Delta Network Thread - 2022

Boeing757100 · Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:18 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
New York City - 44 Countries (1st in US)
Dominican Republic: 636,253
China: 522,232
India: 357,012
Mexico: 265,044
Jamaica: 248,255
Ecuador: 239,909
Haiti: 160,525
Philippines: 145,434
Colombia: 178,839
Guyana: 169,406
Korea: 137,017
El Salvador: 133,718
Bangladesh: 106,009
Italy: 104,508
Peru: 104,182
Poland: 101,075
Trinidad and Tobago: 100,565
Guatemala: 85,578
Russia: 85,445
Ukraine: 84,442
Pakistan: 75,949
Honduras: 72,201
United Kingdom: 66,491
Cuba: 60,694
Brazil: 57,839
Egypt: 51,701
Nigeria: 45,673
Ghana: 44,130
Germany: 40,356
Portugal: 38,503
Israel: 34,690
Japan: 33,027
Uzbekistan: 30,764
Ireland: 30,641
Argentina: 28,407
Barbados: 27,504
Grenada: 27,317
Turkey: 27,412
France: 26,853
Albania: 26,201
Vietnam: 24,353
Venezuela: 22,830
Romania: 22,503
Spain: 21,749

Los Angeles - 20 Countries (2nd in US)
Mexico: 1,547,703
China: 358,193
Philippines: 297,191
El Salvador: 285,707
Vietnam: 251,499
Korea: 209,026
Guatemala: 185,803
Iran: 137,632
India: 95,957
Armenia: 69,157
Japan: 48,447
United Kingdom: 44,517
Honduras: 37,466
Peru: 32,308
Cambodia: 27,070
Thailand: 24,818
Russia: 24,368
Nicaragua: 23,726
Colombia: 22,902
Germany: 22,619

Atlanta - 8 Countries (10th in US)
Mexico: 139,103
India: 87,840
Jamaica: 40,240
Vietnam: 36,119
China: 36,107
Korea: 34,659
Nigeria: 22,428
Guatemala: 21,941

Interesting that ATL has the 3rd highest ethnic community of Indians behind only the juggernauts LAX/JFK, when talking about DL hubs. While you mention that ethnic communities alone don't drive the feasability of a route, with ATL being so massively connected to the rest of the US, would ATL-India ever be logical again? In my humble opinion, I think that's the last unserved international void in ATL. China/Korea/Mexico/Nigeria are already all served by direct DL flights from ATL. Only problem is yield probably. That and Russian airspace/ aircraft range

jbs2886 · Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:25 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
New York City - 44 Countries (1st in US)
Dominican Republic: 636,253
China: 522,232
India: 357,012
Mexico: 265,044
Jamaica: 248,255
Ecuador: 239,909
Haiti: 160,525
Philippines: 145,434
Colombia: 178,839
Guyana: 169,406
Korea: 137,017
El Salvador: 133,718
Bangladesh: 106,009
Italy: 104,508
Peru: 104,182
Poland: 101,075
Trinidad and Tobago: 100,565
Guatemala: 85,578
Russia: 85,445
Ukraine: 84,442
Pakistan: 75,949
Honduras: 72,201
United Kingdom: 66,491
Cuba: 60,694
Brazil: 57,839
Egypt: 51,701
Nigeria: 45,673
Ghana: 44,130
Germany: 40,356
Portugal: 38,503
Israel: 34,690
Japan: 33,027
Uzbekistan: 30,764
Ireland: 30,641
Argentina: 28,407
Barbados: 27,504
Grenada: 27,317
Turkey: 27,412
France: 26,853
Albania: 26,201
Vietnam: 24,353
Venezuela: 22,830
Romania: 22,503
Spain: 21,749

Los Angeles - 20 Countries (2nd in US)
Mexico: 1,547,703
China: 358,193
Philippines: 297,191
El Salvador: 285,707
Vietnam: 251,499
Korea: 209,026
Guatemala: 185,803
Iran: 137,632
India: 95,957
Armenia: 69,157
Japan: 48,447
United Kingdom: 44,517
Honduras: 37,466
Peru: 32,308
Cambodia: 27,070
Thailand: 24,818
Russia: 24,368
Nicaragua: 23,726
Colombia: 22,902
Germany: 22,619

Atlanta - 8 Countries (10th in US)
Mexico: 139,103
India: 87,840
Jamaica: 40,240
Vietnam: 36,119
China: 36,107
Korea: 34,659
Nigeria: 22,428
Guatemala: 21,941

Interesting that ATL has the 3rd highest ethnic community of Indians behind only the juggernauts LAX/JFK, when talking about DL hubs.

That's not what this post says, it only lists three cities, not ranking including other cities.

LAXdude1023 · Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:45 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
New York City - 44 Countries (1st in US)
Dominican Republic: 636,253
China: 522,232
India: 357,012
Mexico: 265,044
Jamaica: 248,255
Ecuador: 239,909
Haiti: 160,525
Philippines: 145,434
Colombia: 178,839
Guyana: 169,406
Korea: 137,017
El Salvador: 133,718
Bangladesh: 106,009
Italy: 104,508
Peru: 104,182
Poland: 101,075
Trinidad and Tobago: 100,565
Guatemala: 85,578
Russia: 85,445
Ukraine: 84,442
Pakistan: 75,949
Honduras: 72,201
United Kingdom: 66,491
Cuba: 60,694
Brazil: 57,839
Egypt: 51,701
Nigeria: 45,673
Ghana: 44,130
Germany: 40,356
Portugal: 38,503
Israel: 34,690
Japan: 33,027
Uzbekistan: 30,764
Ireland: 30,641
Argentina: 28,407
Barbados: 27,504
Grenada: 27,317
Turkey: 27,412
France: 26,853
Albania: 26,201
Vietnam: 24,353
Venezuela: 22,830
Romania: 22,503
Spain: 21,749

Los Angeles - 20 Countries (2nd in US)
Mexico: 1,547,703
China: 358,193
Philippines: 297,191
El Salvador: 285,707
Vietnam: 251,499
Korea: 209,026
Guatemala: 185,803
Iran: 137,632
India: 95,957
Armenia: 69,157
Japan: 48,447
United Kingdom: 44,517
Honduras: 37,466
Peru: 32,308
Cambodia: 27,070
Thailand: 24,818
Russia: 24,368
Nicaragua: 23,726
Colombia: 22,902
Germany: 22,619

