Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

qf789 · Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:09 pm

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audidudi · Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:36 pm

Firat movement for 12 January 2022:

MSN 2003 Starlux Airlines F-WWCN/B-58301, second test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/2003

oldJoe · Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:16 am

audidudi wrote:
Firat movement for 12 January 2022:

MSN 2003 Starlux Airlines F-WWCN/B-58301, second test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/2003

And for the record this frame will be delivered next month plus three more this year.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4407246

MEA-707 · Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:46 am

I was surprised to see MSN 2007 (F-WWCL) also being for the French Air Force. The MRTTs have their own Line numbers, does anyone know what number/registration it will be?
The problem: MRTT047/F-UJCM is MSN 1998, MRTT048/F-UJCN is MSN 2008, MRTT049/F-UJCO is MSN 2011. It can't be MRTT050 because that one is used already for the Korean Air Force.

PM · Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:06 am

MEA-707 wrote:
I was surprised to see MSN 2007 (F-WWCL) also being for the French Air Force. The MRTTs have their own Line numbers, does anyone know what number/registration it will be?
The problem: MRTT047/F-UJCM is MSN 1998, MRTT048/F-UJCN is MSN 2008, MRTT049/F-UJCO is MSN 2011. It can't be MRTT050 because that one is used already for the Korean Air Force.

The MRTTs have their own Line numbers?

I'm not sure that's correct. I may be wrong, but I assumed the 041, 042 and so on used my the Armée de l'Air was just their own way of identifying planes. The ROKAF use 18-001, 19-002, 19-003, 19-004.

scbriml · Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:15 am

PM wrote:
MEA-707 wrote:
I was surprised to see MSN 2007 (F-WWCL) also being for the French Air Force. The MRTTs have their own Line numbers, does anyone know what number/registration it will be?
The problem: MRTT047/F-UJCM is MSN 1998, MRTT048/F-UJCN is MSN 2008, MRTT049/F-UJCO is MSN 2011. It can't be MRTT050 because that one is used already for the Korean Air Force.

The MRTTs have their own Line numbers?

I'm not sure that's correct. I may be wrong, but I assumed the 041, 042 and so on used my the Armée de l'Air was just their own way of identifying planes. The ROKAF use 18-001, 19-002, 19-003, 19-004.

Yes, the MRTTs have standard Airbus A330 construction numbers, but the are also assigned an "MRTT conversion serial number". The French Air Force uses the latter for the plane's registration once in service. So, FAF 041 is A330 c/n 1735 and MRTT041 (i.e. the 41st MRTT conversion).

I saw c/n 2007 when I visited TLS back in October. It was outside, but unpainted, so presumably fairly recently off the production line.

MEA-707 · Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:26 am

scbriml wrote:
PM wrote:
MEA-707 wrote:
I was surprised to see MSN 2007 (F-WWCL) also being for the French Air Force. The MRTTs have their own Line numbers, does anyone know what number/registration it will be?
The problem: MRTT047/F-UJCM is MSN 1998, MRTT048/F-UJCN is MSN 2008, MRTT049/F-UJCO is MSN 2011. It can't be MRTT050 because that one is used already for the Korean Air Force.

The MRTTs have their own Line numbers?

I'm not sure that's correct. I may be wrong, but I assumed the 041, 042 and so on used my the Armée de l'Air was just their own way of identifying planes. The ROKAF use 18-001, 19-002, 19-003, 19-004.

Yes, the MRTTs have standard Airbus A330 construction numbers, but the are also assigned an "MRTT conversion serial number". The French Air Force uses the latter for the plane's registration once in service. So, FAF 041 is A330 c/n 1735 and MRTT041 (i.e. the 41st MRTT conversion).

I saw c/n 2007 when I visited TLS back in October. It was outside, but unpainted, so presumably fairly recently off the production line.

Thanks for clarifying, Scbriml ! But one small correction, MRTT041 was not (necissairily) the 41st conversion. Comparible to Boeings MSN's they allocated blocks way in advance. That means they worked recently on MRTT049 for the French and MRTT060 for the Netherlands at the same time. MRTT050-053 were for Korea, 054-060 for the Netherlands. So perhaps 061-063 are for the French again.

