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strangeplanes
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed May 18, 2022 3:47 am

Jshank83 wrote:
^and you also have delta running 3 flights a day when Delta I would guess is a lot stronger POS at MCI.

I’ll be curious how Delta does vs JetBlue at JFK also


B6 is happy with the rollout so far. FLL or Caribbean adds would really grow the brand here.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue May 24, 2022 10:27 pm

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strangeplanes wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
^and you also have delta running 3 flights a day when Delta I would guess is a lot stronger POS at MCI.

I’ll be curious how Delta does vs JetBlue at JFK also


B6 is happy with the rollout so far. FLL or Caribbean adds would really grow the brand here.


That’s good. I’m hoping we see a second JFK flight. FLL would be a good add, and maybe MCO.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon May 30, 2022 2:04 am

Cargo is up another 30% this year. Amazon has scaled up to the size of UPS. How many routes is Amazon running from KC?

A KCI presentation mentioned new ramp space for Amazon Air and an MRO hanger for an unnamed tenant.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:28 pm

F9 will launch daily flights to LAS beginning 8/9.

It also appears B6 and DL have driven WN off MCI-BOS as the route no longer shows in WN’s offerings.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:38 pm

trexel94 wrote:
F9 will launch daily flights to LAS beginning 8/9.

It also appears B6 and DL have driven WN off MCI-BOS as the route no longer shows in WN’s offerings.


WN cut Boston before covid if I remember correctly. It hasn’t run since 2019 and wasn’t on the schedule for 2020 even before covid.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:48 pm

trexel94 wrote:
F9 will launch daily flights to LAS beginning 8/9.

It also appears B6 and DL have driven WN off MCI-BOS as the route no longer shows in WN’s offerings.



I expect it will come back on WN once they begin to rebuild their network
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Jun 11, 2022 10:08 pm

strangeplanes wrote:
Cargo is up another 30% this year. Amazon has scaled up to the size of UPS. How many routes is Amazon running from KC?

A KCI presentation mentioned new ramp space for Amazon Air and an MRO hanger for an unnamed tenant.


Current Amazon flights
Sun Country runs LAL on 737s
ATI runs SBD on 767s
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Jun 11, 2022 10:26 pm

Here are the Q4 2021 PDEW's out of MCI to the top contiguous U.S. markets that aren't currently served nonstop from MCI on WN:
MCI-BOS/MHT/PVD - 191
MCI-DTW - 149
MCI-SLC - 134
MCI-PHL - 134
MCI-CLT - 131
MCI-MSP - 130
MCI-SAT - 87
MCI-RDU - 87
MCI-SMF - 73
MCI-JAX - 60
MCI-CLE/CAK - 59
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 12:03 am

jplatts wrote:
Here are the Q4 2021 PDEW's out of MCI to the top contiguous U.S. markets that aren't currently served nonstop from MCI on WN:
MCI-BOS/MHT/PVD - 191
MCI-DTW - 149
MCI-SLC - 134
MCI-PHL - 134
MCI-CLT - 131
MCI-MSP - 130
MCI-SAT - 87
MCI-RDU - 87
MCI-SMF - 73
MCI-JAX - 60
MCI-CLE/CAK - 59
I'm surprised IND isn't on the list

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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:49 am

trexel94 wrote:
F9 will launch daily flights to LAS beginning 8/9.

It also appears B6 and DL have driven WN off MCI-BOS as the route no longer shows in WN’s offerings.


Think there is any chance a MCI > MKE will comeback when the new terminal opens?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:03 am

mbeutler81 wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
F9 will launch daily flights to LAS beginning 8/9.

It also appears B6 and DL have driven WN off MCI-BOS as the route no longer shows in WN’s offerings.


Think there is any chance a MCI > MKE will comeback when the new terminal opens?


Not until the staffing crisis is resolved, inflation is tamed and business travel recovers further. Plus, fears of an upcoming recession isn't helping either.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:05 am

WN to resume RDU (albeit Saturdays only) in November.

In addition, KC will be a host city for the World Cup in 2026. How will the games affect traffic and afterwards?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:50 pm

New lounge construction permit filed with city hall for concourse A. No airline mentioned so it may be a generic pay-per-pass lounge or a USO. Personally I'm hoping it will be a Plaza Premium (they made a proposal for the future Skyclub space) or an Admirals Club since AA will be in concourse A.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Jul 06, 2022 4:49 pm

trexel94 wrote:
New lounge construction permit filed with city hall for concourse A. No airline mentioned so it may be a generic pay-per-pass lounge or a USO. Personally I'm hoping it will be a Plaza Premium (they made a proposal for the future Skyclub space) or an Admirals Club since AA will be in concourse A.


