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Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:14 pm

Welcome to Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022. Please continue to add your comments below

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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:53 pm

Following up from the previous thread, anyone want to make an educated guess on what 2022 holds in store? Here’s my list.

2022 Predictions
- DL reinstates CVG, adds JFK, upgages BOS/LGA.
- WN brings back/adds non-leisure routes i.e MKE, IND, RDU, SMF etc
- New terminal continues construction on schedule. Confirming retail tenants and gate assignments.
- Further reduction of G4 and F9. Why do ULCCs have such a hard time here?
- AC resumes YYZ
- Sun Country?

Beyond 2022
- B6 adds Florida routes and maybe SJU
- FI returns
- WN adds to leisure markets in Mexico and Caribbean. Additional domestic gaps gradually added (SJC, JAX, CLE, CMH etc)
- BA w/ 4X weekly 788 to LHR
- WN or HA (if they order the A321XLR) to HNL
- AM or Y4 to GDL/MEX
- Breeze with flights to southeastern/eastern markets.
- Long shot: DL adds AMS/CDG or Condor to FRA.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:07 am

Passenger boarding bridges arrive in March
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 03, 2022 3:54 pm

trexel94 wrote:
Following up from the previous thread, anyone want to make an educated guess on what 2022 holds in store? Here’s my list.

2022 Predictions
- DL reinstates CVG, adds JFK, upgages BOS/LGA.
- WN brings back/adds non-leisure routes i.e MKE, IND, RDU, SMF etc
- New terminal continues construction on schedule. Confirming retail tenants and gate assignments.
- Further reduction of G4 and F9. Why do ULCCs have such a hard time here?
- AC resumes YYZ
- Sun Country?

Beyond 2022
- B6 adds Florida routes and maybe SJU
- FI returns
- WN adds to leisure markets in Mexico and Caribbean. Additional domestic gaps gradually added (SJC, JAX, CLE, CMH etc)
- BA w/ 4X weekly 788 to LHR
- WN or HA (if they order the A321XLR) to HNL
- AM or Y4 to GDL/MEX
- Breeze with flights to southeastern/eastern markets.
- Long shot: DL adds AMS/CDG or Condor to FRA.


I thought retail tenants have already been confirmed, no?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:41 pm

KCaviator wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
Following up from the previous thread, anyone want to make an educated guess on what 2022 holds in store? Here’s my list.

2022 Predictions
- DL reinstates CVG, adds JFK, upgages BOS/LGA.
- WN brings back/adds non-leisure routes i.e MKE, IND, RDU, SMF etc
- New terminal continues construction on schedule. Confirming retail tenants and gate assignments.
- Further reduction of G4 and F9. Why do ULCCs have such a hard time here?
- AC resumes YYZ
- Sun Country?

Beyond 2022
- B6 adds Florida routes and maybe SJU
- FI returns
- WN adds to leisure markets in Mexico and Caribbean. Additional domestic gaps gradually added (SJC, JAX, CLE, CMH etc)
- BA w/ 4X weekly 788 to LHR
- WN or HA (if they order the A321XLR) to HNL
- AM or Y4 to GDL/MEX
- Breeze with flights to southeastern/eastern markets.
- Long shot: DL adds AMS/CDG or Condor to FRA.


I thought retail tenants have already been confirmed, no?

Some have but negotiations are still going for many spaces.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:16 pm

Given the fluid COVID situations I'll pass on making predictions for 2022, but I do have few comments.

- I can see DL adding JFK if travel to Europe increases dramatically, but existing connections via MSP, DET and ATL makes me think this will not happen. Furthermore, B6 will already start serving JFK and I just don't think there's much demand left over for DL.
- I can see DL upgauging BOS to compete with B6's A220 flights.
- I don't think that ULCC work at MCI mainly because with DL, AA and SW one can get pretty much anywhere at a decent fare.
- Before COVID, AC served MCI with a CRJ-200 which says something about the demand for travel to YYZ. Who in the area around here here really needs to fly to the GTA?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:24 pm

FlyingJhawk wrote:
Given the fluid COVID situations I'll pass on making predictions for 2022, but I do have few comments.