PM · Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:33 am

MEA-707 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
PM wrote:
The MRTTs have their own Line numbers?

I'm not sure that's correct. I may be wrong, but I assumed the 041, 042 and so on used my the Armée de l'Air was just their own way of identifying planes. The ROKAF use 18-001, 19-002, 19-003, 19-004.

Yes, the MRTTs have standard Airbus A330 construction numbers, but the are also assigned an "MRTT conversion serial number". The French Air Force uses the latter for the plane's registration once in service. So, FAF 041 is A330 c/n 1735 and MRTT041 (i.e. the 41st MRTT conversion).

I saw c/n 2007 when I visited TLS back in October. It was outside, but unpainted, so presumably fairly recently off the production line.

Thanks for clarifying, Scbriml ! But one small correction, MRTT041 was not (necissairily) the 41st conversion. Comparible to Boeings MSN's they allocated blocks way in advance. That means they worked recently on MRTT049 for the French and MRTT060 for the Netherlands at the same time. MRTT050-053 were for Korea, 054-060 for the Netherlands. So perhaps 061-063 are for the French again.

Thank you both. I didn't know about the numbering system for MRTTs. But, clearly, they are not converted in numerical order.

Is there a place where I can find which number goes with which frame?

MEA-707 · Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:37 am

they are mentioned on www.airlinerlist.com and www.planespotters.net

PM · Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:58 am

MEA-707 wrote:
they are mentioned on http://www.airlinerlist.com and http://www.planespotters.net

Ah, thanks!

scbriml · Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:33 am

MEA-707 wrote:
But one small correction, MRTT041 was not (necissairily) the 41st conversion. Comparible to Boeings MSN's they allocated blocks way in advance.

Thanks for the additional information, appreciated.

GCT64 · Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:54 am

scbriml wrote:
PM wrote:
I'm not sure that's correct. I may be wrong, but I assumed the 041, 042 and so on used my the Armée de l'Air was just their own way of identifying planes. The ROKAF use 18-001, 19-002, 19-003, 19-004.

Yes, the MRTTs have standard Airbus A330 construction numbers, but the are also assigned an "MRTT conversion serial number". The French Air Force uses the latter for the plane's registration once in service. So, FAF 041 is A330 c/n 1735 and MRTT041 (i.e. the 41st MRTT conversion).

I saw c/n 2007 when I visited TLS back in October. It was outside, but unpainted, so presumably fairly recently off the production line.

The AdlA (or as it should be now: Armée de l'Air et de l'Espace (AAE)) traditionally use construction numbers as their aircraft serial number, however this seems to be a little flexible and open to variation.
So, in line with previous practice, A330MRTT "043" might easily have been given the serial "1916" but it seems in this instance that the AdlA have used the MRTT conversion serial number as the basis for their serial number.

papatango · Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:47 pm

Have any of the AirAsia 330neos been delivered?

Polot · Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:04 pm

papatango wrote:
Have any of the AirAsia 330neos been delivered?

None, at least to AirAsia. The two A330neos AirAsia X operated were from lessors and not their direct order.

flee · Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:03 am

Polot wrote:
papatango wrote:
Have any of the AirAsia 330neos been delivered?

None, at least to AirAsia. The two A330neos AirAsia X operated were from lessors and not their direct order.

HS-XJA (MSN1901) and HS-XJB(MSN1903) were originally for WoW and are leased from Avolon.

Several of Airasia X's order book frames were in various stages of construction for 2020-2021 delivery but were NTU. They are now going to Condor (MSN1966/1971/1972) and Cebu Pacific (MSN1970/1973/1976).

audidudi · Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:53 pm

Latest movement for 14 January 2022:

MSN 1952 A339 AZUL Linhas Aereas Brasileiras F-WWYO/PR-ANV, eleventh test and first customer acceptance flight at TLS (this frame was Delivered on Contract on 18 December 2020!):

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/1952

Aircellist · Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:36 pm

audidudi wrote:
Latest movement for 14 January 2022:

