Any idea about the state of the fuselage backlog at Spirit?

ikolkyo wrote:

Any idea about the state of the fuselage backlog at Spirit?

Good question. The military P-8s run so much ahead. Friday 8 april we saw LN 9257 for the US Navy/170015 already flying. Does that mean that all the earlier fuselage numbers, potentially about 1000, are already piling up at Spirit? Or is it just a paperwork issue that they allocated LN 9257 to a P-8 long before the production hick ups and grounding? I would expect that they would allocate the newest P-8s in a block, say LN9257-9285, as a way the civil production can catch up in the mean time.

Scoreboard wrote:

WoodysAeroimag wrote:

masonite wrote:

8268, 8270 and 8280 were sitting on the train at the BNSF yard in North Kansas City, MO this afternoon.

Those are 3 of the 5 that were returned to Spirit about a week or so back.

Chinese Carriers
8268 CSN
8270 CDG
8280 CDG

Do you know the line numbers for the other two, or any others?
Have they been returned for storage until Chinese deliveries start again?

8266 CZN is one of the other 2 returned. We are unclear what the 5th was. There is a a lot of speculation that they are being returned for storage or to get renumber to a later line number. We have seen other fuses arrive in Seattle over the last year and only to have them returned to Spirit. The examples of those are early LN 79xx block.

Below are the 100 frames from the 7900-8098 range that are missing and stored elsewhere . None of the have entered final assembly at Renton and most are in a unknown status as to their fate.

7905
7906
7907
7908
7910
7912
7914
7920
7921
7924
7925
7930
7932
7933
7936
7939
7940
7941
7950
7952
7954
7955
7956
7958
7962
7963
7964
7966
7968
7969
7970
7973
7974
7977
7978
7979
7980
7981
7983
7985
7986
7987
7989
7993
7995
7997
8004
8005
8007
8008
8010
8011
8012
8015
8017
8018
8022
8027
8028
8029
8030
8031
8032
8037
8039
8041
8045
8046
8048
8049
8050
8053
8055
8056
8057
8058
8059
8060
8061
8062
8064
8067
8068
8070
8074
8078
8079
8080
8081
8083
8084
8085
8086
8088
8089
8093
8095
8096
8097
8098

Does anyone know from where the Smartlynx 737MAX order comes from? Does it have anything to do with TUI's frames?

WoodysAeroimag wrote:

Scoreboard wrote:

WoodysAeroimag wrote:

Those are 3 of the 5 that were returned to Spirit about a week or so back.

Chinese Carriers
8268 CSN
8270 CDG
8280 CDG

Do you know the line numbers for the other two, or any others?
Have they been returned for storage until Chinese deliveries start again?

8266 CZN is one of the other 2 returned. We are unclear what the 5th was. There is a a lot of speculation that they are being returned for storage or to get renumber to a later line number. We have seen other fuses arrive in Seattle over the last year and only to have them returned to Spirit. The examples of those are early LN 79xx block.

Below are the 100 frames from the 7900-8098 range that are missing and stored elsewhere . None of the have entered final assembly at Renton and most are in a unknown status as to their fate.

7905
7906
7907
7908
7910
7912
7914
7920
7921
7924
7925
7930
7932
7933
7936
7939
7940
7941
7950
7952
7954
7955
7956
7958
7962
7963
7964
7966
7968
7969
7970
7973
7974
7977
7978
7979
7980
7981
7983
7985
7986
7987
7989
7993
7995
7997
8004
8005
8007
8008
8010
8011
8012
8015
8017
8018
8022
8027
8028
8029
8030
8031
8032
8037
8039
8041
8045
8046
8048
8049
8050
8053
8055
8056
8057
8058
8059
8060
8061
8062
8064
8067
8068
8070
8074
8078
8079
8080
8081
8083
8084
8085
8086
8088
8089
8093
8095
8096
8097
8098

Thanks for this information
I had
7907 msn 43569 for GOL as PR-XMS and that the fuselage was damaged but has been repaired and back in production
7921 msn 62887 for Smartwings as OK-SWV
7958 msn 62885 for Smartwings as OK-SWU
7964 msn 62886 for Smartwings as OK-SWX
I guess these should, at best, be considered as "paused" !
Probably many of them are among the fuselages illustrated in this article https://www.investing.com/news/stock-ma ... on-2045919 from a couple of years ago.

