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Sat Apr 02, 2022 11:48 pm

I know mileage tickets go up during the summer on intra-Alaska flights. But I don’t recall June, July, August, September costing a minimum of 15k each way between Nome and Anchorage. And that’s the cheapest reward seat.
 
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Sun Apr 03, 2022 10:18 pm

I noticed N303AS lasted about a month back in service since its brief stay at PAE in February and has been in GSO for about a week now. Any word as to why?
 
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Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:33 am

TheZ wrote:
I noticed N303AS lasted about a month back in service since its brief stay at PAE in February and has been in GSO for about a week now. Any word as to why?


Scheduled Maintenance Check
 
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Mon Apr 04, 2022 3:01 am

RWRCAS wrote:
TheZ wrote:
I noticed N303AS lasted about a month back in service since its brief stay at PAE in February and has been in GSO for about a week now. Any word as to why?


Scheduled Maintenance Check


Thanks for the info! I've had a soft spot for the early build 900's ever since I got to spend a bit of time on Boeing's 737-900 Technology Demonstrator about 20 years ago, which I believe was in AS colors at the time. I hope they continue on for several years to come.
 
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Mon Apr 04, 2022 3:32 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Check this out: https://www.alaskaair.com/promo/AS2210? ... 6Xl2zzpjEI

"Special Disney Plane" on May the 4th. Also known as Star Wars day; it's a good bet this will be a Star Wars jet.


I wonder what type aircraft. In a way, I'm hoping it's on a 737-800 because they can fly to the Disney airport (SNA). But I suppose it could be on a 737-700 or A320.



If I was a betting man I’d guess it’s a -800, probably 538 or 560 who are both due for repaint.
 
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Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:59 pm

I heard a WILD rumor this weekend here in Dallas. A SW employee stated that Delta is purchasing the two Alaska gates at Dallas Love, with the sale to be completed by Jun 15th. I'm super hesitant to believe them and would love for this to be debunked. Flying AS out of Love is so convenient for us on this side of the Metroplex, would hate for them to pack it in.
 
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Mon Apr 04, 2022 5:11 pm

khinstorff wrote:
I heard a WILD rumor this weekend here in Dallas. A SW employee stated that Delta is purchasing the two Alaska gates at Dallas Love, with the sale to be completed by Jun 15th. I'm super hesitant to believe them and would love for this to be debunked. Flying AS out of Love is so convenient for us on this side of the Metroplex, would hate for them to pack it in.

Don't think this is true. AS has been slowly bringing back DAL flights. There would be no reason for them to do that if they were going to eventually sell their gates to DL.
 
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Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:06 pm

TheZ wrote:
RWRCAS wrote:
TheZ wrote:
I noticed N303AS lasted about a month back in service since its brief stay at PAE in February and has been in GSO for about a week now. Any word as to why?


Scheduled Maintenance Check


Thanks for the info! I've had a soft spot for the early build 900's ever since I got to spend a bit of time on Boeing's 737-900 Technology Demonstrator about 20 years ago, which I believe was in AS colors at the time. I hope they continue on for several years to come.


With the are of the original 737-900s (non ER) around the twenty year mark, retirement of those aircraft is most likely coming soon. MAX 9s and/or MAX 10s will probably replace them.
 
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Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:13 pm

FYI: Schedule is updated through October 5, 2022.
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:46 pm

Does jetBlue’s bid for Spirit make Alaska think about growth via acquisition or merger?
 
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Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:55 pm

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Does jetBlue’s bid for Spirit make Alaska think about growth via acquisition or merger?

Alaska has a huge problem right now with completing their current schedule. They need to also get a handle on the horizon problem as well. So I don’t see how adding even more planes makes much sense. They already tried they once and wound up basically getting rid of all they bought
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:19 am

32andBelow wrote:
Prost wrote:
Does jetBlue’s bid for Spirit make Alaska think about growth via acquisition or merger?

Alaska has a huge problem right now with completing their current schedule. They need to also get a handle on the horizon problem as well. So I don’t see how adding even more planes makes much sense. They already tried they once and wound up basically getting rid of all they bought


Alaska and Southwest did their acquisitions as 'Make it fit the model,' instead of 'Let's expand the model.' There was a good reason for AS to do that - it bought a much smaller carrier, and sought economies of scale as a still-not-big carrier -- but that wasn't the only way to use VX.