MSN 1952 A339 AZUL Linhas Aereas Brasileiras F-WWYO/PR-ANV, eleventh test and first customer acceptance flight at TLS (this frame was Delivered on Contract on 18 December 2020!):

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/1952

I believe it is the first time I read in your reports (or everywhere else, to be honest) that an airplane is delivered, even only "on contract", before customer acceptance flights! How come?

audidudi · Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:14 pm

Aircellist wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Latest movement for 14 January 2022:

MSN 1952 A339 AZUL Linhas Aereas Brasileiras F-WWYO/PR-ANV, eleventh test and first customer acceptance flight at TLS (this frame was Delivered on Contract on 18 December 2020!):

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/1952

I believe it is the first time I read in your reports (or everywhere else, to be honest) that an airplane is delivered, even only "on contract", before customer acceptance flights! How come?

I agree. I don't know any details of what happened with this frame. Planespotters.net also confirms the "Delivered on Contract" date.

oldJoe · Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:53 pm

audidudi wrote:
Aircellist wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Latest movement for 14 January 2022:

MSN 1952 A339 AZUL Linhas Aereas Brasileiras F-WWYO/PR-ANV, eleventh test and first customer acceptance flight at TLS (this frame was Delivered on Contract on 18 December 2020!):

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/1952

I believe it is the first time I read in your reports (or everywhere else, to be honest) that an airplane is delivered, even only "on contract", before customer acceptance flights! How come?

I agree. I don't know any details of what happened with this frame. Planespotters.net also confirms the "Delivered on Contract" date.

This bird was delivered on contract to Avolon over a year ago and not direct to Azul and went into storage. If Azul want to accept the aircraft now of course they will check it and thus the CAF I guess

audidudi · Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:15 pm

oldJoe wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Aircellist wrote:

I believe it is the first time I read in your reports (or everywhere else, to be honest) that an airplane is delivered, even only "on contract", before customer acceptance flights! How come?

I agree. I don't know any details of what happened with this frame. Planespotters.net also confirms the "Delivered on Contract" date.

This bird was delivered on contract to Avolon over a year ago and not direct to Azul and went into storage. If Azul want to accept the aircraft now of course they will check it and thus the CAF I guess

And while in storage at CHR, she did two test flights, then ferried back to TLS, did one test flight at TLS, then ferried back to CHR, then ferried back to TLS, all in the last 12 months.

Aircellist · Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:23 pm

audidudi wrote:
oldJoe wrote:
audidudi wrote:
I agree. I don't know any details of what happened with this frame. Planespotters.net also confirms the "Delivered on Contract" date.

This bird was delivered on contract to Avolon over a year ago and not direct to Azul and went into storage. If Azul want to accept the aircraft now of course they will check it and thus the CAF I guess

And while in storage at CHR, she did two test flights, then ferried back to TLS, did one test flight at TLS, then ferried back to CHR, then ferried back to TLS, all in the last 12 months.

All makes sense now. Thanks a lot! :-)

audidudi · Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:10 pm

Latest movements for 19 January 2022:

MSN 1958 Garuda Indonesia A339 F-WWYP/PK-GHH, ferried from CHR>TLS after storage:

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/1958

MSN 2003 Starlux Airlines A339 F-WWCN/B-58301, third test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/2003

MSN 2005 Kuwait Airways A339 F-WWKU/9K-APH, sixteenth test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/2005

JerseyFlyer · Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:21 pm

Is MSN 2005 a -900 or -800?

mjoelnir · Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:41 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
Is MSN 2005 a -900 or -800?

MSN 2005 is actually an A330-800. Kuwait Airways has no A330-900 on order.

audidudi · Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:13 am

mjoelnir wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
Is MSN 2005 a -900 or -800?

MSN 2005 is actually an A330-800. Kuwait Airways has no A330-900 on order.