8058 is msn 62892 and is in service with Caribbean AL as 9Y-ANT

MEA-707 wrote:

ikolkyo wrote:

Any idea about the state of the fuselage backlog at Spirit?

Good question. The military P-8s run so much ahead. Friday 8 april we saw LN 9257 for the US Navy/170015 already flying. Does that mean that all the earlier fuselage numbers, potentially about 1000, are already piling up at Spirit? Or is it just a paperwork issue that they allocated LN 9257 to a P-8 long before the production hick ups and grounding? I would expect that they would allocate the newest P-8s in a block, say LN9257-9285, as a way the civil production can catch up in the mean time.

I have a hard time seeing that many fuselages in storage, they must have just allocated them well ahead.

Scoreboard wrote:

WoodysAeroimag wrote:

Scoreboard wrote:

Do you know the line numbers for the other two, or any others?
Have they been returned for storage until Chinese deliveries start again?

8266 CZN is one of the other 2 returned. We are unclear what the 5th was. There is a a lot of speculation that they are being returned for storage or to get renumber to a later line number. We have seen other fuses arrive in Seattle over the last year and only to have them returned to Spirit. The examples of those are early LN 79xx block.

Below are the 100 frames from the 7900-8098 range that are missing and stored elsewhere . None of the have entered final assembly at Renton and most are in a unknown status as to their fate.

7905
7906
7907
7908
7910
7912
7914
7920
7921
7924
7925
7930
7932
7933
7936
7939
7940
7941
7950
7952
7954
7955
7956
7958
7962
7963
7964
7966
7968
7969
7970
7973
7974
7977
7978
7979
7980
7981
7983
7985
7986
7987
7989
7993
7995
7997
8004
8005
8007
8008
8010
8011
8012
8015
8017
8018
8022
8027
8028
8029
8030
8031
8032
8037
8039
8041
8045
8046
8048
8049
8050
8053
8055
8056
8057
8058
8059
8060
8061
8062
8064
8067
8068
8070
8074
8078
8079
8080
8081
8083
8084
8085
8086
8088
8089
8093
8095
8096
8097
8098

Thanks for this information
I had
7907 msn 43569 for GOL as PR-XMS and that the fuselage was damaged but has been repaired and back in production
7921 msn 62887 for Smartwings as OK-SWV
7958 msn 62885 for Smartwings as OK-SWU
7964 msn 62886 for Smartwings as OK-SWX
I guess these should, at best, be considered as "paused" !
Probably many of them are among the fuselages illustrated in this article https://www.investing.com/news/stock-ma ... on-2045919 from a couple of years ago.

8058 is msn 62892 and is in service with Caribbean AL as 9Y-ANT

The 3 fuses for Smartwings have never arrived in Renton. As for 9Y-ANT, it is LN 8052 not 8058.

"9Y-ANT Caribbean Airlines Boeing 737-8 MAX - C/N 62892 / LN 8052"

WoodysAeroimag wrote:

Scoreboard wrote:

WoodysAeroimag wrote:

Thanks for this information
I had
7907 msn 43569 for GOL as PR-XMS and that the fuselage was damaged but has been repaired and back in production
7921 msn 62887 for Smartwings as OK-SWV
7958 msn 62885 for Smartwings as OK-SWU
7964 msn 62886 for Smartwings as OK-SWX
I guess these should, at best, be considered as "paused" !
Probably many of them are among the fuselages illustrated in this article https://www.investing.com/news/stock-ma ... on-2045919 from a couple of years ago.

8058 is msn 62892 and is in service with Caribbean AL as 9Y-ANT

The 3 fuses for Smartwings have never arrived in Renton. As for 9Y-ANT, it is LN 8052 not 8058.

"9Y-ANT Caribbean Airlines Boeing 737-8 MAX - C/N 62892 / LN 8052"

Thanks for the correction - I even had 9Y-ANT also listed as 8052!