Atlanta - 8 Countries (10th in US)
Mexico: 139,103
India: 87,840
Jamaica: 40,240
Vietnam: 36,119
China: 36,107
Korea: 34,659
Nigeria: 22,428
Guatemala: 21,941

Interesting that ATL has the 3rd highest ethnic community of Indians behind only the juggernauts LAX/JFK, when talking about DL hubs. While you mention that ethnic communities alone don't drive the feasability of a route, with ATL being so massively connected to the rest of the US, would ATL-India ever be logical again? In my humble opinion, I think that's the last unserved international void in ATL. China/Korea/Mexico/Nigeria are already all served by direct DL flights from ATL. Only problem is yield probably. That and Russian airspace/ aircraft range

Well, Atlanta has about the same sized Indian community as Houston. Its much smaller than DFW, DC, or Chicago. So I dont know if its best to fed India traffic through ATL or just let it run through NYC or Europe. As for China, I honestly dont see a real reason for it to be served direct from ATL. There is more demand from DTW and its a better geographic location.

Polot · Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:58 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
New York City - 44 Countries (1st in US)
Dominican Republic: 636,253
China: 522,232
India: 357,012
Mexico: 265,044
Jamaica: 248,255
Ecuador: 239,909
Haiti: 160,525
Philippines: 145,434
Colombia: 178,839
Guyana: 169,406
Korea: 137,017
El Salvador: 133,718
Bangladesh: 106,009
Italy: 104,508
Peru: 104,182
Poland: 101,075
Trinidad and Tobago: 100,565
Guatemala: 85,578
Russia: 85,445
Ukraine: 84,442
Pakistan: 75,949
Honduras: 72,201
United Kingdom: 66,491
Cuba: 60,694
Brazil: 57,839
Egypt: 51,701
Nigeria: 45,673
Ghana: 44,130
Germany: 40,356
Portugal: 38,503
Israel: 34,690
Japan: 33,027
Uzbekistan: 30,764
Ireland: 30,641
Argentina: 28,407
Barbados: 27,504
Grenada: 27,317
Turkey: 27,412
France: 26,853
Albania: 26,201
Vietnam: 24,353
Venezuela: 22,830
Romania: 22,503
Spain: 21,749

Los Angeles - 20 Countries (2nd in US)
Mexico: 1,547,703
China: 358,193
Philippines: 297,191
El Salvador: 285,707
Vietnam: 251,499
Korea: 209,026
Guatemala: 185,803
Iran: 137,632
India: 95,957
Armenia: 69,157
Japan: 48,447
United Kingdom: 44,517
Honduras: 37,466
Peru: 32,308
Cambodia: 27,070
Thailand: 24,818
Russia: 24,368
Nicaragua: 23,726
Colombia: 22,902
Germany: 22,619

Atlanta - 8 Countries (10th in US)
Mexico: 139,103
India: 87,840
Jamaica: 40,240
Vietnam: 36,119
China: 36,107
Korea: 34,659
Nigeria: 22,428
Guatemala: 21,941

Interesting that ATL has the 3rd highest ethnic community of Indians behind only the juggernauts LAX/JFK, when talking about DL hubs. While you mention that ethnic communities alone don't drive the feasability of a route, with ATL being so massively connected to the rest of the US, would ATL-India ever be logical again? In my humble opinion, I think that's the last unserved international void in ATL. China/Korea/Mexico/Nigeria are already all served by direct DL flights from ATL. Only problem is yield probably. That and Russian airspace/ aircraft range

Well, Atlanta has about the same sized Indian community as Houston. Its much smaller than DFW, DC, or Chicago. So I dont know if its best to fed India traffic through ATL or just let it run through NYC or Europe. As for China, I honestly dont see a real reason for it to be served direct from ATL. There is more demand from DTW and its a better geographic location.

DL had been serving PVG nonstop from ATL since summer 2018 pre-covid. Obviously it was cut early 2020, and with China’s zero covid policy killing demand has not come back, and likely will not for a while.

Boeing757100 · Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:06 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
New York City - 44 Countries (1st in US)
Dominican Republic: 636,253
China: 522,232
India: 357,012
Mexico: 265,044
Jamaica: 248,255
Ecuador: 239,909
Haiti: 160,525
Philippines: 145,434
Colombia: 178,839
Guyana: 169,406
Korea: 137,017
El Salvador: 133,718
Bangladesh: 106,009
Italy: 104,508
Peru: 104,182
Poland: 101,075
Trinidad and Tobago: 100,565
Guatemala: 85,578
Russia: 85,445
Ukraine: 84,442
Pakistan: 75,949
Honduras: 72,201
United Kingdom: 66,491
Cuba: 60,694
Brazil: 57,839
Egypt: 51,701
Nigeria: 45,673
Ghana: 44,130
Germany: 40,356
Portugal: 38,503
Israel: 34,690
Japan: 33,027
Uzbekistan: 30,764
Ireland: 30,641
Argentina: 28,407
Barbados: 27,504
Grenada: 27,317
Turkey: 27,412
France: 26,853
Albania: 26,201
Vietnam: 24,353
Venezuela: 22,830
Romania: 22,503
Spain: 21,749

Los Angeles - 20 Countries (2nd in US)
Mexico: 1,547,703
China: 358,193
Philippines: 297,191
El Salvador: 285,707
Vietnam: 251,499
Korea: 209,026
Guatemala: 185,803
Iran: 137,632
India: 95,957
Armenia: 69,157
Japan: 48,447
United Kingdom: 44,517
Honduras: 37,466
Peru: 32,308
Cambodia: 27,070
Thailand: 24,818
Russia: 24,368
Nicaragua: 23,726
Colombia: 22,902
Germany: 22,619

Atlanta - 8 Countries (10th in US)
Mexico: 139,103
India: 87,840
Jamaica: 40,240
Vietnam: 36,119
China: 36,107
Korea: 34,659
Nigeria: 22,428
Guatemala: 21,941

Interesting that ATL has the 3rd highest ethnic community of Indians behind only the juggernauts LAX/JFK, when talking about DL hubs. While you mention that ethnic communities alone don't drive the feasability of a route, with ATL being so massively connected to the rest of the US, would ATL-India ever be logical again? In my humble opinion, I think that's the last unserved international void in ATL. China/Korea/Mexico/Nigeria are already all served by direct DL flights from ATL. Only problem is yield probably. That and Russian airspace/ aircraft range

Well, Atlanta has about the same sized Indian community as Houston. Its much smaller than DFW, DC, or Chicago. So I dont know if its best to fed India traffic through ATL or just let it run through NYC or Europe. As for China, I honestly dont see a real reason for it to be served direct from ATL. There is more demand from DTW and its a better geographic location.