Correct...my mistake!

audidudi · Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:43 pm

Latest movements for 20 January 2022:

MSN 1959 Garuda Indonesia A339 F-WWCD/PK-GHI, ferried from CHR>TLS after storage:

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/1959

MSN 2005 Kuwait Airways A338 F-WWKU/9K-APH, seventeenth and eighteenth test flights at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/2005

audidudi · Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:52 pm

Latest movements for 21 January 2022:

MSN 1952 AZUL Linhas Aereas Brasileiras A339 F-WWYO/F-WTAM/PR-ANV, spotted at TLS with a new registration:

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/1952

MSN 1994 Delta Air Lines A339 F-WWCZ/N412DX, taxi check and RTO at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/1994

audidudi · Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:10 am

Latest movements for 24 January 2022:

MSN 1994 Delta Air Lines A339 F-WWCZ/N412DX, maiden test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/1994

MSN 2005 Kuwait Airways A338 F-WWKU/9K-APH, nineteenth test flight at TLS (probably a record for test flights!):

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/2005

bspc · Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:12 pm

audidudi wrote:
MSN 2005 Kuwait Airways A338 F-WWKU/9K-APH, nineteenth test flight at TLS (probably a record for test flights!):

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/2005

I always thought that MSN 2005 was actually some sort of test aircraft prior to delivery, no?

audidudi · Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:07 pm

bspc wrote:
audidudi wrote:
MSN 2005 Kuwait Airways A338 F-WWKU/9K-APH, nineteenth test flight at TLS (probably a record for test flights!):

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/2005

I always thought that MSN 2005 was actually some sort of test aircraft prior to delivery, no?

The prototype is MSN 1888, with reg F-WWTO. If you click on the photo top left in this FR24 link, you will see that she has been parked since at least Sept 2020. I have no idea if MSN 2005 has been used since August 3 2021 (her maiden test flight) as a test aircraft, or even why Airbus chose to park F-WWTO. And MSN 2005 had its twentieth test flight today!

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-wtto

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/2005

Wildlander · Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:49 pm

Probably a "marriage of convenience" in that Kuwait likely have no pressing need to take delivery and Airbus does not want to expend resources on reactivating MSN1888 for what may be a limited series of additional test flights. I don't recall if MSN2005 has been through cabin outfitting but if so, this may be of value in whatever is being tested.

PM · Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:29 pm

I don't know if I'm being excessively pedantic (probably) but we don't really use the term "prototype" any more, do we? Back in the day, a prototype bore quite a resemblance to what eventually went into production but was significantly distinct.

Think the BAe EAP.

https://www.google.com.na/search?q=bae+ ... q0ao2Kt7AM

For a few decades now, the first version of a commercial airliner to fly has been more or less the finished version.

For example, the first ever 777 to fly later entered service with Cathay Pacific.

So, MSN 1888 may be the first A330-800 but I'd hardly call it a prototype.

Aircellist · Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:45 pm

PM wrote:
I don't know if I'm being excessively pedantic (probably) but we don't really use the term "prototype" any more, do we? Back in the day, a prototype bore quite a resemblance to what eventually went into production but was significantly distinct.

Think the BAe EAP.

https://www.google.com.na/search?q=bae+ ... q0ao2Kt7AM

For a few decades now, the first version of a commercial airliner to fly has been more or less the finished version.

For example, the first ever 777 to fly later entered service with Cathay Pacific.

So, MSN 1888 may be the first A330-800 but I'd hardly call it a prototype.

If I may jump in the pedantic train… Prototype, etymologically, means first of one kind, so I believe it is still correct to use it. However, it is true that what is covered by the term has changed a lot since, say, Concorde's time.

Back to topic :-)

Devilfish · Tue Jan 25, 2022 7:01 pm

audidudi wrote:
And MSN 2005 had its twentieth test flight today!

What's the issue with this frame? Might the unusually high number of test flights have anything to do with A338 certification requirements for the previously bruited 251T HGW version :?:

bspc · Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:58 pm

Devilfish wrote:
audidudi wrote:
And MSN 2005 had its twentieth test flight today!

What's the issue with this frame? Might the unusually high number of test flights have anything to do with A338 certification requirements for the previously bruited 251T HGW version

I'm pretty sure that is the case.

Devilfish · Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:32 pm

bspc wrote:
I'm pretty sure that is the case.