8262 67212 N8759Q 737-8 Southwest Airlines - R/O
8262 67212 N8759Q 737-8 Southwest Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8263 737-8 Xiamen Airlines - R/O
8263 737-8 Xiamen Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8255 67210 N8757L 737-8 Southwest Airlines - Painted
8255 67210 N8757L 737-8 Southwest Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8265 737-8 Corendon Airlines - R/O
8265 737-8 Corendon Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

WoodysAeroimag wrote:

8255 67210 N8757L 737-8 Southwest Airlines - Painted
8255 67210 N8757L 737-8 Southwest Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

9Y-TTO painted yet?

April deliveries so far for the MAX, source used: https://www.planespotters.net/deliveries/2022/04?p=4

WN, 2 MAX 8s
N8752Q and N8753Q

Ryanair 4 MAX 8s
EI-HGE, EI-HMW, EI-HMX and EI-HGV

FlyDubai 1 MAX 8
A6-FMY

Flair. 1 MAX 8
C-FFFX

Alaska, 1 MAX 9
N974AK

GOL, 1 MAX 8
PR-XMK

Air Canada, 1 MAX 8
C-GEPB

Aeromexico, 1 MAX 8
XA-DAL

Lynx, 1 MAX 8
C-FULH

ICBC Leasing, 1 MAX 8
OE-IWQ, this frame was ntu by Blue AIr and SpiceJet. No clue as to its future as it is now stored in Toulouse, France

ButterBawse wrote:

WoodysAeroimag wrote:

8255 67210 N8757L 737-8 Southwest Airlines - Painted
8255 67210 N8757L 737-8 Southwest Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

9Y-TTO painted yet?

Yes

Hey Everyone, I've got a question about the March Max deliveries to Alaska Airlines and Air Lease Corp. Boeings order and delivery page indicates that ASA took delivery of 4 frames and ALC took delivery of 2 frames.

LN 7326 / MSN 43389 clearly delivered to ALC is it is operated by FOX and the MSN is in a block of ALC MSNs.

LN 8201 / MSN 44098 and LN 8215 / 44077 are operated by ASA and in a block of ASA MSNs, so these clearly delivered to ASA>

The remaining frames are operated by ASA but in a block of ALC MSNs:

LN 7326 / MSN 43389
LN 8207 / MSN 43374
LN 7418 / MSN 43346

Of these two delivered to ASA and one delivered to ALC. It seems clear that ALC cancelled two frames and ASA picked them up. Does anyone know which are which?

BobLoblah wrote:

Hey Everyone, I've got a question about the March Max deliveries to Alaska Airlines and Air Lease Corp. Boeings order and delivery page indicates that ASA took delivery of 4 frames and ALC took delivery of 2 frames.

LN 7326 / MSN 43389 clearly delivered to ALC is it is operated by FOX and the MSN is in a block of ALC MSNs.

LN 8201 / MSN 44098 and LN 8215 / 44077 are operated by ASA and in a block of ASA MSNs, so these clearly delivered to ASA>

The remaining frames are operated by ASA but in a block of ALC MSNs: The frames you are questioning are probably part of the lease.

LN 7326 / MSN 43389
LN 8207 / MSN 43374
LN 7418 / MSN 43346

Of these two delivered to ASA and one delivered to ALC. It seems clear that ALC cancelled two frames and ASA picked them up. Does anyone know which are which?

AS is leasing 13 Maxes from ALC: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-alas ... SKBN2832B1

I’m not sure how many of those 13 have been delivered and what frames they are.

Polot wrote:

BobLoblah wrote:

Hey Everyone, I've got a question about the March Max deliveries to Alaska Airlines and Air Lease Corp. Boeings order and delivery page indicates that ASA took delivery of 4 frames and ALC took delivery of 2 frames.

LN 7326 / MSN 43389 clearly delivered to ALC is it is operated by FOX and the MSN is in a block of ALC MSNs.

LN 8201 / MSN 44098 and LN 8215 / 44077 are operated by ASA and in a block of ASA MSNs, so these clearly delivered to ASA>

The remaining frames are operated by ASA but in a block of ALC MSNs: The frames you are questioning are probably part of the lease.

LN 7326 / MSN 43389
LN 8207 / MSN 43374
LN 7418 / MSN 43346

Of these two delivered to ASA and one delivered to ALC. It seems clear that ALC cancelled two frames and ASA picked them up. Does anyone know which are which?

AS is leasing 13 Maxes from ALC: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-alas ... SKBN2832B1

I’m not sure how many of those 13 have been delivered and what frames they are.