AS couldn't get 120 MAXs from Boeing in a year, nor add 3000 pilots through its own training programs.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:44 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Prost wrote:
Does jetBlue’s bid for Spirit make Alaska think about growth via acquisition or merger?

Alaska has a huge problem right now with completing their current schedule. They need to also get a handle on the horizon problem as well. So I don’t see how adding even more planes makes much sense. They already tried they once and wound up basically getting rid of all they bought


Alaska and Southwest did their acquisitions as 'Make it fit the model,' instead of 'Let's expand the model.' There was a good reason for AS to do that - it bought a much smaller carrier, and sought economies of scale as a still-not-big carrier -- but that wasn't the only way to use VX.

AS couldn't get 120 MAXs from Boeing in a year, nor add 3000 pilots through its own training programs.


And besides, the only people they could merge with is sun country because they have the same planes and want to sell. They maybe could buy Hawaiian and have it separate from the AS brand as a sister airline but that has complications.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:18 am

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And besides, the only people they could merge with is sun country because they have the same planes and want to sell. They maybe could buy Hawaiian and have it separate from the AS brand as a sister airline but that has complications.


What? Mergers are not dictated by fleet. And what basis are you asserting Sun Country wants to sell? Their private equity owner recently IPO’d the company.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 3:18 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Check this out: https://www.alaskaair.com/promo/AS2210? ... 6Xl2zzpjEI

"Special Disney Plane" on May the 4th. Also known as Star Wars day; it's a good bet this will be a Star Wars jet.


I wonder what type aircraft. In a way, I'm hoping it's on a 737-800 because they can fly to the Disney airport (SNA). But I suppose it could be on a 737-700 or A320.


Welp. N538AS, the final aircraft in old colors went off to paint in GEG yesterday. My guess is this will possibly be the new theme tail. Thought it’s seems s little early depending on how detailed the paint will be.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:44 pm

seahawks7757 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Check this out: https://www.alaskaair.com/promo/AS2210? ... 6Xl2zzpjEI

"Special Disney Plane" on May the 4th. Also known as Star Wars day; it's a good bet this will be a Star Wars jet.


I wonder what type aircraft. In a way, I'm hoping it's on a 737-800 because they can fly to the Disney airport (SNA). But I suppose it could be on a 737-700 or A320.


Welp. N538AS, the final aircraft in old colors went off to paint in GEG yesterday. My guess is this will possibly be the new theme tail. Thought it’s seems s little early depending on how detailed the paint will be.


That makes sense especially since N537AS (the Pixar plane) is its sister plane. Wonder when N559AS and N550AS will be repainted, maybe during the remodel?
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:22 pm

seahawks7757 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Check this out: https://www.alaskaair.com/promo/AS2210? ... 6Xl2zzpjEI

"Special Disney Plane" on May the 4th. Also known as Star Wars day; it's a good bet this will be a Star Wars jet.


I wonder what type aircraft. In a way, I'm hoping it's on a 737-800 because they can fly to the Disney airport (SNA). But I suppose it could be on a 737-700 or A320.


Welp. N538AS, the final aircraft in old colors went off to paint in GEG yesterday. My guess is this will possibly be the new theme tail. Thought it’s seems s little early depending on how detailed the paint will be.


Oh the upcoming Star Wars airplane?
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:07 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:

I wonder what type aircraft. In a way, I'm hoping it's on a 737-800 because they can fly to the Disney airport (SNA). But I suppose it could be on a 737-700 or A320.


Welp. N538AS, the final aircraft in old colors went off to paint in GEG yesterday. My guess is this will possibly be the new theme tail. Thought it’s seems s little early depending on how detailed the paint will be.


Oh the upcoming Star Wars airplane?


We don't know what it is, although that is a safe bet for May the 4th. The only thing we do know is that there will be a new Disney plane.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:09 pm

The Seattle Times every day has an article talking about that days cancellations, but everything but the first two paragraphs are usually cut and paste from the day before.
 
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Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:15 pm

Prost wrote:
The Seattle Times every day has an article talking about that days cancellations, but everything but the first two paragraphs are usually cut and paste from the day before.


Like a lot of local newspapers, The Seattle Times is lazy and more focused on clicks/shares than investing any effort.
 