As for PVG, Mr.Bastian seemed eager to resume it a few years ago. There must have been some kind of other justification for it.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1335933

Back to India, I agree with you but again, I remember a pretty funny proposition that some Desis in ATL were pitching AI to serve ATL in around 2018. Of course, this never will/would have happened.
https://www.indianeagle.com/travelbeats ... -to-india/

Also back in 2009, when DL had an ATL-BOM route, some pretty high ranking people were on that flight, one even taking it 4 times in the ten months it operated
https://www.globalatlanta.com/low-point ... s-in-2009/

Obviously PVG is probably more high yielding than BOM (and they have a partner), but I have no idea if there's any other justification for long haul routes from ATL-China/India. Probably you're right, but if these seemingly important people are this sad about losing their flights, something must be up right? Or is it just a big stunt?

Amwest2United · Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:18 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
VFR and the potential for it is a quite fascinating topic. VFR depends solely on demographics and nothing more or less, but just because a city has a large ethnic community doesnt mean it generates a lot of traffic. Minneapolis/St. Paul has the largest Somali and Laotian communities in the US but MSP-VTE/MGQ dont even generate double digit PDEWs. On the other hand VFR traffic is huge in a market like LAX-ICN, SFO-China, NYC-India, etc. Because of that Im not trying to imply market size, but rather VFR potential.

Anyway, I thought Id look at the ethnic diversities for the DL hubs and it is a relatively good indicator of their VFR potential. The data is from data.census.gov and is from 2020. All immigrant communities over 20,000 in the specific metro areas are listed. Im only considering DL hubs.

New York City - 44 Countries (1st in US)
Dominican Republic: 636,253
China: 522,232
India: 357,012
Mexico: 265,044
Jamaica: 248,255
Ecuador: 239,909
Haiti: 160,525
Philippines: 145,434
Colombia: 178,839
Guyana: 169,406
Korea: 137,017
El Salvador: 133,718
Bangladesh: 106,009
Italy: 104,508
Peru: 104,182
Poland: 101,075
Trinidad and Tobago: 100,565
Guatemala: 85,578
Russia: 85,445
Ukraine: 84,442
Pakistan: 75,949
Honduras: 72,201
United Kingdom: 66,491
Cuba: 60,694
Brazil: 57,839
Egypt: 51,701
Nigeria: 45,673
Ghana: 44,130
Germany: 40,356
Portugal: 38,503
Israel: 34,690
Japan: 33,027
Uzbekistan: 30,764
Ireland: 30,641
Argentina: 28,407
Barbados: 27,504
Grenada: 27,317
Turkey: 27,412
France: 26,853
Albania: 26,201
Vietnam: 24,353
Venezuela: 22,830
Romania: 22,503
Spain: 21,749

Los Angeles - 20 Countries (2nd in US)
Mexico: 1,547,703
China: 358,193
Philippines: 297,191
El Salvador: 285,707
Vietnam: 251,499
Korea: 209,026
Guatemala: 185,803
Iran: 137,632
India: 95,957
Armenia: 69,157
Japan: 48,447
United Kingdom: 44,517
Honduras: 37,466
Peru: 32,308
Cambodia: 27,070
Thailand: 24,818
Russia: 24,368
Nicaragua: 23,726
Colombia: 22,902
Germany: 22,619

Boston - 11 Countries (6th in the US)
China: 105,200
Dominican Republic: 81,150
India: 64,240
Brazil: 55,290
Haiti: 54,293
El Salvador: 37,814
Vietnam: 25,257
Cabo Verde: 24,843
Guatemala: 23,390
Colombia: 20,557
United Kingdom: 20,397

Atlanta - 8 Countries (10th in US)
Mexico: 139,103
India: 87,840
Jamaica: 40,240
Vietnam: 36,119
China: 36,107
Korea: 34,659
Nigeria: 22,428
Guatemala: 21,941

Seattle/Tacoma - 7 Countries
Mexico: 91,161
China: 88,057
India: 82,467
Philippines: 52,467
Vietnam: 48,507
Korea: 40,373
Ukraine: 22,959

Detroit - 6 Countries
India: 55,538
Iraq: 52,608
Mexico: 35,972
China: 20,871
Yemen: 20,511
Lebanon: 20,460

Minneapolis/St. Paul - 5 Countries
Mexico: 42,790
Somalia: 28,839
India: 28,546
Laos: 22,354
Ethiopia: 20,983

What about SLC, anything showing for them?

LAXdude1023 · Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:29 am

Amwest2United wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
VFR and the potential for it is a quite fascinating topic. VFR depends solely on demographics and nothing more or less, but just because a city has a large ethnic community doesnt mean it generates a lot of traffic. Minneapolis/St. Paul has the largest Somali and Laotian communities in the US but MSP-VTE/MGQ dont even generate double digit PDEWs. On the other hand VFR traffic is huge in a market like LAX-ICN, SFO-China, NYC-India, etc. Because of that Im not trying to imply market size, but rather VFR potential.

Anyway, I thought Id look at the ethnic diversities for the DL hubs and it is a relatively good indicator of their VFR potential. The data is from data.census.gov and is from 2020. All immigrant communities over 20,000 in the specific metro areas are listed. Im only considering DL hubs.

