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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:01 am

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One thing that I don't understand; why didn't they develop a freighter already, given that various 787 testbeds have been scrapped? Case in point, 787 LN5 (registered N787FT) was scrapped in 2018. Why not use it to certify a freighter? Could an already built aircraft not have the main deck cargo door retrofitted and then be used for certification (as well as certifying the BCF conversion simultaneously)?

https://twitter.com/royalscottking/stat ... 1507766273

https://www.airliners.net/photos/airlin ... 956637.jpg


The early built 788's (terrible teens !) have to much differences from the current production aircraft and for that reason are difficult to be be used as a pilot for a future 788BCF/F aircraft.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:12 am

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Additional info about N54VP, the second to last built 747 classic (from my old MP operations manual)

L/N 878, C/N 25266, GE CF6-50E2 powered, ordered by Air France (NTU), delivered new to Martinair at 11 Oct 1991 as PH-MCN


So interesting, thank you. Am I correct that the last classic was L/N 886, currently EP-FAB for Fars Air but doesn’t look to be operating currently. Rare machines.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:13 am

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texl1649 wrote:
It sounds like, from the FG article anyway, Boeing is resigned to moving to a 787 freighter after 2027.

https://twitter.com/flightglobal/status ... qBBD9H8Wyw

“Are we looking at different freighter platforms in that space? Absolutely,” Hermesmeyer says.

He calls a 787 freighter “a natural place for us to look”.

“For now, Six-Sevens will be delivered through the end of 2027, and we will make sure that we have the right airplanes in the right space for the market,” Hermesmeyer adds.


It will be interesting to see the timing, and possible launch customers/orders for a 787F, imho.


One thing that I don't understand; why didn't they develop a freighter already, given that various 787 testbeds have been scrapped? Case in point, 787 LN5 (registered N787FT) was scrapped in 2018. Why not use it to certify a freighter? Could an already built aircraft not have the main deck cargo door retrofitted and then be used for certification (as well as certifying the BCF conversion simultaneously)?

https://twitter.com/royalscottking/stat ... 1507766273

https://www.airliners.net/photos/airlin ... 956637.jpg


The early builds (including the ‘terrible teens’) that were so abnormal/heavy/reworked probably would have provided a poor basis for certification testing (not just in fact but also in terms of paperwork). Boeing also hasn’t exactly had excess resources to throw at a ‘well, it can be done’ type of project over the past 10 years.

I don’t think it will be a really complex conversion (meaning, likely no extra strengtheners etc. as in an aluminum frame, existing floor beams, and the wiring etc. is already going around where the door will), but from a regulatory perspective they will/would certainly want a clean, new build process/frame to start with. A later “BCF” conversion offering would be surprising as I’d expect the 787’s to wind up having a very long service life as pax models in service, and they’re only now starting to work on building the ‘HGW’ versions.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:54 pm

A loss in the worldwide cargo fleet to report today.

Antonov AN-30 with curious registration "30001" ran out of fuel on a cargo flight 70 km from its destination airport. Forced landing resulted in no fatalities but the 44 year old airframe is toast. Cargo was reported at 6.3 tons. https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20220622-0
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:30 pm

N835US is scheduled for delivery today to USAJET
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:11 am

Quick check on Western Global fleet utilisation:

747s:
N258SN: Flying TPAC. Has had a 6 day stay at SHV in May, and 7 days in Jun.
N344KD: Flying. Usually TPAC but currently on CMB duties between Mildenhall and RMS,
N356KD: Flying TPAC civilian with a bit of military thrown in. Spent 11 days sitting at ANC earlier this month but otherwise keeping its nose clean.
N452SN: Flying TPAC out of ORD mainly.

4/4 jumbos, not bad.

MD11s:

N411SN: At SHV since OCT21.
N412SN: Flying TPAC
N415JN: Flying TPAC, although been in ANC for a couple days
N435KD: Not flying. One of those lost at SHV I think.
N512JN: Flying TPAC.
N513SN: Flying TPAC
N542KD: Heavy MX at TPE since 04/14
N543JN: Flying TPAC
N545JN: At TPE since 06/09 / MX?
N546JN: At SHV since DEC21 - eek.
N581JN: At SHV since 03/27 - as above.
N630SN: Parked. Unknown status.
N781SN: Flying TPAC
N783SN: At ICN since 06/15 - broken?
N784SN: Delivered from FRA to SHV on 04/20 - not flown since.
N799JN: Flying TPAC.
N804SN: Flying, did it's first TPAC run and now at HSV last couple days.