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Sat Apr 09, 2022 12:17 am

sxf24 wrote:
Prost wrote:
The Seattle Times every day has an article talking about that days cancellations, but everything but the first two paragraphs are usually cut and paste from the day before.


Like a lot of local newspapers, The Seattle Times is lazy and more focused on clicks/shares than investing any effort.


The Seattle Times does an okay job. However, like a lot of local newspapers their revenue has been decimated in the past decade or so. If the portion of the article after the first two paragraphs is still relevant, why not use it?
 
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Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:40 am

Cardude2 wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:

I wonder what type aircraft. In a way, I'm hoping it's on a 737-800 because they can fly to the Disney airport (SNA). But I suppose it could be on a 737-700 or A320.


Welp. N538AS, the final aircraft in old colors went off to paint in GEG yesterday. My guess is this will possibly be the new theme tail. Thought it’s seems s little early depending on how detailed the paint will be.


That makes sense especially since N537AS (the Pixar plane) is its sister plane. Wonder when N559AS and N550AS will be repainted, maybe during the remodel?



I can confirm that sadly Spirit of the Islands, N560AS, days are numbered unfortunately. As for Salmon, she’s going no where anytime soon. Except for updated titles at some point and maybe to freshen up her coat of paint according to people I’ve talked to at AS.
 
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Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:01 pm

A very strange flight diversion occurred about a week ago. SEA-MSY diverted to GEG. See the flightaware flight path below:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA ... /KSEA/KGEG

Does anyone know what happened here? Already checked https://www.diverted.eu/ , which lists this flight without a diversion reason.
 
 
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Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:19 pm

Falcon Flyer wrote:


Corporate charters
 
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Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:14 pm

AS adopts a flat $8 charge for WiFi on aircraft equipped with Intelsat. The cost will no longer vary by distance.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/eight-gr ... 00390.html

Airline will continue to charge a variable price for internet access on aircraft that haven’t yet been equipped with satellite Wi-Fi.
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:08 am

seahawks7757 wrote:
Cardude2 wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:

Welp. N538AS, the final aircraft in old colors went off to paint in GEG yesterday. My guess is this will possibly be the new theme tail. Thought it’s seems s little early depending on how detailed the paint will be.


That makes sense especially since N537AS (the Pixar plane) is its sister plane. Wonder when N559AS and N550AS will be repainted, maybe during the remodel?



I can confirm that sadly Spirit of the Islands, N560AS, days are numbered unfortunately. As for Salmon, she’s going no where anytime soon. Except for updated titles at some point and maybe to freshen up her coat of paint according to people I’ve talked to at AS.


Was the Spirit of the Islands aircraft done as part of Hawaiian student contest? I thought the paint job had a 5-year life.
 
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Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:10 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:
Cardude2 wrote:

That makes sense especially since N537AS (the Pixar plane) is its sister plane. Wonder when N559AS and N550AS will be repainted, maybe during the remodel?



I can confirm that sadly Spirit of the Islands, N560AS, days are numbered unfortunately. As for Salmon, she’s going no where anytime soon. Except for updated titles at some point and maybe to freshen up her coat of paint according to people I’ve talked to at AS.


Was the Spirit of the Islands aircraft done as part of Hawaiian student contest? I thought the paint job had a 5-year life.



I don’t know what the original life expectancy was for that aircraft. I just know it rolled out in 2013 and still wears that beautiful scheme. A hell of a lot better then that 737-400 for the Alaska statehood
 
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Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:16 am

seahawks7757 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:


I can confirm that sadly Spirit of the Islands, N560AS, days are numbered unfortunately. As for Salmon, she’s going no where anytime soon. Except for updated titles at some point and maybe to freshen up her coat of paint according to people I’ve talked to at AS.


Was the Spirit of the Islands aircraft done as part of Hawaiian student contest? I thought the paint job had a 5-year life.



I don’t know what the original life expectancy was for that aircraft. I just know it rolled out in 2013 and still wears that beautiful scheme. A hell of a lot better then that 737-400 for the Alaska statehood


I'm hoping the theme airplane slated to come out on 5/4 will be more than just a tiny decal on a basic AS color scheme.
 
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Mon Apr 11, 2022 1:29 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:

Was the Spirit of the Islands aircraft done as part of Hawaiian student contest? I thought the paint job had a 5-year life.



