Air Cargo (non Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2022

747classic · Tue Aug 30, 2022 2:01 pm

In the official Boeing news bulletin about the UPS purchase of eight additional 767-300F's, also the introduction of a 767-300BCF in late 2023 is mentioned.
Would that be N396UP, bought in June 2022 from JAL and stored at VCV since July 29th 2022, awaiting P-F conversion ?

See : https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2022-08-29 ... ional-767s

stretch8 · Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:23 pm

N274CM CAM B763, ex ACRouge from storage, scheduled MZJ-ILN today. cheers!

wjcandee · Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:03 pm

stretch8 wrote:
N274CM CAM B763, ex ACRouge from storage, scheduled MZJ-ILN today. cheers!

Thank you! They keep coming!

MO11 · Wed Aug 31, 2022 10:58 pm

N793AX sold yesterday to MP Investments LLC.

wjcandee · Thu Sep 01, 2022 6:53 am

MO11 wrote:
N793AX sold yesterday to MP Investments LLC.

Interesting. It has been at ILN since 8/27/21, having been returned from DHL ME. Former A9C-DHO. I thought they were planning on leasing it out to the likes of Raya or Sky Taxi or MAS. It's line number 114, originally sold to ANA, per planespotters.net. I guess on balance selling it made better sense than leasing it. Thanks for the heads-up!

Spacepope · Thu Sep 01, 2022 3:03 pm

wjcandee wrote:
MO11 wrote:
N793AX sold yesterday to MP Investments LLC.

Interesting. It has been at ILN since 8/27/21, having been returned from DHL ME. Former A9C-DHO. I thought they were planning on leasing it out to the likes of Raya or Sky Taxi or MAS. It's line number 114, originally sold to ANA, per planespotters.net. I guess on balance selling it made better sense than leasing it. Thanks for the heads-up!

I can’t seem to locate any company with that name that has much of any aviation footprint. Would they sell off that -281 to a holding company before parting it out?

MO11 · Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:32 pm

Add to that N752AX, which transferred August 29. Actually both were sold to Aeroacq Partners LLC, which seems to be common with ATSG transactions, and it appears MP Investments provided financing.

And Aeroacq last week appears to have sold N531UA to MST Logisitcs & Support Inc, however Bizzell Corp has fingers in the transaction, so there may be some government in that airplane's future. It ferried to HGR in July. Sierra Nevada rented all of those hangars on the north side of the runway.

ClassicSpotter · Fri Sep 02, 2022 11:14 am

Apparently Skybus DC-8 OB-2059-P has been reregistered as N807DH.

Is there any reason why they would reregister the aircraft from Peru to the USA?

Boeing757100 · Fri Sep 02, 2022 11:33 am

ClassicSpotter wrote:
Apparently Skybus DC-8 OB-2059-P has been reregistered as N807DH.

Is there any reason why they would reregister the aircraft from Peru to the USA?

Hate to say it, but maybe retirement? I hope I am wrong

MCOflyer · Fri Sep 02, 2022 12:47 pm

ClassicSpotter wrote:
Apparently Skybus DC-8 OB-2059-P has been reregistered as N807DH.

Is there any reason why they would reregister the aircraft from Peru to the USA?

It appears two aircraft and their fleet are registered to the USA. One is still registered in Peru.

Spacepope · Fri Sep 02, 2022 1:44 pm

Here’s a close shave. RAX z falcon 20 has a double engine failure at 14000 feet and tries to find a place to deadstick. Looks like everyone made it down in one piece. https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/282317

wjcandee · Fri Sep 02, 2022 4:19 pm

MO11 wrote:
Add to that N752AX, which transferred August 29. Actually both were sold to Aeroacq Partners LLC, which seems to be common with ATSG transactions, and it appears MP Investments provided financing..

Well, the 752AX sale is interesting. ABX retired that frame with about 1100 cycles left before the LOV. I assumed it would be parted out. I suppose a very-low utilization (i.e. military) use could be possible, but at an ABX or Amazon utilization, it had about a year and a half left before hitting the LOV.

747classic · Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:08 pm

wjcandee wrote:
MO11 wrote:
Add to that N752AX, which transferred August 29. Actually both were sold to Aeroacq Partners LLC, which seems to be common with ATSG transactions, and it appears MP Investments provided financing..

