Bert65 wrote:

Two deliveries around 01-01-2022:

flydubai MAX 8: A6-FMN (MSN 60989/7861): 31 Dec - 02 Jan BFI-SNN-AMM FZ9657
Copa Airlines MAX 9: HP9914CMP (MSN 60989/7861): 01 Jan BFI-SJO CM9914

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:

Is Boeing altering their production line as they are not making any of the SWA MAX7 frames yet? Meaning, Boeing may be producing MAX8 and MAX9 frames before originally scheduled? Then IF the MAX7 ever gets certified, Boeing can make a big run of MAX7s in a row since they would be ahead on other MAX?

TravelForum wrote:

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:

Is Boeing altering their production line as they are not making any of the SWA MAX7 frames yet? Meaning, Boeing may be producing MAX8 and MAX9 frames before originally scheduled? Then IF the MAX7 ever gets certified, Boeing can make a big run of MAX7s in a row since they would be ahead on other MAX?

The MAX7 will get certified. I’m not sure why you are saying ‘if’.

I do not know about altering any production line numbers.

DenverTed wrote:

What is the production rate for the year?

DenverTed wrote:

TravelForum wrote:

DaCubbyBearBar wrote:

Is Boeing altering their production line as they are not making any of the SWA MAX7 frames yet? Meaning, Boeing may be producing MAX8 and MAX9 frames before originally scheduled? Then IF the MAX7 ever gets certified, Boeing can make a big run of MAX7s in a row since they would be ahead on other MAX?

The MAX7 will get certified. I’m not sure why you are saying ‘if’.

I do not know about altering any production line numbers.

If the production slots are not delayed, one would assume the WN MAX7 are in production the first months of this year, and will be stored somewhere until certification.

RobertoMugabe wrote:

DenverTed wrote:

What is the production rate for the year?

31 per month until late 2Q, ramp to 39 then, aiming for 42 by year end, and jump to 49/52 by 2023. Contigent on Chinese MAX acceptance rate, could be higher, could be lower.

RobertoMugabe wrote:

DenverTed wrote:

What is the production rate for the year?

31 per month until late 2Q, ramp to 39 then, aiming for 42 by year end, and jump to 49/52 by 2023. Contigent on Chinese MAX acceptance rate, could be higher, could be lower.

RobK wrote:

DenverTed wrote:

TravelForum wrote:

The MAX7 will get certified. I’m not sure why you are saying ‘if’.

I do not know about altering any production line numbers.

If the production slots are not delayed, one would assume the WN MAX7 are in production the first months of this year, and will be stored somewhere until certification.

There are 7 existing frames to prep and deliver first. The first new build is not until close to LN 8300 and then they will be coming in quick succession. I doubt 8300 will see daylight before next autumn at the current production rate.

There could be some changes happening in the firing order if China don't accept the Max within the next couple of months as there's a lot of Chinese coming down the line and I doubt Boeing will want to add to the existing 100+ frame backlog. And then there's Russia playing the same 'politics' game, affecting 17 existing frames and a further 9 upcoming.

MEA-707 wrote:

RobertoMugabe wrote:

DenverTed wrote:

What is the production rate for the year?

31 per month until late 2Q, ramp to 39 then, aiming for 42 by year end, and jump to 49/52 by 2023. Contigent on Chinese MAX acceptance rate, could be higher, could be lower.

They are not even close to 31 now, more like building 10 new ones per month. They delivered 33 in December 2021, the best figure since march 2019, but half of these were frames built earlier, some more than 2 years ago.

DenverTed wrote:

RobK wrote:

DenverTed wrote:

If the production slots are not delayed, one would assume the WN MAX7 are in production the first months of this year, and will be stored somewhere until certification.

There are 7 existing frames to prep and deliver first. The first new build is not until close to LN 8300 and then they will be coming in quick succession. I doubt 8300 will see daylight before next autumn at the current production rate.

There could be some changes happening in the firing order if China don't accept the Max within the next couple of months as there's a lot of Chinese coming down the line and I doubt Boeing will want to add to the existing 100+ frame backlog. And then there's Russia playing the same 'politics' game, affecting 17 existing frames and a further 9 upcoming.

Thanks. Any idea how many MAX have rolled out the door and what line number rolled out most recently?

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

DenverTed wrote:

RobK wrote:

There are 7 existing frames to prep and deliver first. The first new build is not until close to LN 8300 and then they will be coming in quick succession. I doubt 8300 will see daylight before next autumn at the current production rate.

There could be some changes happening in the firing order if China don't accept the Max within the next couple of months as there's a lot of Chinese coming down the line and I doubt Boeing will want to add to the existing 100+ frame backlog. And then there's Russia playing the same 'politics' game, affecting 17 existing frames and a further 9 upcoming.

Thanks. Any idea how many MAX have rolled out the door and what line number rolled out most recently?