I don’t know what the original life expectancy was for that aircraft. I just know it rolled out in 2013 and still wears that beautiful scheme. A hell of a lot better then that 737-400 for the Alaska statehood


I'm hoping the theme airplane slated to come out on 5/4 will be more than just a tiny decal on a basic AS color scheme.



Considering they are taking 23 days on it and they can normally flip a 737 in about a week. I’ll let you guess if it’s just a sticker or full on theme plane. :wink:
 
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Mon Apr 11, 2022 1:40 am

seahawks7757 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:


I don’t know what the original life expectancy was for that aircraft. I just know it rolled out in 2013 and still wears that beautiful scheme. A hell of a lot better then that 737-400 for the Alaska statehood


I'm hoping the theme airplane slated to come out on 5/4 will be more than just a tiny decal on a basic AS color scheme.



Considering they are taking 23 days on it and they can normally flip a 737 in about a week. I’ll let you guess if it’s just a sticker or full on theme plane. :wink:


Sticker technology must’ve gotten really complicated. :duck:
 
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Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:01 am

Does anyone know what AS’s schedule out of SLC and DEN will be this upcoming summer?
 
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Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:08 am

sea13 wrote:
Does anyone know what AS’s schedule out of SLC and DEN will be this upcoming summer?


SEA-DEN 5x mainline
PDX-DEN 1x mainline
ANC-DEN 1x mainline

SEA-SLC 4x mainline, 1x OO
PDX-SLC 2x OO
SFO-SLC 1x OO
LAX-SLC 4x OO
SAN-SLC 1x OO
 
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Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:31 pm

sxf24 wrote:
sea13 wrote:
Does anyone know what AS’s schedule out of SLC and DEN will be this upcoming summer?


SEA-DEN 5x mainline
PDX-DEN 1x mainline
ANC-DEN 1x mainline

SEA-SLC 4x mainline, 1x OO
PDX-SLC 2x OO
SFO-SLC 1x OO
LAX-SLC 4x OO
SAN-SLC 1x OO

Very subject to change of course... We're still a bit over 2 months out from the June 16 summer schedule and these days, that's lots of time for "adjustments"...

bb
 
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Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:07 pm

SANFan wrote:
sxf24 wrote:
sea13 wrote:
Does anyone know what AS’s schedule out of SLC and DEN will be this upcoming summer?


SEA-DEN 5x mainline
PDX-DEN 1x mainline
ANC-DEN 1x mainline

SEA-SLC 4x mainline, 1x OO
PDX-SLC 2x OO
SFO-SLC 1x OO
LAX-SLC 4x OO
SAN-SLC 1x OO

Very subject to change of course... We're still a bit over 2 months out from the June 16 summer schedule and these days, that's lots of time for "adjustments"...

bb


Absolutely. I think LAX-SLC at 4x is a bit much.
 
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Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:08 pm

sxf24 wrote:
sea13 wrote:
Does anyone know what AS’s schedule out of SLC and DEN will be this upcoming summer?


SEA-DEN 5x mainline
PDX-DEN 1x mainline
ANC-DEN 1x mainline

SEA-SLC 4x mainline, 1x OO
PDX-SLC 2x OO
SFO-SLC 1x OO
LAX-SLC 4x OO
SAN-SLC 1x OO


Also ANC-SLC.
 
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Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:16 pm

sxf24 wrote:
SANFan wrote:
sxf24 wrote:

SEA-DEN 5x mainline
PDX-DEN 1x mainline
ANC-DEN 1x mainline

SEA-SLC 4x mainline, 1x OO
PDX-SLC 2x OO
SFO-SLC 1x OO
LAX-SLC 4x OO
SAN-SLC 1x OO

Very subject to change of course... We're still a bit over 2 months out from the June 16 summer schedule and these days, that's lots of time for "adjustments"...

bb


Absolutely. I think LAX-SLC at 4x is a bit much.

Could be to help with MX flow... to get more opportunities to RON the A/C in SLC's hangar
 
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Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:01 pm

khinstorff wrote:
I heard a WILD rumor this weekend here in Dallas. A SW employee stated that Delta is purchasing the two Alaska gates at Dallas Love, with the sale to be completed by Jun 15th. I'm super hesitant to believe them and would love for this to be debunked. Flying AS out of Love is so convenient for us on this side of the Metroplex, would hate for them to pack it in.