New York City - 44 Countries (1st in US)
Dominican Republic: 636,253
China: 522,232
India: 357,012
Mexico: 265,044
Jamaica: 248,255
Ecuador: 239,909
Haiti: 160,525
Philippines: 145,434
Colombia: 178,839
Guyana: 169,406
Korea: 137,017
El Salvador: 133,718
Bangladesh: 106,009
Italy: 104,508
Peru: 104,182
Poland: 101,075
Trinidad and Tobago: 100,565
Guatemala: 85,578
Russia: 85,445
Ukraine: 84,442
Pakistan: 75,949
Honduras: 72,201
United Kingdom: 66,491
Cuba: 60,694
Brazil: 57,839
Egypt: 51,701
Nigeria: 45,673
Ghana: 44,130
Germany: 40,356
Portugal: 38,503
Israel: 34,690
Japan: 33,027
Uzbekistan: 30,764
Ireland: 30,641
Argentina: 28,407
Barbados: 27,504
Grenada: 27,317
Turkey: 27,412
France: 26,853
Albania: 26,201
Vietnam: 24,353
Venezuela: 22,830
Romania: 22,503
Spain: 21,749

Los Angeles - 20 Countries (2nd in US)
Mexico: 1,547,703
China: 358,193
Philippines: 297,191
El Salvador: 285,707
Vietnam: 251,499
Korea: 209,026
Guatemala: 185,803
Iran: 137,632
India: 95,957
Armenia: 69,157
Japan: 48,447
United Kingdom: 44,517
Honduras: 37,466
Peru: 32,308
Cambodia: 27,070
Thailand: 24,818
Russia: 24,368
Nicaragua: 23,726
Colombia: 22,902
Germany: 22,619

Boston - 11 Countries (6th in the US)
China: 105,200
Dominican Republic: 81,150
India: 64,240
Brazil: 55,290
Haiti: 54,293
El Salvador: 37,814
Vietnam: 25,257
Cabo Verde: 24,843
Guatemala: 23,390
Colombia: 20,557
United Kingdom: 20,397

Atlanta - 8 Countries (10th in US)
Mexico: 139,103
India: 87,840
Jamaica: 40,240
Vietnam: 36,119
China: 36,107
Korea: 34,659
Nigeria: 22,428
Guatemala: 21,941

Seattle/Tacoma - 7 Countries
Mexico: 91,161
China: 88,057
India: 82,467
Philippines: 52,467
Vietnam: 48,507
Korea: 40,373
Ukraine: 22,959

Detroit - 6 Countries
India: 55,538
Iraq: 52,608
Mexico: 35,972
China: 20,871
Yemen: 20,511
Lebanon: 20,460

Minneapolis/St. Paul - 5 Countries
Mexico: 42,790
Somalia: 28,839
India: 28,546
Laos: 22,354
Ethiopia: 20,983

What about SLC, anything showing for them?

The only one over 10,000 for SLC is Mexico at 87,319.

gregn21 · Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:36 am

questions wrote:
When LAX T2/3 is complete, will it impact DL’s network? Said another way, will a larger, more efficient terminal and facilities allow DL to expand in a way it currently has been unable to? If so, how?

Or does the new “Sky Way” only improve operational efficiency and provide a better customer experience?

A couple new routes have already been announced in MIA, PPT.

Some E75 flights like SFO, SMF, LAS, etc have recently been upgauged to the 221. I’d expect PHX and DEN to be next.

And have to think LAX-ORD is coming soon. It’s been arguably the biggest hole in the entire DL network for years now.

flymco753 · Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:00 pm

gregn21 wrote:
questions wrote:
When LAX T2/3 is complete, will it impact DL’s network? Said another way, will a larger, more efficient terminal and facilities allow DL to expand in a way it currently has been unable to? If so, how?

Or does the new “Sky Way” only improve operational efficiency and provide a better customer experience?

A couple new routes have already been announced in MIA, PPT.

Some E75 flights like SFO, SMF, LAS, etc have recently been upgauged to the 221. I’d expect PHX and DEN to be next.

And have to think LAX-ORD is coming soon. It’s been arguably the biggest hole in the entire DL network for years now.

AA likes to do the “two can play as one” game so if DL added LAX-ORD I would expect an immediate response with AA adding DTW-LAX. I’m pretty sure that’s a contributing factor not related to market conditions.

MIflyer12 · Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:30 pm

flymco753 wrote:
AA likes to do the “two can play as one” game so if DL added LAX-ORD I would expect an immediate response with AA adding DTW-LAX. I’m pretty sure that’s a contributing factor not related to market conditions.

I wouldn't be so sure of that AA response. With Spirit on DTW-LAX, AA wouldn't get its pound of flesh - it would just get big losses competing with Spirit's fares (because it wouldn't be competing with DL's frequencies nor attractive to DL's FF base on either end).

N717TW · Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:25 pm

rjbesikof wrote:
laca773 wrote:
Question: What is the timeline for DL opening the majority (the rest of) T3 @ LAX? I see they are using 31A 31B & 33. How many gates will there be? Will they have any particular flights departing mainly from T3 I.e., Hawaii flights, Mexico flights, Central America redeyes DLX?

Are the hard stands now a thing of the past or do they still have a couple?

The Terminal 3 gate area should be open in the fall. This is how I see the breakdown of what leaves from each terminal:
TBIT: Intl arrivals and their immediate flights (i.e. SAL-LAX-SLC)
T2: Hawaii, JFK/DCA/BOS, Intl departures that just did a domestic flight (i.e. ATL-LAX-SYD).
T3: Everything else
How many preferential gates does DL have in TBIT?

Wouldn't run international arrivals through T2 if possible? I get that they want to be able to use the TBIT gates. Given that T2 has its own FIS facility and wide body capable gates (by virtue of being the original "international" terminal) I'd imagine the benefit of easy single terminal connections plus fairly limited number of passengers vs the vast numbers arriving in Tom Bradley.

N717TW · Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:52 pm

flymco753 wrote:
gregn21 wrote:
questions wrote:
When LAX T2/3 is complete, will it impact DL’s network? Said another way, will a larger, more efficient terminal and facilities allow DL to expand in a way it currently has been unable to? If so, how?