What's the layout of concourse/gate assignments in the new terminal?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:05 pm

KCaviator wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
New lounge construction permit filed with city hall for concourse A. No airline mentioned so it may be a generic pay-per-pass lounge or a USO. Personally I'm hoping it will be a Plaza Premium (they made a proposal for the future Skyclub space) or an Admirals Club since AA will be in concourse A.


What's the layout of concourse/gate assignments in the new terminal?

The gate assignments are as follows ATM

WN: B60-B69 (10 gates, up from their current 8)
NK: B61 (I guess they’ll share the gate with WN since most of their flights are seasonal and less than daily)
F9: B59
G4: B57

DL and UA will also be in concourse B leaving AA, AS, AC and B6 in concourse A.
The remaining gate assignments will be announced soon.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:24 am

MCI-MSP on DL is severely downgauged from this time last year when it was all A319s. Now it’s 2-3 CR9 and 1xA320. What happened? Is staffing more of an issue on regionals or mainline?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:52 am

trexel94 wrote:
New lounge construction permit filed with city hall for concourse A. No airline mentioned so it may be a generic pay-per-pass lounge or a USO. Personally I'm hoping it will be a Plaza Premium (they made a proposal for the future Skyclub space) or an Admirals Club since AA will be in concourse A.


Hopefully it takes priority pass. I lean towards connections at cities with those if I have to take a connection. The Club ones I like. Or STL has wingtips. It’s about the same thing. If the international flight MCI gets isn’t skyteam they might also rent it out for their flights.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:46 pm

I haven’t seen the gate numbering plan, but I thought the terminal was planned at a max of 50 gates between the two concourses - why would there be numbers to B69 even if the numbers start in A concourse and continue to B?

Also, interesting as I had assumed UA would take A gates since they seem to opt for convenient gates at non-hubs; maybe they plan to move to A when gates are expanded from 34 to 39 after current terminal B is removed to make room?

Just Speculating- if the club space in A is for Admirals Club, the TATL may be BA as customs appears to be in A (yes of course a DL TATL could depart B and arrive A).
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:59 pm

MCIsundevil wrote:
I haven’t seen the gate numbering plan, but I thought the terminal was planned at a max of 50 gates between the two concourses - why would there be numbers to B69 even if the numbers start in A concourse and continue to B?

Also, interesting as I had assumed UA would take A gates since they seem to opt for convenient gates at non-hubs; maybe they plan to move to A when gates are expanded from 34 to 39 after current terminal B is removed to make room?

Just Speculating- if the club space in A is for Admirals Club, the TATL may be BA as customs appears to be in A (yes of course a DL TATL could depart B and arrive A).


Why are they only planning for a max of 50 gates?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:27 pm

trexel94 wrote:
New lounge construction permit filed with city hall for concourse A. No airline mentioned so it may be a generic pay-per-pass lounge or a USO. Personally I'm hoping it will be a Plaza Premium (they made a proposal for the future Skyclub space) or an Admirals Club since AA will be in concourse A.

Is this for the Delta Sky Club? https://simpleflying.com/kansas-city-delta-skyclub/
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:03 pm

Runway765 wrote:
MCIsundevil wrote:
I haven’t seen the gate numbering plan, but I thought the terminal was planned at a max of 50 gates between the two concourses - why would there be numbers to B69 even if the numbers start in A concourse and continue to B?

Also, interesting as I had assumed UA would take A gates since they seem to opt for convenient gates at non-hubs; maybe they plan to move to A when gates are expanded from 34 to 39 after current terminal B is removed to make room?

Just Speculating- if the club space in A is for Admirals Club, the TATL may be BA as customs appears to be in A (yes of course a DL TATL could depart B and arrive A).


Why are they only planning for a max of 50 gates?


Because that should be plenty for them for awhile. I’m sure they did a study on how many they would need for the next few decades and that’s what they came up with.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:19 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Runway765 wrote:
MCIsundevil wrote:
I haven’t seen the gate numbering plan, but I thought the terminal was planned at a max of 50 gates between the two concourses - why would there be numbers to B69 even if the numbers start in A concourse and continue to B?

