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INFINITI329
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:17 am

WoodysAeroimag wrote:
airplaneboy wrote:
WoodysAeroimag wrote:
8297 42623 N7211U 737-7 Southwest Airlines - Painted white for unknown reasons.
Image8297 42623 N7211U 737-7 Southwest Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr


Does this mean MAX 7 production has resumed?


They have assembled and rolled out 17 more MAX 7's on top of the 7 already produced. Still not certified and with WN delaying delivery until 2023. Not sure why they are producing planes that will be stored.


WN will take delivery of MAX 7s in 2022 once it is certified. It's just not the 100+ they had initially planned for. That was shifted to 2023 and later.
 
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Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:42 am

INFINITI329 wrote:
WoodysAeroimag wrote:
airplaneboy wrote:

Does this mean MAX 7 production has resumed?


They have assembled and rolled out 17 more MAX 7's on top of the 7 already produced. Still not certified and with WN delaying delivery until 2023. Not sure why they are producing planes that will be stored.


WN will take delivery of MAX 7s in 2022 once it is certified. It's just not the 100+ they had initially planned for. That was shifted to 2023 and later.


Certification this year is looking more like a pipe dream.
 
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Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:11 am

MileHFL400 wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
WoodysAeroimag wrote:

They have assembled and rolled out 17 more MAX 7's on top of the 7 already produced. Still not certified and with WN delaying delivery until 2023. Not sure why they are producing planes that will be stored.


WN will take delivery of MAX 7s in 2022 once it is certified. It's just not the 100+ they had initially planned for. That was shifted to 2023 and later.


Certification this year is looking more like a pipe dream.


You're not lying...my money was on by the end of Q2 clearly that didn't happen.
 
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Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:32 am

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Sixth MAX 8 for Aerolineas Argentinas, LV-KEJ (MSN 43321/8051)

https://boefamily.flights/registration/LV-KEJ

It appears to be a white tail NTU by Belavia ex EW-546PA


LV-KEJ was ferried today to the FADEA MRO in Córdoba, Argentina to be painted in full AR colors.

https://twitter.com/SpottersCordoba/sta ... 2278719493


The finished product, at the FAdeA MRO.

https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/07/fo ... rgentinas/
 
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Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:01 pm

WN expecting 0 MAX 7s this year, what a joke.
https://paxex.aero/southwest-max-7-delay-2023/
 
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Fri Jul 29, 2022 4:08 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
WN expecting 0 MAX 7s this year, what a joke.
https://paxex.aero/southwest-max-7-delay-2023/


Frustrating for sure and really baffling why the FAA is silent. Nevertheless, I tend to think it ends up benefitting WN because they probably couldn't staff that number of aircraft, so now they don't have to pay for them now.
 
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Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:35 am

dcajet wrote:
dcajet wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Sixth MAX 8 for Aerolineas Argentinas, LV-KEJ (MSN 43321/8051)

https://boefamily.flights/registration/LV-KEJ

It appears to be a white tail NTU by Belavia ex EW-546PA


LV-KEJ was ferried today to the FADEA MRO in Córdoba, Argentina to be painted in full AR colors.

https://twitter.com/SpottersCordoba/sta ... 2278719493


The finished product, at the FAdeA MRO.

https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/07/fo ... rgentinas/


Low pass over the FAdeA airfield, before returning to EZE, for some work on the interiors.

https://youtu.be/XZh3Fy4_Cgc
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:34 am

Southwest Airlines has just lodged their quarterly report for the second quarter of 2022. Enclosed was a copy of Supplemental Agreement No. 16 dated 22 April 2022 detailing MSN & the proposed delivery dates for their Max-7 & Max-8s as it stood at that date.