So not bad I guess. 8 active, a couple in MX, a couple broken, and a couple unknown.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Sat Jun 25, 2022 1:23 am

N269CM CAM B763, ex N898CU, is enroute ILN-SNN, then TLV for BDSF conv. cheers!
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Sat Jun 25, 2022 1:43 am

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Well, I've been pretty busy with work and haven't done one of these large DHN updates in a long time, but with major help from eightcone, was able to update my list and compile an update:

Recently completed and delivered:

N834US, MD-88F, USA Jet, was at DHN from 5/30 - 6/4 for maintenance after a diversion to DHN en route from GSP-LRD

HL8355, B737-800F, Air Incheon Cargo (South Korea), formerly EI-GWX, was at DHN from 2/21 - 6/4 after about 5 months at MIA

C-GGWF, B737-400, OWG (Canada), was at DHN from 5/24 - 6/13 for paint and preparation for service for OWG

N304AV, A320, Ultra Air (Colombia), was at DHN from 5/4 - 6/11 for preparation for service for Ultra Air (arrived in new livery from TUS)


Incomplete or awaiting delivery (conversions with initial work done in Miami noted with *):

N237GE, B737-800, former Sriwijaya, due ?, arrived at DHN on 6/12 (yesterday), status unknown

N831US, MD-83F, USA Jet, arrived at DHN on 5/27, possibly for paint into new livery or maintenance, in MD hall

N570MQ*, B737-800, former Aerolineas Argentina, due ?, arrived at DHN on 4/27, cargo door complete

N681BR, CRJ-200, former Delta Connection, due Aeronaves TSM (Mexico), arrived at DHN on 4/22, possibly in conversion in MD hall (either this frame or N836US)

EI-GWP*, B737-800, former SunExpress, due Compass Air Cargo (Bulgaria), arrived at DHN on 3/14, painted and under maintenance currently

N37FF, B737-400, all white w/ GR8 tail, due Aeronaves TSM (Mexico), arrived at DHN on 2/14, in classic conversion hall

LZ-MRX, B737-800, former Sriwijaya, due ?, arrived at DHN on 1/15, in 737 conversion hall

EI-FLM*, B737-800, former Neos, due Kenya Airways Cargo, arrived at DHN on 12/22/21 for paint, stored on ramp and conversion/paint completed

N683BR, CRJ-200, former Delta Connection, due Aeronaves TSM (Mexico), arrived at DHN on 12/16/21, door complete and awaiting paint

2-EZRA, B737-800, former NokAir, due ?, arrived at DHN on 11/19/21, in storage on ramp, conversion has not begun

N23FF, B737-400, former GetJet, due Aeronaves TSM, arrived at DHN on 10/11/21, in classic conversion hall

2-GATE, B737-800, former Thai Summer, due ?, arrived at DHN on 10/9/21, in 737 conversion hall

N245GE, B737-800, former Anadolu Jet, due ?, arrived at DHN on 8/14/21, in storage on ramp, conversion has not begun

N290BR, B737-800, former Ukraine International, due West Atlantic (Sweden), arrived at DHN on 7/1/21, recently finished conversion and painted into West Atlantic colors

N539RL, B737-800, former Regent Airways w/o winglets, due ?, arrived at DHN 6/12/21, in 737 conversion hall

N837US, MD-88, former Delta N976DL, due USA Jet, arrived at DHN 4/21/21, in storage outside of MD hall

N836US, MD-88, former Delta N971DL, due USA Jet, arrived at DHN 4/20/21, possibly in conversion in MD hall (either this frame or N681BR)

N835US, MD-88, former Delta N969DL, due USA Jet, arrived at DHN 3/30/21, conversion complete and paint complete


Update to this list: N835US, the longest resident at DHN, after arriving in March 2021, left DHN this morning for delivery to USAJet.