Also, interesting as I had assumed UA would take A gates since they seem to opt for convenient gates at non-hubs; maybe they plan to move to A when gates are expanded from 34 to 39 after current terminal B is removed to make room?

Just Speculating- if the club space in A is for Admirals Club, the TATL may be BA as customs appears to be in A (yes of course a DL TATL could depart B and arrive A).


Why are they only planning for a max of 50 gates?


Because that should be plenty for them for awhile. I’m sure they did a study on how many they would need for the next few decades and that’s what they came up with.


50 is plenty for the new design. The new STL plan and layout is for 62 which is perfect.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:24 pm

Runway765 wrote:
MCIsundevil wrote:
I haven’t seen the gate numbering plan, but I thought the terminal was planned at a max of 50 gates between the two concourses - why would there be numbers to B69 even if the numbers start in A concourse and continue to B?

Also, interesting as I had assumed UA would take A gates since they seem to opt for convenient gates at non-hubs; maybe they plan to move to A when gates are expanded from 34 to 39 after current terminal B is removed to make room?

Just Speculating- if the club space in A is for Admirals Club, the TATL may be BA as customs appears to be in A (yes of course a DL TATL could depart B and arrive A).


Why are they only planning for a max of 50 gates?



That’s why I asked about the gate assignments with numbering as high as B69. The original plans that were posted at one point, early on, had 34 to start, 39 after current terminal B is removed, and expandable by extending concourse A further south to make 50. I suppose concourse B could be extended south if the fire station is moved, or B and maybe A extended north if the aviation department maintenance facilities, etc are relocated to make room there, and perhaps the numbering plan for the gates reflects that.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:28 pm

TWA302 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Runway765 wrote:

Why are they only planning for a max of 50 gates?


Because that should be plenty for them for awhile. I’m sure they did a study on how many they would need for the next few decades and that’s what they came up with.


50 is plenty for the new design. The new STL plan and layout is for 62 which is perfect.


I guess, I just thought that maybe 60 would’ve been a better number for MCI since it was closer to what STL is planning, though STL is a bit different because of the large WN station.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:40 pm

Runway765 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

Because that should be plenty for them for awhile. I’m sure they did a study on how many they would need for the next few decades and that’s what they came up with.


50 is plenty for the new design. The new STL plan and layout is for 62 which is perfect.


I guess, I just thought that maybe 60 would’ve been a better number for MCI since it was closer to what STL is planning, though STL is a bit different because of the large WN station.


STL is just a larger station in general. More O&D. More population. I think pre covid is was around 33% more passengers and it’s recovered a bit faster passenger wise. Neither is likely to explode at a BNA/AUS pace so it isn’t like it needs a bunch more gates than it is currently using.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:28 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Runway765 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:

50 is plenty for the new design. The new STL plan and layout is for 62 which is perfect.


I guess, I just thought that maybe 60 would’ve been a better number for MCI since it was closer to what STL is planning, though STL is a bit different because of the large WN station.


STL is just a larger station in general. More O&D. More population. I think pre covid is was around 33% more passengers and it’s recovered a bit faster passenger wise. Neither is likely to explode at a BNA/AUS pace so it isn’t like it needs a bunch more gates than it is currently using.


There were earlier plans from 2009 portraying a satellite concourse across from one of the runways once the new terminal was maxed out. Just move the satellite terminal concept to the west to match the current layout. See page 6.
https://www.flykci.com/media/s45f0bxp/m ... 2-2009.pdf
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:30 pm

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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:35 pm

worldtraveler2 wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
New lounge construction permit filed with city hall for concourse A. No airline mentioned so it may be a generic pay-per-pass lounge or a USO. Personally I'm hoping it will be a Plaza Premium (they made a proposal for the future Skyclub space) or an Admirals Club since AA will be in concourse A.

Is this for the Delta Sky Club? https://simpleflying.com/kansas-city-delta-skyclub/

No. This is a new structure for a new club. The delta Skyclub was already built and turned over to the airline according to the project update.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:38 pm

Runway765 wrote:
MCIsundevil wrote:
I haven’t seen the gate numbering plan, but I thought the terminal was planned at a max of 50 gates between the two concourses - why would there be numbers to B69 even if the numbers start in A concourse and continue to B?