EX-10.1 2 exhibit101sa-16topax3729re.htm EX-10.1 BOEING SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT NO. 16
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:41 am

Sorry about that. Here is a direct link to SA 16 for Southwest Air Lines.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... 3729re.htm
 
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Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:11 am

The seventh 737 MAX 8 for Aerolineas Argentinas was delivered yesterday at BFI, it arrived today at EZE after an overnight stop at PUJ. It is LV-KEI, 65899/2121, originally for Belavia as EW-551PA, NTU due to sanctions. It is still wearing Belavia's livery and interiors. Conversion work will be done at FAdeA in Cordoba and Aerolineas own MRO at EZE. A further 7 are still on order.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/lv-kei
 
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Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:24 am

dcajet wrote:
The seventh 737 MAX 8 for Aerolineas Argentinas was delivered yesterday at BFI, it arrived today at EZE after an overnight stop at PUJ. It is LV-KEI, 65899/2121, originally for Belavia as EW-551PA, NTU due to sanctions. It is still wearing Belavia's livery and interiors. Conversion work will be done at FAdeA in Cordoba and Aerolineas own MRO at EZE. A further 7 are still on order.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/lv-kei


https://twitter.com/SpottersArg/status/ ... 77/photo/1
 
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Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:42 am

dcajet wrote:
dcajet wrote:
The seventh 737 MAX 8 for Aerolineas Argentinas was delivered yesterday at BFI, it arrived today at EZE after an overnight stop at PUJ. It is LV-KEI, 65899/2121, originally for Belavia as EW-551PA, NTU due to sanctions. It is still wearing Belavia's livery and interiors. Conversion work will be done at FAdeA in Cordoba and Aerolineas own MRO at EZE. A further 7 are still on order.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/lv-kei


https://twitter.com/SpottersArg/status/ ... 77/photo/1

Is there any particular reason why AR are taking delivery of these planes and doing the paint/conversion themselves versus making Boeing do it prior to delivery? Did they find someone cheaper, or is Boeing covering for it post delivery? The lack of repaint prior to delivery especially surprises me.
 
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Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:46 am

lowgun wrote:
Sorry about that. Here is a direct link to SA 16 for Southwest Air Lines.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... 3729re.htm

Man…that is some kind of confusing reading… lawyers making some money
 
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Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:18 pm

lowgun wrote:
Sorry about that. Here is a direct link to SA 16 for Southwest Air Lines.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... 3729re.htm

First, fascinating information.
Second, sloppy redaction of data (left Boeing proprietary stamp on the pages despite the proprietary data being replaced by "***" everywhere.

737-8 MAX deliveries into 2031 already planned for WN
737-7 MAX deliveries planned basically through 2030 for WN

Fascinating schedule.

Lightsaber
 
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Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:46 pm

While not outlining deliveries by month, WN SEC filings for a while now have declared firm orders for -7s and -8s into 2030 and 2031.
 
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Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:51 am

I was just looking at the Southwest Airlines orders on the Boeing database & noticed apparently unannounced orders for more MAX aircraft. In the monthly summery they are announced as part of the order for Unidentified Customer(s). At a later date on the Boeing database they are identified as being for Southwest Airlines & the figures for Unidentified Customer(s) reduced accordingly.

January 2022 12 ordered, 5 delivered so far
February 2022 7 ordered, all 7 delivered
March 2022 3 ordered, 2 delivered so far
June 2022 1 ordered, 1 delivered.

I'm wondering, since these are ordered & delivered so quickly, if these are some of the "remarket aircraft" mentioned in SA 16 above. Also, whether the 5 aircraft listed for delivery in May & June 2025 as "previously earned" will be aircraft supplied free of charge as compensation for the MAX delays.
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:08 am

Leeham is reporting that Boeing will be sourcing LEAP engines from their stored MAX inventory, to help deal with the current shortage in the supply chain, and maintain new aircraft production rates.

https://leehamnews.com/2022/08/15/boein ... roduction/
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:28 pm

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Leeham is reporting that Boeing will be sourcing LEAP engines from their stored MAX inventory, to help deal with the current shortage in the supply chain, and maintain new aircraft production rates.

https://leehamnews.com/2022/08/15/boein ... roduction/


I would imagine there are a fair number of MAX aircraft destined for Chinese Airlines that won't need their engines for a while. Why keep them installed on birds that the customer doesn't intend to take?
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:17 pm