- I can see DL adding JFK if travel to Europe increases dramatically, but existing connections via MSP, DET and ATL makes me think this will not happen. Furthermore, B6 will already start serving JFK and I just don't think there's much demand left over for DL.
- I can see DL upgauging BOS to compete with B6's A220 flights.
- I don't think that ULCC work at MCI mainly because with DL, AA and SW one can get pretty much anywhere at a decent fare.
- Before COVID, AC served MCI with a CRJ-200 which says something about the demand for travel to YYZ. Who in the area around here here really needs to fly to the GTA?


FWIW - DL already has MCI-BOS loaded on A220s during the summer. I’m not sure if you were referring to that being upgauged even further or if you meant upgauging from a 175
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:31 pm

FlyingJhawk wrote:
Given the fluid COVID situations I'll pass on making predictions for 2022, but I do have few comments.

- I can see DL adding JFK if travel to Europe increases dramatically, but existing connections via MSP, DET and ATL makes me think this will not happen. Furthermore, B6 will already start serving JFK and I just don't think there's much demand left over for DL.
- I can see DL upgauging BOS to compete with B6's A220 flights.
- I don't think that ULCC work at MCI mainly because with DL, AA and SW one can get pretty much anywhere at a decent fare.
- Before COVID, AC served MCI with a CRJ-200 which says something about the demand for travel to YYZ. Who in the area around here here really needs to fly to the GTA?


Perhaps but unless you’re going to AMS, CDG or LHR there are many DL routes that can only be accessed at JFK. A 1/2x daily flight on an E175 seems low risk. DL is already dumping three A220 flights to BOS this summer.

Your right about SY, I just thought it might be a possibility since MCI is basically the only major Midwest city without its service aside from DTW and the fact just about all of their routes have competition. Plus if WN doesn’t resume MSP, that leaves an opening for them.

AC has already been confirmed to return this spring and they’ve been flying here with the crj200 for over 20 years.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:37 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
FlyingJhawk wrote:
Given the fluid COVID situations I'll pass on making predictions for 2022, but I do have few comments.

- I can see DL adding JFK if travel to Europe increases dramatically, but existing connections via MSP, DET and ATL makes me think this will not happen. Furthermore, B6 will already start serving JFK and I just don't think there's much demand left over for DL.
- I can see DL upgauging BOS to compete with B6's A220 flights.
- I don't think that ULCC work at MCI mainly because with DL, AA and SW one can get pretty much anywhere at a decent fare.
- Before COVID, AC served MCI with a CRJ-200 which says something about the demand for travel to YYZ. Who in the area around here here really needs to fly to the GTA?


FWIW - DL already has MCI-BOS loaded on A220s during the summer. I’m not sure if you were referring to that being upgauged even further or if you meant upgauging from a 175


Sorry for the confusion, there have been instances where DL or another airline uploads an upgage only to retract. Remember AS was suppose to upgage PDX to the 738 but it never happened. AC was also supposed to upgage YYZ to the CRJ900 but that never happened either. That’s why they’re under “predictions”. Suddenly dumping three mainline flights seems like an overreaction to B6’s entry.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:52 pm

Still awaiting WN to reinstate MCI-ABQ on a daily basis. It ran for a couple Saturdays during Thanksgiving and Christmas/New Years but not again thru the summer at this point. It would help to tag on TUS behind it, MCI-ABQ-TUS, like EA and BN once did.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 03, 2022 11:41 pm

Most my travel is west coast and there aren't many non-stop options outside of LAX and SEA on DL, SAN on WN, PDX on AS. I thought UA used to have nonstop MCI-SFO but in just checking a few random dates I don't see it. I'm Diamond on DL and Premier 1K on UA so those are my obvious preferences.

I forgot about the A220 service to BOS on DL later in the year. My favorite narrow body next to the 752/753.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:56 am

FlyingJhawk wrote:
Most my travel is west coast and there aren't many non-stop options outside of LAX and SEA on DL, SAN on WN, PDX on AS. I thought UA used to have nonstop MCI-SFO but in just checking a few random dates I don't see it. I'm Diamond on DL and Premier 1K on UA so those are my obvious preferences.

I forgot about the A220 service to BOS on DL later in the year. My favorite narrow body next to the 752/753.

