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xwb777 wrote:Emirates to increase flights to daily to Orlando MCO for the period from 03JUL2022 to 31AUG2022.
UAEflyer wrote:So far several flights was disrupted due to the 5G on going issue ..
DXB-MCO
DXB-IAH
DXB-SFO
DXB-SEA
DXB-MIA
but there is a 77W on air now going to IAD from CPH
https://fr24.com/UAE9997/2a8a8ec8
johhn14 wrote:https://www.emirates.com/us/english/help/travel-updates/#4843
Emirates will operate the following flights to Boston (BOS), Houston (IAH), and San Francisco (SFO), utilising the Emirates A380 aircraft.
20 January 2022:
‑ EK237 from Dubai to Boston
‑ EK 225 from Dubai to San Francisco
‑ EK 211 from Dubai to Houston
21 January 2022:
‑ EK 238 from Boston to Dubai
‑ EK 226 from San Francisco to Dubai
‑ EK 212 from Houston to Dubai
UAEflyer wrote:johhn14 wrote:https://www.emirates.com/us/english/help/travel-updates/#4843
Emirates will operate the following flights to Boston (BOS), Houston (IAH), and San Francisco (SFO), utilising the Emirates A380 aircraft.
20 January 2022:
‑ EK237 from Dubai to Boston
‑ EK 225 from Dubai to San Francisco
‑ EK 211 from Dubai to Houston
21 January 2022:
‑ EK 238 from Boston to Dubai
‑ EK 226 from San Francisco to Dubai
‑ EK 212 from Houston to Dubai
The issue is resolved, AT&T postponed the 5G coverage near the airports, why EK changed their airplanes while the cause is not there !!
at least an upgrade to the passengers
https://www.thenationalnews.com/busines ... -showdown/
Western727 wrote:Was EK affected at all by yesterday's missile attacks targeting Abu Dhabi and Saudi Arabia? AUH suspended departures and arrivals for one hour before resuming. With DXB being only 72 mi away by bird I wonder if there was an impact.
My expat sister and her family, whose subdivision (Al Reef Villas) literally abuts AUH, slept through the whole thing.
UAEflyer wrote:Western727 wrote:Was EK affected at all by yesterday's missile attacks targeting Abu Dhabi and Saudi Arabia? AUH suspended departures and arrivals for one hour before resuming. With DXB being only 72 mi away by bird I wonder if there was an impact.
My expat sister and her family, whose subdivision (Al Reef Villas) literally abuts AUH, slept through the whole thing.
Nothing at all , DXB was normal and all flights and passengers were as smooth as silk , the media always make things 100X the fact. The missiles targeted the US Air Force that is based out of AUH city, it was intercepted by them.
Hopefully it doesn’t happen again, but if it did, it would be like Saudi airports, they get these rockets every once in a while .
mrkerr7474 wrote:Has there been any indication if/when EK will return to Edinburgh?
xwb777 wrote:Emirates goes double A380s to Sydney starting from March 02.
https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... 1644465521
TC957 wrote:mrkerr7474 wrote:Has there been any indication if/when EK will return to Edinburgh?
Not as yet, I suspect it won't be before late this year at the earliest.
JannEejit wrote:TC957 wrote:mrkerr7474 wrote:Has there been any indication if/when EK will return to Edinburgh?
Not as yet, I suspect it won't be before late this year at the earliest.
Wasn't that one permanently withdrawn as opposed to 'covid withdrawn' ?
Airlinerdude wrote:As of February 10th, there are 65 out of 120 (54%) A380s flying at EK. Currently, 28 destinations from DXB are served on the A380 with the anticipation of BCN, HKG, IAD, ICN, and SFO recommencing in March/April.
TC957 wrote:Airlinerdude wrote:As of February 10th, there are 65 out of 120 (54%) A380s flying at EK. Currently, 28 destinations from DXB are served on the A380 with the anticipation of BCN, HKG, IAD, ICN, and SFO recommencing in March/April.
Thanks for this. Out of the remaining 55, how many are being preped for service return and how many won't return at all ( ie getting WFU and to be broken up )
airsmiles wrote:TC957 wrote:Airlinerdude wrote:As of February 10th, there are 65 out of 120 (54%) A380s flying at EK. Currently, 28 destinations from DXB are served on the A380 with the anticipation of BCN, HKG, IAD, ICN, and SFO recommencing in March/April.
Thanks for this. Out of the remaining 55, how many are being preped for service return and how many won't return at all ( ie getting WFU and to be broken up )
Of the 65 flying, it would be interesting to know if they’re actually flying profitably. I wonder if at least some are only flying because the 777 fleet is fully committed and they have no smaller aircraft to use.
mjoelnir wrote:airsmiles wrote:TC957 wrote:Thanks for this. Out of the remaining 55, how many are being preped for service return and how many won't return at all ( ie getting WFU and to be broken up )
Of the 65 flying, it would be interesting to know if they’re actually flying profitably. I wonder if at least some are only flying because the 777 fleet is fully committed and they have no smaller aircraft to use.
In regards to the 777-300ER, 22 left the fleet since 2017 without replacement and 2 are parked. Before the pandemic Emirates always declared, that the A380 was the more profitable frame.
mjoelnir wrote:In regards to the 777-300ER, 22 left the fleet since 2017 without replacement and 2 are parked. Before the pandemic Emirates always declared, that the A380 was the more profitable frame.