Well, the 752AX sale is interesting. ABX retired that frame with about 1100 cycles left before the LOV. I assumed it would be parted out. I suppose a very-low utilization (i.e. military) use could be possible, but at an ABX or Amazon utilization, it had about a year and a half left before hitting the LOV.

AFAIK the extended LOV of the 767-200/300 series is 75.000 cycles (also after P-F conversion), but the maintenance threshold passing 50.000 cylcles is expensive (pressure bulkhead , etc).
The extended LOV for (factory built) 767-300F and 767-400 arcraft is 60.000 cycles.

bennett123 · Fri Sep 02, 2022 5:40 pm

How many cycles does N752AX have?.

ClassicSpotter · Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:43 pm

bennett123 wrote:
How many cycles does N752AX have?.

The last time it had maintenance logged was on 08/30/2020. At the time, N752AX had 65,014 Flight Hours and 48,859 Cycles.

wjcandee · Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:10 pm

To my knowledge, nobody has thought it worthwhile to make the investment to run those things past the initial LOV. If anybody would do it it's ATSG and they in two cases decided not to, running two ships all the way to the LOV and then retiring them.

MO11 · Sat Sep 03, 2022 9:43 pm

Northern Air Cargo acquired the 737-800 formerly known as XA-MIA yesterday.

Pantonov22 · Sat Sep 03, 2022 10:01 pm

Nearly a year after it arrived in Jakarta, followed by maintenance and another period of storage in Spain, YR-FSB former N27063 has started operations:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/yr-fsb
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/e9w0p3

CX Flyboy · Sun Sep 04, 2022 6:31 am

Pantonov22 wrote:
Nearly a year after it arrived in Jakarta, followed by maintenance and another period of storage in Spain, YR-FSB former N27063 has started operations:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/yr-fsb
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/e9w0p3

Was this one painted at some stage in preparation for a Saudia lease?

gdavis003 · Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:11 pm

Quick note from DHN. N318SP arrived on Friday - this is the next 737-400 conversion for Aeronaves TSM. Most recently operated for Peruvian Airways, about 25 years old. It took the place of N23FF, which was brought back to SLW yesterday. Another classic conversion in the books

MO11 · Sun Sep 04, 2022 4:39 pm

ClassicSpotter wrote:
Apparently Skybus DC-8 OB-2059-P has been reregistered as N807DH.

Is there any reason why they would reregister the aircraft from Peru to the USA?

I'm thinking that it may be for maintenance purposes, and for the shop that is going to do maintenance. I don't know the rule, though.

I see a lot of lease-return 737s that are Austrian/Irish/Cayman registered, get flown to a US shop, get an N number, then get leased to a foreign operator. Same goes for the freighter conversions.

wjcandee · Sun Sep 04, 2022 5:48 pm

I think we're going to find that the DC8s get operated for a different customer then at present. The operator seems to have one foot in Peru and one in the US , and it may behoove it to have a US registration for the services it's intending to provide and the customer for whom it's intending to provide them. That said, it certainly is going to cost more money to operate them under part 121 then under whatever they're doing right now.

wjcandee · Sun Sep 04, 2022 5:50 pm

ClassicSpotter wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
How many cycles does N752AX have?.

The last time it had maintenance logged was on 08/30/2020. At the time, N752AX had 65,014 Flight Hours and 48,859 Cycles.

Right. ATSG retired her with about 1100 cycles left.

bennett123 · Sun Sep 04, 2022 6:12 pm

How long will it take to use up 1,100 cycles?.

MO11 · Sun Sep 04, 2022 7:34 pm

wjcandee wrote:
I think we're going to find that the DC8s get operated for a different customer then at present. The operator seems to have one foot in Peru and one in the US , and it may behoove it to have a US registration for the services it's intending to provide and the customer for whom it's intending to provide them. That said, it certainly is going to cost more money to operate them under part 121 then under whatever they're doing right now.

Even with a US registration, it doesn't operate under FAR 121. It operates under the appropriate Peruvian regulations, plus FAR 129. [Similar to US-registered AVIANCA A320s.] This airplane has been swapped between N807DH and OB-2059-P three times. N873SJ has done so twice.