United used to fly SFO
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:57 am

FlyingJhawk wrote:
Most my travel is west coast and there aren't many non-stop options outside of LAX and SEA on DL, SAN on WN, PDX on AS. I thought UA used to have nonstop MCI-SFO but in just checking a few random dates I don't see it. I'm Diamond on DL and Premier 1K on UA so those are my obvious preferences.

I forgot about the A220 service to BOS on DL later in the year. My favorite narrow body next to the 752/753.


UA SFO is “scheduled” to start back up June 3.

WN flys to Oakland and LAX.
Sea on AS also.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Jan 04, 2022 3:24 am

Jshank83 wrote:
FlyingJhawk wrote:
Most my travel is west coast and there aren't many non-stop options outside of LAX and SEA on DL, SAN on WN, PDX on AS. I thought UA used to have nonstop MCI-SFO but in just checking a few random dates I don't see it. I'm Diamond on DL and Premier 1K on UA so those are my obvious preferences.

I forgot about the A220 service to BOS on DL later in the year. My favorite narrow body next to the 752/753.


UA SFO is “scheduled” to start back up June 3.

WN flys to Oakland and LAX.
Sea on AS also.


Good to hear about the non-stop MCI-SFO on UA which I might be able to take for a month or so.
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:26 am

Im calling it SLC-MCI on WN. WN has 20 routes from SLC and this route makes perfect sense. Lets hope it happens!
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:19 pm

MCI-LAX appears to be switching to the 321 from tomorrow onward after a quick search on FR24. DL2942.

-Rowen
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:31 pm

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MCI-LAX appears to be switching to the 321 from tomorrow onward after a quick search on FR24. DL2942.

-Rowen

This has come a long way since it wasn't until late spring last year that DL restarted this route with an E170 and many times I saw empty seats.

I just wish it didn't leave so damn early. Ugh.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:21 pm

res77W wrote:
MCI-LAX appears to be switching to the 321 from tomorrow onward after a quick search on FR24. DL2942.

-Rowen

Yep; we're on it on 2/26 as first leg to LIH for a conference.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:56 pm

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- DL reinstates CVG, adds JFK, upgages BOS/LGA.


CVG-DTW/SLC are the only remaining DL nonstop routes out of CVG that don't have any nonstop competition after the cuts that DL has made at CVG in the last 2 years.

The remaining connecting opportunities would still be there through CVG on DL are either
(a) to DL hubs such as BOS/DTW/LGA that already have DL nonstop service out of MCI or
(b) to destinations such as EWR/JFK/DCA that already have 1-stop connecting service from MCI through DTW or ATL on DL.

The PDEW of MCI-CVG was only 25 passengers/day in Q2 2021 compared to a PDEW of 84 passengers/day in Q2 2019.

DL can probably more easily fill MCI-CVG nonstop flights than WN could with DL being able to use 70-seat CRJ-900 regional jets on the MCI-CVG route whereas WN would need to fill a 143-seat 737-700 or larger plane.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Feb 25, 2022 5:56 pm

KCI New Terminal:

This thread has a few photos and updates

https://kcrag.com/viewtopic.php?p=635365#p635365
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:57 pm

Went thru the Southwest March schedule for MCI.
Anything in the schedule I listed even if there were not any flights for March.
45 flights a day

No ABQ/SAT/SNA/MIA in the schedule anymore.
LAX cut back to Saturday only

City....Friday ...Saturday ...Sunday
Atlanta, GA - ATL 1 1 1
Austin, TX - AUS 2 1 2
Baltimore/Washington, MD - BWI 2 1 2
Cancun, Mexico - CUN 0 1 0
Charleston, SC - CHS 0 0 0
Chicago (Midway), IL - MDW 4 3 4
Dallas (Love Field), TX - DAL 5 4 5
Denver, CO - DEN 5 4 5
Destin/Fort Walton Beach, FL - VPS 0 0 0
Fort Lauderdale, FL - FLL 1 2 1
Fort Myers, FL - RSW 1 1 1
Houston (Hobby), TX - HOU 2 2 2
Las Vegas, NV - LAS 3 3 3
Los Angeles, CA - LAX 0 1 0
Myrtle Beach, SC - MYR 0 0 0
Nashville, TN - BNA 2 1 2
New Orleans, LA - MSY 1 1 1
New York (LaGuardia), NY - LGA 1 1 1
Oakland, CA - OAK 1 0 1
Orlando, FL - MCON 3 5 3
Panama City Beach, FL - ECP 0 1 0
Pensacola, FL - PNS 0 0 0
Phoenix, AZ - PHXN 4 6 4
Portland, OR - PDX 0 0 0
San Diego, CA - SAN 1 1 1
Sarasota/Bradenton, FL - SRQ 0 1 0
St. Louis, MO - STL 2 1 2
Tampa, FL - TPA 2 2 2
Washington (Reagan National), DC - DCA 2 1 2
Seattle/Tacoma, WA - SEA 0 0 0
TOTAL 45 45 45
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:30 pm