Airlinerdude wrote:As of February 10th, there are 65 out of 120 (54%) A380s flying at EK. Currently, 28 destinations from DXB are served on the A380 with the anticipation of BCN, HKG, IAD, ICN, and SFO recommencing in March/April.
chonetsao wrote:mjoelnir wrote:In regards to the 777-300ER, 22 left the fleet since 2017 without replacement and 2 are parked. Before the pandemic Emirates always declared, that the A380 was the more profitable frame.
I am not questioning you nor disputing your claim. Just being curious if you have any press release or interview links for other people's reference purpose? Thanks.
mjoelnir wrote:chonetsao wrote:mjoelnir wrote:In regards to the 777-300ER, 22 left the fleet since 2017 without replacement and 2 are parked. Before the pandemic Emirates always declared, that the A380 was the more profitable frame.
I am not questioning you nor disputing your claim. Just being curious if you have any press release or interview links for other people's reference purpose? Thanks.
foe example: https://www.airlineratings.com/news/emi ... -use-a380/
When I fly an A380 from Dubai to Los Angeles with 515 people it burns 13 tons of fuel an hour, about 200 tons for the trip. A Boeing 787-9 in our configuration would be carrying 230-240 passengers. With two flights of the 787, which burns half the fuel, with the number of seats available, the fuel cost per seat on the A380 is cheaper than on the 787
chonetsao wrote:The only close enough description is:When I fly an A380 from Dubai to Los Angeles with 515 people it burns 13 tons of fuel an hour, about 200 tons for the trip. A Boeing 787-9 in our configuration would be carrying 230-240 passengers. With two flights of the 787, which burns half the fuel, with the number of seats available, the fuel cost per seat on the A380 is cheaper than on the 787
But that paragraph only touched a theoretical case of A380 burns less fuel per seat compare to B789. We even did not count airport charges and crew cost. So profitability was not talked in the article. Do you have another source to clearly support your claim? Sorry for being difficult.
mrkerr7474 wrote:JannEejit wrote:TC957 wrote:Not as yet, I suspect it won't be before late this year at the earliest.
Wasn't that one permanently withdrawn as opposed to 'covid withdrawn' ?
I'm not entirely sure. I know it was covid withdrawn but never heard anything about permanently withdrawn and can't find anything online about it
TC957 wrote:Thanks for this. Out of the remaining 55, how many are being preped for service return and how many won't return at all ( ie getting WFU and to be broken up )
airsmiles wrote:Of the 65 flying, it would be interesting to know if they’re actually flying profitably. I wonder if at least some are only flying because the 777 fleet is fully committed and they have no smaller aircraft to use.
Airlinerdude wrote:airsmiles wrote:Of the 65 flying, it would be interesting to know if they’re actually flying profitably. I wonder if at least some are only flying because the 777 fleet is fully committed and they have no smaller aircraft to use.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. In general, businesses don't usually operate assets that aren't at least cash flow positive, unless they're chasing marketshare. Any plane being brought into service at EK is being done so with the anticipation of at least a cash flow positive operation.
Loads in J and F are very strong network wide. Y loads are still not where they were pre-Covid. If anything, that's likely a benefit of operating the A380 in the present environment considering you get the benefit of being able to haul high yielding freight by not having Y full (and thus Y bags) and having full J and F cabins.
Things are going to get very interesting over the next few weeks as a few of EK's pre-Covid core markets begin to open up to greater international travel. India, Australia, and Singapore are a couple of the major players opening up.
The total of 30 787s in there look very marginal now as they are so far behind in production. They were supposed to come in May 2023. But it’s not going to happen, how can they deliver? Look at the huge backlog, they haven’t produced any aircraft lately, that’ll take them two or three years to go over that.
Honestly, if it goes beyond 2023 and it goes on for another year, we probably cancel the program. What else can we do? We can’t continue the way we are. Boeing really needs to get their act together and get this aircraft sorted.
LHAM wrote:If EK actually cancels the 777X order it would be the final nail in the coffin for the business case of this expensive derivative.
Scotron12 wrote:EKs Tim Clark threatens to cancel B777X orders if not certified by July 2023.
https://www.airlineratings.com/news/emi ... -of-777-9/
ben7x wrote:Someone is running out of money I guess…
frigatebird wrote:Scotron12 wrote:EKs Tim Clark threatens to cancel B777X orders if not certified by July 2023.
https://www.airlineratings.com/news/emi ... -of-777-9/
I've read the article, and it seems you are incorrect with this statement. From the article:
... (Tim Clark) asked them (Boeing): ‘Are you on track for certification in July 2023?’, and their response is ‘Yes, conditional’.
That’s not going to alleviate your concerns…
Honestly, if it goes beyond 2023 and it goes on for another year, we probably cancel the program.... (end quote).
So my interpretation is that Boeing is aiming at mid-2023 certification, cannot guarantee this, but Clark cannot accept it when it's not certified before 2024 and if there are no guarantees it will be certified within a few months into 2024.
About the A350, apparently Clark is siding with Al-Baker. This should be worrying for Airbus. Even if they win the court case from QR, they have EK to worry about. And maybe other airlines want a root cause analysis and solution too.
Anyway, I believe EK will keep both Boeing and Airbus orders. But he warns them to get their act together, and quickly. IMO a far bigger challenge for Boeing though.
JerseyFlyer wrote:The interesting news for me is the possible life extension for 80 of their A380s to 25,000 or 30,000 cycles.
This is a change from the 12 or so years' tenure for airframes at EK that we have been used to seeing. Makes me wonder if they might pick up redundant A380s from the likes of AF or LH should they actually cancel 779s.