Aeronaves brought another 737-400 over to DHN this afternoon. Newest arrival is N923NZ, msn 28723 and 25.2 years old. Most recently flew for Electra Airways in Bulgaria until 2019. Aeronaves typically takes a conversion home with them on their trips to Dothan, so there's a good chance N683BR heads out tomorrow.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:55 am

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A loss in the worldwide cargo fleet to report today.

Antonov AN-30 with curious registration "30001" ran out of fuel on a cargo flight 70 km from its destination airport. Forced landing resulted in no fatalities but the 44 year old airframe is toast. Cargo was reported at 6.3 tons. https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20220622-0

Something's fishy with this plane.
An-30 is an observation-optimized derivative of An-24/An-26 series. Sensor, optics, all that. Think "Open Skies" sort of platform.
This one is hauling cargo, and is apparently on Russian registration as "experimental".

Might have something to do with OEM not approving (conversion to cargo, or maintenance regimen, or something else) but that's speculation.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:21 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
A loss in the worldwide cargo fleet to report today.

Antonov AN-30 with curious registration "30001" ran out of fuel on a cargo flight 70 km from its destination airport. Forced landing resulted in no fatalities but the 44 year old airframe is toast. Cargo was reported at 6.3 tons. https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20220622-0

Something's fishy with this plane.
An-30 is an observation-optimized derivative of An-24/An-26 series. Sensor, optics, all that. Think "Open Skies" sort of platform.
This one is hauling cargo, and is apparently on Russian registration as "experimental".

Might have something to do with OEM not approving (conversion to cargo, or maintenance regimen, or something else) but that's speculation.


Yes something is definitely amiss with that one, but it's not the first time we've seen accidents with AN-30s hauling people or cargo. With sanctions starting to bite the aircraft choice may be more of an "any port in a storm" situation. Or it may be FSB/quasi-military cargo in nature, who knows.

In other news, an 1968-vintage Fokker F-27 flying cargo skidded down the runway at Juba on its belly after a botched takeoff attempt with undercarriage retracted. Will be out of service at least for the medium term if not permanently. https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20220624-1
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:41 pm

N269CM CAM B763 routed SNN-TLV today, arriving for BDSF conversion. cheers!
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:43 am

Something interesting is happening at ILD, Lleida Airport in Catalonia, Spain. Some will recall that N27063 for ROMCargo (to be registered YR-FSB) positioned there after 9 months MX in CGK back in May, and hasn't moved since. And yesterday, the Sky KG, ex-Wamos 744 EX-47003 having not operated as a preighter since late 2021 also ferried FRU-ILD on 06/26.

I know nothing about the airfield, but it looks new, with very few RPT services, so if perhaps offering cheap parking rates unless they have a MRO working there.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:54 am

DLNZ wrote:
Something interesting is happening at ILD, Lleida Airport in Catalonia, Spain. Some will recall that N27063 for ROMCargo (to be registered YR-FSB) positioned there after 9 months MX in CGK back in May, and hasn't moved since. And yesterday, the Sky KG, ex-Wamos 744 EX-47003 having not operated as a preighter since late 2021 also ferried FRU-ILD on 06/26.

I know nothing about the airfield, but it looks new, with very few RPT services, so if perhaps offering cheap parking rates unless they have a MRO working there.


or part out for the sky kg aircraft
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:24 am

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DLNZ wrote:
Something interesting is happening at ILD, Lleida Airport in Catalonia, Spain. Some will recall that N27063 for ROMCargo (to be registered YR-FSB) positioned there after 9 months MX in CGK back in May, and hasn't moved since. And yesterday, the Sky KG, ex-Wamos 744 EX-47003 having not operated as a preighter since late 2021 also ferried FRU-ILD on 06/26.

I know nothing about the airfield, but it looks new, with very few RPT services, so if perhaps offering cheap parking rates unless they have a MRO working there.


or part out for the sky kg aircraft


Yes it may well be, I wondered if bits from the Sky KG machine may be needed for N27063 even after the latter spent nearly 9 months in Jakarta after her reawakening from the desert. Let's hope one if not both get back into service soon.

The ROMCargo sistership, YR-FSA is busy, operating mainly between HKG & LGG via FRU with barely a break in recent months.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:10 pm

Cargojet acquired 777-300ER A6-ETA on Thursday (now N772AJ).
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:24 pm

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Cargojet acquired 777-300ER A6-ETA on Thursday (now N772AJ).