True. The amount of long time parked undelivered MAX-es has slowly shrunk to about 200, but this remaining set seems increasingly problematic. More than half is or was earmarked for China, but also Air Italy/Qatar, SpiceJet, LOT and SmartWings cancelled leases etc. I'd say, refurbish them asap to airlines like Arajet , Aerolineas Argentinas, Akasa but probably they are stuck in burocracy.
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:21 pm

MEA-707 wrote:
True. The amount of long time parked undelivered MAX-es has slowly shrunk to about 200, but this remaining set seems increasingly problematic. More than half is or was earmarked for China, but also Air Italy/Qatar, SpiceJet, LOT and SmartWings cancelled leases etc. I'd say, refurbish them asap to airlines like Arajet , Aerolineas Argentinas, Akasa but probably they are stuck in burocracy.


A lot are also leased aircraft which prevents this from happening.
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:24 pm

Polot wrote:
dcajet wrote:
dcajet wrote:
The seventh 737 MAX 8 for Aerolineas Argentinas was delivered yesterday at BFI, it arrived today at EZE after an overnight stop at PUJ. It is LV-KEI, 65899/2121, originally for Belavia as EW-551PA, NTU due to sanctions. It is still wearing Belavia's livery and interiors. Conversion work will be done at FAdeA in Cordoba and Aerolineas own MRO at EZE. A further 7 are still on order.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/lv-kei


https://twitter.com/SpottersArg/status/ ... 77/photo/1

Is there any particular reason why AR are taking delivery of these planes and doing the paint/conversion themselves versus making Boeing do it prior to delivery? Did they find someone cheaper, or is Boeing covering for it post delivery? The lack of repaint prior to delivery especially surprises me.


My guess is that they're leased aircraft that went ntu with their original operator. I don't think Boeing is obligated to fully redo the aircraft since they have been technically delivered to the lessor.
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:56 pm

MEA-707 wrote:
True. The amount of long time parked undelivered MAX-es has slowly shrunk to about 200, but this remaining set seems increasingly problematic. More than half is or was earmarked for China, but also Air Italy/Qatar, SpiceJet, LOT and SmartWings cancelled leases etc. I'd say, refurbish them asap to airlines like Arajet , Aerolineas Argentinas, Akasa but probably they are stuck in burocracy.


Everything except the Chinese is reallocated. Qatar/HNA Group > United. Spicejet > Southwest. LOT/Smartwings/T'way/EastarJet > Flair, Bonanza and Akasa.
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:53 pm

RobK wrote:
MEA-707 wrote:
True. The amount of long time parked undelivered MAX-es has slowly shrunk to about 200, but this remaining set seems increasingly problematic. More than half is or was earmarked for China, but also Air Italy/Qatar, SpiceJet, LOT and SmartWings cancelled leases etc. I'd say, refurbish them asap to airlines like Arajet , Aerolineas Argentinas, Akasa but probably they are stuck in burocracy.


Everything except the Chinese is reallocated. Qatar/HNA Group > United. Spicejet > Southwest. LOT/Smartwings/T'way/EastarJet > Flair, Bonanza and Akasa.


exactly.. so start pulling engines off of those Chinese aircraft for planes that customers intend to accept.
 
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Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:09 pm

FiscAutTecGarte wrote:

exactly.. so start pulling engines off of those Chinese aircraft for planes that customers intend to accept.


That was my thought as well. Those aircraft aren't moving anytime soon, and probably the Chinese would have no objection.
 
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Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:01 am

ikolkyo wrote:
Polot wrote:
dcajet wrote:

Is there any particular reason why AR are taking delivery of these planes and doing the paint/conversion themselves versus making Boeing do it prior to delivery? Did they find someone cheaper, or is Boeing covering for it post delivery? The lack of repaint prior to delivery especially surprises me.


My guess is that they're leased aircraft that went ntu with their original operator. I don't think Boeing is obligated to fully redo the aircraft since they have been technically delivered to the lessor.


They are, both leased from ALC. Sanctions in place against Belarus meant the lessor had to find new homes for these 2.
 
