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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Oct 23, 2022 5:16 pm

my high school band that i was a member of played at this inaugural. It was nasty cold and overcast day
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Oct 23, 2022 6:13 pm

worldtraveler2 wrote:
50 years ago: MCI was dedicated Monday, October 23, 1972 by U.S. Vice President Spiro Agnew.

Operations began Saturday, November 11, 1972 with 158 daily departures by the major carriers:

- TWA - 50 flights - 2x ABQ, AMA, 2x ATL, 10x ORD, MDW, 2x CVG, DTW, IND, LAS, 4x LAX, SDF, 3x LGA, PHX, 14x STL, 2x SFO, TUS, 3x ICT.
- Braniff - 40 flights - 7x ORD, 10x DAL, 4x DSM, DTW, 3x MSP, MSY, 2x OKC, 5x OMA, 3x TUL, 4x ICT.
- Frontier - 26 flights - BVO, 2x DAL, 3x DEN, 3x JLN, 2x LNK, MHK, 5x OMA, 2x PPF, 3x STL, 4x TOP.
- Continental - 12 flights - 3x ORD, 6x DEN, 2x LAX, TUL.
- Ozark - 10 flights - CID, 2x COU, 2x DSM, 2x OTM, PIA, 2x SGF.
- United - 9 flights - BAL, 3x ORD (no local traffic), DEN, PHL, SFO, SEA, IAD.
- Delta - 8 flights - 2x ATL, LIT, 4x MEM, SGF.
- North Central - 3 flights - 3x SUX.

Source: Airline timetables - 10/29/72 (DL, NC, OZ, TW, UA); 3/9/72 (CO); 7/1/72 (FL); 12/1/72 (BN).

First scheduled departure 1:20am - DL 788 MEM-BHM-ATL-EWR (D9S)
First scheduled arrival 1:34am - FL 10 LAS-DEN-MCI (73S)

Source: Kansas City Times 11/11/72.


Cool find! Anyone know what Frontier flew to Bartlesville, OK (BVO) and Parsons, KS (PPF)?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Oct 23, 2022 7:02 pm

KCaviator wrote:
worldtraveler2 wrote:
50 years ago: MCI was dedicated Monday, October 23, 1972 by U.S. Vice President Spiro Agnew.

Operations began Saturday, November 11, 1972 with 158 daily departures by the major carriers:

- TWA - 50 flights - 2x ABQ, AMA, 2x ATL, 10x ORD, MDW, 2x CVG, DTW, IND, LAS, 4x LAX, SDF, 3x LGA, PHX, 14x STL, 2x SFO, TUS, 3x ICT.
- Braniff - 40 flights - 7x ORD, 10x DAL, 4x DSM, DTW, 3x MSP, MSY, 2x OKC, 5x OMA, 3x TUL, 4x ICT.
- Frontier - 26 flights - BVO, 2x DAL, 3x DEN, 3x JLN, 2x LNK, MHK, 5x OMA, 2x PPF, 3x STL, 4x TOP.
- Continental - 12 flights - 3x ORD, 6x DEN, 2x LAX, TUL.
- Ozark - 10 flights - CID, 2x COU, 2x DSM, 2x OTM, PIA, 2x SGF.
- United - 9 flights - BAL, 3x ORD (no local traffic), DEN, PHL, SFO, SEA, IAD.
- Delta - 8 flights - 2x ATL, LIT, 4x MEM, SGF.
- North Central - 3 flights - 3x SUX.

Source: Airline timetables - 10/29/72 (DL, NC, OZ, TW, UA); 3/9/72 (CO); 7/1/72 (FL); 12/1/72 (BN).

First scheduled departure 1:20am - DL 788 MEM-BHM-ATL-EWR (D9S)
First scheduled arrival 1:34am - FL 10 LAS-DEN-MCI (73S)

Source: Kansas City Times 11/11/72.


Cool find! Anyone know what Frontier flew to Bartlesville, OK (BVO) and Parsons, KS (PPF)?

Convair 580's.
Here's the departures involving BVO and PPF:
FL 565 - MKC PPF BVO TUL OKC AMA
FL 605 - MKC BVO PNC WDG OKC LAW DAL
FL 569 - MKC PPF ICT LBL AMA
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:54 pm

KCaviator wrote:
worldtraveler2 wrote:
50 years ago: MCI was dedicated Monday, October 23, 1972 by U.S. Vice President Spiro Agnew.