Will this aircraft be leased from Altavair AirFinance or has Cargojet purchased N772AJ to become the conformity aircraft for the Mammoth 777-300ERMF program ?
 
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Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:18 pm

Duplicated below
Last edited by MO11 on Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:18 pm

747classic wrote:
MO11 wrote:
Cargojet acquired 777-300ER A6-ETA on Thursday (now N772AJ).


Will this aircraft be leased from Altavair AirFinance or has Cargojet purchased N772AJ to become the conformity aircraft for the Mammoth 777-300ERMF program ?


CargoJet has purchased it. Per its last quarterly report: Cargojet has signed agreements for the purchase and conversion of four B777-300 aircraft with expected delivery dates of Q3 2024, Q3 2024, Q2 2025 and Q1 2026.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:12 pm

MO11 wrote:
747classic wrote:
MO11 wrote:
Cargojet acquired 777-300ER A6-ETA on Thursday (now N772AJ).


Will this aircraft be leased from Altavair AirFinance or has Cargojet purchased N772AJ to become the conformity aircraft for the Mammoth 777-300ERMF program ?


CargoJet has purchased it. Per its last quarterly report: Cargojet has signed agreements for the purchase and conversion of four B777-300 aircraft with expected delivery dates of Q3 2024, Q3 2024, Q2 2025 and Q1 2026.


Thx, I will add this info to the Mammoth Freighter thread , see : viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1464623&p=23362603#p23362603
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:27 pm

Interesting development from DHN freighter conversion land. EI-FLM, which has been painted in a Kenya livery and sitting completed for months, was stripped out of its livery and is currently all white, and is now back on the ramp again.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:35 am

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Interesting development from DHN freighter conversion land. EI-FLM, which has been painted in a Kenya livery and sitting completed for months, was stripped out of its livery and is currently all white, and is now back on the ramp again.


This is the second time that we've seen this now in the last few months, as the same thing happened with N858AM, which was painted into Compass Air Cargo livery for months and was ultimately repainted and delivered to West Atlantic as SE-RLJ. Something was certainly up, given how long it had been sitting there in full Kenya Airways Cargo colors. I guess we'll see who it's going to shortly.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:37 am

Lufthansa added another ex Emirates B777F.
Ex Emirates A6-EFG (delivered March 01th 2012), first scheduled to be transferred to AirBridge Cargo (VQ-BAB), was purchased by LH from DAE Capital and will be operated by Aerologic with registration D-AALU

The aircraft was ferried to Leipzig (LEJ) June 27th 2022, she will join the Aerologic fleet by early August.
See : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/A6E ... /OMDB/EDDP
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:29 pm

Looks like Boeing is likely to enter the 777-300ER conversion fun. https://theaircurrent.com/aircraft-deve ... g-777-bcf/

Apparently, Boeing sees this as a way to boost the 777X and 787.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:11 pm

Embraer has found a taker for its freighter conversion of EMB 190/195s. Undisclosed customer for 10 units.

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/embra ... onversions
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:17 am

Looks like UPS (N608UP) is on its way delivering Baby Formula from Australia (Sydney) to the US (Philadelphia) via Honolulu…

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2022/ ... ralia-ups/

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS1500 (SDF-HNL)

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS1501 (HNL-SYD)

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS1502 (SYD-HNL)

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS1503 (HNL-PHL)
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:31 am

Astral has signed a letter of intent for two 773ERF's and the the two A320F's should be delivered.
 
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Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:54 am

jbs2886 wrote:
Looks like Boeing is likely to enter the 777-300ER conversion fun. https://theaircurrent.com/aircraft-deve ... g-777-bcf/

Apparently, Boeing sees this as a way to boost the 777X and 787.


Was at JFK today. Saw a heavily ladened Kalitta 747-400F go blasting down the active. I was also reminded of Air France's 777-200ER fleet which was there in certain numbers. I'd love to see Boeing unlock the -200ER code for a -200ER P2F program. So many fantastic birds out there that are great candidates.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Wed Jul 06, 2022 4:19 am

N54VP - B747-228F flew Sharjah to Bangkok on 20/6/2022.
First flight in 8 years
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Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:48 am

Already reported upthread with lots of info and pic.
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:49 pm

And then there were 8.