trexel94 wrote:
Following up from the previous thread, anyone want to make an educated guess on what 2022 holds in store? Here’s my list.

2022 Predictions
- DL reinstates CVG, adds JFK, upgages BOS/LGA.


BOS is upgauged, LGA has to be a matter of time. I'm having a hard time understanding why they upgauged one and not the other.

WN is also reinstating its second LGA flight on April 3, one week after B6 arrives.
 
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Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:54 pm

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BOS is upgauged, LGA has to be a matter of time. I'm having a hard time understanding why they upgauged one and not the other.


DL faces more nonstop competition on MCI-LGA with AA and WN serving LGA nonstop from MCI, B6 starting MCI-JFK nonstop service next month, and UA serving EWR nonstop from MCI.

MCI-BOS doesn't have the amount of nonstop competition that MCI-NYC does.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:13 am

Hi - New to this forum I’m an Aviation fan and MCI frequent flyer. Has anyone heard more detail re the airline lounge situation? Early on there were reports of a cobranded DL AA UA club. DL leased 11K sq ft, which is a huge club IMO, way larger than I think DL could fill even if they had a DL or Skyteam TATL nonstop. 5K sq ft would be closer to market, that is about the size of the UA clubs in DFW and ATL which seem close to DLs traffic here. So spacewise, an 11K sqft would be right for a cobranded club, but I don’t see DL sharing. I also read there was other club space, but not sure where. Maybe a 3rd party or Centurion club?
 
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Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:22 pm

My SEA/MCI flight was upgauged from the A221 (which I wanted) to an A320. Seems the upgauge hits after the first week of June.
 
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Sun Mar 20, 2022 3:34 pm

MCIsundevil wrote:
Hi - New to this forum I’m an Aviation fan and MCI frequent flyer. Has anyone heard more detail re the airline lounge situation? Early on there were reports of a cobranded DL AA UA club. DL leased 11K sq ft, which is a huge club IMO, way larger than I think DL could fill even if they had a DL or Skyteam TATL nonstop. 5K sq ft would be closer to market, that is about the size of the UA clubs in DFW and ATL which seem close to DLs traffic here. So spacewise, an 11K sqft would be right for a cobranded club, but I don’t see DL sharing. I also read there was other club space, but not sure where. Maybe a 3rd party or Centurion club?


I can’t see any way they cobrand.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Mar 20, 2022 7:17 pm

Going to try out the JFK service on B6 next month. Still hoping DL upgauges LGA though. Still confused why they upgauged BOS and not LGA.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Mar 20, 2022 10:49 pm

MCIsundevil wrote:
Hi - New to this forum I’m an Aviation fan and MCI frequent flyer. Has anyone heard more detail re the airline lounge situation? Early on there were reports of a cobranded DL AA UA club. DL leased 11K sq ft, which is a huge club IMO, way larger than I think DL could fill even if they had a DL or Skyteam TATL nonstop. 5K sq ft would be closer to market, that is about the size of the UA clubs in DFW and ATL which seem close to DLs traffic here. So spacewise, an 11K sqft would be right for a cobranded club, but I don’t see DL sharing. I also read there was other club space, but not sure where. Maybe a 3rd party or Centurion club?

DL only. There have never been talks of a co-branded club.
 
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Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:32 pm

FlyingJhawk wrote:
Most my travel is west coast and there aren't many non-stop options outside of LAX and SEA on DL, SAN on WN, PDX on AS.


LAX, SEA, SAN, PDX, OAK, and SFO on UA is starting in June….
What other west coast options from Kansas City are missing?
 
