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wedgetail737 wrote:How are the loads and yields to DAL? If they are good despite all of the churn, I don't think AS will give up DAL. But for other reasons you all mention, I tend to agree. Either that or AS needs to quit being so wishy-washy on DAL service.
wedgetail737 wrote:How are the loads and yields to DAL? If they are good despite all of the churn, I don't think AS will give up DAL. But for other reasons you all mention, I tend to agree. Either that or AS needs to quit being so wishy-washy on DAL service.
AWACSooner wrote:At this rate, AS might as well go the WN route and do scheduling a few months at a time…this weekly change crap is why I’m not re-upping my 100K this year!
AWACSooner wrote:Weekly “your schedule has changed” updates: 4/12 remaining itineraries requiring a call into AS reservations…all from 1 Oct- 15 Nov. And all these itineraries had a schedule change two weeks ago.
At this rate, AS might as well go the WN route and do scheduling a few months at a time…this weekly change crap is why I’m not re-upping my 100K this year!
BoeingGuy wrote:AWACSooner wrote:Weekly “your schedule has changed” updates: 4/12 remaining itineraries requiring a call into AS reservations…all from 1 Oct- 15 Nov. And all these itineraries had a schedule change two weeks ago.
At this rate, AS might as well go the WN route and do scheduling a few months at a time…this weekly change crap is why I’m not re-upping my 100K this year!
Yep. I’m getting fed up with AS selling flights they know they have no intention of flying.
I booked SEA-BZE for next season. Days later they remove the Friday flight from the schedule. I haven’t called yet. I won’t be surprised if they later completely can the non-stop.
Same thing last season. They load PAE-TUS as daily. I buy tickets. Days later they change it to 4x/week.
I have always been a strong AS supporter, but I too am getting sick and tired of what I believe are “placeholders” that they know they have no intention of flying. I thought this was illegal. I feel like they are going downhill with the newer leadership.
BoeingGuy wrote:AWACSooner wrote:Weekly “your schedule has changed” updates: 4/12 remaining itineraries requiring a call into AS reservations…all from 1 Oct- 15 Nov. And all these itineraries had a schedule change two weeks ago.
At this rate, AS might as well go the WN route and do scheduling a few months at a time…this weekly change crap is why I’m not re-upping my 100K this year!
Yep. I’m getting fed up with AS selling flights they know they have no intention of flying.
I booked SEA-BZE for next season. Days later they remove the Friday flight from the schedule. I haven’t called yet. I won’t be surprised if they later completely can the non-stop.
Same thing last season. They load PAE-TUS as daily. I buy tickets. Days later they change it to 4x/week.
I have always been a strong AS supporter, but I too am getting sick and tired of what I believe are “placeholders” that they know they have no intention of flying. I thought this was illegal. I feel like they are going downhill with the newer leadership.
BoeingGuy wrote:AWACSooner wrote:Weekly “your schedule has changed” updates: 4/12 remaining itineraries requiring a call into AS reservations…all from 1 Oct- 15 Nov. And all these itineraries had a schedule change two weeks ago.
At this rate, AS might as well go the WN route and do scheduling a few months at a time…this weekly change crap is why I’m not re-upping my 100K this year!
Yep. I’m getting fed up with AS selling flights they know they have no intention of flying.
I booked SEA-BZE for next season. Days later they remove the Friday flight from the schedule. I haven’t called yet. I won’t be surprised if they later completely can the non-stop.
Same thing last season. They load PAE-TUS as daily. I buy tickets. Days later they change it to 4x/week.
I have always been a strong AS supporter, but I too am getting sick and tired of what I believe are “placeholders” that they know they have no intention of flying. I thought this was illegal. I feel like they are going downhill with the newer leadership.
32andBelow wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:AWACSooner wrote:Weekly “your schedule has changed” updates: 4/12 remaining itineraries requiring a call into AS reservations…all from 1 Oct- 15 Nov. And all these itineraries had a schedule change two weeks ago.
