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CX747 wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/business-59824408
Hard to watch the death of Cathay and HK play out. Parked 747Fs, while the rest of Sutter's Creations carry the world on their shoulders.
Happy New Year to Everyone. I look forward to a great 2022 and what it shall bring to our wonderful conversation.
zkojq wrote:- Four Western Global Airlines aircraft being simultaneously unserviceable at ANC at some point during the year.
TUGMASTER wrote:Great people, great discussion, great thread.
Wish all of A.net were as civil…..
As for CX being made to ground 747Fs….we’ll that shows you the complete lunatics running the asylum.
wjcandee wrote:zkojq wrote:- Four Western Global Airlines aircraft being simultaneously unserviceable at ANC at some point during the year.
O M G!!
Made my day.
A lovely, thoughtful, insightful post.
May your wishes be fulfilled, and the most-positive of your predictions come true! HAPPY NEW YEAR, our friend!
Spacepope wrote:Recent upload of triholer cargo action at SJU. Come for the IFL 722 rockets, stay for the Western Global FrankenMaddog. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cvPL8cPRcn8
Spacepope wrote:Recent upload of triholer cargo action at SJU. Come for the IFL 722 rockets, stay for the Western Global FrankenMaddog. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cvPL8cPRcn8
Cardude2 wrote:Someone that’s not mammoth will open a cargo (door) conversion line for some version of 777-200
Cardude2 wrote:A prediction of mine:
FedEx or UPS will make retirement orders for their MD-11’s
FedEx or UPS Will place an order for the A350F
Qatar will make a decision for 777xf or finish lawsuit and order A350F
Someone that’s not mammoth will open a cargo (door) conversion line for some version of 777-200
ChingwangLee wrote:Cardude2 wrote:A prediction of mine:
FedEx or UPS will make retirement orders for their MD-11’s
FedEx or UPS Will place an order for the A350F
Qatar will make a decision for 777xf or finish lawsuit and order A350F
Someone that’s not mammoth will open a cargo (door) conversion line for some version of 777-200
With the addition of new member N649FE( And there may be N647FE or even 646 648 that may be added in the future ). I believe FX will continue to use MD-11 for 5-10 years.
747classic wrote:ChingwangLee wrote:Cardude2 wrote:A prediction of mine:
FedEx or UPS will make retirement orders for their MD-11’s
FedEx or UPS Will place an order for the A350F
Qatar will make a decision for 777xf or finish lawsuit and order A350F
Someone that’s not mammoth will open a cargo (door) conversion line for some version of 777-200
With the addition of new member N649FE( And there may be N647FE or even 646 648 that may be added in the future ). I believe FX will continue to use MD-11 for 5-10 years.
The same is valid for UPS : five (5) ex LH MD11F's (N261UP - 265UP) added in 2020 and 2021.
Cardude2 wrote:A prediction of mine:
FedEx or UPS will make retirement orders for their MD-11’s
FedEx or UPS Will place an order for the A350F
Qatar will make a decision for 777xf or finish lawsuit and order A350F
Someone that’s not mammoth will open a cargo (door) conversion line for some version of 777-200
airsmiles wrote:Spacepope wrote:Recent upload of triholer cargo action at SJU. Come for the IFL 722 rockets, stay for the Western Global FrankenMaddog. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cvPL8cPRcn8
Those 727’s really blasted off the deck! Brings back a lot of memories. Thanks.
MO11 wrote:The US FedEx feeders took delivery of the first three ATR 72-600s last year (Empire in May, IFL in August and September). I wonder why they haven't entered service yet? I see the Empire aircraft made a test flight last Wednesday; first flight I've seen with Empire.
ChingwangLee wrote:747classic wrote:ChingwangLee wrote:
With the addition of new member N649FE( And there may be N647FE or even 646 648 that may be added in the future ). I believe FX will continue to use MD-11 for 5-10 years.
The same is valid for UPS : five (5) ex LH MD11F's (N261UP - 265UP) added in 2020 and 2021.
The FedEx APAC HUB in Guangzhou has only 7 E-class gates that can park at 777. If all MD-11 retired. APAC HUB will not have enough gates to park all especially long-range flights.
Cardude2 wrote:ChingwangLee wrote:747classic wrote:
The same is valid for UPS : five (5) ex LH MD11F's (N261UP - 265UP) added in 2020 and 2021.
The FedEx APAC HUB in Guangzhou has only 7 E-class gates that can park at 777. If all MD-11 retired. APAC HUB will not have enough gates to park all especially long-range flights.
what about UPS on gate constraints?
Cardude2 wrote:ChingwangLee wrote:747classic wrote:
The same is valid for UPS : five (5) ex LH MD11F's (N261UP - 265UP) added in 2020 and 2021.