FedEx retired N319FE at the end of June, curiously it looks to have had a heavy check only a year ago. 102,655 hours and 31222 cycles as of May of 2021, according to the last SDR
 
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Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:04 pm

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And then there were 8.

FedEx retired N319FE at the end of June, curiously it looks to have had a heavy check only a year ago. 102,655 hours and 31222 cycles as of May of 2021, according to the last SDR

Supposed to be back for peak I think, but then gone.
 
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Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:13 am

Hongyuan Group 747-87UF OE-LFC, operated by Air Belgium, stored at Brussels National (Zaventem) (BRU / EBBR) since 5 Feb 2022, was activated and performed some (test) flights at 7July and 8 July towards LUX and LGG, see : https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/oe-lfc

OE-LFC, LUX, 8 July 2022
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Original uploaded by Karlheinz FRIEDRICH at flickr, see : https://www.flickr.com/photos/125208001 ... 203702833/
 
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Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:45 pm

That should become a busy 748 freighter along with its sister 748. Thanks 747Classic.

Has anyone read the article from Cargo Facts entitled "IAI expects continued 747-400 conversions" back in March 2022? Behind a paywall but I am curious how likely IAI is to restart 744 conversions and with what partner.
 
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Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:49 pm

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That should become a busy 748 freighter along with its sister 748. Thanks 747Classic.

Has anyone read the article from Cargo Facts entitled "IAI expects continued 747-400 conversions" back in March 2022? Behind a paywall but I am curious how likely IAI is to restart 744 conversions and with what partner.


Perhaps that’s who the Indians are partnering with?

Also on cargofacts we had some rumblings with the amount of conversion backlog that there may be a air freighter bubble setting up.
 
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Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:03 am

Spacepope wrote:
aristoenigma wrote:
That should become a busy 748 freighter along with its sister 748. Thanks 747Classic.

Has anyone read the article from Cargo Facts entitled "IAI expects continued 747-400 conversions" back in March 2022? Behind a paywall but I am curious how likely IAI is to restart 744 conversions and with what partner.


Perhaps that’s who the Indians are partnering with?

Also on cargofacts we had some rumblings with the amount of conversion backlog that there may be a air freighter bubble setting up.


I'm all for being wrong on this one but the Indians are partnering with IAI for a 747P2F??? Pretty sure everyone here knows I love the Whale but would IAI fight against it's own 777P2F? Personally, if this gets a whole bunch of 747-400s a "Leviathan Rise" call, I am all for it.
 
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Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:44 am

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N54VP - B747-228F flew Sharjah to Bangkok on 20/6/2022.
First flight in 8 years
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Anyone know what’s going to happen to this bird?
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:48 am

First off, greetings to my friends. I have been following the thread but unable to respond due to work constraints. Back in the Saddle here though again now!

I didn't see it reported upthread but Maersk has snuck into the fray and been able to pick up 3 brand spanking new 767-300Fs. They were originally destined for elsewhere but will now find a home with the Denmark carrier.

For the 767-300F, I hope one of three things occur.

1- Boeing gets approval to keep right on churning out 767-300Fs past 2027. Overall, it is everyone's swiss army knife in the freight world. It works, don't mess with it.

2- Boeing makes improvements to the 767-300F, allowing it to continue on past 2027 but with some new hip offerings.

3- Boeing gets told ixneigh on the 67 eh and then gives the world a 787F.

On the turbo prop front, the Sky Courier should be getting some good use soon. It will be nice to see how the company that only makes things that can fly and take a beating did on its latest offering. I believe the future is bright for the Sky Courier, with both civilian and military applications available.

Also in the land of turb props, General Atomics, (A company whose products guys of my mindset duck, weave and kineive to stay away from) is now in the commercial/military MANNED fixed wing sector. It purchased the Dornier 228 program in the last year and recently announced that production will resume in Germany, with new aircraft rolling off the line in 2024.

Personally, choosing between a GA 228 or Cessna Sky Courier would be a blast!!!! Sign me up for the grueling face to face flyoff!!!