At this rate, AS might as well go the WN route and do scheduling a few months at a time…this weekly change crap is why I’m not re-upping my 100K this year!
Yep. I’m getting fed up with AS selling flights they know they have no intention of flying.
I booked SEA-BZE for next season. Days later they remove the Friday flight from the schedule. I haven’t called yet. I won’t be surprised if they later completely can the non-stop.
Same thing last season. They load PAE-TUS as daily. I buy tickets. Days later they change it to 4x/week.
I have always been a strong AS supporter, but I too am getting sick and tired of what I believe are “placeholders” that they know they have no intention of flying. I thought this was illegal. I feel like they are going downhill with the newer leadership.
What they should be doing is selling a Skelton which is built upon not hacked up
AWACSooner wrote:Weekly “your schedule has changed” updates: 4/12 remaining itineraries requiring a call into AS reservations…all from 1 Oct- 15 Nov. And all these itineraries had a schedule change two weeks ago.
At this rate, AS might as well go the WN route and do scheduling a few months at a time…this weekly change crap is why I’m not re-upping my 100K this year!
QXorVX wrote:AWACSooner wrote:Weekly “your schedule has changed” updates: 4/12 remaining itineraries requiring a call into AS reservations…all from 1 Oct- 15 Nov. And all these itineraries had a schedule change two weeks ago.
At this rate, AS might as well go the WN route and do scheduling a few months at a time…this weekly change crap is why I’m not re-upping my 100K this year!
Man, every few posts you are on here having schedule changes. I think AS is doing a somewhat poor job of managing their crew issues, but if you keep booking them it is going to keep happening! Odd situation to keep booking flights months and months in advance in less than stellar operational conditions and then being dismayed at the changes. It is annoying, I get it. But if you keeping booking and expecting different results... it might be you Why call for reservations in the fall, they are just gonna change again. Let the change sit in your account and have AS fix it closer to departure. Save yourself some time and stress.
AWACSooner wrote:I booked all of them before the end of March...before the airfares started skyrocketing and the schedule changes started flowing like the Mississippi...and I haven't booked a single ticket with them since (and no don't plan to). The reason I need to stay on top of the changes is that most of the itineraries are in paid F, with limited seating.
sfojvjets wrote:When does Alaska's lease on the DAL gates end? And what happens after that, will the lease be renewed (which I think is the worse decision) or will they consolidate DAL routes at DFW with AA?
panam330 wrote:May I ask how you’re resolving them? Did you choose to go with DFW nonstops, or are you getting some frequent airport appreciation time in SEA?
jplatts wrote:sfojvjets wrote:When does Alaska's lease on the DAL gates end? And what happens after that, will the lease be renewed (which I think is the worse decision) or will they consolidate DAL routes at DFW with AA?
AA was ordered by the DOJ to give up its 2 gates at DAL to another airline until 4/26/2024 to get the AA-US merger approved, but AA can regain access to those 2 gates after 4/26/2024 (which is less than 2 years away).
VX had subleased 2 AA the gates at DAL, and AS had inherited the VX sublease of the 2 AA gates at DAL through the AS-VX merger.
The AA gate leases at DAL expire in October 2028, which is more than 6 years away.
iflykpdx wrote:Given the retirement of the A319s and ignoring the negligible amount of 73Gs, does AS have a problem with the relatively large gap between the QX/OO fleet and mainline?
If so, any guesses on what they do to remediate it?
No other mainline US carrier (with a <100 seat aircraft type) seems to have this issue, so it would seem to put AS at a competitive disadvantage.
USAirKid wrote:I'm not sure I see them getting a 100 seater explicitly to fill the gap, such as a E190 or CS100. They'd have to put it at mainline AS vs QX for pilot scope reasons, and that probably makes it a bit too expensive to operate.
jgcotter wrote:738 N560AS ‘Spirit of the Islands’ has been repainted into the standard livery.