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Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:17 am

Wings for WN N871HK & N872CB spotted behind FAL

8405 N871HK 737-8 Southwest Airlines SWA Desert Gold
Image8405 N871HK 737-8 Southwest Airlines SWA Desert Gold by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr

8406 N872CB 737-8 Southwest Airlines Canyon Blue Retro
Image8406 N872CB 737-8 Southwest Airlines Canyon Blue Retro by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr
 
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Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:02 am

Is it me or is the placement of the “Southwest.com” on the winglets way higher than it is on the current winglets?
 
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Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:26 am

And the SOUTHWEST.COM is back on the outside of the winglet also.
 
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Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:04 am

SXDFC wrote:
Is it me or is the placement of the “Southwest.com” on the winglets way higher than it is on the current winglets?


Looks normal to me, probably looks weird because we haven’t seen it on a MAX winglet until these retro liveries came out.
 
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Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:03 am

It looks weird because the font is quite a bit smaller vs the time WN used to have Southwest.com on the outside:



Or at least visually looks smaller, I’m not sure if it actually is since obviously the Max winglets have different geometry than old blend winglets.
 
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Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:20 am

I think they should have just omitted that on the winglet…the angle is too steep really for anyone but the most keen observer to see. I would like to see the return of the black paint under the forward cockpit windscreen that was omitted from 711 and 714 previously…
 
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Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:29 pm

SXDFC wrote:
Is it me or is the placement of the “Southwest.com” on the winglets way higher than it is on the current winglets?


Yes, looks awful. It's too small of a font and is too high up on the winglet.
 
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Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:39 am

RobertoMugabe wrote:
DenverTed wrote:
What is the production rate for the year?


31 per month until late 2Q, ramp to 39 then, aiming for 42 by year end, and jump to 49/52 by 2023. Contigent on Chinese MAX acceptance rate, could be higher, could be lower.



Does anyone know if Boeing is on track with the production ramp up plan?
 
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Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:05 am

I saw an article on flight global saying Boeing was pausing wing production of the max due to parts shortages.

Note: may be behind a paywall

https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers ... 62.article
 
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Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:22 pm

dfwking wrote:
RobertoMugabe wrote:
DenverTed wrote:
What is the production rate for the year?


31 per month until late 2Q, ramp to 39 then, aiming for 42 by year end, and jump to 49/52 by 2023. Contigent on Chinese MAX acceptance rate, could be higher, could be lower.



Does anyone know if Boeing is on track with the production ramp up plan?


Negative. Parts shortages, particularly for CFM leap engines, and production issues on the third line at Renton means Boeing is stuck at 31 per month. Rate 38 is put out for a while.
 
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Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:48 pm

Forgive me if this has already been addressed recently, but approximately how many 737 MAX were stored at the peak of the grounding, and does anyone have an approximate total of how many of those are still parked, waiting to be delivered?
 
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Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:19 pm

Cdydatzigs wrote:
Forgive me if this has already been addressed recently, but approximately how many 737 MAX were stored at the peak of the grounding, and does anyone have an approximate total of how many of those are still parked, waiting to be delivered?


231 MAX have taken their first flights and awaiting delivery, according to this webpage: https://www.planespotters.net/special/b ... -grounding
 
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Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:48 pm

The number for parked undelivered MAXes at the peak in my list was 386. Could have been 390 or 395 - insider knowledge would have been required. So, somewhere in between 38x-40x, more likely, at the lower end
 
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Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:10 pm

Anybody heard or read anything substantive, regarding the likely timing of a rate increase? The most recent info I've read on the subject was regarding the harvesting of engines from the finished aircraft inventory, which leads me to believe that Boeing doesn't expect the supply issues to resolve quickly. But, it would be reassuring to hear some color on the timeline associated with general easing of supply constraints.

RobertoMugabe wrote:
dfwking wrote:
RobertoMugabe wrote:

31 per month until late 2Q, ramp to 39 then, aiming for 42 by year end, and jump to 49/52 by 2023. Contigent on Chinese MAX acceptance rate, could be higher, could be lower.



Does anyone know if Boeing is on track with the production ramp up plan?


Negative. Parts shortages, particularly for CFM leap engines, and production issues on the third line at Renton means Boeing is stuck at 31 per month. Rate 38 is put out for a while.
 