The FedEx APAC HUB in Guangzhou has only 7 E-class gates that can park at 777. If all MD-11 retired. APAC HUB will not have enough gates to park all especially long-range flights.
what about UPS on gate constraints?
Spacepope wrote:Cardude2 wrote:ChingwangLee wrote:The FedEx APAC HUB in Guangzhou has only 7 E-class gates that can park at 777. If all MD-11 retired. APAC HUB will not have enough gates to park all especially long-range flights.
what about UPS on gate constraints?
UPS is using the 767 on transpacific routes now, so if they need to swap out, the replacement should still fit.
TUGMASTER wrote:772F is the obvious MD11F replacement.
Have Boeing set an end date for the 772F yet..??
Or the 77WERBDSF, or whatever it’s called, surely that’s gotta be a contender ..?
TUGMASTER wrote:772F is the obvious MD11F replacement.
Have Boeing set an end date for the 772F yet..??
Or the 77WERBDSF, or whatever it’s called, surely that’s gotta be a contender ..?
747classic wrote:TUGMASTER wrote:772F is the obvious MD11F replacement.
Have Boeing set an end date for the 772F yet..??
Or the 77WERBDSF, or whatever it’s called, surely that’s gotta be a contender ..?
Both the 777F and the P-F converted 777-300ER are wingspan limited (too large wingspan ) for the current MD11F parking positions , as many times mentioned in this thread.
ChingwangLee wrote:Spacepope wrote:Cardude2 wrote:
what about UPS on gate constraints?
UPS is using the 767 on transpacific routes now, so if they need to swap out, the replacement should still fit.
UPS's 763 needs to stop through ICN or NRT/KIX on the Pacific route. Therefore, I don't think the 763F of FX can fly the existing flight FX159/6011/6021/9837 under standard operating conditions without increasing the stoppage. Therefore, the status of MD-11 cannot be replaced by 763F.
Spacepope wrote:ChingwangLee wrote:Spacepope wrote:
UPS is using the 767 on transpacific routes now, so if they need to swap out, the replacement should still fit.
UPS's 763 needs to stop through ICN or NRT/KIX on the Pacific route. Therefore, I don't think the 763F of FX can fly the existing flight FX159/6011/6021/9837 under standard operating conditions without increasing the stoppage. Therefore, the status of MD-11 cannot be replaced by 763F.
Oh for sure it's not a 1 for 1 replacement, but the 763 can be used on these Transpac runs if needed and the destination is gate limited due to wingspan. Just load up the smaller freighter with premium freight.
ChingwangLee wrote:The FedEx APAC HUB in Guangzhou has only 7 E-class gates that can park at 777. If all MD-11 retired. APAC HUB will not have enough gates to park all especially long-range flights.
BHRN wrote:ChingwangLee wrote:The FedEx APAC HUB in Guangzhou has only 7 E-class gates that can park at 777. If all MD-11 retired. APAC HUB will not have enough gates to park all especially long-range flights.
Gates can be re-arranged when justified. Probably takes a few weeks' work.
TUGMASTER wrote:Are SDF & MEM space constrained, with regard to adding extra stands…?
That would be the cheapest way.
747classic wrote:Some backgrond info :
The 757F, 767F, A300-600F, and MD11F are all cat D aircraft (wingspan 36 m but < 52 m)
747-400F, 777F, 777-300ERSF, are cat E aircraft (wingspan 52 m but < 65 m )
Note : A future 767-400ERF/GEnx (with raked wingtips) will have a wingspan of 51,99 m, just below the max limit for Cat D.
IMHO the best replacement for the MD11F (especially for UPS), after 2027 (new regulations).
Newark727 wrote:So here's a question for the experts in here: where is Longtail Aviation actually from? I mean yeah, their planes are registered in Bermuda, but so are everybody's, where do they actually base their airplanes and have their offices?
jbs2886 wrote:Newark727 wrote:So here's a question for the experts in here: where is Longtail Aviation actually from? I mean yeah, their planes are registered in Bermuda, but so are everybody's, where do they actually base their airplanes and have their offices?
I can’t answer re: Longtail, but it is not true that “everybody’s” planes are registered in Bermuda. Some? Yes. Lessors will and Russian airlines come to mind. But it’s hardly the dominant or even really important airplane registration nation.
VCVSpotter wrote:Looks like SoCal will be getting some rare metal tomorrow....
Air Namibia A330-200 D-AAAS filed LDE-SBD 9:30AM - 12:40PM.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/d-aaas
Air Namibia A330-200 D-AAAQ filed LDE-SBD 10AM - 1:12PM.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/d-aaaq
Pretty interesting because there were several rumors claiming that these jets would be converted to freighters.....strange to send them to SBD for anything besides scrapping (although maybe unlikely since these frames are so young???). Just will have to wait and see...