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chrisair wrote:USAirKid wrote:I'm not sure I see them getting a 100 seater explicitly to fill the gap, such as a E190 or CS100. They'd have to put it at mainline AS vs QX for pilot scope reasons, and that probably makes it a bit too expensive to operate.
Scope? What scope?
Knowing Alaska management, they’d probably stick 100 seaters at QX. The only problem is they can’t get Skywest to operate them to keep the whipsaw going.
iflykpdx wrote:Given the retirement of the A319s and ignoring the negligible amount of 73Gs, does AS have a problem with the relatively large gap between the QX/OO fleet and mainline?
If so, any guesses on what they do to remediate it?
No other mainline US carrier (with a <100 seat aircraft type) seems to have this issue, so it would seem to put AS at a competitive disadvantage.
32andBelow wrote:iflykpdx wrote:Given the retirement of the A319s and ignoring the negligible amount of 73Gs, does AS have a problem with the relatively large gap between the QX/OO fleet and mainline?
If so, any guesses on what they do to remediate it?
No other mainline US carrier (with a <100 seat aircraft type) seems to have this issue, so it would seem to put AS at a competitive disadvantage.
Why ignore the 73G tho? They are exactly where they should be flying thin routes in Alaska.
iflykpdx wrote:Given the retirement of the A319s and ignoring the negligible amount of 73Gs, does AS have a problem with the relatively large gap between the QX/OO fleet and mainline?
If so, any guesses on what they do to remediate it?
No other mainline US carrier (with a <100 seat aircraft type) seems to have this issue, so it would seem to put AS at a competitive disadvantage.
USAirKid wrote:chrisair wrote:USAirKid wrote:I'm not sure I see them getting a 100 seater explicitly to fill the gap, such as a E190 or CS100. They'd have to put it at mainline AS vs QX for pilot scope reasons, and that probably makes it a bit too expensive to operate.
Scope? What scope?
Knowing Alaska management, they’d probably stick 100 seaters at QX. The only problem is they can’t get Skywest to operate them to keep the whipsaw going.
Yes, the current contract doesn’t have scope, but putting a 100 seater at QX is nearly a guarantee to make the pilots apocalyptic and more willing to shut the operation down with a strike.
ASguy2012 wrote:USAirKid wrote:chrisair wrote:
Scope? What scope?
Knowing Alaska management, they’d probably stick 100 seaters at QX. The only problem is they can’t get Skywest to operate them to keep the whipsaw going.
Yes, the current contract doesn’t have scope, but putting a 100 seater at QX is nearly a guarantee to make the pilots apocalyptic and more willing to shut the operation down with a strike.
How about we focus on the facts that Alaska has publicly commented on. The fleet plan is for one fleet type at Horizon (E-175) and one at Alaska (B737). This will reduce pressure on pilots staffing with one pool of pilots at each company. Introducing another fleet type to either is a pipe dream of any armchair CEO. The costs saved from this streamlining of the fleet will outweigh the fact that Alaska doesn’t have a “100” seater.
The decisions made are smart and are setting up Alaska for a continued successful future through some trying times. These are decisions that were already on the timeline, just happening sooner.
Tack wrote:ASguy2012 wrote:USAirKid wrote:
Yes, the current contract doesn’t have scope, but putting a 100 seater at QX is nearly a guarantee to make the pilots apocalyptic and more willing to shut the operation down with a strike.
How about we focus on the facts that Alaska has publicly commented on. The fleet plan is for one fleet type at Horizon (E-175) and one at Alaska (B737). This will reduce pressure on pilots staffing with one pool of pilots at each company. Introducing another fleet type to either is a pipe dream of any armchair CEO. The costs saved from this streamlining of the fleet will outweigh the fact that Alaska doesn’t have a “100” seater.
The decisions made are smart and are setting up Alaska for a continued successful future through some trying times. These are decisions that were already on the timeline, just happening sooner.