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Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:00 pm

Vietjet Air - one of the major customers and future operators of the MAX - just confirmed that it will start receiving the airframes during the 2024-2028 period. Of the 200 aircraft on order, the first 50 aircraft to be delivered will go to the Thai subsidiary of VJ.

Besides that, ch-aviation also reports that VJ orders are consisting of 66 MAX 8 + 28 MAX 8-200 + 106 MAX 10 that is different to the original deals of 20 MAX 8 + 100 MAX 200 + 80 MAX 10 (the total number is still 200). This change is enough to reinforce VJ as the sixth-largest customer of the entire MAX family as well as retain its position of being the second-largest MAX 10 customer (just after UA and just enough to surpass DL's recent order of 100 airframes).

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -from-2024 (typos of B737 becoming B787 found in this link)

I assume that the conversion to the larger variants is some kind of compensation offered by Boeing. Anyway, congrats Boeing for being able to keep this VJ order.
 
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Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:09 pm

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The seventh 737 MAX 8 for Aerolineas Argentinas was delivered yesterday at BFI, it arrived today at EZE after an overnight stop at PUJ. It is LV-KEI, 65899/2121, originally for Belavia as EW-551PA, NTU due to sanctions. It is still wearing Belavia's livery and interiors. Conversion work will be done at FAdeA in Cordoba and Aerolineas own MRO at EZE. A further 7 are still on order.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/lv-kei


Traces of its Belavia heritage can be found on AR's latest MAX 8, LV-KEI. Due to enter commercial service later this week.

Image
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fcn9brQWAAIleZ9
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:44 am

Bird80 wrote:
Anybody heard or read anything substantive, regarding the likely timing of a rate increase? The most recent info I've read on the subject was regarding the harvesting of engines from the finished aircraft inventory, which leads me to believe that Boeing doesn't expect the supply issues to resolve quickly. But, it would be reassuring to hear some color on the timeline associated with general easing of supply constraints.


I've heard nothing substantive lately about rate increases. The last stated plan I can find is from March. Here's a link and summary of the targets

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 022-03-05/

- March 2022 - 27/month (stated rate)
- 2nd Half 2022 - 31/month
- 1st Half 2023 - 38/month
- 2nd Half 2023 - 47/month

Boeing lists 28 x 737 deliveries for August (including one P-8), and I gather that is the combined production and delivery of stored aircraft.

It seems Airbus is dealing with similar issues. Back in early May when they announced their Q1 results, although they stated their current narrowbody rate was 50 per month, they actually delivered 41 (37 x A320 family, 4 x CSeries). They did hit 50 in June, but then slowed down again. For August, the count was 33 deliveries, all of them A320 family.

So the uncertainty continues for now, industry wide.
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2022 4:58 am

iamlucky13 wrote:
Boeing lists 28 x 737 deliveries for August (including one P-8), and I gather that is the combined production and delivery of stored aircraft.

I counted 15 new deliveries( but might be up to 18 ) based on planespotter data - the rest had first flights in 2019 or 2021.
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:50 am

ADent wrote:
iamlucky13 wrote:
Boeing lists 28 x 737 deliveries for August (including one P-8), and I gather that is the combined production and delivery of stored aircraft.

I counted 15 new deliveries( but might be up to 18 ) based on planespotter data - the rest had first flights in 2019 or 2021.


The P-8A delivery will be NZ4801 which took its first flight on 16 August 2022 (Boeing class that as delivered). Planespotters is showing a lot more than 15 new deliveries, bit confused by that part?
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:56 am

What is the latest on the hoped for MAX 10 extension please? Is there anything going on in DC, any upcoming committee meeting or similar?
 
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Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:15 am

bmibaby737 wrote:

The P-8A delivery will be NZ4801 which took its first flight on 16 August 2022 (Boeing class that as delivered). Planespotters is showing a lot more than 15 new deliveries, bit confused by that part?


Then help me understand.

Planespotters shows 31 MAX with delivery dates between 8/1 and 8/31. Well planes not flown in service before - they show deliveries of used planes too. 4 were delivered 8/1, so you get 27 if you exclude those (presumably some of those were actually had their paperwork signed the day before).