Enough about what is to come. For those that have been there and done that, Geo Sky continues to impress. Their 747-200F fleet has continued to plug away (Lord I pray they find RR engine support in the next 36 months). 4L-GEO has been operating on a Georgia-Kazakhstan-China-Kazakhstan-Georgia-Netherlands/Paris routing. This has occurred as long time sister ship, 4L-GEN undergoes routine maintenance at CGK with the MRO shop GMF. 4L-GEN has been at the spa since early June.

While the economy may be cooling, longer flights (Thanks Russia!!!) and supply chain bottlenecks will in my opinion continue to keep freight dogs well paid and working at 0330.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:01 am

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N54VP - B747-228F flew Sharjah to Bangkok on 20/6/2022.
First flight in 8 years
Ex Martinair


Anyone know what’s going to happen to this bird?


Seems to have been given the command, "Leviathan Rise" and headed Eastward to CGK. The MRO facility at CGK, GMF maintains a pretty sizable fleet of 747s in the 200/300/400 offerings. It could very well be, that N54VP is getting a heavy check and will be gracing the skies again. 54VP also, could have trekked Eastward to be harvested for parts that GMF needs.

I find the harvesting a little harder to understand. Parts for 747s are not difficult to come by. Firing up a 747-200F that has sat for 8 years is not cheap. All of that to take parts would be easier to accomplish in place. Only time will tell.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:04 pm

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That should become a busy 748 freighter along with its sister 748. Thanks 747Classic.

Has anyone read the article from Cargo Facts entitled "IAI expects continued 747-400 conversions" back in March 2022? Behind a paywall but I am curious how likely IAI is to restart 744 conversions and with what partner.


Perhaps that’s who the Indians are partnering with?

Also on cargofacts we had some rumblings with the amount of conversion backlog that there may be a air freighter bubble setting up.


I'm all for being wrong on this one but the Indians are partnering with IAI for a 747P2F??? Pretty sure everyone here knows I love the Whale but would IAI fight against it's own 777P2F? Personally, if this gets a whole bunch of 747-400s a "Leviathan Rise" call, I am all for it.


Agree with you on this one. I doubt that HAL and IAI are gonna be successful if all they're converting is the 4 ex-AI 744s. But they did cite in 2 articles (1 from Mar 2022, one from 2018) that they have gotten more requests for reopening the 747P2F line, so maybe it could be justified.
https://cargofacts.com/allposts/convers ... ies%20(IAI)%20is,teaming%20up%20with%20a%20partner.
https://www.aviationpros.com/aircraft/c ... on-program

Besides, there's no shortage of feedstock because of all the 744s that were retired by major airlines in 2020 and 2021. One hope of mine is that some of th ex-DL 747s get a second chance, though it seems a lot of those are already gutted and scrapped. :(

But still, I can't see why they can't continue ramping up the 777P2F. Not enough feedstock?
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Mon Jul 11, 2022 1:33 am

Boeing757100 wrote:
CX747 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:

Perhaps that’s who the Indians are partnering with?

Also on cargofacts we had some rumblings with the amount of conversion backlog that there may be a air freighter bubble setting up.


I'm all for being wrong on this one but the Indians are partnering with IAI for a 747P2F??? Pretty sure everyone here knows I love the Whale but would IAI fight against it's own 777P2F? Personally, if this gets a whole bunch of 747-400s a "Leviathan Rise" call, I am all for it.


Agree with you on this one. I doubt that HAL and IAI are gonna be successful if all they're converting is the 4 ex-AI 744s. But they did cite in 2 articles (1 from Mar 2022, one from 2018) that they have gotten more requests for reopening the 747P2F line, so maybe it could be justified.
https://cargofacts.com/allposts/convers ... ies%20(IAI)%20is,teaming%20up%20with%20a%20partner.
https://www.aviationpros.com/aircraft/c ... on-program

Besides, there's no shortage of feedstock because of all the 744s that were retired by major airlines in 2020 and 2021. One hope of mine is that some of th ex-DL 747s get a second chance, though it seems a lot of those are already gutted and scrapped. :(

But still, I can't see why they can't continue ramping up the 777P2F. Not enough feedstock?