Taking number from Woodys Aeroimages (brilliant site btw), 737-max.blogspot.com, updated till December 2021

Total Manufactured / Delivered by Model:
B737-MAX7: 7 : 0
B737-MAX8: 861 : 535
B737MAX8-200 66 : 41
B737-MAX9: 93 : 75
B737MAX-10: 3 : 0

Delivery Number by Year vs Total Manufactured:
2017: 74 : 93
2018: 250 : 301
2019: 57 : 447
2020: 28 : 35
2021: 242 : 155
Total: 651 Delivered : 1031 Manufactured
Source: https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 94/photo/1

Current latest B737MAX caught in photo by same author was MSN 8182, destine for S7 Airlines: https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 90/photo/1

Boeing official website is reporting 627 B737MAX delivered till end of November 2021. https://www.boeing.com/commercial/

DeltaBoi787 wrote:

RobertoMugabe wrote:

DenverTed wrote:

What is the production rate for the year?

31 per month until late 2Q, ramp to 39 then, aiming for 42 by year end, and jump to 49/52 by 2023. Contigent on Chinese MAX acceptance rate, could be higher, could be lower.

Source?

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

MEA-707 wrote:

RobertoMugabe wrote:

31 per month until late 2Q, ramp to 39 then, aiming for 42 by year end, and jump to 49/52 by 2023. Contigent on Chinese MAX acceptance rate, could be higher, could be lower.

They are not even close to 31 now, more like building 10 new ones per month. They delivered 33 in December 2021, the best figure since march 2019, but half of these were frames built earlier, some more than 2 years ago.

Seems like what DenverTed said is correct. According to The Air Current, the current average production rate is 31 per month, and according to Vice President of Spirit Manufacturing Adam Pogue, Boeing is planning to ramp up to 42 units per month by end of 2022. Before its grounding, Boeing was doing on average 57 per month.

https://theaircurrent.com/aircraft-prod ... ax-output/
https://www.kake.com/story/45394454/boe ... on-in-2022

RobK wrote:

Only 1 got built. The other 4 LNs won't be built. Unlikely to be going to VJC now but no confo.

MrHMSH wrote:

RobK wrote:

Only 1 got built. The other 4 LNs won't be built. Unlikely to be going to VJC now but no confo.

Wow, quite surprised by that. For a carrier that's struggling could they even afford to drop any/all of that order?

And does anyone know where that solitary VJ MAX is?

ikolkyo wrote:

TUI MAX 8, G-TUML has been delivered.
TK MAX 8, TC-LCI has been delivered.

MEA-707 wrote:

N929AK (43322) was delivered to Alaska Airlines on 28 dec 2021 but the LN is still not known, quite strange considering it's a decent airline and so. Anyone knows anything? Could it be LN8139, that's the only LN between 8099 and 8155 unaccounted for? Or 8156? Or an older frame?

ikolkyo wrote:

MEA-707 wrote:

N929AK (43322) was delivered to Alaska Airlines on 28 dec 2021 but the LN is still not known, quite strange considering it's a decent airline and so. Anyone knows anything? Could it be LN8139, that's the only LN between 8099 and 8155 unaccounted for? Or 8156? Or an older frame?

Interesting, going to need a shot of its manufacturer plate to settle it. It appears N931AK's LN is also unknown.

gr8slvrflt wrote:

Anyone have a clue when the Max 7 might be certified? Is there a particular issue or is the process just that more complicated now?

SXDFC wrote:

Is the MAX10 in the same boat as the MAX7 with regards to the certification holding pattern?

Meanwhile Boeing is making "large" changes to the flight control systems on the in-development 737 Max 10, but they won’t affect the flight deck displays or the commonality among the Max variants, he said.

“The regulators asked us to look at the [flight control system] architecture to have more dissimilarities in some of components, to make them less susceptible to a common error” that could result from a common manufacturing flaw in two or three components, he said. In the event the automated system erroneously triggers a stick shaker, pilots can quickly shut off the system’s control. Boeing will also put more monitors on the airplane to “catch any anomalous situations.”

Whiteguy wrote:

ikolkyo wrote:

MEA-707 wrote:

N929AK (43322) was delivered to Alaska Airlines on 28 dec 2021 but the LN is still not known, quite strange considering it's a decent airline and so. Anyone knows anything? Could it be LN8139, that's the only LN between 8099 and 8155 unaccounted for? Or 8156? Or an older frame?

Interesting, going to need a shot of its manufacturer plate to settle it. It appears N931AK's LN is also unknown.

N931AK shows as LN 8152….

LN8139 is showing a BBJ -7

ikolkyo wrote:

Whiteguy wrote:

ikolkyo wrote:

Interesting, going to need a shot of its manufacturer plate to settle it. It appears N931AK's LN is also unknown.

N931AK shows as LN 8152….

