayman wrote:
OA260 wrote:
dstc47 wrote:
Irish passenger on trial for mask related incident on a Delta service from Dublin.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0122/1275189-flight-mask/

Although this happened on 7 January, I cant recall it being mentioned.

Hopefully he gets the full 20 years and made serve it. Penalties need upped and fully enforced for anti social behaviour and not just Aviation .

Get a grip and stop being daft … 20 years for showing some reactionary peoples his bottom . Utter none sense . Ban him , fine him , humiliate him but let’s not pander to this reactionary rubbish …

People should be screened for common sense before being allowed to work on airlines ..,

20 years is mild to what he would get in the Middle East

Zero tolerance.

EI320 · Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:41 pm

20 years does seem utterly disproportionate.

A hefty fine, a few months behind bars and a blacklisting would seem more appropriate here. He doesn’t deserve to have his life taken from him as a result of some drunken antics. There’s no indication he’s a raging criminal beyond rehabilitation.

OA260 · Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:49 pm

EI320 wrote:
20 years does seem utterly disproportionate.

A hefty fine, a few months behind bars and a blacklisting would seem more appropriate here. He doesn’t deserve to have his life taken from him as a result of some drunken antics. There’s no indication he’s a raging criminal beyond rehabilitation.

From the article :

" He appeared before a judge in New York a week later and was charged with "intentionally assaulting and intimidating a member of a flight crew," according to a criminal complaint unsealed yesterday."

I don't think assault is drunken antics ? Everyone on that flight deserves to feel safe and thats why laws are in place specific to Aviation.

Eirules · Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:49 pm

EI320 wrote:
20 years does seem utterly disproportionate.

A hefty fine, a few months behind bars and a blacklisting would seem more appropriate here. He doesn’t deserve to have his life taken from him as a result of some drunken antics. There’s no indication he’s a raging criminal beyond rehabilitation.

I’d be inclined to agree. It was a bit cheeky. He was acting the arse. Some may say even being an asshole. But let’s not throw him to the bottom of the pile

IrishTexan · Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:53 pm

OA260 wrote:
dstc47 wrote:
Irish passenger on trial for mask related incident on a Delta service from Dublin.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0122/1275189-flight-mask/

Although this happened on 7 January, I cant recall it being mentioned.

Hopefully he gets the full 20 years and made serve it. Penalties need upped and fully enforced for anti social behaviour and not just Aviation .

His troubles will not end at a conviction. He will probably get added to the Federal No Fly list if some of the actions reported are true and accurate.
This account is more disturbing as it reports him squaring up to the pilot. Not a good choice to challenge or raise your fist to the pilot.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man ... 46844.html
Additionally, he will not have a pleasant time if sent to Federal prison.

IrishTexan · Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:04 pm

This story has developed some legs with US national media now giving it coverage.
Quotes from his social media don't indicate a high level of concern.

"In his Instagram profile McInerney describes himself as a sportsperson, former professional football player, coach and qualified personal trainer.
Reports suggest he was flying to the US to take a job teaching football at an academy in Daytona, Florida.
He shared a picture of himself at Daytona Beach, earlier this week, telling followers: "Great to be back in the sunshine state.
"Blessed to call this place home for the next few months."
McInerney appeared in court last week and has been released on bail."

Gallows humour or blissful ignorance?

OA260 · Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:53 pm

IrishTexan wrote:
OA260 wrote:
dstc47 wrote:
Irish passenger on trial for mask related incident on a Delta service from Dublin.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0122/1275189-flight-mask/

Although this happened on 7 January, I cant recall it being mentioned.

Hopefully he gets the full 20 years and made serve it. Penalties need upped and fully enforced for anti social behaviour and not just Aviation .

His troubles will not end at a conviction. He will probably get added to the Federal No Fly list if some of the actions reported are true and accurate.
This account is more disturbing as it reports him squaring up to the pilot. Not a good choice to challenge or raise your fist to the pilot.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man ... 46844.html
Additionally, he will not have a pleasant time if sent to Federal prison.

From the article :

" He also told the pilot not to touch him and put his fist near the pilot’s face, according to the complaint."