These things take time to ramp up. Having IAI linked in two very recent articles to a new 747P2F line does add some spice to the news. Buying a 747-400 is not cheap but it is cheap in comparison to a 777-300ER. That right there could be a very compelling factor. An operator can save millions in costs in converting a 747 over a 777. That can also allow the operator to own the aircraft outright....Fly when needed and park it in Arizona for the months not needed. Like a paid off pickup truck that doesn't owe you anything.

Speaking of 747s, the 2 747-200Fs of Aerostan have been busy. EX-47001 is back and forth between Bishkek and Xinjiang. EX-47002 recently trekked through Africa, to Salvador and onward to Brazil. Then back to Bishkek via Nigeria.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:20 am

N206CM CAM B763, ex ACRouge C-GHLK, relocated from MZJ to ILN today. cheers!
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:50 am

Honestly, I think the 742 will be headed to Aerostan or someone knows and has crews already qualified for 742F. In regards to the 767 freighter, I think this is an excellent opportunity to re-engine the airframe using engines from the 787 which someone can correct me, are compliant after 2027. Why design a 787 freighter platform when you can re-engine the 767 with the 787 engines? Someone correct me, but all it would take would be a redesign of the engine pylons and I think you'll be good to go.

I was watching some YouTube videos of plane spotting by Captain Mark at TPA, noticed some ex SAS 321-200's powered by IAE. Are the freighter conversions waiting to be converted?
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:59 pm

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Honestly, I think the 742 will be headed to Aerostan or someone knows and has crews already qualified for 742F. In regards to the 767 freighter, I think this is an excellent opportunity to re-engine the airframe using engines from the 787 which someone can correct me, are compliant after 2027. Why design a 787 freighter platform when you can re-engine the 767 with the 787 engines? Someone correct me, but all it would take would be a redesign of the engine pylons and I think you'll be good to go.

I was watching some YouTube videos of plane spotting by Captain Mark at TPA, noticed some ex SAS 321-200's powered by IAE. Are the freighter conversions waiting to be converted?


I think you'd need to certify that existing 767 to be able to be re-engined with a GEnx-like engine. Would any fuel systems have to be changed or not?
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Mon Jul 11, 2022 1:31 pm

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But still, I can't see why they can't continue ramping up the 777P2F. Not enough feedstock?


These things take time to ramp up. Having IAI linked in two very recent articles to a new 747P2F line does add some spice to the news. Buying a 747-400 is not cheap but it is cheap in comparison to a 777-300ER. That right there could be a very compelling factor. An operator can save millions in costs in converting a 747 over a 777. That can also allow the operator to own the aircraft outright....Fly when needed and park it in Arizona for the months not needed. Like a paid off pickup truck that doesn't owe you anything.

Speaking of 747s, the 2 747-200Fs of Aerostan have been busy. EX-47001 is back and forth between Bishkek and Xinjiang. EX-47002 recently trekked through Africa, to Salvador and onward to Brazil. Then back to Bishkek via Nigeria.


Honestly it's very hard to say, and we all know what happens as we try to read the tea leaves left from investors and MBAs.

The Hindustan pitch has legs just because IAI or Boeing cound see that as a way to monetize their old conversion program and eek a few more dollars out of it. The downside is they still really haven't solved the Pratt or GE competition with the 767 fleet for green time engines. Rollers on the other hand...

IAI is full up on 737 and 767 conversions, and with rolling out new conversion lines and the painfully silent 77W conversion (like, ANY news on this guys?) so they likely have zero interest in doing the 747 conversions, no matter how theoretical, themselves. But if a partner wants to roll out another half dozen and pay royalties? Knock yourself out.

My productivity is being curtailed by supply chain issues STILL. Talking with industry people, I expect at least another year of this, and air freight will still play a big part in sorting stuff all out. I'm not as doom-and-gloom as our friend WJC, we're still not in the Nixon era of price/wage controls or the "WIN" (Whip Inflation Now) program of Ford. But world events are keeping things very dynamic and the loss of overflight rights over the former Soviet Union, energy worries (as Texas goes into a power crunch again today), China zero covid whack-a-mole, and the loss of the Aeroflot/VDA/ freight capacity trans Asia (will those frames ever fly again) just adds to the uncertainty.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Mon Jul 11, 2022 1:32 pm

A 767F successor or a future re-engined 763F or 764F has been discussed into detail already many times at A-net, see : viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1469805
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:48 am

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CX747 wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:

But still, I can't see why they can't continue ramping up the 777P2F. Not enough feedstock?