Or does the new “Sky Way” only improve operational efficiency and provide a better customer experience?

A couple new routes have already been announced in MIA, PPT.

Some E75 flights like SFO, SMF, LAS, etc have recently been upgauged to the 221. I’d expect PHX and DEN to be next.

And have to think LAX-ORD is coming soon. It’s been arguably the biggest hole in the entire DL network for years now.
AA likes to do the “two can play as one” game so if DL added LAX-ORD I would expect an immediate response with AA adding DTW-LAX. I’m pretty sure that’s a contributing factor not related to market conditions.

While I agree that LAX-ORD is a clearly missing link in the network, Delta would also be a clear and weak #4 on the route where the other 3 are essentially flying hub-to-hub and each have very strong FF and/or business account bases on both ends. In a world where DL is still down a lot of frames and has limited access to pilots, new routes have compete internally to be justifiable...especially domestic routes.

Midwestindy · Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:39 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
AA likes to do the “two can play as one” game so if DL added LAX-ORD I would expect an immediate response with AA adding DTW-LAX. I’m pretty sure that’s a contributing factor not related to market conditions.

I wouldn't be so sure of that AA response. With Spirit on DTW-LAX, AA wouldn't get its pound of flesh - it would just get big losses competing with Spirit's fares (because it wouldn't be competing with DL's frequencies nor attractive to DL's FF base on either end).

Yeah…I’m not sure AA adding DTW-LAX would be a “gotcha” moment.

They’d add DTW-LAX at most, like 1x daily? DL would be adding ORD-LAX at like 3-4x a day.

Not only would AA adding DTW-LAX not be proportional, it’d just be reckless.

mesasurf · Tue Sep 13, 2022 5:07 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
AA likes to do the “two can play as one” game so if DL added LAX-ORD I would expect an immediate response with AA adding DTW-LAX. I’m pretty sure that’s a contributing factor not related to market conditions.

I wouldn't be so sure of that AA response. With Spirit on DTW-LAX, AA wouldn't get its pound of flesh - it would just get big losses competing with Spirit's fares (because it wouldn't be competing with DL's frequencies nor attractive to DL's FF base on either end).

Yeah…I’m not sure AA adding DTW-LAX would be a “gotcha” moment.

They’d add DTW-LAX at most, like 1x daily? DL would be adding ORD-LAX at like 3-4x a day.

Not only would AA adding DTW-LAX not be proportional, it’d just be reckless.

I think the A220-300 would be a perfect route for LAX-ORD to be flown on.

WA707atMSP · Tue Sep 13, 2022 5:15 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
AA likes to do the “two can play as one” game so if DL added LAX-ORD I would expect an immediate response with AA adding DTW-LAX. I’m pretty sure that’s a contributing factor not related to market conditions.

I wouldn't be so sure of that AA response. With Spirit on DTW-LAX, AA wouldn't get its pound of flesh - it would just get big losses competing with Spirit's fares (because it wouldn't be competing with DL's frequencies nor attractive to DL's FF base on either end).

Yeah…I’m not sure AA adding DTW-LAX would be a “gotcha” moment.

They’d add DTW-LAX at most, like 1x daily? DL would be adding ORD-LAX at like 3-4x a day.

Not only would AA adding DTW-LAX not be proportional, it’d just be reckless.

I'd be VERY surprised if AA added DTW-LAX, for the reasons others have said. If...and it's a BIG if....AA wanted to retaliate against DL by adding a new route at DTW, I think the most likely route AA would add would be DTW-LHR, using an A321 XLR, which would link DTW with AA / BA's large hub at LHR. AA / BA would have an advantage over DL from the London end of the route, and AA would not have to compete against Spirit's low fares like AA would if they added DTW-LAX.

rjbesikof · Wed Sep 14, 2022 4:01 am

DL is introducing an A339neo to LAX-HNL effective 10/31/2022.
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220913-dlnw22hnl
I also saw that they upgraded the other LAX-HNL flights to 767s. Has DL ever gone all widebody on LAX-HNL?

gregn21 · Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:33 am

rjbesikof wrote:
DL is introducing an A339neo to LAX-HNL effective 10/31/2022.
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220913-dlnw22hnl
I also saw that they upgraded the other LAX-HNL flights to 767s. Has DL ever gone all widebody on LAX-HNL?

LAX-OGG will also see various 763 and 32Q frequencies this winter.

LAX-HNL is set to lose the 339 and go 3x daily 763 starting in January.

WassbiKhalifa · Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:29 am

Way back in the day DL flew L1011's to Hawaii and even flew them between HNL-OGG.

flyboy80 · Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:19 am

I believe they also used to serve both LAX-HNL & OGG with the 764 (prior to that aircraft operating in an international configuration).

MIflyer12 · Wed Sep 14, 2022 1:03 pm

rjbesikof wrote:
DL is introducing an A339neo to LAX-HNL effective 10/31/2022.

That's an interesting one. Has anybody done utilization mapping to see if that's working off some other LAX-XXX rotation?

A 332 or 333ceo I could better understand. LAX-HNL is kind of an odd route for premium metal, frankly. I don't see how they'll get the full 4-cabin premiums on a leisure route so short. (No, not even out of LAX.)

jbs2886 · Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:52 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:
DL is introducing an A339neo to LAX-HNL effective 10/31/2022.

That's an interesting one. Has anybody done utilization mapping to see if that's working off some other LAX-XXX rotation?

A 332 or 333ceo I could better understand. LAX-HNL is kind of an odd route for premium metal, frankly. I don't see how they'll get the full 4-cabin premiums on a leisure route so short. (No, not even out of LAX.)

I'm guessing utilization, DL also uses A339 on SEA-HNL often and I think the A339s are heavy on the west coast (IIRC HND from LAX is going to be the A339). I'd also note that both the reconfigured A332 (all complete) and A333 (I think almost all are done now?) have more Delta One than the A339. The A339 has 7 more Premium Select than both the ceos, but almost double Comfort +. So, other than Comfort +, it really isn't more premium. Finally, DL actually sells Premium Select on HNL as Comfort + and Comfort + as just economy.

777Mech · Wed Sep 14, 2022 4:01 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:
DL is introducing an A339neo to LAX-HNL effective 10/31/2022.