Operations began Saturday, November 11, 1972 with 158 daily departures by the major carriers:

- TWA - 50 flights - 2x ABQ, AMA, 2x ATL, 10x ORD, MDW, 2x CVG, DTW, IND, LAS, 4x LAX, SDF, 3x LGA, PHX, 14x STL, 2x SFO, TUS, 3x ICT.
- Braniff - 40 flights - 7x ORD, 10x DAL, 4x DSM, DTW, 3x MSP, MSY, 2x OKC, 5x OMA, 3x TUL, 4x ICT.
- Frontier - 26 flights - BVO, 2x DAL, 3x DEN, 3x JLN, 2x LNK, MHK, 5x OMA, 2x PPF, 3x STL, 4x TOP.
- Continental - 12 flights - 3x ORD, 6x DEN, 2x LAX, TUL.
- Ozark - 10 flights - CID, 2x COU, 2x DSM, 2x OTM, PIA, 2x SGF.
- United - 9 flights - BAL, 3x ORD (no local traffic), DEN, PHL, SFO, SEA, IAD.
- Delta - 8 flights - 2x ATL, LIT, 4x MEM, SGF.
- North Central - 3 flights - 3x SUX.

Source: Airline timetables - 10/29/72 (DL, NC, OZ, TW, UA); 3/9/72 (CO); 7/1/72 (FL); 12/1/72 (BN).

First scheduled departure 1:20am - DL 788 MEM-BHM-ATL-EWR (D9S)
First scheduled arrival 1:34am - FL 10 LAS-DEN-MCI (73S)

Source: Kansas City Times 11/11/72.


Cool find! Anyone know what Frontier flew to Bartlesville, OK (BVO) and Parsons, KS (PPF)?


they may have flown Convair 600's for awhile following the Central Airlines buyout by Frontier, but those were phased out for the 580's
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Oct 25, 2022 11:03 pm

Based on news and tweets out there we can basically narrow down first day for the new terminal down to 2 days.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:35 pm

ABQ back on WN
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:28 pm

worldtraveler2 wrote:
50 years ago: MCI was dedicated Monday, October 23, 1972 by U.S. Vice President Spiro Agnew.

Operations began Saturday, November 11, 1972 with 158 daily departures by the major carriers:

- TWA - 50 flights - 2x ABQ, AMA, 2x ATL, 10x ORD, MDW, 2x CVG, DTW, IND, LAS, 4x LAX, SDF, 3x LGA, PHX, 14x STL, 2x SFO, TUS, 3x ICT.
- Braniff - 40 flights - 7x ORD, 10x DAL, 4x DSM, DTW, 3x MSP, MSY, 2x OKC, 5x OMA, 3x TUL, 4x ICT.
- Frontier - 26 flights - BVO, 2x DAL, 3x DEN, 3x JLN, 2x LNK, MHK, 5x OMA, 2x PPF, 3x STL, 4x TOP.
- Continental - 12 flights - 3x ORD, 6x DEN, 2x LAX, TUL.
- Ozark - 10 flights - CID, 2x COU, 2x DSM, 2x OTM, PIA, 2x SGF.
- United - 9 flights - BAL, 3x ORD (no local traffic), DEN, PHL, SFO, SEA, IAD.
- Delta - 8 flights - 2x ATL, LIT, 4x MEM, SGF.
- North Central - 3 flights - 3x SUX.

Source: Airline timetables - 10/29/72 (DL, NC, OZ, TW, UA); 3/9/72 (CO); 7/1/72 (FL); 12/1/72 (BN).

First scheduled departure 1:20am - DL 788 MEM-BHM-ATL-EWR (D9S)
First scheduled arrival 1:34am - FL 10 LAS-DEN-MCI (73S)

Source: Kansas City Times 11/11/72.


10x OMA, 17x STL. Tempus fugit.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Oct 27, 2022 10:38 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Based on news and tweets out there we can basically narrow down first day for the new terminal down to 2 days.