Really cant understand the apologists he deserves everything he gets . There is a big difference between having a bit of "craic " and threatening violence against the crew .

Galwayman · Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:56 pm

Calm down ladies, 20 years in prison threat from menopausal Americans is not the answer … and never had been

OA260 · Sat Jan 22, 2022 6:04 pm

Galwayman wrote:
Calm down ladies, 20 years in prison threat from menopausal Americans is not the answer … and never had been

Probably 20 years in a US jail then they will deport him back to Ireland .

Fliplot · Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:13 pm

The US justice system is unforgiving and unpredictable! What we call craic they call assault. It may well have been antics and certainly stupid but since 8/11 thw aviation laws have changed significantly. If I travel to the US now especially airports I never get angry or raise my voice even, no matter how right I might be in any given situation. It is simply a very different legal system.

Do we know what possessed him to be such an idiot?

tonystan · Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:16 pm

Personally I think anyone who acts the maggot on a plane deserves to have the book thrown at them but lets face it, just a quick look through his FB profile its very easy to see that one way or the other this chaps career ambitions are destroyed for good!

Even if he doesn’t serve a prison sentence he will most certainly be deported back to Ireland with a ban on re entry to the US which will have a hugely negative impact on his coaching career ambitions never mind the job he had intended to take up in Daytona.

What I don’t understand his how he already has pics up of himself chilling on the beach in Florida the day this was supposed to have happened! Maybe he got a little ahead of himself! Lol

Feckin eejit!

Eagleboy · Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:21 pm

Fliplot wrote:
...........................I remember when EI was the only option and we paid through the nose for that option.

You were travelling by air in the mid/late 1980s?

Fliplot wrote:
..........It seems that EI is the only one who does.not think it needs 100 seat jets. No doubt it is because of some agreement with IALPA - better to not fly at all rather than acquire some smaller hets.

Any proof to support this baseless claim?

Eagleboy · Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:31 pm

Duplicate post.

PhilipBass · Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:00 pm

The Mooner was reported on News today on German Radio.

flights from Dublin to Hahn which replaces Frankfurt are terribly timed.

Fliplot · Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:13 pm

Your point Eagleboy?
My first flight with Aer Lingus was in June 1968! Did you imagine Irish people didnt fly in the mid/late 1980?

That EI do not operate any 100 seat aircraft is the proof! And it is not that they wouldnt have access to some in the IAG group, there appears to be no interest!

Vicenza · Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:12 pm

Eagleboy wrote:
You were travelling by air in the mid/late 1980s?

What on earth are you talking about? I was traveling by air in the 1960's.......do you find that somehow unusual, or when do you actually think air travel began?

tonystan · Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:36 am

Is it me or is this thread becoming a tad toxic again? Lets keep it relevant and the snide remarks to each other off yeah?

Fliplot · Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:07 pm

Isn't that someone else's responsibility?
However it has to be possible to defend ones opinion! What is toxic about saying one flew before 1980? It is aviation related.

OA260 · Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:22 pm

A bit of a blow for the Aer Lingus staff .

Aer Lingus staff should accept pay freeze and cuts to roster payments, says Labour Court

https://m.independent.ie/business/aer-l ... 64234.html

EI321 · Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:26 am

Nice to see Delta using the A330-900 neo in DUB today.

OA260 · Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:37 am

Indeed it is someone got a pic of it over Howth

https://twitter.com/reevesyk1/status/14 ... 05760?s=21

IrishLessor · Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:34 am

tonystan wrote:
Is it me or is this thread becoming a tad toxic again? Lets keep it relevant and the snide remarks to each other off yeah?

Hi Tonystan, I'd be completely in agreement. Feels very toxic and I'm tired of the repetitive bashing of Aer Lingus by many who describe the ideal world where there should be x y z routes, aircraft type etc. The people who run the airline see the commercial end of it and do the best they have with what they have to work with. These have be horrific times. As somebody who relies on this industry for my livelihood, I look now to a better future.

I must say the monthly summary by Kaitak is excellent and relevant. Also some great contributions.