That's an interesting one. Has anybody done utilization mapping to see if that's working off some other LAX-XXX rotation?

A 332 or 333ceo I could better understand. LAX-HNL is kind of an odd route for premium metal, frankly. I don't see how they'll get the full 4-cabin premiums on a leisure route so short. (No, not even out of LAX.)

I'm guessing utilization, DL also uses A339 on SEA-HNL often and I think the A339s are heavy on the west coast (IIRC HND from LAX is going to be the A339). I'd also note that both the reconfigured A332 (all complete) and A333 (I think almost all are done now?) have more Delta One than the A339. The A339 has 7 more Premium Select than both the ceos, but almost double Comfort +. So, other than Comfort +, it really isn't more premium. Finally, DL actually sells Premium Select on HNL as Comfort + and Comfort + as just economy.

I'm not sure if it has anything to do with it, but there are a subfleet of 339s without wifi, so maybe they're trying to schedule those frames on shorter routings.

jbs2886 · Wed Sep 14, 2022 4:04 pm

777Mech wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

That's an interesting one. Has anybody done utilization mapping to see if that's working off some other LAX-XXX rotation?

A 332 or 333ceo I could better understand. LAX-HNL is kind of an odd route for premium metal, frankly. I don't see how they'll get the full 4-cabin premiums on a leisure route so short. (No, not even out of LAX.)

I'm guessing utilization, DL also uses A339 on SEA-HNL often and I think the A339s are heavy on the west coast (IIRC HND from LAX is going to be the A339). I'd also note that both the reconfigured A332 (all complete) and A333 (I think almost all are done now?) have more Delta One than the A339. The A339 has 7 more Premium Select than both the ceos, but almost double Comfort +. So, other than Comfort +, it really isn't more premium. Finally, DL actually sells Premium Select on HNL as Comfort + and Comfort + as just economy.

I'm not sure if it has anything to do with it, but there are a subfleet of 339s without wifi, so maybe they're trying to schedule those frames on shorter routings.

Interesting, how long will they be without Wifi?

gregn21 · Wed Sep 14, 2022 4:47 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:
DL is introducing an A339neo to LAX-HNL effective 10/31/2022.

That's an interesting one. Has anybody done utilization mapping to see if that's working off some other LAX-XXX rotation?

LAX-HND resumes daily on 10/30 with the 339. I’m guessing the timing of the HNL flight will reciprocate it. There are currently no other planned 339 flights ex LAX.

DeSpringbokke · Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:04 pm

rjbesikof wrote:
DL is introducing an A339neo to LAX-HNL effective 10/31/2022.
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220913-dlnw22hnl
I also saw that they upgraded the other LAX-HNL flights to 767s. Has DL ever gone all widebody on LAX-HNL?

I have flown LAX-HNL on L1011s and 767-400ERs, before they were converted to international aircraft, which they should have been from the start. Also, I have flown a 767-300 on LAX-OGG as well. Narrowbody flights to Hawai'i on Delta did not become a thing until the NW merger.

evank516 · Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:38 pm

When will Delta have its schedules finalized through Thanksgiving?

jplatts · Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:36 pm

N717TW wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
gregn21 wrote:

A couple new routes have already been announced in MIA, PPT.

Some E75 flights like SFO, SMF, LAS, etc have recently been upgauged to the 221. I’d expect PHX and DEN to be next.

And have to think LAX-ORD is coming soon. It’s been arguably the biggest hole in the entire DL network for years now.
AA likes to do the “two can play as one” game so if DL added LAX-ORD I would expect an immediate response with AA adding DTW-LAX. I’m pretty sure that’s a contributing factor not related to market conditions.

While I agree that LAX-ORD is a clearly missing link in the network, Delta would also be a clear and weak #4 on the route where the other 3 are essentially flying hub-to-hub and each have very strong FF and/or business account bases on both ends. In a world where DL is still down a lot of frames and has limited access to pilots, new routes have compete internally to be justifiable...especially domestic routes.

CLT can probably support DL nonstop service out of LAX with
(a) CLT-LAX being one of the top domestic routes in the entire U.S. by O&D PDEW's that doesn't currently have any nonstop competition,
(b) LAX having higher O&D PDEW's to CLT than ATL/DTW/MSP/SLC, and
(c) DL having some FF's in Greater Los Angeles who would avoid AA whenever possible (even with AA having hubs at both LAX and CLT along with AA having nonstop service out of LAX to some destinations that don't currently have DL nonstop service out of LAX).

Here is how the O&D PDEW's of CLT-LAX compare to that of CLT-ATL/DTW/MSP/SLC in Q1 2022:
CLT-LAX/BUR/LGB/ONT/SNA - 445
CLT-LAX - 352
CLT-DTW - 200
CLT-SLC - 176
CLT-MSP - 163
CLT-ATL - 152

Here is the breakdown of current service to CLT from ATL/DTW/LAX/MSP/SLC:
ATL-CLT - 7x DL, 5x AA
DTW-CLT - 4x DL, 3x AA
MSP-CLT - 3x DL, 3x AA
SLC-CLT - 1x DL, 1x AA
LAX-CLT - 6x AA

DL can also probably get better yields on LAX-CLT than AA would likely be getting on LAX-DTW as DL is unlikely to face nonstop ULCC competition on LAX-CLT whereas NK currently serves DTW nonstop from LAX in addition to DL.

Jshank83 · Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:54 pm

evank516 wrote:
When will Delta have its schedules finalized through Thanksgiving?

I'd guess they are now.

HVNandrew · Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:39 am

Somewhat of a random post, but also somewhat of a random add. Just saw that DL quietly added 3x daily BOS-HPN service beginning in November on E75s. I think that's a lot of plane for that route; I don't think it has been flown in about 10-15 years, and it had always been flown on small props.

I'm not that surprised that the route is coming back, but again somewhat surprised it is on DL and on such a large plane. It seems like a prime route for 9K given its presence both in HPN and BOS. For DL it seems like an oddball; they don't really fly super-short regional routes out of BOS - I think this would be their shortest flight out of there?

laca773 · Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:05 am

gregn21 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:
DL is introducing an A339neo to LAX-HNL effective 10/31/2022.