Which are...?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Oct 27, 2022 10:40 pm

ABQ and IND come back for WN, in addition to added frequencies to LAX, MDW, PHX, and SAN. Looks like WN is taking advantage of the additional gate space and staffing.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:58 pm

KCaviator wrote:
ABQ and IND come back for WN, in addition to added frequencies to LAX, MDW, PHX, and SAN. Looks like WN is taking advantage of the additional gate space and staffing.

I believe we’re just missing MSP and MKE as far as restoring pre-Covid offerings. BOS is missing too but I think B6 and DL pushed them off. Still would be nice to land new routes with high demand i.e PIT, SNA, SJC etc.

Also PDX appears to be performing well, not sure why it’s seasonal on WN and AS. Per Justin’s Twitter post. Hinting at mainline service next year on AS?
https://mobile.twitter.com/JustinMeyerK ... 3400805378
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Oct 28, 2022 1:16 am

trexel94 wrote:
KCaviator wrote:
ABQ and IND come back for WN, in addition to added frequencies to LAX, MDW, PHX, and SAN. Looks like WN is taking advantage of the additional gate space and staffing.

I believe we’re just missing MSP and MKE as far as restoring pre-Covid offerings. BOS is missing too but I think B6 and DL pushed them off. Still would be nice to land new routes with high demand i.e PIT, SNA, SJC etc.

Also PDX appears to be performing well, not sure why it’s seasonal on WN and AS. Per Justin’s Twitter post. Hinting at mainline service next year on AS?
https://mobile.twitter.com/JustinMeyerK ... 3400805378


Mainline would be great, but they didn't even operate daily for the whole summer this year. More mainline planes are coming on every few weeks and many fewer regionals with the Qs going- so maybe that will push it over the edge. MCI-PDX has been mainline before in placeholder schedules (along with the illusive 3rd daily Seattle). It really seems like, in the summer at least, Alaska is under serving the market here. I think MCI is ready to support four mainline flights on AS during peak times, just need AS to think so as well.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:18 am

BN727227Ultra wrote:
10x OMA, 17x STL. Tempus fugit.


Well, the industry and country were different then. The interstate highway system wasn't done and just about anything that wasn't an interstate was a 2-lane road that went through the downtown of every city or town on the way. There was no TSA and the design of the soon-to-be-closed MCI terminals reflects the goal of getting travelers from their cars to their flights as quickly as possible. The (regulated) airlines were profitable at load factors which would be considered ruinous by today's standards. And, of course, the airlines used to run a lot more multi-stop flights; most of those MCI-OMA flights on BN continued on to MSP and the OMA-MCI flights would go on to places like MSY, DAL, OKC, etc.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:08 am

Full summary of added WN flights. Up to 67 departures a day. https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/so ... XprKso7k5Y
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Nov 04, 2022 4:08 am

strangeplanes wrote:
evank516 wrote:
strangeplanes wrote:
looks like A220s throughout the week now


Yeah it looks like it starts the week of Thanksgiving. This is a great change!

2 of 4 A220s. Love it


They seem to disappear the week before Christmas. Not sure if the schedule is finalized yet though.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:23 am

No schedule changes for NFL Draft but hotels are full
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:29 pm

Heard a rumor in KC that British Airways is coming to town in 2023. Civic booster type with no ties to aviation forums. Service would not be daily. I give it a 50-50 chance now of MCI vs IND.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:55 pm

strangeplanes wrote:
Heard a rumor in KC that British Airways is coming to town in 2023. Civic booster type with no ties to aviation forums. Service would not be daily. I give it a 50-50 chance now of MCI vs IND.

Agree but to be fair, the speculation of IND came before MCI ponied up the $5 million incentives package. That was IND's only real advantage over KC, but I guess that depends how far along negotiations were with IND and if BA is open to last minute offers.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:12 pm

From Instagram, it appears MCI’s air service director is currently in London rn and flew British Airways. For what that’s worth
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:23 pm

FLYKTPA wrote:
From Instagram, it appears MCI’s air service director is currently in London rn and flew British Airways. For what that’s worth

Looks to be in Dublin now?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:50 pm

Sun Country set to announce KC soon. Flights already uploaded. 2x weekly to MSP starting May 29th. I guess since WN never brought back the route they saw an opening. Always nice to have a new tail!
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:41 am

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trexel94 wrote:
Sun Country set to announce KC soon. Flights already uploaded. 2x weekly to MSP starting May 29th. I guess since WN never brought back the route they saw an opening. Always nice to have a new tail!


