Jshank83 wrote:

^and you also have delta running 3 flights a day when Delta I would guess is a lot stronger POS at MCI.

I’ll be curious how Delta does vs JetBlue at JFK also

strangeplanes wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

^and you also have delta running 3 flights a day when Delta I would guess is a lot stronger POS at MCI.

I’ll be curious how Delta does vs JetBlue at JFK also

B6 is happy with the rollout so far. FLL or Caribbean adds would really grow the brand here.

trexel94 wrote:

F9 will launch daily flights to LAS beginning 8/9.

It also appears B6 and DL have driven WN off MCI-BOS as the route no longer shows in WN’s offerings.

trexel94 wrote:

F9 will launch daily flights to LAS beginning 8/9.

It also appears B6 and DL have driven WN off MCI-BOS as the route no longer shows in WN’s offerings.

strangeplanes wrote:

Cargo is up another 30% this year. Amazon has scaled up to the size of UPS. How many routes is Amazon running from KC?

A KCI presentation mentioned new ramp space for Amazon Air and an MRO hanger for an unnamed tenant.

jplatts wrote:

Here are the Q4 2021 PDEW's out of MCI to the top contiguous U.S. markets that aren't currently served nonstop from MCI on WN:
MCI-BOS/MHT/PVD - 191
MCI-DTW - 149
MCI-SLC - 134
MCI-PHL - 134
MCI-CLT - 131
MCI-MSP - 130
MCI-SAT - 87
MCI-RDU - 87
MCI-SMF - 73
MCI-JAX - 60
MCI-CLE/CAK - 59

trexel94 wrote:

F9 will launch daily flights to LAS beginning 8/9.

It also appears B6 and DL have driven WN off MCI-BOS as the route no longer shows in WN’s offerings.

mbeutler81 wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

F9 will launch daily flights to LAS beginning 8/9.

It also appears B6 and DL have driven WN off MCI-BOS as the route no longer shows in WN’s offerings.

Think there is any chance a MCI > MKE will comeback when the new terminal opens?

trexel94 wrote:

New lounge construction permit filed with city hall for concourse A. No airline mentioned so it may be a generic pay-per-pass lounge or a USO. Personally I'm hoping it will be a Plaza Premium (they made a proposal for the future Skyclub space) or an Admirals Club since AA will be in concourse A.

KCaviator wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

New lounge construction permit filed with city hall for concourse A. No airline mentioned so it may be a generic pay-per-pass lounge or a USO. Personally I'm hoping it will be a Plaza Premium (they made a proposal for the future Skyclub space) or an Admirals Club since AA will be in concourse A.

What's the layout of concourse/gate assignments in the new terminal?

trexel94 wrote:

New lounge construction permit filed with city hall for concourse A. No airline mentioned so it may be a generic pay-per-pass lounge or a USO. Personally I'm hoping it will be a Plaza Premium (they made a proposal for the future Skyclub space) or an Admirals Club since AA will be in concourse A.

MCIsundevil wrote:

I haven’t seen the gate numbering plan, but I thought the terminal was planned at a max of 50 gates between the two concourses - why would there be numbers to B69 even if the numbers start in A concourse and continue to B?

Also, interesting as I had assumed UA would take A gates since they seem to opt for convenient gates at non-hubs; maybe they plan to move to A when gates are expanded from 34 to 39 after current terminal B is removed to make room?

Just Speculating- if the club space in A is for Admirals Club, the TATL may be BA as customs appears to be in A (yes of course a DL TATL could depart B and arrive A).

trexel94 wrote:

New lounge construction permit filed with city hall for concourse A. No airline mentioned so it may be a generic pay-per-pass lounge or a USO. Personally I'm hoping it will be a Plaza Premium (they made a proposal for the future Skyclub space) or an Admirals Club since AA will be in concourse A.

Runway765 wrote:

MCIsundevil wrote:

I haven’t seen the gate numbering plan, but I thought the terminal was planned at a max of 50 gates between the two concourses - why would there be numbers to B69 even if the numbers start in A concourse and continue to B?