That's an interesting one. Has anybody done utilization mapping to see if that's working off some other LAX-XXX rotation?

LAX-HND resumes daily on 10/30 with the 339. I’m guessing the timing of the HNL flight will reciprocate it. There are currently no other planned 339 flights ex LAX.

With the A339 coming to LAX-HNL could DL be thinking of turning/upgauging HNL-NRT after arriving from LAX?

laca773 · Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:11 am

At some point couldn’t DL operate LAX-ORD up to 3x daily using the A221/A223s?

B6 has axed LAX-JAX due to not having enough crews . This would be a good market for DL to operate. The same frequencies as B6 4-5x a week and operate it with A221/A223s. Large FF base on both ends compared to B6.

BoeingGuy · Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:59 am

laca773 wrote:
At some point couldn’t DL operate LAX-ORD up to 3x daily using the A221/A223s?

B6 has axed LAX-JAX due to not having enough crews . This would be a good market for DL to operate. The same frequencies as B6 4-5x a week and operate it with A221/A223s. Large FF base on both ends compared to B6.

DL has flown LAX-JAX in the past with a 737-800. Not sure what the loads were, but maybe an A220 is the right size airplane.

rjbesikof · Fri Sep 16, 2022 6:50 am

questions wrote:
When LAX T2/3 is complete, will it impact DL’s network? Said another way, will a larger, more efficient terminal and facilities allow DL to expand in a way it currently has been unable to? If so, how?

Or does the new “Sky Way” only improve operational efficiency and provide a better customer experience?

When all is said and done, I believe DL will be the dominant carrier at LAX. Their well into their terminal construction projects in Los Angeles while AA and UA will be gate constrained for a while. I could see DL add LAX-IAD/ICN. IAD could be a good complement to DCA. I know KE was looking to add a seasonal frequency to LAX-ICN in NS20 before COVID hit. Maybe DL could operate that flight?

laca773 · Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:43 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
laca773 wrote:
At some point couldn’t DL operate LAX-ORD up to 3x daily using the A221/A223s?

B6 has axed LAX-JAX due to not having enough crews . This would be a good market for DL to operate. The same frequencies as B6 4-5x a week and operate it with A221/A223s. Large FF base on both ends compared to B6.

DL has flown LAX-JAX in the past with a 737-800. Not sure what the loads were, but maybe an A220 is the right size airplane.

I think that’s what could bring back the nonstop. As the demand increases then they can upgauge to the B738. I believe many of us will agree the A220 series has been a game changer for longer thin markets where the economics are markedly better versus operating the larger B737s or A21Ns until the route develops more financially. Other routes that come to mind are LAX-BDL, ATL-BUR, JFK-SJC.

Polot · Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:16 am

laca773 wrote:

I think that’s what could bring back the nonstop. As the demand increases then they can upgauge to the B738. I believe many of us will agree the A220 series has been a game changer for longer thin markets where the economics are markedly better versus operating the larger B737s or A21Ns until the route develops more financially. Other routes that come to mind are LAX-BDL, ATL-BUR, JFK-SJC.

I like the A220 but DL’s operations with the aircraft haven’t reflected this at all. They aren’t really using them for long thin markets but rather high frequency markets (when counting all airlines, not necessarily for DL) with heavy competition.

Right the A220 more has a reputation on A.net as being a game changer for long thin markets than actually proving that in use.

777Mech · Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:17 pm

Polot wrote:
laca773 wrote:

I think that’s what could bring back the nonstop. As the demand increases then they can upgauge to the B738. I believe many of us will agree the A220 series has been a game changer for longer thin markets where the economics are markedly better versus operating the larger B737s or A21Ns until the route develops more financially. Other routes that come to mind are LAX-BDL, ATL-BUR, JFK-SJC.

I like the A220 but DL’s operations with the aircraft haven’t reflected this at all. They aren’t really using them for long thin markets but rather high frequency markets (when counting all airlines, not necessarily for DL) with heavy competition.

Right the A220 more has a reputation on A.net as being a game changer for long thin markets than actually proving that in use.

Simply because they don't have the economy of scale with the 223s to really make an impact. LAX-JAX for instance would take up a lot of block time for those ships. The 221s can't really stretch their legs because of the cascading effect of the regional staffing issues.

OzarkD9S · Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:34 pm

rjbesikof wrote:

When all is said and done, I believe DL will be the dominant carrier at LAX. Their well into their terminal construction projects in Los Angeles while AA and UA will be gate constrained for a while. I could see DL add LAX-IAD/ICN. IAD could be a good complement to DCA. I know KE was looking to add a seasonal frequency to LAX-ICN in NS20 before COVID hit. Maybe DL could operate that flight?

DL might take the #1 spot at LAX by one or more metrics, but neither DL nor anyone else will become "dominant" there. Barring a liquidation of AA and UA and WN of course. MOST unlikely.

laca773 · Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:31 pm

777Mech wrote:
Polot wrote:
laca773 wrote:

I think that’s what could bring back the nonstop. As the demand increases then they can upgauge to the B738. I believe many of us will agree the A220 series has been a game changer for longer thin markets where the economics are markedly better versus operating the larger B737s or A21Ns until the route develops more financially. Other routes that come to mind are LAX-BDL, ATL-BUR, JFK-SJC.

I like the A220 but DL’s operations with the aircraft haven’t reflected this at all. They aren’t really using them for long thin markets but rather high frequency markets (when counting all airlines, not necessarily for DL) with heavy competition.

Right the A220 more has a reputation on A.net as being a game changer for long thin markets than actually proving that in use.

Simply because they don't have the economy of scale with the 223s to really make an impact. LAX-JAX for instance would take up a lot of block time for those ships. The 221s can't really stretch their legs because of the cascading effect of the regional staffing issues.

Thank you for the insight. B6.was operating the eastbound as a redeye & westbound 6pm’ish. I’ve noticed they’re using the A221/A223s on LAX-SAT/AUS*/IAH (*varies with a mix of A320/A321s right now. They are very good at a/c swaps based on demand. SAT has really grown from LAX for DL. From 2x/daily E75s, up gauged to 2x/daily A319 or mix of A221 & A319,to currently 2x/A223.