Also, interesting as I had assumed UA would take A gates since they seem to opt for convenient gates at non-hubs; maybe they plan to move to A when gates are expanded from 34 to 39 after current terminal B is removed to make room?

Just Speculating- if the club space in A is for Admirals Club, the TATL may be BA as customs appears to be in A (yes of course a DL TATL could depart B and arrive A).


Why are they only planning for a max of 50 gates?


The reasoning was published early on. It’s just a generic 25% increase place holder.

It’s possible more could be fit (just looking at the Google map and using a ruler)
but you are hemmed in by the runways. think the 50 is a max for the terminal before you’d build a second (maybe connected) terminal where B is now
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:50 pm

strangeplanes wrote:
Runway765 wrote:
MCIsundevil wrote:
I haven’t seen the gate numbering plan, but I thought the terminal was planned at a max of 50 gates between the two concourses - why would there be numbers to B69 even if the numbers start in A concourse and continue to B?

Also, interesting as I had assumed UA would take A gates since they seem to opt for convenient gates at non-hubs; maybe they plan to move to A when gates are expanded from 34 to 39 after current terminal B is removed to make room?

Just Speculating- if the club space in A is for Admirals Club, the TATL may be BA as customs appears to be in A (yes of course a DL TATL could depart B and arrive A).


Why are they only planning for a max of 50 gates?


The reasoning was published early on. It’s just a generic 25% increase place holder.

It’s possible more could be fit (just looking at the Google map and using a ruler)
but you are hemmed in by the runways. think the 50 is a max for the terminal before you’d build a second (maybe connected) terminal where B is now


Yeah, I mean, I doubt they’d need more than 50 for the foreseeable future, but it’s usually good to pencil in other areas for growth even if it isn’t needed for decades.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jul 08, 2022 12:00 pm

KCI route director posted his travels in Germany this week. Lufthansa or Eurowings to KC next year?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jul 08, 2022 3:23 pm

strangeplanes wrote:
KCI route director posted his travels in Germany this week. Lufthansa or Eurowings to KC next year?


Possibly Condor.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jul 08, 2022 3:47 pm

strangeplanes wrote:
KCI route director posted his travels in Germany this week. Lufthansa or Eurowings to KC next year?


Justin Meyer tweeted he was headed to Düsseldorf, which is eurowings headquarters, and was boarding a eurowings flight at LHR. Could be nothing but..
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:29 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
strangeplanes wrote:
KCI route director posted his travels in Germany this week. Lufthansa or Eurowings to KC next year?


Justin Meyer tweeted he was headed to Düsseldorf, which is eurowings headquarters, and was boarding a eurowings flight at LHR. Could be nothing but..

According to the KC Star, he's meeting with seven airlines. It appears the meetings are specifically for KC since there's no aviation event in Dusseldorf this month. Keep in mind a potential Eurowings flight would likely operate out of FRA not DUS since Eurowings only operates long haul out of FRA and MUC.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:37 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
strangeplanes wrote:
KCI route director posted his travels in Germany this week. Lufthansa or Eurowings to KC next year?


Justin Meyer tweeted he was headed to Düsseldorf, which is eurowings headquarters, and was boarding a eurowings flight at LHR. Could be nothing but..

In order for an international flight to work the airline would have to have business class and first class customers. Discount carriers won't work. Businesses aren't going to want to put executives on low cost airlines.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:56 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
strangeplanes wrote:
KCI route director posted his travels in Germany this week. Lufthansa or Eurowings to KC next year?


Justin Meyer tweeted he was headed to Düsseldorf, which is eurowings headquarters, and was boarding a eurowings flight at LHR. Could be nothing but..

In order for an international flight to work the airline would have to have business class and first class customers. Discount carriers won't work. Businesses aren't going to want to put executives on low cost airlines.

Any airline that launches MCI-Europe likely wouldn't offer first class anyways. DL doesn't have a first class, BA's 788s don't have an FC cabin and most of LH's A330s don't either. Eurowings is hardly a discount carrier. Their A330s onboard product/service are exactly the same as LH minus the first class cabin.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:02 pm

trexel94 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

Justin Meyer tweeted he was headed to Düsseldorf, which is eurowings headquarters, and was boarding a eurowings flight at LHR. Could be nothing but..

In order for an international flight to work the airline would have to have business class and first class customers. Discount carriers won't work. Businesses aren't going to want to put executives on low cost airlines.