Also, interesting as I had assumed UA would take A gates since they seem to opt for convenient gates at non-hubs; maybe they plan to move to A when gates are expanded from 34 to 39 after current terminal B is removed to make room?

Just Speculating- if the club space in A is for Admirals Club, the TATL may be BA as customs appears to be in A (yes of course a DL TATL could depart B and arrive A).

Why are they only planning for a max of 50 gates?

Jshank83 wrote:

Runway765 wrote:

MCIsundevil wrote:

I haven’t seen the gate numbering plan, but I thought the terminal was planned at a max of 50 gates between the two concourses - why would there be numbers to B69 even if the numbers start in A concourse and continue to B?

Also, interesting as I had assumed UA would take A gates since they seem to opt for convenient gates at non-hubs; maybe they plan to move to A when gates are expanded from 34 to 39 after current terminal B is removed to make room?

Just Speculating- if the club space in A is for Admirals Club, the TATL may be BA as customs appears to be in A (yes of course a DL TATL could depart B and arrive A).

Why are they only planning for a max of 50 gates?

Because that should be plenty for them for awhile. I’m sure they did a study on how many they would need for the next few decades and that’s what they came up with.

Runway765 wrote:

MCIsundevil wrote:

I haven’t seen the gate numbering plan, but I thought the terminal was planned at a max of 50 gates between the two concourses - why would there be numbers to B69 even if the numbers start in A concourse and continue to B?

Also, interesting as I had assumed UA would take A gates since they seem to opt for convenient gates at non-hubs; maybe they plan to move to A when gates are expanded from 34 to 39 after current terminal B is removed to make room?

Just Speculating- if the club space in A is for Admirals Club, the TATL may be BA as customs appears to be in A (yes of course a DL TATL could depart B and arrive A).

Why are they only planning for a max of 50 gates?

TWA302 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Runway765 wrote:

Why are they only planning for a max of 50 gates?

Because that should be plenty for them for awhile. I’m sure they did a study on how many they would need for the next few decades and that’s what they came up with.

50 is plenty for the new design. The new STL plan and layout is for 62 which is perfect.

Runway765 wrote:

TWA302 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Because that should be plenty for them for awhile. I’m sure they did a study on how many they would need for the next few decades and that’s what they came up with.

50 is plenty for the new design. The new STL plan and layout is for 62 which is perfect.

I guess, I just thought that maybe 60 would’ve been a better number for MCI since it was closer to what STL is planning, though STL is a bit different because of the large WN station.

Jshank83 wrote:

Runway765 wrote:

TWA302 wrote:

50 is plenty for the new design. The new STL plan and layout is for 62 which is perfect.

I guess, I just thought that maybe 60 would’ve been a better number for MCI since it was closer to what STL is planning, though STL is a bit different because of the large WN station.

STL is just a larger station in general. More O&D. More population. I think pre covid is was around 33% more passengers and it’s recovered a bit faster passenger wise. Neither is likely to explode at a BNA/AUS pace so it isn’t like it needs a bunch more gates than it is currently using.

worldtraveler2 wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

New lounge construction permit filed with city hall for concourse A. No airline mentioned so it may be a generic pay-per-pass lounge or a USO. Personally I'm hoping it will be a Plaza Premium (they made a proposal for the future Skyclub space) or an Admirals Club since AA will be in concourse A.

Is this for the Delta Sky Club? https://simpleflying.com/kansas-city-delta-skyclub/

Runway765 wrote:

MCIsundevil wrote:

I haven’t seen the gate numbering plan, but I thought the terminal was planned at a max of 50 gates between the two concourses - why would there be numbers to B69 even if the numbers start in A concourse and continue to B?

Also, interesting as I had assumed UA would take A gates since they seem to opt for convenient gates at non-hubs; maybe they plan to move to A when gates are expanded from 34 to 39 after current terminal B is removed to make room?