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Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:32 pm

citationjet wrote:
FlyingJhawk wrote:
Most my travel is west coast and there aren't many non-stop options outside of LAX and SEA on DL, SAN on WN, PDX on AS.


LAX, SEA, SAN, PDX, OAK, and SFO on UA is starting in June….
What other west coast options from Kansas City are missing?


Pretty sure that is the list. SNA was cut I am pretty sure.
 
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Tue Mar 22, 2022 4:40 pm

WaywardMemphian wrote:
My SEA/MCI flight was upgauged from the A221 (which I wanted) to an A320. Seems the upgauge hits after the first week of June.


Nice, they are going head-to-head with AS in capacity. SLC-MCI is still 1x A319 and 2x A221 in June.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:50 pm

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My SEA/MCI flight was upgauged from the A221 (which I wanted) to an A320. Seems the upgauge hits after the first week of June.


Yep. We fly MCI-SEA 5/28 and back on 6/3 on A221 birds. In August, our flights to/from SEA have been upgauged to A320s. I enjoy the A221 but nice to see traffic necessitates upgauging.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:52 pm

MCIsundevil wrote:
Hi - New to this forum I’m an Aviation fan and MCI frequent flyer. Has anyone heard more detail re the airline lounge situation? Early on there were reports of a cobranded DL AA UA club. DL leased 11K sq ft, which is a huge club IMO, way larger than I think DL could fill even if they had a DL or Skyteam TATL nonstop. 5K sq ft would be closer to market, that is about the size of the UA clubs in DFW and ATL which seem close to DLs traffic here. So spacewise, an 11K sqft would be right for a cobranded club, but I don’t see DL sharing. I also read there was other club space, but not sure where. Maybe a 3rd party or Centurion club?

DL initially wanted a 7500 sqft lounge but the space wasn’t compatible for such an arrangement so they settled for the combined 11k space. From my understanding, another lounge is in the works and would occupy a restaurant/retail space on the main floor.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:09 pm

Looks like WN is hinting expansion once the new terminal opens and city leaders are bullish overall for increased service including international flights . WN will be allocated 10 gates. Excepts from the article below

“Mike Van de Ven, who in September became president of Southwest Airlines, highlighted Kansas City as an economically strong connector, alongside cities like Austin, Indianapolis and Tampa, in the airline's point-to-point network of flights.

"We'll have probably 10 gates there at the (terminal). We'll be clustered there, it'll allow us to be very efficient, it'll allow us to connect passengers more easily in there and it will give us opportunities to add more activity in there," Van de Ven said.

“There's demand there that is independent of the facility. What helps is if the facility then can also support that," Van de Ven said. "Kansas City will be in a spot where they haven't been for a while.”

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... minal.html

City leaders discuss international exposure and long haul flights.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kshb.c ... f_amp=true

BTW, AC is returning daily YYZ service a month early on June 3rd instead of July 1st.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:32 pm

trexel94 wrote:
Looks like WN is hinting expansion once the new terminal opens and city leaders are bullish overall for increased service including international flights . WN will be allocated 10 gates. Excepts from the article below

“Mike Van de Ven, who in September became president of Southwest Airlines, highlighted Kansas City as an economically strong connector, alongside cities like Austin, Indianapolis and Tampa, in the airline's point-to-point network of flights.

"We'll have probably 10 gates there at the (terminal). We'll be clustered there, it'll allow us to be very efficient, it'll allow us to connect passengers more easily in there and it will give us opportunities to add more activity in there," Van de Ven said.

“There's demand there that is independent of the facility. What helps is if the facility then can also support that," Van de Ven said. "Kansas City will be in a spot where they haven't been for a while.”

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... minal.html

City leaders discuss international exposure and long haul flights.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kshb.c ... f_amp=true

BTW, AC is returning daily YYZ service a month early on June 3rd instead of July 1st.



Realistically, not sure how much connecting passenger traffic MCI expects to gain. Especially when they’re smack in the middle between DEN, one of WN’s main bases and STL, another large WN base.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:56 pm

sea13 wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
Looks like WN is hinting expansion once the new terminal opens and city leaders are bullish overall for increased service including international flights . WN will be allocated 10 gates. Excepts from the article below

“Mike Van de Ven, who in September became president of Southwest Airlines, highlighted Kansas City as an economically strong connector, alongside cities like Austin, Indianapolis and Tampa, in the airline's point-to-point network of flights.