OA260 · Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:49 am

Due to the heavy snow in Istanbul all TK flights from DUB today and tomorrow are cancelled .

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Ireland raises concern about Russian naval exercises within its airspace

All civilian aircraft will be routed away from the area during the exercises.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland ... 47365.html

Concerns raised by the government over visitors from Russia!

iRISH251 · Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:11 pm

IrishLessor wrote:
tonystan wrote:
Is it me or is this thread becoming a tad toxic again? Lets keep it relevant and the snide remarks to each other off yeah?

Hi Tonystan, I'd be completely in agreement. Feels very toxic and I'm tired of the repetitive bashing of Aer Lingus by many who describe the ideal world where there should be x y z routes, aircraft type etc. The people who run the airline see the commercial end of it and do the best they have with what they have to work with. These have be horrific times. As somebody who relies on this industry for my livelihood, I look now to a better future.

Hear, hear.

EI321 · Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:30 pm

Does anyone know when the Saudi A340-200 is due to depart following a new paint job in Dublin?

OA260 · Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:06 pm

Some great fares with the Aer Lingus sale. Quite a few places €40 return all in . Great for a day trip or overnight.

Jambost · Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:51 pm

OA260 wrote:
Some great fares with the Aer Lingus sale. Quite a few places €40 return all in . Great for a day trip or overnight.

Indeed, booked myself a return to Munich for £70 return. Was hoping for a Luthansa experience but Aer Lingus timings and fares was just unbeatable.

PhilipBass · Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:20 pm

I booked a one way flight to Frankfurt. Had been waiting for it to drop on Ryanair but at 22 euro I bought the Aer Lingus flight while it was available.

IrishLessor · Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:34 pm

OA260 wrote:
Due to the heavy snow in Istanbul all TK flights from DUB today and tomorrow are cancelled .

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Ireland raises concern about Russian naval exercises within its airspace

All civilian aircraft will be routed away from the area during the exercises.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland ... 47365.html

Concerns raised by the government over visitors from Russia!

There seemed to be a TK Airbus 330 parked remotely , the snow may explain why.

OA260 · Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:03 pm

IrishLessor wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Due to the heavy snow in Istanbul all TK flights from DUB today and tomorrow are cancelled .

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Ireland raises concern about Russian naval exercises within its airspace

All civilian aircraft will be routed away from the area during the exercises.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland ... 47365.html

Concerns raised by the government over visitors from Russia!

There seemed to be a TK Airbus 330 parked remotely , the snow may explain why.

Yes the situation seems to have changed rapidly while the IST - DUB was close to landing at DUB .

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Ireland can play a leading role in the development of Sustainable Aviation Fuel (SAF)

https://irishtechnews.ie/ireland-leadin ... tion-fuel/

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As expected a lot of traffic on EI.com and at one point the App crashed .

DUBLIN, Jan 26 (Reuters) - Irish airline Aer Lingus on
Monday saw the most traffic on its website since the pandemic
began after the government's surprise decision to lift almost
all COVID-19 restrictions, a senior executive said on Wednesday.

https://www.lse.co.uk/news/aer-lingus-w ... jf4i2.html

OA260 · Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:51 am

The former CCO of Avolon has joined the board of Emerald among others .

Veteran aviation executives join board of Conor McCarthy’s Emerald Airlines

https://m.independent.ie/business/irish ... 82034.html

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PASSENGER NUMBERS at Shannon Airport increased by 8 percent last year but remain 78 percent less than 2019 figures.

https://www.clareecho.ie/shannon-airpor ... s-in-2021/

IrishTexan · Thu Jan 27, 2022 5:27 pm

I see EI are selling SNN-BOS and SNN-JFK from Mar.10 and 11 respectively, but the early morning SNN-LHR-SNN rotation (using one of the T/A aircraft) resumes on Mar.26 and wonder if this schedule is likely to operate as advertised. Looking forward to the return of the early morning SNN-LHR service as the timing is great for connections at LHR.
Curious why the early SNN-LHR would not return when the T/A ops restart, given that the equipment will be available. Would think EI would be chasing all possible revenue streams. Crew issues/shortages maybe?

nu · Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:30 pm

Sorry if I missed it but has TAP suspended Dublin flights for the summer season?