ATL-BUR a once daily A319 or A221 to start and can upgauge as demand warrants. When the B73Ws were retired it left a void even though a very small sub fleet it took away some of these routes.

laca773 · Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:34 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:

When all is said and done, I believe DL will be the dominant carrier at LAX. Their well into their terminal construction projects in Los Angeles while AA and UA will be gate constrained for a while. I could see DL add LAX-IAD/ICN. IAD could be a good complement to DCA. I know KE was looking to add a seasonal frequency to LAX-ICN in NS20 before COVID hit. Maybe DL could operate that flight?

DL might take the #1 spot at LAX by one or more metrics, but neither DL nor anyone else will become "dominant" there. Barring a liquidation of AA and UA and WN of course. MOST unlikely.

DL’s strategy and has been working very well for them.

laca773 · Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:55 am

DeSpringbokke wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:
DL is introducing an A339neo to LAX-HNL effective 10/31/2022.
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220913-dlnw22hnl
I also saw that they upgraded the other LAX-HNL flights to 767s. Has DL ever gone all widebody on LAX-HNL?

I have flown LAX-HNL on L1011s and 767-400ERs, before they were converted to international aircraft, which they should have been from the start. Also, I have flown a 767-300 on LAX-OGG as well. Narrowbody flights to Hawai'i on Delta did not become a thing until the NW merger.

Those definitely were great times back then. Even in Y they served Steak, baked potatoes, a nice salad, carrot or cheese cake & warm rolls not a celephane wrapped stale, frozen white roll. .

Mannoroth · Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:05 pm

I've been wondering about this a bit recently, but would DL's mid-2010s buildup of SEA have been NW if the two carriers had remained separate entities? NW was historically much larger in SEA and it feels like they would've added a few more routes from there once they got the 787s. Seemed like they were building it up as another hub before the merger.

LAXintl · Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:45 pm

As a heads up Delta on September 29th has a media event at LAX to show the next phase of renovated Terminal-3 along with becoming a corporate partner of LA28 Olympics.

As part of the announcement teaser, they state " We’ll announce new international routes from LAX"

Let the guesses begin...

To me it could be something rather boring such as Mexico and Canada route, or maybe something with JV partners like LATAM into South America or a Seoul flight on DL metal to compliment KE service.

flyfresno · Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:51 pm

LAXintl wrote:
As a heads up Delta on September 29th has a media event at LAX to show the next phase of renovated Terminal-3 along with becoming a corporate partner of LA28 Olympics.

As part of the announcement teaser, they state " We’ll announce new international routes from LAX"

Let the guesses begin...

To me it could be something rather boring such as Mexico and Canada route, or maybe something with JV partners like LATAM into South America or a Seoul flight on DL metal to compliment KE service.

Any previously served Europe markets from JFK that could come back? What about Asia from SEA (MNL/SIN/TPE)? ICN or AMS/CDG from new cities?

carljanderson · Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:58 pm

LAXintl wrote:
As a heads up Delta on September 29th has a media event at LAX to show the next phase of renovated Terminal-3 along with becoming a corporate partner of LA28 Olympics.

As part of the announcement teaser, they state " We’ll announce new international routes from LAX"

Let the guesses begin...

To me it could be something rather boring such as Mexico and Canada route, or maybe something with JV partners like LATAM into South America or a Seoul flight on DL metal to compliment KE service.

Didn't some of those letters of support of the LATAM JVfrom the city indicate that DL was going to add 2 new Int'l routes after the JV was set up?

I'd guess one to Lima, and one to Santiago.

jbs2886 · Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:05 pm

LAXintl wrote:
As a heads up Delta on September 29th has a media event at LAX to show the next phase of renovated Terminal-3 along with becoming a corporate partner of LA28 Olympics.

As part of the announcement teaser, they state " We’ll announce new international routes from LAX"

Let the guesses begin...

To me it could be something rather boring such as Mexico and Canada route, or maybe something with JV partners like LATAM into South America or a Seoul flight on DL metal to compliment KE service.

Very interesting and exciting. But, I suspect maybe some narrowbody routes - at most a route to Europe.

MIflyer12 · Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:07 pm

flyfresno wrote:
What about Asia from SEA (MNL/SIN/TPE)?

I wouldn't bet on those. Note even if you gave me 5:1 odds.

carljanderson wrote:
I'd guess one to Lima, and one to Santiago.

I wouldn't bet on those on DL metal from LAX.

LAXintl wrote:
To me it could be something rather boring such as Mexico and Canada route...

Yes, probably something boring like that, or a restoration of a Central America route that can't properly be called new at all.

PSU.DTW.SCE · Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:34 pm

Or adding frequency / DL metal swaps on current JV routes like CDG or AMS.
I suspect DL does probably want to add some more A359 flying to LAX, since the pilot base category in LAX is really only covering the LAX-SYD flight and LAX-ATL repo flights

FlyingElvii · Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:35 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
AA likes to do the “two can play as one” game so if DL added LAX-ORD I would expect an immediate response with AA adding DTW-LAX. I’m pretty sure that’s a contributing factor not related to market conditions.

I wouldn't be so sure of that AA response. With Spirit on DTW-LAX, AA wouldn't get its pound of flesh - it would just get big losses competing with Spirit's fares (because it wouldn't be competing with DL's frequencies nor attractive to DL's FF base on either end).

But it would draw off some of the DL Premium traffic.

CaptainLeo · Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:54 pm

Hearing a slew of new routes will be announced next week. Most likely will be loaded into the schedule on Saturday. Another announcement will be coming in December. LAX-SYD looking at going twice daily next year. Lets see what gets announced!

jbs2886 · Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:56 pm

CaptainLeo wrote:
Hearing a slew of new routes will be announced next week. Most likely will be loaded into the schedule on Saturday. Another announcement will be coming in December. LAX-SYD looking at going twice daily next year. Lets see what gets announced!

LAX routes only? or More? Personally, I'd love to see SEA-SYD instead of a full twice-daily LAX-SYD, but that's unlikely.

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