"We'll have probably 10 gates there at the (terminal). We'll be clustered there, it'll allow us to be very efficient, it'll allow us to connect passengers more easily in there and it will give us opportunities to add more activity in there," Van de Ven said.

“There's demand there that is independent of the facility. What helps is if the facility then can also support that," Van de Ven said. "Kansas City will be in a spot where they haven't been for a while.”

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... minal.html

City leaders discuss international exposure and long haul flights.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kshb.c ... f_amp=true

BTW, AC is returning daily YYZ service a month early on June 3rd instead of July 1st.



Realistically, not sure how much connecting passenger traffic MCI expects to gain. Especially when they’re smack in the middle between DEN, one of WN’s main bases and STL, another large WN base.


Also when you add BNA/MDW/DAL in the mix. They pretty surrounded by other big WN stations

That said, I am sure it will open up some routes for Southwest that are on the cusp now that it will be easier to move passengers thru there to help fill up a flight. I did think they would have more than 10 gates to start though. Guessing that puts them in the 80-85 flights a day range?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:38 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
sea13 wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
Looks like WN is hinting expansion once the new terminal opens and city leaders are bullish overall for increased service including international flights . WN will be allocated 10 gates. Excepts from the article below

“Mike Van de Ven, who in September became president of Southwest Airlines, highlighted Kansas City as an economically strong connector, alongside cities like Austin, Indianapolis and Tampa, in the airline's point-to-point network of flights.

"We'll have probably 10 gates there at the (terminal). We'll be clustered there, it'll allow us to be very efficient, it'll allow us to connect passengers more easily in there and it will give us opportunities to add more activity in there," Van de Ven said.

“There's demand there that is independent of the facility. What helps is if the facility then can also support that," Van de Ven said. "Kansas City will be in a spot where they haven't been for a while.”

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... minal.html

City leaders discuss international exposure and long haul flights.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kshb.c ... f_amp=true

BTW, AC is returning daily YYZ service a month early on June 3rd instead of July 1st.



Realistically, not sure how much connecting passenger traffic MCI expects to gain. Especially when they’re smack in the middle between DEN, one of WN’s main bases and STL, another large WN base.


Also when you add BNA/MDW/DAL in the mix. They pretty surrounded by other big WN stations

That said, I am sure it will open up some routes for Southwest that are on the cusp now that it will be easier to move passengers thru there to help fill up a flight. I did think they would have more than 10 gates to start though. Guessing that puts them in the 80-85 flights a day range?

Agree, KC doesn’t need to be a massive DEN/STL WN station but there are still a number of routes with sufficient O/D that should be served; JAX, CLE, PIT, SMF, SJO etc as well as pre-covid routes; MKE, IND and RDU that would be great. Otherwise, I like the service diversity and healthy amount of mainline flights we have from other carriers without WN eating everyone’s lunch.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:59 am

Has anyone heard how the JetBlue flights are booking? I looked thru the seatmaps the first couple days and they are really wide open. Boston’s first Monday flight only has 10 seats taken up. I know not every fare you pick a seat, but there can’t be THAT many people on that fare.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Mar 24, 2022 1:18 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Has anyone heard how the JetBlue flights are booking? I looked thru the seatmaps the first couple days and they are really wide open. Boston’s first Monday flight only has 10 seats taken up. I know not every fare you pick a seat, but there can’t be THAT many people on that fare.


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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Mar 24, 2022 1:33 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Has anyone heard how the JetBlue flights are booking? I looked thru the seatmaps the first couple days and they are really wide open. Boston’s first Monday flight only has 10 seats taken up. I know not every fare you pick a seat, but there can’t be THAT many people on that fare.