Any airline that launches MCI-Europe likely wouldn't offer first class anyways. DL doesn't have a first class, BA's 788s don't have an FC cabin and most of LH's A330s don't either. Eurowings is hardly a discount carrier. Their A330s onboard product/service are exactly the same as LH minus the first class cabin.

Eurowings own website says they are Lufthansa Groups low cost airline. That is their whole reason for being. Why should anyone think that is incorrect and believe you instead?
Most international carriers have first class. You're singling out a few airplanes that don't.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:15 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
In order for an international flight to work the airline would have to have business class and first class customers. Discount carriers won't work. Businesses aren't going to want to put executives on low cost airlines.

Any airline that launches MCI-Europe likely wouldn't offer first class anyways. DL doesn't have a first class, BA's 788s don't have an FC cabin and most of LH's A330s don't either. Eurowings is hardly a discount carrier. Their A330s onboard product/service are exactly the same as LH minus the first class cabin.

Eurowings own website says they are Lufthansa Groups low cost airline. That is their whole reason for being. Why should anyone think that is incorrect and believe you instead?
Most international carriers have first class. You're singling out a few airplanes that don't.


It’s a lot more than just a few airplanes…

Actually a lot of international carriers don’t offer first class. It’s normally business, premium Econ and economy. There’s some who do offer first, such as Emirates, some British Airways flights and some Lufthansa flights etc, but it’s on a small portion of the long haul fleet in many cases.

There’s no first class on many of Lufthansa’s long haul aircraft, just business and it’s very comparable to the Eurowings Discover long haul business product. Eurowings Discover is Lufthansa’s way to launch new markets at a lower operating cost.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:03 pm

FLYKTPA wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
Any airline that launches MCI-Europe likely wouldn't offer first class anyways. DL doesn't have a first class, BA's 788s don't have an FC cabin and most of LH's A330s don't either. Eurowings is hardly a discount carrier. Their A330s onboard product/service are exactly the same as LH minus the first class cabin.

Eurowings own website says they are Lufthansa Groups low cost airline. That is their whole reason for being. Why should anyone think that is incorrect and believe you instead?
Most international carriers have first class. You're singling out a few airplanes that don't.


It’s a lot more than just a few airplanes…

Actually a lot of international carriers don’t offer first class. It’s normally business, premium Econ and economy. There’s some who do offer first, such as Emirates, some British Airways flights and some Lufthansa flights etc, but it’s on a small portion of the long haul fleet in many cases.

There’s no first class on many of Lufthansa’s long haul aircraft, just business and it’s very comparable to the Eurowings Discover long haul business product. Eurowings Discover is Lufthansa’s way to launch new markets at a lower operating cost.

I don’t think many or any of the mid-sized US cities that have or had precovid euro service had 1st class.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:18 pm

I’d be curious how the dynamics of Eurowings having less premium and more economy seating, so more seats that need filled, comes into play. The -300 has about 30 more seats on Eurowings discover than Lufthansa. Although I guess they could do the -200 which brings it down by 13, but interestingly enough has more economy seats than the -300.

Guess if depends on how many business and premium Econ they think they can fill vs economy.

Although really the product between Eurowings and LH is close to the same I do think most won’t see it that way. Probably will need some good advertising to get business people on board. I would hope the focus still is on a more legacy carrier first. If those options aren’t going to happen then Eurowings is a decent backup. I’d 100% rather have Eurowings than Condor.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:57 pm

trexel94 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
strangeplanes wrote:
KCI route director posted his travels in Germany this week. Lufthansa or Eurowings to KC next year?


Justin Meyer tweeted he was headed to Düsseldorf, which is eurowings headquarters, and was boarding a eurowings flight at LHR. Could be nothing but..

According to the KC Star, he's meeting with seven airlines. It appears the meetings are specifically for KC since there's no aviation event in Dusseldorf this month. Keep in mind a potential Eurowings flight would likely operate out of FRA not DUS since Eurowings only operates long haul out of FRA and MUC.


Suspect it’s:
BA
AF
KLM
Lufthansa or Condor
Eurowings
Eir Lingus
Icelandair

+ AA and DL domestically
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:13 pm

strangeplanes wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

Justin Meyer tweeted he was headed to Düsseldorf, which is eurowings headquarters, and was boarding a eurowings flight at LHR. Could be nothing but..