That's it? Just MCI-MSP? And at 2x weekly?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:46 am

KCaviator wrote:
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trexel94 wrote:
Sun Country set to announce KC soon. Flights already uploaded. 2x weekly to MSP starting May 29th. I guess since WN never brought back the route they saw an opening. Always nice to have a new tail!


That's it? Just MCI-MSP? And at 2x weekly?


You must not be too familiar with the Sun Country network. Most of their routes are ex MSP and most new adds, particularly summer adds start at 2x weekly. If it performs well it’ll likely go to 4x weekly the following year.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:17 pm

A low-cost air carrier will offer passenger flights at Kansas City International Airport next summer, becoming the first new airline to launch service at the airport’s new single terminal, according to a news release from the Kansas City Aviation Department.

Based in Minneapolis-St. Paul, Sun Country Airlines will begin nonstop service from Kansas City to the Twin Cities beginning May 29, with seasonal flight service on Mondays and Fridays.

“Sun Country’s decision to add Kansas City to their growing network is a testament to the strength of the KC region’s demand for travel and will bring more nonstop options to travelers looking to enjoy the Twin Cities during peak season,” Pat Klein, director of Kansas City’s Aviation Department, said in the news release.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Nov 18, 2022 3:46 am

Jshank83 wrote:
Based on news and tweets out there we can basically narrow down first day for the new terminal down to 2 days.


https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... ights.html

This article is saying March 3rd?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:38 am

KCaviator wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Based on news and tweets out there we can basically narrow down first day for the new terminal down to 2 days.


https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... ights.html

This article is saying March 3rd?


My narrow down to 2 days was good with the data I had at the time but some details have changed since then so I’m backing off my original days now.

But you can figure out it has to be a weekday that isn’t Monday based on the times posted for the gate changes.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:46 pm

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/ne ... tid=Zxz2cZ

You can apply to be a tester of the facilities prior to opening.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Nov 22, 2022 3:58 pm

The PMG status reports have been consistently listing March 3 as opening day, here is the link to the most recent: https://www.buildkci.com/wp-content/upl ... 8.2022.pdf

Perhaps curiously, August is the last report posted, the reports have been posted until now just over 30 days after the close of the status month (August posted the first week of October), however the September report has not posted yet. I am wondering if there may have been an inadvertent mention of an airline with respect to the added ‘north lounge’ on concourse A north.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Nov 22, 2022 4:45 pm

MCIsundevil wrote:
The PMG status reports have been consistently listing March 3 as opening day, here is the link to the most recent: https://www.buildkci.com/wp-content/upl ... 8.2022.pdf

Perhaps curiously, August is the last report posted, the reports have been posted until now just over 30 days after the close of the status month (August posted the first week of October), however the September report has not posted yet. I am wondering if there may have been an inadvertent mention of an airline with respect to the added ‘north lounge’ on concourse A north.



Lounges are going to be Delta and an unaffiliated one.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Nov 28, 2022 4:54 pm

Second time is the charm? AC will upgrade MCI-YYZ to the CRJ-705 next year per Justin’s Twitter post. It was originally supposed to have been upgraded in 2020 but then Covid happened. Exciting none the less.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Nov 28, 2022 7:08 pm

trexel94 wrote:
Second time is the charm? AC will upgrade MCI-YYZ to the CRJ-705 next year per Justin’s Twitter post. It was originally supposed to have been upgraded in 2020 but then Covid happened. Exciting none the less.


Hopefully the restart date and aircraft hold. Those 50 seaters are rough
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:43 pm

Does any one have a layout of gate assignments?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:42 am

Substantial Completion today. Its pretty much just tenant build-out left.

Once the new terminal opens, the next phase of demo and construction can start
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:24 pm

trexel94 wrote:
Second time is the charm? AC will upgrade MCI-YYZ to the CRJ-705 next year per Justin’s Twitter post. It was originally supposed to have been upgraded in 2020 but then Covid happened. Exciting none the less.