So far my records indicate ASA has leased from ALC line #s 8140, 8044, 8131, 8124, 8152, and whichever one delivered last month. My money's on 8207 but can't strongly support that.

So 6 frames leased from ALC to ASA for far, 7 to go.

vhtje wrote:

Old news, I know, but I took my first 737 Max flight yesterday, AA969, MIA - MCO. I was deeply impressed by how quiet it was, particularly on take off. I did note that the safety card made no reference to “MAX”

If I remember from last month the safety card just said "737." The monitors at the gate said "737 MAX 8" as the aircraft type so I don't think they are trying to hide it.

planecane wrote:

vhtje wrote:

Old news, I know, but I took my first 737 Max flight yesterday, AA969, MIA - MCO. I was deeply impressed by how quiet it was, particularly on take off. I did note that the safety card made no reference to “MAX”

If I remember from last month the safety card just said "737." The monitors at the gate said "737 MAX 8" as the aircraft type so I don't think they are trying to hide it.

AA may be using the same safety card for the 738 and Max8, hence just generic “737” terminology (since they have no other 737 variants).

delivery of the 2nd Arajet?

Caribbean is taking delivery of 9Y-BAH and 9Y-TTO on the 26th and 28th respectively from BFI. First set of maxs to be delivered to them outside PAE

BobLoblah wrote:

Hey Everyone, I've got a question about the March Max deliveries to Alaska Airlines and Air Lease Corp. Boeings order and delivery page indicates that ASA took delivery of 4 frames and ALC took delivery of 2 frames.

LN 7326 / MSN 43389 clearly delivered to ALC is it is operated by FOX and the MSN is in a block of ALC MSNs.

LN 8201 / MSN 44098 and LN 8215 / 44077 are operated by ASA and in a block of ASA MSNs, so these clearly delivered to ASA>

The remaining frames are operated by ASA but in a block of ALC MSNs:

LN 7326 / MSN 43389
LN 8207 / MSN 43374
LN 7418 / MSN 43346

Of these two delivered to ASA and one delivered to ALC. It seems clear that ALC cancelled two frames and ASA picked them up. Does anyone know which are which?

All of the ALC NTUs are shown as delivered to AS on Boeing's O & D sheet. So in March N972AK/N973AK were shown delivered to AS along with N933AK/N935AK. N934AK is a reallocation to ALC so that along with LN-FGG were the two ALC from March.

Quick question. Is there any update on the frames going to Akasa Air of India? They seem to be taking 20 white tails. Are these SG NTU aircraft? If not, any info on whose these will be? Is there any paint update? Their start has been delayed from June to July, but there should be something happening on that front.

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/cor ... 2022-04-25

Still 320 MAX aircraft in backlog:

Boeing’s 737 Max backlog still stands at 320 jets

PepeTheFrog wrote:

Still 320 MAX aircraft in backlog:

Boeing’s 737 Max backlog still stands at 320 jets

Not sure where they are getting that number. I show only 228 frames in backlog from prior to delivery resumption.

8259 C-FXWJ 737-8 Westjet - R/O
8259 C-FXWJ 737-8 Westjet by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8260 737-8 Shandong Airlines - R/O
8260 737-8 Shandong Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8262 67212 N8759Q 737-8 Southwest Airlines - Painted
8262 67212 N8759Q 737-8 Southwest Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8271 737-8 200 Ryanair - R/O
8271 737-8 200 Ryanair by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8275 737-8 200 Ryanair - R/O
8275 737-8 200 Ryanair by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8261 737-8 Tui Group - R/O
8261 737-8 Tui Group by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8265 65901 TC-MKB 737-8 Corendon Airlines - Painted
8265 65901 TC-MKB 737-8 Corendon Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8272 737-8 WestJet - R/O
8272 737-8 WestJet by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8274 67214 N8761L 737-8 Southwest Airlines - R/O
8274 67214 N8761L 737-8 Southwest Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8277 44616 G-TUMP 737-8 Tuifly - R/O
8277 44616 G-TUMP 737-8 Tuifly by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8273 737-9 United Airlines - R/O
8273 737-9 United Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8274 67214 N8761L 737-8 Southwest Airlines - Painted
8274 67214 N8761L 737-8 Southwest Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8276 737-9 Alaska Airlines - R/O
8276 737-9 Alaska Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8278 737-8 200 Ryanair - R/O
8278 737-8 200 Ryanair by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8285 42614 N7208U 737-7 Southwest Airlines - R/O
8285 42614 N7208U 737-7 Southwest Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

Boeing delivered 28 737 MAX in April.