Of those 27 - 15 were listed with first flights in 2022. 11 show first flights in 2019, 1 in 2021. BTW 3 of those planes with 8/1 delivery dates were 2022 new builds (so why I hedged on that it could be 18 new).

To me that means 15 were new builds. Could be up to 18. But I don’t see ‘a lot more’.

My big question is how can I identify which 27 line numbers were officially delivered in August?

Does Boeing break down which airlines get them - I don’t see that data in the media and I don’t see a press release.

Or how do I read the planespotter data better?
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:02 am

ADent wrote:

My big question is how can I identify which 27 line numbers were officially delivered in August?

Does Boeing break down which airlines get them - I don’t see that data in the media and I don’t see a press release.

You can see who took delivery on Boeing’s website in their orders/deliveries report. From there other sites like plane spotters can help you figure out the exact frames.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:04 pm

flydubai’s 37th MAX (A6-FKA, a 737 MAX 8) is on it’s second delivery leg to Dubai.
https://fr24.com/FDB9032/2d789c6e
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:27 pm

ADent wrote:
Does Boeing break down which airlines get them - I don’t see that data in the media and I don’t see a press release.


I can't answer your other questions, but I got my count from the deliveries report tool here, which seems to match what the media is reporting:

https://www.boeing.com/commercial/

I think Boeing's counts are based on the dates the customer communicates acceptance of the aircraft, which might not quite align with the delivery flights. I assume the latter is how planespotters is counting.

Noshow wrote:
What is the latest on the hoped for MAX 10 extension please? Is there anything going on in DC, any upcoming committee meeting or similar?


Anything concrete is going to come out in the committees first, but some of the better aviation journalists seem to keep tabs on the relevant committee actions, so I suspect we'll see relatively quick reporting if a bill is proposed.

My best guess is that the transportation committee members in each house are waiting for an FAA recommendation based in part on a study they commissioned that was completed this March and became public in June. The study was mandated by the same law that implemented the deadline on the crew alerting system waiver, and required the FAA to evaluate whether there would be a clear safety benefit to setting a time limit on how long after issuance a type certificate could be amended. The review included a look at waivers, of which the 737 MAX crew alerting system waiver was obviously highlighted. It appears the report was released unofficially, as I didn't find a copy on the FAA website, just the copy the Seattle Times shared:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... march-2022

Although the study did not make a recommendation about the 737 MAX 10 waiver deadline specifically, it concluded that deadlines on amended type certificates were not a cost-effective way to ensure safety, and would likely not be adopted in turn by foreign regulators. It instead proposed improvements to the process of issuing amended type certificates including making the evaluation of the safety criticality of waivers more robust.

I think it particularly relevant to note an apparent shift in attitude: House Transportation Committee chair Peter DeFazio made a statement back in April explicitly opposing an extension to the waiver (source). Maria Cantwell, his counterpart in the Senate, meanwhile, preferred a recommendation from the FAA (source):

Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-OR) wrote:
The aircraft certification bill gave the FAA a two-year grace period to certify aircraft without the advanced flight crew alerting system, but that grace period should not be extended.


Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA) wrote:
We're not going to hurry. We're not going to be rushed. I need the FAA to lead. I want to hear from them that that's what they think is the safest way to go.”


Two months later when the report became public, DeFazio's tone seemed to have changed. Perhaps he was starting to feel like the FAA now had the information it needed to more properly consider whether the waiver should be extended for the MAX 10 (source)?

Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-OR) wrote:
I urge the FAA to consider the report’s recommendations carefully and issue a detailed response.


In short, it appears two of the members of Congress who have the most influence on the question are waiting for more input from the FAA before taking any actions regarding the MAX 10.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:27 pm

iamlucky13 wrote:
I think Boeing's counts are based on the dates the customer communicates acceptance of the aircraft, which might not quite align with the delivery flights. I assume the latter is how planespotters is counting.

Boeing counts the date the money changes hands and the customer officially owns the plane. As you state that may not always be the same date the customer flies the plane out (which is what most outside sources count, because that is the easiest way to verify delivery if you don’t have an inside source).
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