I have noticed the same with the JFK flights starting the day after the inaugural flight with seat maps in the 20's. I am rooting for JetBlue as I travel to NYC on business a bunch and love to have an opportunity to fly with them. I will say, I have not seen any advertising at all for JetBlue here in KC and that may be the problem. The JetBlue brand is not that well known beyond us avgeeks in the Midwest and I was hoping they would do a fair amount of ads to let people know they are now flying from KC.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Mar 24, 2022 1:51 pm

To my eyes, airlines don't advertise much anymore, or if they do, what are the chances you will see it-- as the advertising options with cable TV and social media and so forth are so plentiful. But saying that, as a Clevelander, it is surprising to me how much Spirit and Frontier have grown here with very, very, very little advertising that I ever see. I remember when airline billboards (Southwest's were always the most creative) and newspaper ads were routine. Now, we have Alaska coming to CLE finally for the first time, and not one ounce of ads that I've seen. Or let me clarify a bit, airlines do seem to still have national brand awareness types of campaigns but not as much locally as I used to remember.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Mar 24, 2022 2:52 pm

ncflyer wrote:
To my eyes, airlines don't advertise much anymore, or if they do, what are the chances you will see it-- as the advertising options with cable TV and social media and so forth are so plentiful. But saying that, as a Clevelander, it is surprising to me how much Spirit and Frontier have grown here with very, very, very little advertising that I ever see. I remember when airline billboards (Southwest's were always the most creative) and newspaper ads were routine. Now, we have Alaska coming to CLE finally for the first time, and not one ounce of ads that I've seen. Or let me clarify a bit, airlines do seem to still have national brand awareness types of campaigns but not as much locally as I used to remember.


Now that I think of it, really the only one I see advertise around where I live (STL) is Allegiant. They have billboards by STL and other places around. I'll see a commercial once in awhile.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:58 pm

Three years ago to this day the ground was broken on Kansas City International Airport’s new single terminal and what was once a rendering is now much closer to being a reality.

“I checked my countdown calendar today: 11 months, six days until March of 2023,” Pat Klein, Kansas City’s director of aviation, said. “We are still on time. We’re still on budget.”

Klein’s comment came during a media tour of the the new terminal project Thursday afternoon to give an update on the project now that it’s one year away from completion.

Construction on the new terminal is about 80% done, said Mark Goodwin, vice president of Clark | Weitz | Clarkson. About 625 men and women are working on the job site every day.

Workers have a “nice train of activities” on interior work that will keep them busy the next six to nine months. Finishes on the inside of the building are about 60% complete. The baggage handling system is largely installed, but there’s a lot of testing left to go. And there’s a significant amount of air side paving left to go.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Mar 26, 2022 10:58 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Has anyone heard how the JetBlue flights are booking? I looked thru the seatmaps the first couple days and they are really wide open. Boston’s first Monday flight only has 10 seats taken up. I know not every fare you pick a seat, but there can’t be THAT many people on that fare.



I was booked on the inaugural BOS flight but had to cancel. ;(.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Mar 26, 2022 11:16 pm

ncflyer wrote:
To my eyes, airlines don't advertise much anymore, or if they do, what are the chances you will see it-- as the advertising options with cable TV and social media and so forth are so plentiful. But saying that, as a Clevelander, it is surprising to me how much Spirit and Frontier have grown here with very, very, very little advertising that I ever see. I remember when airline billboards (Southwest's were always the most creative) and newspaper ads were routine. Now, we have Alaska coming to CLE finally for the first time, and not one ounce of ads that I've seen. Or let me clarify a bit, airlines do seem to still have national brand awareness types of campaigns but not as much locally as I used to remember.


It's understandable. The monied demographic that airlines go after don't watch network TV or read newspapers any longer. But there are adverts all over major sports arenas, golf tournaments, social media, etc.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Mar 26, 2022 11:28 pm

Looks like B6's JFK flight will connect both ways with LHR too. Pretty cool!
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:03 pm

Today's the day for the inaugural B6 flight. What gate are they using?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Mar 27, 2022 3:03 pm

KCaviator wrote:
Today's the day for the inaugural B6 flight. What gate are they using?

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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:16 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
KCaviator wrote:
Today's the day for the inaugural B6 flight. What gate are they using?

87


Thanks! I've been in and out of that area a lot lately but haven't noticed any dedicated ticket counter. Are they sharing with AA?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:28 am

The city manager was present at the event and stated additional routes could follow if JFK/BOS perform well. I’m thinking FLL but other possibilities could be LAX and if they really like us, perhaps open up a Caribbean route like SJU (one of the largest unserved leisure destinations from KC in 2019).

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