I wouldn't be surprised...they add and cut frequencies to the four hubs from there (sometimes down to 0 per day to LAX and PDX) so often, it seems logical to pack it in and move all their ops to DFW.
 
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Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:10 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
seahawks7757 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:

Was the Spirit of the Islands aircraft done as part of Hawaiian student contest? I thought the paint job had a 5-year life.



I don’t know what the original life expectancy was for that aircraft. I just know it rolled out in 2013 and still wears that beautiful scheme. A hell of a lot better then that 737-400 for the Alaska statehood


I'm hoping the theme airplane slated to come out on 5/4 will be more than just a tiny decal on a basic AS color scheme.


Full livery on 538, currently in GEG for painting.

On a side note, 538 was the last active aircraft to wear the 90’s livery, marking the end of a 32 year run for the old design
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:03 am

Prost wrote:
The Seattle Times every day has an article talking about that days cancellations, but everything but the first two paragraphs are usually cut and paste from the day before.


Yeah, they are still trying to make it look like AS is in chaos. When in reality, the airline is recovering fine from the problems a few weeks ago. And AS hasn't been shy about the pilot shortage affecting it's schedule. I think their last article said that something like 18 flights had been cancelled for the day. Why that is even article worthy has me scratching my head.

Really excited to see what comes out of the paint shop on 5/4!
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:08 pm

AWACSooner wrote:
khinstorff wrote:
I heard a WILD rumor this weekend here in Dallas. A SW employee stated that Delta is purchasing the two Alaska gates at Dallas Love, with the sale to be completed by Jun 15th. I'm super hesitant to believe them and would love for this to be debunked. Flying AS out of Love is so convenient for us on this side of the Metroplex, would hate for them to pack it in.


I wouldn't be surprised...they add and cut frequencies to the four hubs from there (sometimes down to 0 per day to LAX and PDX) so often, it seems logical to pack it in and move all their ops to DFW.

I don't think AS can sell the gates because they originally belonged to AA and the DOJ required AA to relinquish usage rights as part of the US merger. If AS decides they don't want the rights to the gates any longer (and I wouldn't be surprised by that considering they are down to 1x SEA and 1x SFO from June 1 to the end of the October 5th schedule) then I would think they revert back to the DOJ or AA to find a new bidder for the rights to the gates
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2022 7:28 pm

unmlobo wrote:
I don't think AS can sell the gates because they originally belonged to AA and the DOJ required AA to relinquish usage rights as part of the US merger. If AS decides they don't want the rights to the gates any longer (and I wouldn't be surprised by that considering they are down to 1x SEA and 1x SFO from June 1 to the end of the October 5th schedule) then I would think they revert back to the DOJ or AA to find a new bidder for the rights to the gates


AS's schedule out of DAL has been maddening for this 100K who drives from Bossier City to fly them. They schedule 3x daily to LAX in July, then cut it entirely in the last schedule update last weekend. But it's back to 3x daily in September. PDX non-stop? It's here/it's gone/it's here again.

AS could've easily done a focus city with the two gates at DAL and made a go of JFK/BOS/FLL on the east coast as well as SAN/BOI on the west coast (besides the four hubs) and given WN a serious run for their money. But now, given how they don't know what they want out of DAL, it makes sense for them to just pack it in and focus on DFW with their OW partner AA, IMO.
 
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Tue Apr 12, 2022 7:32 pm

AWACSooner wrote:
unmlobo wrote:
I don't think AS can sell the gates because they originally belonged to AA and the DOJ required AA to relinquish usage rights as part of the US merger. If AS decides they don't want the rights to the gates any longer (and I wouldn't be surprised by that considering they are down to 1x SEA and 1x SFO from June 1 to the end of the October 5th schedule) then I would think they revert back to the DOJ or AA to find a new bidder for the rights to the gates


AS's schedule out of DAL has been maddening for this 100K who drives from Bossier City to fly them. They schedule 3x daily to LAX in July, then cut it entirely in the last schedule update last weekend. But it's back to 3x daily in September. PDX non-stop? It's here/it's gone/it's here again.

AS could've easily done a focus city with the two gates at DAL and made a go of JFK/BOS/FLL on the east coast as well as SAN/BOI on the west coast (besides the four hubs) and given WN a serious run for their money. But now, given how they don't know what they want out of DAL, it makes sense for them to just pack it in and focus on DFW with their OW partner AA, IMO.