AC website now shows CRJ900!
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:37 pm

RJNUT wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
Second time is the charm? AC will upgrade MCI-YYZ to the CRJ-705 next year per Justin’s Twitter post. It was originally supposed to have been upgraded in 2020 but then Covid happened. Exciting none the less.


AC website now shows CRJ900!


They don't have 700s so it was a 900. Pretty sure Justin's post said 900 also
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:20 pm

RJNUT wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
Second time is the charm? AC will upgrade MCI-YYZ to the CRJ-705 next year per Justin’s Twitter post. It was originally supposed to have been upgraded in 2020 but then Covid happened. Exciting none the less.


AC website now shows CRJ900!

For many years, AC operated a modified CRJ900 and called it the "705". I believe they recently changed it back to the "900" but they're basically the same aircraft.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:22 pm

strangeplanes wrote:
Substantial Completion today. Its pretty much just tenant build-out left.

Once the new terminal opens, the next phase of demo and construction can start


Heard a rumor that there's not enough ramp space on the north side for two 737s to safely pass (1 in, 1 out), which could lead to traffic issues in that corner.

Any truth to this? Figured that'd been assessed in the planning phase.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:07 pm

KCaviator wrote:
strangeplanes wrote:
Substantial Completion today. Its pretty much just tenant build-out left.

Once the new terminal opens, the next phase of demo and construction can start


Heard a rumor that there's not enough ramp space on the north side for two 737s to safely pass (1 in, 1 out), which could lead to traffic issues in that corner.

Any truth to this? Figured that'd been assessed in the planning phase.


I just did a quick measure on Google Earth, so this is an educated guess rather than from an airport design-expertise point of view. So who knows if there is something that would prevent this aside from space.

Distance between concourses-

New MCI: 800'
MDW: 750' - dual taxi lanes painted
PHX: 650' - dual taxi lanes painted
ORD (B & C) - 800' - dual taxi lanes painted
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:08 pm

Just as a heads up, B6 will be dispatching A320s & A321s during the holiday season on select dates.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:05 pm

QXorVX wrote:
KCaviator wrote:
strangeplanes wrote:
Substantial Completion today. Its pretty much just tenant build-out left.

Once the new terminal opens, the next phase of demo and construction can start


Heard a rumor that there's not enough ramp space on the north side for two 737s to safely pass (1 in, 1 out), which could lead to traffic issues in that corner.

Any truth to this? Figured that'd been assessed in the planning phase.


I just did a quick measure on Google Earth, so this is an educated guess rather than from an airport design-expertise point of view. So who knows if there is something that would prevent this aside from space.

Distance between concourses-

New MCI: 800'
MDW: 750' - dual taxi lanes painted
PHX: 650' - dual taxi lanes painted
ORD (B & C) - 800' - dual taxi lanes painted


Between concourses is double. West of terminal is triple. south is double. north is double but down to single for the 2 or 3 Eastern A gates
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:30 pm

strangeplanes wrote:
QXorVX wrote:
KCaviator wrote:

Heard a rumor that there's not enough ramp space on the north side for two 737s to safely pass (1 in, 1 out), which could lead to traffic issues in that corner.

Any truth to this? Figured that'd been assessed in the planning phase.


I just did a quick measure on Google Earth, so this is an educated guess rather than from an airport design-expertise point of view. So who knows if there is something that would prevent this aside from space.

Distance between concourses-

New MCI: 800'
MDW: 750' - dual taxi lanes painted
PHX: 650' - dual taxi lanes painted
ORD (B & C) - 800' - dual taxi lanes painted


Between concourses is double. West of terminal is triple. south is double. north is double but down to single for the 2 or 3 Eastern A gates


Thanks for the info. The eastern A gates are probably those in question. Although doesn't seem like a big deal if there's only 2 or 3 gates back there.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:43 am

B6 will be upgrading flights to the A320 and A321 on certain days during the holiday season until the first part of January. Quite the jump considering the mixed loads I keep hearing about on here. Maybe within two years a permanent switch to the A320 could be in order.