Just Speculating- if the club space in A is for Admirals Club, the TATL may be BA as customs appears to be in A (yes of course a DL TATL could depart B and arrive A).

Why are they only planning for a max of 50 gates?

strangeplanes wrote:

Runway765 wrote:

MCIsundevil wrote:

I haven’t seen the gate numbering plan, but I thought the terminal was planned at a max of 50 gates between the two concourses - why would there be numbers to B69 even if the numbers start in A concourse and continue to B?

Also, interesting as I had assumed UA would take A gates since they seem to opt for convenient gates at non-hubs; maybe they plan to move to A when gates are expanded from 34 to 39 after current terminal B is removed to make room?

Just Speculating- if the club space in A is for Admirals Club, the TATL may be BA as customs appears to be in A (yes of course a DL TATL could depart B and arrive A).

Why are they only planning for a max of 50 gates?

The reasoning was published early on. It’s just a generic 25% increase place holder.

It’s possible more could be fit (just looking at the Google map and using a ruler)
but you are hemmed in by the runways. think the 50 is a max for the terminal before you’d build a second (maybe connected) terminal where B is now

strangeplanes wrote:

KCI route director posted his travels in Germany this week. Lufthansa or Eurowings to KC next year?

strangeplanes wrote:

KCI route director posted his travels in Germany this week. Lufthansa or Eurowings to KC next year?

Jshank83 wrote:

strangeplanes wrote:

KCI route director posted his travels in Germany this week. Lufthansa or Eurowings to KC next year?

Justin Meyer tweeted he was headed to Düsseldorf, which is eurowings headquarters, and was boarding a eurowings flight at LHR. Could be nothing but..

Jshank83 wrote:

strangeplanes wrote:

KCI route director posted his travels in Germany this week. Lufthansa or Eurowings to KC next year?

Justin Meyer tweeted he was headed to Düsseldorf, which is eurowings headquarters, and was boarding a eurowings flight at LHR. Could be nothing but..

pmanni1 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

strangeplanes wrote:

KCI route director posted his travels in Germany this week. Lufthansa or Eurowings to KC next year?

Justin Meyer tweeted he was headed to Düsseldorf, which is eurowings headquarters, and was boarding a eurowings flight at LHR. Could be nothing but..

In order for an international flight to work the airline would have to have business class and first class customers. Discount carriers won't work. Businesses aren't going to want to put executives on low cost airlines.

trexel94 wrote:

pmanni1 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Justin Meyer tweeted he was headed to Düsseldorf, which is eurowings headquarters, and was boarding a eurowings flight at LHR. Could be nothing but..

In order for an international flight to work the airline would have to have business class and first class customers. Discount carriers won't work. Businesses aren't going to want to put executives on low cost airlines.

Any airline that launches MCI-Europe likely wouldn't offer first class anyways. DL doesn't have a first class, BA's 788s don't have an FC cabin and most of LH's A330s don't either. Eurowings is hardly a discount carrier. Their A330s onboard product/service are exactly the same as LH minus the first class cabin.

pmanni1 wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

pmanni1 wrote:

In order for an international flight to work the airline would have to have business class and first class customers. Discount carriers won't work. Businesses aren't going to want to put executives on low cost airlines.

Any airline that launches MCI-Europe likely wouldn't offer first class anyways. DL doesn't have a first class, BA's 788s don't have an FC cabin and most of LH's A330s don't either. Eurowings is hardly a discount carrier. Their A330s onboard product/service are exactly the same as LH minus the first class cabin.

Eurowings own website says they are Lufthansa Groups low cost airline. That is their whole reason for being. Why should anyone think that is incorrect and believe you instead?
Most international carriers have first class. You're singling out a few airplanes that don't.

FLYKTPA wrote:

pmanni1 wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

Any airline that launches MCI-Europe likely wouldn't offer first class anyways. DL doesn't have a first class, BA's 788s don't have an FC cabin and most of LH's A330s don't either. Eurowings is hardly a discount carrier. Their A330s onboard product/service are exactly the same as LH minus the first class cabin.