This. AS has stated that they like the 175 in Alaska. They have no desire to add an aircraft between the 175 and 737 and they have no interest in a MAX7.
usxguy wrote:Looks like the 73Gs do (outside of Alaska)
Portland - San Francisco
Cardude2 wrote:usxguy wrote:Looks like the 73Gs do (outside of Alaska)
Portland - San Francisco
that route hasn't flown on a 73G since the VS merger
jbs2886 wrote:Cardude2 wrote:usxguy wrote:Looks like the 73Gs do (outside of Alaska)
Portland - San Francisco
that route hasn't flown on a 73G since the VS merger
FlightAware disagrees. Flight 544 on 6/16.
itripreport wrote:jbs2886 wrote:Cardude2 wrote:
that route hasn't flown on a 73G since the VS merger
FlightAware disagrees. Flight 544 on 6/16.
All 73G routes flown out of alaska are flown on a “one off” Basis. Aka the plane is only scheduled to fly on it a very rare/swap basis. The last time I remember the 737-700 operating scheduled service was SNA/OAK-SEA pre pandemic. After that you’ll only see them flying continental US routes as swaps or one offs
itripreport wrote:jbs2886 wrote:Cardude2 wrote:
that route hasn't flown on a 73G since the VS merger
FlightAware disagrees. Flight 544 on 6/16.
All 73G routes flown out of alaska are flown on a “one off” Basis. Aka the plane is only scheduled to fly on it a very rare/swap basis. The last time I remember the 737-700 operating scheduled service was SNA/OAK-SEA pre pandemic. After that you’ll only see them flying continental US routes as swaps or one offs
QXorVX wrote:itripreport wrote:jbs2886 wrote:
FlightAware disagrees. Flight 544 on 6/16.
All 73G routes flown out of alaska are flown on a “one off” Basis. Aka the plane is only scheduled to fly on it a very rare/swap basis. The last time I remember the 737-700 operating scheduled service was SNA/OAK-SEA pre pandemic. After that you’ll only see them flying continental US routes as swaps or one offs
There are a few scheduled non-Alaska routes this summer, daily service includes SEA-BZN and SEA-JAC. It also appears a Sat/Sun rotation on SEA-SLC is also scheduled. A couple others too intermittently scheduled to list.
QXorVX wrote:itripreport wrote:jbs2886 wrote:
FlightAware disagrees. Flight 544 on 6/16.
All 73G routes flown out of alaska are flown on a “one off” Basis. Aka the plane is only scheduled to fly on it a very rare/swap basis. The last time I remember the 737-700 operating scheduled service was SNA/OAK-SEA pre pandemic. After that you’ll only see them flying continental US routes as swaps or one offs
There are a few scheduled non-Alaska routes this summer, daily service includes SEA-BZN and SEA-JAC. It also appears a Sat/Sun rotation on SEA-SLC is also scheduled. A couple others too intermittently scheduled to list.
BoeingGuy wrote:QXorVX wrote:itripreport wrote:
All 73G routes flown out of alaska are flown on a “one off” Basis. Aka the plane is only scheduled to fly on it a very rare/swap basis. The last time I remember the 737-700 operating scheduled service was SNA/OAK-SEA pre pandemic. After that you’ll only see them flying continental US routes as swaps or one offs
There are a few scheduled non-Alaska routes this summer, daily service includes SEA-BZN and SEA-JAC. It also appears a Sat/Sun rotation on SEA-SLC is also scheduled. A couple others too intermittently scheduled to list.
I assume AS put a 73G on SEA-JAC due to the performance issues that the E75 has at JAC. The JAC-SEA flight frequently had to make fuel stops at BOI.
An A319 can handle JAC-CLT, but an E75 can’t handle JAC-SEA.
itripreport wrote:Does anyone know if the whole summer staff shortages are going to put a delay on Alaska’s plans to retrofit their 738s starting august?
32andBelow wrote:itripreport wrote:Does anyone know if the whole summer staff shortages are going to put a delay on Alaska’s plans to retrofit their 738s starting august?
Seems like a great time to do it if they can’t even run at full capacity. Assuming the shop has staff