In addition, AS will bring back MCI-PDX this late spring on the 739.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Dec 14, 2022 1:05 pm

trexel94 wrote:
B6 will be upgrading flights to the A320 and A321 on certain days during the holiday season until the first part of January. Quite the jump considering the mixed loads I keep hearing about on here. Maybe within two years a permanent switch to the A320 could be in order.

In addition, AS will bring back MCI-PDX this late spring on the 739.


I've been keeping an eye out for the AS summer bump to MCI, looks like they are teasing us again with PDX mainline and triple daily SEA. I think this is the third year it has been scheduled? Obviously for various reasons it never happened. Hopefully with the combination of fewer regional planes and a glut of MAX deliveries this will become a reality, finally.

June 15th - August 14th
MCI - SEA 7:00am
MCI - SEA 2:00pm
MCI - PDX 2:55pm
MCI - SEA 7:55pm
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:42 pm

trexel94 wrote:
Just as a heads up, B6 will be dispatching A320s & A321s during the holiday season on select dates.


They're also adjusting their schedule temporarily. JFK-MCI is RON and departs in the morning MCI-JFK which means they're operating as turns as opposed to the normal BOS-MCI-JFK.

trexel94 wrote:
B6 will be upgrading flights to the A320 and A321 on certain days during the holiday season until the first part of January. Quite the jump considering the mixed loads I keep hearing about on here. Maybe within two years a permanent switch to the A320 could be in order.

In addition, AS will bring back MCI-PDX this late spring on the 739.


I'm wondering if this is more about aircraft availability over demand. E190s are probably being deployed elsewhere and A220s are in short supply. I would think that in 2 years I'd rather see extra frequencies as opposed to A320s. The A220 is a nice plane and I'd ride on that any day over an A320. I flew B6 out of MCI back in April after it just started and I heard JFK was stronger than BOS which makes sense. I wouldn't be surprised to see BOS drop later on in favor of another JFK frequency. I actually think it would work better that way down the road.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:44 pm

Milwaukee is back
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:17 pm

Any additional WN connections being routed through MCI with the new terminal opening?
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:38 pm

KCaviator wrote:
Any additional WN connections being routed through MCI with the new terminal opening?


I am sure it doesn't hurt. At this point looks like mostly just bringing flights back from pre-covid, which has been a system wide thing.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Dec 17, 2022 12:19 pm

United added quite a bit of capacity over the summer at MCI via frequencies or larger aircraft. Good to see as they are the smallest mainline carrier at MCI.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Dec 17, 2022 12:22 pm

evank516 wrote:
trexel94 wrote:
Just as a heads up, B6 will be dispatching A320s & A321s during the holiday season on select dates.


They're also adjusting their schedule temporarily. JFK-MCI is RON and departs in the morning MCI-JFK which means they're operating as turns as opposed to the normal BOS-MCI-JFK.

trexel94 wrote:
B6 will be upgrading flights to the A320 and A321 on certain days during the holiday season until the first part of January. Quite the jump considering the mixed loads I keep hearing about on here. Maybe within two years a permanent switch to the A320 could be in order.

In addition, AS will bring back MCI-PDX this late spring on the 739.


I'm wondering if this is more about aircraft availability over demand. E190s are probably being deployed elsewhere and A220s are in short supply. I would think that in 2 years I'd rather see extra frequencies as opposed to A320s. The A220 is a nice plane and I'd ride on that any day over an A320. I flew B6 out of MCI back in April after it just started and I heard JFK was stronger than BOS which makes sense. I wouldn't be surprised to see BOS drop later on in favor of another JFK frequency. I actually think it would work better that way down the road.


Agree likely due to availability. BOS-MCI in particular has struggled, at least from a LF perspective.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:34 pm

Southwest is bringing back its nonstop flights from KCI to three additional cities this summer after the airport’s new single terminal opens. The airline has been increasing its services from Kansas City, and now it is slated to have seasonal, nonstop service to Milwaukee, Minneapolis and San Antonio starting in July.

“As we continue to add depth to existing markets in our Network, we’re happy to return this seasonal service,” Southwest spokesperson Chris Perry said in an emailed statement.
 
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Re: Kansas City Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:28 pm

UA is exploring adding TPA/MCO to MCI with their new bases. Would be nice to have a full service carrier to Florida since DL ended MCO years ago. It's all LCC/ULCC currently.

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