And one 737 NG (P-8A)

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... eliveries/

Polot wrote:

planecane wrote:

vhtje wrote:

Old news, I know, but I took my first 737 Max flight yesterday, AA969, MIA - MCO. I was deeply impressed by how quiet it was, particularly on take off. I did note that the safety card made no reference to “MAX”

If I remember from last month the safety card just said "737." The monitors at the gate said "737 MAX 8" as the aircraft type so I don't think they are trying to hide it.

AA may be using the same safety card for the 738 and Max8, hence just generic “737” terminology (since they have no other 737 variants).

Can confirm, sitting in a 738 right now.

ikolkyo wrote:

April deliveries so far for the MAX, source used: https://www.planespotters.net/deliveries/2022/04?p=4

WN, 2 MAX 8s
N8752Q and N8753Q

Ryanair 4 MAX 8s
EI-HGE, EI-HMW, EI-HMX and EI-HGV

FlyDubai 1 MAX 8
A6-FMY

Flair. 1 MAX 8
C-FFFX

Alaska, 1 MAX 9
N974AK

GOL, 1 MAX 8
PR-XMK

Air Canada, 1 MAX 8
C-GEPB

Aeromexico, 1 MAX 8
XA-DAL

Lynx, 1 MAX 8
C-FULH

ICBC Leasing, 1 MAX 8
OE-IWQ, this frame was ntu by Blue AIr and SpiceJet. No clue as to its future as it is now stored in Toulouse, France

You can add N8754S under the MAX8s. I worked its first revenue flight PHX-SNA. The airplane looked new, had the new plane smell, and much to my sadness I even got to see the first "messy aisle." I also believe N8755 is also in revenue service.

SXDFC wrote:

You can add N8754S under the MAX8s. I worked its first revenue flight PHX-SNA. The airplane looked new, had the new plane smell, and much to my sadness I even got to see the first "messy aisle." I also believe N8755 is also in revenue service.

Delivery flights for Southwest 737-8's after N8753Q on 4-19-22 according to the webpage at the link below.

On 4-21-22: N8754S LN 8230, BFI to PHX
On 5-04-22: N8755L LN 8247, BFI to PHX

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=4

And also according to flight radar 24.

On 5-10-22: N8757L LN8255, BFI to PHX

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n8757l

According to flight radar 24 it looks like N8757L arrived at Phoenix on its delivery flight at 12:31 PM on 5-10-22 as SW8700 (yesterday), and then entered service at 10:02 AM the next morning (today) as SW 2573 from Phoenix to San Diego,with an additional 4 flights scheduled for later in the day. I was under the impression that it is usually several days or weeks from delivery to entry into revenue service. Not so in this case.

Its been a few years ago but I flew on a New 800 (the FA's confirmed it) that went BFI SEA went in service in SEA to LAS to ONT (I got on in ONT) to PHX. It really did have the new airplane smell lol .

Arajet second Max 8 enroute to SDQ now

Caribbean Airlines 6th built (7th to be delivered) max 8 9Y-JAM scheduled to be delivered on Monday the 16th

Apparently and as happened with the Ural MAXes that went to Arajet, the 5 MAX 8's that were originally manufactured for S7 Airlines will go to Turkish carrier AnadoluJet instead.

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... jet/epwml6
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... jet/rmdn07
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... jet/e2wygq
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... jet/38569l
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... jet/e2wqw8

REDHL wrote:

Apparently and as happened with the Ural MAXes that went to Arajet, the 5 MAX 8's that were originally manufactured for S7 Airlines will go to Turkish carrier AnadoluJet instead.

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... jet/epwml6
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... jet/rmdn07
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... jet/e2wygq
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... jet/38569l
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... jet/e2wqw8

Interesting, I wonder if this means Turkish intends to firm up the MAXes that it cancelled (as AnadoluJet is a Turkish Airlines sub).