JAmie2k9 · Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:16 pm

nu wrote:
Sorry if I missed it but has TAP suspended Dublin flights for the summer season?

Flights are available currently.

IrishTexan wrote:
I see EI are selling SNN-BOS and SNN-JFK from Mar.10 and 11 respectively, but the early morning SNN-LHR-SNN rotation (using one of the T/A aircraft) resumes on Mar.26 and wonder if this schedule is likely to operate as advertised. Looking forward to the return of the early morning SNN-LHR service as the timing is great for connections at LHR.
Curious why the early SNN-LHR would not return when the T/A ops restart, given that the equipment will be available. Would think EI would be chasing all possible revenue streams. Crew issues/shortages maybe?

The early LHR times are at Belfast currently, return to SNN on 26th but they could do the 08.50 departure until then.

nu · Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:53 pm

JAmie2k9 wrote:
nu wrote:
Sorry if I missed it but has TAP suspended Dublin flights for the summer season?

Flights are available currently.

Can’t seem to get anything for 20 April or in may?

OA260 · Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:45 am

nu wrote:
Can’t seem to get anything for 20 April or in may?

They have slashed their schedule out of DUB for April and May with just some random dates and flights.
Its so random I cant even begin to post as its so erratic just like their refunds process from the last 18 months.

factsonly · Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:42 pm

EI321 wrote:
Is it possible TK are having financial difficulties due to the collapse of the Turkish currency? For example if they are paying for planes and fuel in USD then their costs will have doubled recently in those areas.

TK has larger dollar earnings than it has dollar costs, so the airline is actually making money by exchanging dollars into more and more Lira.

For details see the TK thread:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468609&p=23148469&hilit=turkish#p23148469

AmricanShamrok · Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:48 pm

And now for the (near) weekly KIR-DUB passenger load factor update (!); I flew on the FR6678 this morning with about 50 other passengers (26% pax load factor). I'm using this service a lot more since FR took it over and enjoying it while I can before they inevitably pull the plug. While I do feel a bit guilty about my carbon footprint, the time saving, convenience and price (I paid €25 for a weekend return trip) are unparalleled getting to and from the nation's capital.

PhilipBass · Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:02 pm

Who would want to get the train to Farranfore in comparisson to that. I'd expect there are fewer Unsociables on the plane than the train too.

BrianDromey · Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:20 pm

AmricanShamrok wrote:
And now for the (near) weekly KIR-DUB passenger load factor update (!); I flew on the FR6678 this morning with about 50 other passengers (26% pax load factor). I'm using this service a lot more since FR took it over and enjoying it while I can before they inevitably pull the plug. While I do feel a bit guilty about my carbon footprint, the time saving, convenience and price (I paid €25 for a weekend return trip) are unparalleled getting to and from the nation's capital.

I don't disagree with you - I used the ORK-DUB a fair amount when FR were running it. I think it was 4x daily at the peak and fares were often about €9.99. I did quite a few ORK-DUB-LBA's on Sunday evenings. This was around the time Pier D was being built and the Ryanair flights went from that collection of portakabins, which I think were accessed through the original terminal?
How do you find getting to your final destination though, I never found flying all that much quicker than the train from Cork? I guess if you are not bound for the city centre anyway, its less of an issue.

Clydenairways · Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:38 pm

nu wrote:
Sorry if I missed it but has TAP suspended Dublin flights for the summer season?

I always thought they had an over ambitious schedule including a costly night stop.

OA260 · Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm

For anyone wanting to take the risk a pretty historic low fare .

KIRFlyer · Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:49 pm

Looking for some advice. Relative of mine booked a saver fare with EI. Decided to cancel the whole flight very quickly after booking. Is there a 24 hour window from time of booking, where the person can cancel the booking and get a full refund? It's like a "cooling off period". Said relative, contacted EI and was told the "saver fare" was non-refundable. Case closed. Are they right?

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