Aah so...Boeing announces the increased gross weight 787-10 and Airbus follows suit with their heavier A338 variant? Nice tit-for-tat...makes sense too doing it with a more representative serial production frame. :thumbsup:

audidudi · Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:58 pm

Latest spotted frame for 23 January 2022:

MSN 2006 Starlux Airlines A339 F-WWYU/B-xxxxx, spotted at TLS in full c/s:

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/2006

audidudi · Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:23 pm

Latest movement for 27 January 2022:

MSN 2005 Kuwait Airways A338 F-WWKU/9K-APH, twenty first test flight at TLS! (I really wonder what's going on here...I think you might be on to something "Devilfish" in reply #34!):

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/2005

Devilfish · Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:14 pm

audidudi wrote:
MSN 2005 Kuwait Airways A338 F-WWKU/9K-APH, twenty first test flight at TLS! (I really wonder what's going on here...I think you might be on to something "Devilfish" in reply #34!):

If I were, Airbus is (major problem aside) being overly meticulous with it. KU doesn't strike me as an airline who would want an A338 with that much uplift capacity or range. So I'm very curious who the first batch of certified 251T frames would be for? :scratchchin:

audidudi · Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:42 pm

Latest movement for 27 January 2022:

MSN 1952 AZUL Linhas Aereas Brasileiras A339 F-WWTO/F-WTAM/PR-ANV?, delivered from TLS>LDE:

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/1952

Grizzly410 · Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:49 pm

Devilfish wrote:
audidudi wrote:
MSN 2005 Kuwait Airways A338 F-WWKU/9K-APH, twenty first test flight at TLS! (I really wonder what's going on here...I think you might be on to something "Devilfish" in reply #34!):

If I were, Airbus is (major problem aside) being overly meticulous with it. KU doesn't strike me as an airline who would want an A338 with that much uplift capacity or range. So I'm very curious who the first batch of certified 251T frames would be for?

Just guessing
It could have the physical capacity and perform certif flight but not being delivered certified for it ?
Like KU just accepted their frame being used for flight testing for some commercial arrangment.

lagdroid · Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:00 pm

Is the first VS frame due this year or next?

audidudi · Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:09 pm

Latest movement for 28 January 2022:

MSN 2005 Kuwait Airways A338 F-WWKU/9K-APH, twenty second test flight at TLS, (and they continue!):

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/2005

Devilfish · Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:42 pm

audidudi wrote:
MSN 2005 Kuwait Airways A338 F-WWKU/9K-APH, twenty second test flight at TLS, (and they continue!):

And not even a peep from KU that they're switching the balance of their A338 order to the higher gross MTOW!

audidudi · Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:45 am

Latest movements for 1 February 2022:

MSN 1994 Delta Air Lines A339 F-WWCZ/N412DX, second test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/1994

MSN 2005 Kuwait Airways A338 F-WWKU/9K-APH, twenty third test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/2005

Breathe · Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:38 pm

audidudi wrote:
Latest movements for 1 February 2022:

MSN 2005 Kuwait Airways A338 F-WWKU/9K-APH, twenty third test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/2005

I don't think Airbus are testing this plane enough. :mrgreen:

Devilfish · Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:08 pm

Breathe wrote:
I don't think Airbus are testing this plane enough.

I'm beginning to wonder if Airbus were pitching it for a major freighter tender...or even more shocking - partnering with LM and RR to substitute the type for the tanker competition... :shock:

mjoelnir · Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:14 pm

Breathe wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Latest movements for 1 February 2022:

MSN 2005 Kuwait Airways A338 F-WWKU/9K-APH, twenty third test flight at TLS:

https://aibfamily.flights/A330/2005

I don't think Airbus are testing this plane enough.

used as test frame for 251 t MTOW.

Breathe · Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:26 pm

Devilfish wrote:
Breathe wrote:
I don't think Airbus are testing this plane enough.

I'm beginning to wonder if Airbus were pitching it for a major freighter tender...or even more shocking - partnering with LM and RR to substitute the type for the tanker competition...

LM - Loganair?! :confused:

Devilfish · Fri Feb 04, 2022 5:00 pm

Breathe wrote:
LM - Loganair?!

LockMart if that was too vague..... :cheerful:

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