China Southern Airlines scraps Boeing’s 737 MAX from its fleet deliveries through 2024

Source: https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3 ... deliveries

Boeing’s biggest airline customer in China has removed more than 100 of the US manufacturer’s 737 MAX jets from its fleet plans, citing uncertainty over deliveries.

China Southern Airlines’ chairman Ma Xulun said at an investor briefing last week that Boeing’s updated bestselling aircraft would be excluded from fleet deliveries through 2024. The carrier expects to take delivery of 78 aircraft in total over the period, down from 181 in a previous forecast in March.

An investor relations representative for the airline said Friday the Max wasn’t included due to “uncertainty surrounding the delivery,” without providing further details.

The move is a sharp reversal for China Southern, which had outlined plans to rapidly expand its 737 MAX fleet, saying in its annual report in March that 39 were due to arrive this year, building toward a total of 103 deliveries through 2024. It’s a reminder of the uncertainty shrouding a key market for Boeing as it works to reap cash from more than 300 Max that were built but never delivered due to a global grounding.

Boeing referred queries to China Southern.

jbs2886 wrote:

REDHL wrote:

Apparently and as happened with the Ural MAXes that went to Arajet, the 5 MAX 8's that were originally manufactured for S7 Airlines will go to Turkish carrier AnadoluJet instead.

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... jet/epwml6
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... jet/rmdn07
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... jet/e2wygq
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... jet/38569l
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... jet/e2wqw8

Interesting, I wonder if this means Turkish intends to firm up the MAXes that it cancelled (as AnadoluJet is a Turkish Airlines sub).

I read somewhere that they will have greater autonomy going forward. I believe this means that their fleet plans will be separated from TK’s.

BEG2IAH wrote:

China Southern Airlines scraps Boeing’s 737 MAX from its fleet deliveries through 2024

Source: https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3 ... deliveries

Boeing’s biggest airline customer in China has removed more than 100 of the US manufacturer’s 737 MAX jets from its fleet plans, citing uncertainty over deliveries.

China Southern Airlines’ chairman Ma Xulun said at an investor briefing last week that Boeing’s updated bestselling aircraft would be excluded from fleet deliveries through 2024. The carrier expects to take delivery of 78 aircraft in total over the period, down from 181 in a previous forecast in March.

An investor relations representative for the airline said Friday the Max wasn’t included due to “uncertainty surrounding the delivery,” without providing further details.

The move is a sharp reversal for China Southern, which had outlined plans to rapidly expand its 737 MAX fleet, saying in its annual report in March that 39 were due to arrive this year, building toward a total of 103 deliveries through 2024. It’s a reminder of the uncertainty shrouding a key market for Boeing as it works to reap cash from more than 300 Max that were built but never delivered due to a global grounding.

Boeing referred queries to China Southern.

I think there's something far bigger going on as some of the Chinese frames (CAAC orders, not lessors) are being painted all white. These are from other Chinese airlines, not CZ. We could speculate all day long over whether CAAC has pulled the plug with Boeing or Boeing has pulled the plug on the CAAC after years of them dragging their heels, but the white paint jobs is a strong indicator that the frames are being resold to other non-Chinese customers.

It's already known that UA are taking most of the Hainan group frames in storage so that leaves approx 139 Chinese frames available that are either in storage somewhere or awaiting first flight at RNT.

BEG2IAH wrote:

China Southern Airlines scraps Boeing’s 737 MAX from its fleet deliveries through 2024

Source: https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3 ... deliveries

Boeing’s biggest airline customer in China has removed more than 100 of the US manufacturer’s 737 MAX jets from its fleet plans, citing uncertainty over deliveries.

China Southern Airlines’ chairman Ma Xulun said at an investor briefing last week that Boeing’s updated bestselling aircraft would be excluded from fleet deliveries through 2024. The carrier expects to take delivery of 78 aircraft in total over the period, down from 181 in a previous forecast in March.

An investor relations representative for the airline said Friday the Max wasn’t included due to “uncertainty surrounding the delivery,” without providing further details.

The move is a sharp reversal for China Southern, which had outlined plans to rapidly expand its 737 MAX fleet, saying in its annual report in March that 39 were due to arrive this year, building toward a total of 103 deliveries through 2024. It’s a reminder of the uncertainty shrouding a key market for Boeing as it works to reap cash from more than 300 Max that were built but never delivered due to a global grounding.