I don’t think DAL with toe gates would ever work as focus like 20 flights max against 200 WN flights.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Network and News Discussion - 2022

Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:24 pm

Wneast wrote:
I don’t think DAL with toe gates would ever work as focus like 20 flights max against 200 WN flights.


NK with their limited gates at DFW has kept AA honest on several key routes (LAX/LAS/FLL/etc), AS could do the same with WN...but they won't.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Network and News Discussion - 2022

Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:25 pm

unmlobo wrote:
AWACSooner wrote:
khinstorff wrote:
I heard a WILD rumor this weekend here in Dallas. A SW employee stated that Delta is purchasing the two Alaska gates at Dallas Love, with the sale to be completed by Jun 15th. I'm super hesitant to believe them and would love for this to be debunked. Flying AS out of Love is so convenient for us on this side of the Metroplex, would hate for them to pack it in.


I wouldn't be surprised...they add and cut frequencies to the four hubs from there (sometimes down to 0 per day to LAX and PDX) so often, it seems logical to pack it in and move all their ops to DFW.

I don't think AS can sell the gates because they originally belonged to AA and the DOJ required AA to relinquish usage rights as part of the US merger. If AS decides they don't want the rights to the gates any longer (and I wouldn't be surprised by that considering they are down to 1x SEA and 1x SFO from June 1 to the end of the October 5th schedule) then I would think they revert back to the DOJ or AA to find a new bidder for the rights to the gates


I had a vague recollection that the AA requirement to sub-lease the gates at DAL through like 2023, however they didn't completely relinquish their lease, since they get those through the five party agreement.

Everyone always talks about it that AA sold the gates, but this 2014 news article confirms they sub-leased them. So the question is when does the consent decree with the DOJ no longer have the no operating at DAL restriction? AS might not be able to keep those gates past that date.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Network and News Discussion - 2022

Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:04 pm

Excuse me...2.1x flights a day from DAL in the summer there is a Sat-only PDX beginning mid-June
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Network and News Discussion - 2022

Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:27 pm

As predicted by many on this thread the slicing and dicing of small PNW airports has begun. EAT goes from 3 flight to 1 in September while the article cites pilot shortage and transition to the E175, I am inclined to think it has more to due with the transition. While they point out the E175 is a bigger plane than the Q. they failed to mention the both have the same number of seats and that 12 of those seats will now probably cost more as they are first class.

https://www.kpq.com/alaska-cutting-dail ... ee-to-one/
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Network and News Discussion - 2022

Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:37 pm

gmcc wrote:
As predicted by many on this thread the slicing and dicing of small PNW airports has begun. EAT goes from 3 flight to 1 in September while the article cites pilot shortage and transition to the E175, I am inclined to think it has more to due with the transition. While they point out the E175 is a bigger plane than the Q. they failed to mention the both have the same number of seats and that 12 of those seats will now probably cost more as they are first class.

https://www.kpq.com/alaska-cutting-dail ... ee-to-one/


I'm not convinced that September cuts are representative of some large "slicing and dicing of small PNW airports" because September is typically a very slow month. While 3 to 1 is a big cut, I think we need to see more than just September and one to two airports.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Network and News Discussion - 2022

Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:18 pm

E175s N410SY delivered to OO on 4/12 to operate for AAG. Brings the E175 count operated for AAG to 67; 37 at OO and 30 at QX.
 
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Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Network and News Discussion - 2022

Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:22 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
gmcc wrote:
As predicted by many on this thread the slicing and dicing of small PNW airports has begun. EAT goes from 3 flight to 1 in September while the article cites pilot shortage and transition to the E175, I am inclined to think it has more to due with the transition. While they point out the E175 is a bigger plane than the Q. they failed to mention the both have the same number of seats and that 12 of those seats will now probably cost more as they are first class.

https://www.kpq.com/alaska-cutting-dail ... ee-to-one/


I'm not convinced that September cuts are representative of some large "slicing and dicing of small PNW airports" because September is typically a very slow month. While 3 to 1 is a big cut, I think we need to see more than just September and one to two airports.


It’s not rocket science though - halving the fleet means they have to cut across the board. EAT might be the first and most obvious place to cut but the cuts will be coming throughout the system

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