According to the KC Star, he's meeting with seven airlines. It appears the meetings are specifically for KC since there's no aviation event in Dusseldorf this month. Keep in mind a potential Eurowings flight would likely operate out of FRA not DUS since Eurowings only operates long haul out of FRA and MUC.


Suspect it’s:
BA
AF
KLM
Lufthansa or Condor
Eurowings
Eir Lingus
Icelandair

+ AA and DL domestically

Eurowings and LH would be discussed together as Eurowings is a LH Group subsidiary. The Group would decide what is the most appropriate carrier to use on such a route.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:40 pm

Polot wrote:
strangeplanes wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
According to the KC Star, he's meeting with seven airlines. It appears the meetings are specifically for KC since there's no aviation event in Dusseldorf this month. Keep in mind a potential Eurowings flight would likely operate out of FRA not DUS since Eurowings only operates long haul out of FRA and MUC.


Suspect it’s:
BA
AF
KLM
Lufthansa or Condor
Eurowings
Eir Lingus
Icelandair

+ AA and DL domestically

Eurowings and LH would be discussed together as Eurowings is a LH Group subsidiary. The Group would decide what is the most appropriate carrier to use on such a route.

Sure but I don't expect a local news paper to consider that and they have seperate HQS
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Jul 09, 2022 1:44 am

Another thing I have wondered with all this. Let's say the legacies say, we can't add you for 2023 but maybe in 2024. And they have one of the non Iceland LCCs say we can add you for 2023 would MCI pull the trigger on that or wait out a year and see if they can get a bigger fish? What if Iceland air is the only one that says yes to next year.

I am always curious how the bigger fish maybe in the future compares to a smaller one now. Especially if that smaller one is Iceland air. Knowing taking the smaller one probably means the bigger ones won't be coming for awhile at that point.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:08 am

Jshank83 wrote:
Another thing I have wondered with all this. Let's say the legacies say, we can't add you for 2023 but maybe in 2024. And they have one of the non Iceland LCCs say we can add you for 2023 would MCI pull the trigger on that or wait out a year and see if they can get a bigger fish? What if Iceland air is the only one that says yes to next year.

I am always curious how the bigger fish maybe in the future compares to a smaller one now. Especially if that smaller one is Iceland air. Knowing taking the smaller one probably means the bigger ones won't be coming for awhile at that point.

LCC 100%. A promise means bothing
 
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Sun Jul 10, 2022 1:03 pm

A fish in the hand is worth more than a bigger one in the pond.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:51 pm

strangeplanes wrote:
Polot wrote:
strangeplanes wrote:

Suspect it’s:
BA
AF
KLM
Lufthansa or Condor
Eurowings
Eir Lingus
Icelandair

+ AA and DL domestically

Eurowings and LH would be discussed together as Eurowings is a LH Group subsidiary. The Group would decide what is the most appropriate carrier to use on such a route.

Sure but I don't expect a local news paper to consider that and they have seperate HQS


Next stop: UK

“Headed to the UK for meetings with airlines.” posted on Twitter

BA and Virgin?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:10 pm

United Airlines MX hanger on the way as reported by local development discussion board. The Kansas City aviation department had included a new maintenance hanger/operation in a recent airport business plan update to city council. No official confirmation of it being United
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:25 pm

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United Airlines MX hanger on the way as reported by local development discussion board. The Kansas City aviation department had included a new maintenance hanger/operation in a recent airport business plan update to city council. No official confirmation of it being United


Do you have a link to this? Not the message board rumors but the business plan. Thanks
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:52 am

Jshank83 wrote:
strangeplanes wrote:
United Airlines MX hanger on the way as reported by local development discussion board. The Kansas City aviation department had included a new maintenance hanger/operation in a recent airport business plan update to city council. No official confirmation of it being United


Do you have a link to this? Not the message board rumors but the business plan. Thanks


These are from the message board. Looking through old posts it sounds like the meeting was streamed on channel two. April of this year.


"UPS sort and apron expansion is under construction. Signature Air is planning to be expand. An un-named group is pursuing a hangar development. MRO briefly mentioned? Amazon Air appears on the slide so might see them expand their apron. Mentioned APM to new econo lot and CONRAC could utilize federal funds. Something to work on after the new terminal opens"

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"A second air-cargo center is proposed (C). 480+ Acres to the west of the current west runway. "

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