Eurowings own website says they are Lufthansa Groups low cost airline. That is their whole reason for being. Why should anyone think that is incorrect and believe you instead?
Most international carriers have first class. You're singling out a few airplanes that don't.

It’s a lot more than just a few airplanes…

Actually a lot of international carriers don’t offer first class. It’s normally business, premium Econ and economy. There’s some who do offer first, such as Emirates, some British Airways flights and some Lufthansa flights etc, but it’s on a small portion of the long haul fleet in many cases.

There’s no first class on many of Lufthansa’s long haul aircraft, just business and it’s very comparable to the Eurowings Discover long haul business product. Eurowings Discover is Lufthansa’s way to launch new markets at a lower operating cost.

trexel94 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

strangeplanes wrote:

KCI route director posted his travels in Germany this week. Lufthansa or Eurowings to KC next year?

Justin Meyer tweeted he was headed to Düsseldorf, which is eurowings headquarters, and was boarding a eurowings flight at LHR. Could be nothing but..

According to the KC Star, he's meeting with seven airlines. It appears the meetings are specifically for KC since there's no aviation event in Dusseldorf this month. Keep in mind a potential Eurowings flight would likely operate out of FRA not DUS since Eurowings only operates long haul out of FRA and MUC.

strangeplanes wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Justin Meyer tweeted he was headed to Düsseldorf, which is eurowings headquarters, and was boarding a eurowings flight at LHR. Could be nothing but..

According to the KC Star, he's meeting with seven airlines. It appears the meetings are specifically for KC since there's no aviation event in Dusseldorf this month. Keep in mind a potential Eurowings flight would likely operate out of FRA not DUS since Eurowings only operates long haul out of FRA and MUC.

Suspect it’s:
BA
AF
KLM
Lufthansa or Condor
Eurowings
Eir Lingus
Icelandair

+ AA and DL domestically

Polot wrote:

strangeplanes wrote:

trexel94 wrote:

According to the KC Star, he's meeting with seven airlines. It appears the meetings are specifically for KC since there's no aviation event in Dusseldorf this month. Keep in mind a potential Eurowings flight would likely operate out of FRA not DUS since Eurowings only operates long haul out of FRA and MUC.

Suspect it’s:
BA
AF
KLM
Lufthansa or Condor
Eurowings
Eir Lingus
Icelandair

+ AA and DL domestically

Eurowings and LH would be discussed together as Eurowings is a LH Group subsidiary. The Group would decide what is the most appropriate carrier to use on such a route.

Jshank83 wrote:

Another thing I have wondered with all this. Let's say the legacies say, we can't add you for 2023 but maybe in 2024. And they have one of the non Iceland LCCs say we can add you for 2023 would MCI pull the trigger on that or wait out a year and see if they can get a bigger fish? What if Iceland air is the only one that says yes to next year.

I am always curious how the bigger fish maybe in the future compares to a smaller one now. Especially if that smaller one is Iceland air. Knowing taking the smaller one probably means the bigger ones won't be coming for awhile at that point.

strangeplanes wrote:

Polot wrote:

strangeplanes wrote:

Suspect it’s:
BA
AF
KLM
Lufthansa or Condor
Eurowings
Eir Lingus
Icelandair

+ AA and DL domestically

Eurowings and LH would be discussed together as Eurowings is a LH Group subsidiary. The Group would decide what is the most appropriate carrier to use on such a route.

Sure but I don't expect a local news paper to consider that and they have seperate HQS

strangeplanes wrote:

United Airlines MX hanger on the way as reported by local development discussion board. The Kansas City aviation department had included a new maintenance hanger/operation in a recent airport business plan update to city council. No official confirmation of it being United

Jshank83 wrote:

strangeplanes wrote:

United Airlines MX hanger on the way as reported by local development discussion board. The Kansas City aviation department had included a new maintenance hanger/operation in a recent airport business plan update to city council. No official confirmation of it being United

Do you have a link to this? Not the message board rumors but the business plan. Thanks