LN8139 is showing a BBJ -7

Got a source? Can't find that anywhere

MEA-707 wrote:

N929AK (43322) was delivered to Alaska Airlines on 28 dec 2021 but the LN is still not known, quite strange considering it's a decent airline and so. Anyone knows anything? Could it be LN8139, that's the only LN between 8099 and 8155 unaccounted for? Or 8156? Or an older frame?

RobK wrote:

ikolkyo wrote:

Whiteguy wrote:

N931AK shows as LN 8152….

LN8139 is showing a BBJ -7

Got a source? Can't find that anywhere

I can confirm the details for both, but no publicly available source to give you I'm afraid.

WoodysAeroimag wrote:

MrHMSH wrote:

RobK wrote:

Only 1 got built. The other 4 LNs won't be built. Unlikely to be going to VJC now but no confo.

Wow, quite surprised by that. For a carrier that's struggling could they even afford to drop any/all of that order?

And does anyone know where that solitary VJ MAX is?

Stored at RNT

7859 737-8 200 Vietjet Air by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

WoodysAeroimag wrote:

MrHMSH wrote:

Wow, quite surprised by that. For a carrier that's struggling could they even afford to drop any/all of that order?

And does anyone know where that solitary VJ MAX is?

Stored at RNT

7859 737-8 200 Vietjet Air by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

The delivery may have to be delayed for 6 to 12 months due to Civil Aviation Authority of Vietnam's importation process following the recent ban lift in Vietnam. https://www.aerotime.aero/27458-vietnam ... n-progress

Sometime ago Vietjet was considering to cancel the order as well as Boeing was unable to deliver the jet as promised, not sure how the discussion turned out. https://vir.com.vn/local-airlines-recon ... 66596.html, https://vir.com.vn/vietjets-20-billion- ... 72531.html

Yakamoz wrote:

Is there any official paper that TK cancelled the 40 737 Max options? Or is it automatically cancelled because it had a due date Dec 21, 2021?
Seems like TC-LCI was the last Max which was delivered to TK.

BobLoblah wrote:

Hello fellow enthusiasts.

Boeing's Dec 2021 deliveries lists one 737 Max delivered to AerCap and another to CBD aviation. I think these most likely correspond to line# 7608 / MSN 60715 delivered to GOL Airlines and Line # 8157 / MSN 44175 delivered to COPA, but it is unclear which is which. My best guess is that the GOL frame delivered to AerCap. MSN 60715 appears to be a part of a block of MSNs delivered to GECAS, and AerCap bought GECAS, but a couple things don't quite match up. One is that GOL issued a press release indicating this MSN is leased through Avolon (Boeing lists no MAX deliveries to Avolon last year). Another is that the AerCap delivery was from their Jun 2015 order (the number of unfilled orders from that order decreased by 1 between the Nov and Dec updates), not from an order originally from GECAS.

Does anyone have insight into this?\

Thanks!

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:

Yakamoz wrote:

Is there any official paper that TK cancelled the 40 737 Max options? Or is it automatically cancelled because it had a due date Dec 21, 2021?
Seems like TC-LCI was the last Max which was delivered to TK.

Haven't heard Turkish Airlines firming up those 40 737 Max option before the due date. If they did, they were required to inform local Securities Commission. Suffice to say they are all cancelled.

MD80MKE wrote:

BobLoblah wrote:

Hello fellow enthusiasts.

Boeing's Dec 2021 deliveries lists one 737 Max delivered to AerCap and another to CBD aviation. I think these most likely correspond to line# 7608 / MSN 60715 delivered to GOL Airlines and Line # 8157 / MSN 44175 delivered to COPA, but it is unclear which is which. My best guess is that the GOL frame delivered to AerCap. MSN 60715 appears to be a part of a block of MSNs delivered to GECAS, and AerCap bought GECAS, but a couple things don't quite match up. One is that GOL issued a press release indicating this MSN is leased through Avolon (Boeing lists no MAX deliveries to Avolon last year). Another is that the AerCap delivery was from their Jun 2015 order (the number of unfilled orders from that order decreased by 1 between the Nov and Dec updates), not from an order originally from GECAS.

Does anyone have insight into this?\

Thanks!

No the December Aercap delivery was for Caribbean 9Y-JAM. Those got ferried to ATS at PAE after delivery on paper for cabin outfitting.
The CDB delivery for GOL was PR-XMV which has tap number 823 which is part of the CDB block.
PR-XMJ was delivered to GOL from Boeing's official O&D sheet but Avolon announced on their twitter that the delivered PR-XMJ, so that's likely a sale & lease back.

Avgeek21 wrote:

flydubai 737 MAX 8, A6-FMW, delivered today to Amman via Shannon. FZ9741
https://fr24.com/FDB9741/2a8f8094

Another 18 to go in 2022.

Western727 wrote:

Avgeek21 wrote:

flydubai 737 MAX 8, A6-FMW, delivered today to Amman via Shannon. FZ9741
https://fr24.com/FDB9741/2a8f8094

Another 18 to go in 2022.

AMM? Why not DXB, out of curiosity?