Boeing referred queries to China Southern.

I had read something on the subject a few days ago and it turns out that the problem is mostly due to the recent COVID outbreaks in China.

Due to the strict COVID policy that the Chinese government took in several provinces (notably Shanghai), the total completion of the recertification process was delayed, apart from the fact that some airlines are not as urgently in need of the extra capacity offered by the MAX as before, mainly because passenger demand has been greatly decimated. Not to mention that these restrictions in China are also causing some problems in the 737 MAX supply chain, specifically the shortage of wiring connectors.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/17/china-s ... irmed.html
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 022-05-11/

Make sit easier for Boeing to just sell the current Chinese frames to customers ready to take them, helps them out a ton I bet.

ikolkyo wrote:

Make sit easier for Boeing to just sell the current Chinese frames to customers ready to take them, helps them out a ton I bet.

Of course makes it easier for Boeing, just 300 less frames to produce and a lot less headache. Who needs Chinese customers when you have UA/AA/AS/WN right?

MD80MKE wrote:

ikolkyo wrote:

Make sit easier for Boeing to just sell the current Chinese frames to customers ready to take them, helps them out a ton I bet.

Of course makes it easier for Boeing, just 300 less frames to produce and a lot less headache. Who needs Chinese customers when you have UA/AA/AS/WN right?

The way it sounds to me is that the orders have been pushed back, the MAX will be back in China whenever the CAAC decides to recertify the aircraft and the Corona situation stabilizes itself. All all the Big Chinese airlines have MAX aircraft in their fleet that they will eventually fly again, and I am very sure that Airbus alone will not meet the demand of all of their aircraft needs. All I have said was that the parked Chinese aircraft can be delivered to customers who are ready today instead of having them sit around in limbo for who knows how long. There is plenty of demand for the aircraft outside of China, don't know what you're all worked up about.

Bloomberg said this in this article about the putting off of MAX deliveries:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-16/boeing-s-top-chinese-customer-removes-737-max-from-fleet-plans

"Boeing had previously predicted deliveries to Chinese airlines would resume by the end of March. China recertified the Max to fly in December, but only a handful of airlines have carried out test flights, a final hurdle to its return to commercial service."

Does that mean that the CAAC has actually certified and cleared the MAX in Dec 2021 and it's just up to the individual airlines to bring their grounded planes back into their fleets and to begin accepting new deliveries?

There are just soooo many planes already built waiting for the Chinese Airlines to take them. So, very frustrating.

Just came across this information. If nobody else has already reported it, here is Southwest Airlines new delivery schedule, as reported to the SEC.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... xerdoc.htm

lowgun wrote:

Just came across this information. If nobody else has already reported it, here is Southwest Airlines new delivery schedule, as reported to the SEC.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... xerdoc.htm

A drop in over 50 frames is quite significant. It tells its own story how confident WN are in the FAA pulling their collective fingers out of their behinds, too.

WestJet took delivery of its latest max yesterday. WS8960 to YYC

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ws8960

I can understand the -10 still being in the middle of certification and whatnot but what is the deal with the MAX 7? What exactly is the hold up at the FAA over this variant? The prototype did all the MCAS flights with regulators and has been done with the flight test campaign for quite some time.

ikolkyo wrote:

I can understand the -10 still being in the middle of certification and whatnot but what is the deal with the MAX 7? What exactly is the hold up at the FAA over this variant? The prototype did all the MCAS flights with regulators and has been done with the flight test campaign for quite some time.

I for the life of me understand why the -7 has not been certified. As stated above it was the aircraft used to re certify the 8 and 9. It was also the aircrat use to get the ok in China to resume Max flights. I think the FAA is broken or on some kind of power trip.

lowgun wrote:

Just came across this information. If nobody else has already reported it, here is Southwest Airlines new delivery schedule, as reported to the SEC.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... xerdoc.htm

From the tables, it looks like it went from (for 2022 deliveries) 72 Max7 and 0 Max8, to 21 Max7 and 81 Max8. The question being whether any Max7 get delivered in 2022. Even if not, 81 Max8 is an increase in fleet seats over 72 Max7.