These things take time to ramp up. Having IAI linked in two very recent articles to a new 747P2F line does add some spice to the news. Buying a 747-400 is not cheap but it is cheap in comparison to a 777-300ER. That right there could be a very compelling factor. An operator can save millions in costs in converting a 747 over a 777. That can also allow the operator to own the aircraft outright....Fly when needed and park it in Arizona for the months not needed. Like a paid off pickup truck that doesn't owe you anything.

Speaking of 747s, the 2 747-200Fs of Aerostan have been busy. EX-47001 is back and forth between Bishkek and Xinjiang. EX-47002 recently trekked through Africa, to Salvador and onward to Brazil. Then back to Bishkek via Nigeria.


Honestly it's very hard to say, and we all know what happens as we try to read the tea leaves left from investors and MBAs.

The Hindustan pitch has legs just because IAI or Boeing cound see that as a way to monetize their old conversion program and eek a few more dollars out of it. The downside is they still really haven't solved the Pratt or GE competition with the 767 fleet for green time engines. Rollers on the other hand...

IAI is full up on 737 and 767 conversions, and with rolling out new conversion lines and the painfully silent 77W conversion (like, ANY news on this guys?) so they likely have zero interest in doing the 747 conversions, no matter how theoretical, themselves. But if a partner wants to roll out another half dozen and pay royalties? Knock yourself out.

My productivity is being curtailed by supply chain issues STILL. Talking with industry people, I expect at least another year of this, and air freight will still play a big part in sorting stuff all out. I'm not as doom-and-gloom as our friend WJC, we're still not in the Nixon era of price/wage controls or the "WIN" (Whip Inflation Now) program of Ford. But world events are keeping things very dynamic and the loss of overflight rights over the former Soviet Union, energy worries (as Texas goes into a power crunch again today), China zero covid whack-a-mole, and the loss of the Aeroflot/VDA/ freight capacity trans Asia (will those frames ever fly again) just adds to the uncertainty.


The IAI 777P2F is very quiet but I don't take that as a bad thing. I just figure they are working, have orders and know what to do. Kinda like the adage of "Underpromise and Over Deliver". I agree though that if India has the $$$, then IAI would more than likely let them roll. It is a shame BA's 747s have already been broken up. All the G-BYGX frames would have been good to pick up.

I heard the Russians were attempting to get grounded 747s back in the air via joint ventures out of the UAE. I don't see that as a real possibility. For old time's sake just work out a return where all the Russian 747s fly to an airfield in old East Germany territory and earn $$$ for humanitarian procurement.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:52 pm

N531UA B752F left ILN today to HGR, the last of 4x B752F's purchased by Astral. cheers.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:00 pm

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N531UA B752F left ILN today to HGR, the last of 4x B752F's purchased by Astral. cheers.


Thanks, Stretch8! Looks like one is in Nairobi, but the rest still seem to be stateside. Slow progress, but progress!

Word was these were gonna be scrapped -- everybody was SURE of it -- so it's nice to see them getting buffed up and sent to Astral. They're a big upgrade to Astral's fleet.

Interesting that CAM didn't want to hold on to them or try to lease them out. Particularly-interesting given that Astral is a CAM customer!! Instead, CAM sold them to someone, who is leasing them to Astral (or Astral has purchased them with some kind of US financing). Could be that there is some kind of financing available to Astral (in a developing nation) that lets them do this less-expensively this way.

I don't know. What I do know is that 4 757 freighters will be flying rather than scrapped!
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 14, 2022 2:57 am

Does anyone have gouge on a potential 777-300 that is owned/operated by Fly Pro? Registration ER-77739 and in a prior life was a proud SIA bird. Fly Pro's (2) 747-200Fs are those not spoken of and it seems a third jet is now with the fleet.
 
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Re: Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:08 am

CX747 wrote:
Does anyone have gouge on a potential 777-300 that is owned/operated by Fly Pro? Registration ER-77739 and in a prior life was a proud SIA bird. Fly Pro's (2) 747-200Fs are those not spoken of and it seems a third jet is now with the fleet.


The aircraft is listed on Planespotters.net as registered already since February 2022.

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