OB2059P was running for Amerijet until the end of June. If you look on Amerijet's current schedule page

https://www.amerijet.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Flight-Schedule-Effective-August-29-2022-fillable.pdf

You see one DC-8 still running, and OB-2158-P is the culprit.

On the next schedule:

https://www.amerijet.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/M6-Flight-Schedule-Effective-September-18-2022-fillable.pdf

no DC-8s.

Spacepope · Sun Sep 04, 2022 7:55 pm

bennett123 wrote:
How long will it take to use up 1,100 cycles?.

Depends on utilization. the -200s in Amazon service do around 2 cycles a day, or 700/year.

KarlB737 · Sun Sep 04, 2022 8:07 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Couple of little notes:

(1) N281FL, which is the third of the 3 IFL 727s we were following for a while, is back in service after just-under 2 months at PTK, perhaps being serviced. She's scheduled into LRD from PTK today, presumably for more of what appears to be a burgeoning demand for auto parts shipments to Mercedes and others in the US from Mexico.

(2) N215WE and N216WE, the other IFL 727s, have been doing some MEM-SJU flying the past few weeks. Don't know if it's for FedEx or it's part of the auto parts stuff. I noticed that the return from SJU today went instead to BHM, which is auto-partsy.

What's up with IFL N251?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TSU251

MO11 · Sun Sep 04, 2022 8:31 pm

KarlB737 wrote:

What's up with IFL N251?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TSU251

That was the last flight. Last I knew it was an instructional airframe at KF Aerospace.

wjcandee · Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:30 am

MO11 wrote:
[For Amerijet:] You see one DC-8 still running, and OB-2158-P is the culprit.
On the next schedule... no DC-8s.

Right. What a little birdie told me was that there's a new customer coming on board for 2 maybe 3 of those DC8s, and it's a good customer if what I was told is correct.

BOEING777EK · Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:19 am

This movement hasnt received traction for a while, but as per skyliner aviation, Mammoth freighter looks to have acquired tail N866DA which is indeed a 777E. Does this movement perhaps signal an entry of the 777E in the conversion market?

Boeing 777-232 29738 261 N866DA Mammoth Freighters ferried 02sep22 MZJ-FTW for conversion

source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4

MO11 · Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:53 pm

BOEING777EK wrote:
This movement hasnt received traction for a while, but as per skyliner aviation, Mammoth freighter looks to have acquired tail N866DA which is indeed a 777E. Does this movement perhaps signal an entry of the 777E in the conversion market?

Boeing 777-232 29738 261 N866DA Mammoth Freighters ferried 02sep22 MZJ-FTW for conversion

source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4

I didn't know that Mammoth was developing a freighter package for the -200 (ER). Its website (and Twitter) only mention the -200LR and -300ER. And since certification of the -200LR is still a year out, it would seem strange to drop another aircraft at the work area.

Phosphorus · Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:04 pm

MO11 wrote:
BOEING777EK wrote:
This movement hasnt received traction for a while, but as per skyliner aviation, Mammoth freighter looks to have acquired tail N866DA which is indeed a 777E. Does this movement perhaps signal an entry of the 777E in the conversion market?

Boeing 777-232 29738 261 N866DA Mammoth Freighters ferried 02sep22 MZJ-FTW for conversion

source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4

I didn't know that Mammoth was developing a freighter package for the -200 (ER). Its website (and Twitter) only mention the -200LR and -300ER. And since certification of the -200LR is still a year out, it would seem strange to drop another aircraft at the work area.

Harvesting a 777-200 for components to support other conversions. Would that qualify as "ferried for conversion"?

BOEING777EK · Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:28 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
MO11 wrote:
BOEING777EK wrote:
This movement hasnt received traction for a while, but as per skyliner aviation, Mammoth freighter looks to have acquired tail N866DA which is indeed a 777E. Does this movement perhaps signal an entry of the 777E in the conversion market?

Boeing 777-232 29738 261 N866DA Mammoth Freighters ferried 02sep22 MZJ-FTW for conversion

source: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=4

I didn't know that Mammoth was developing a freighter package for the -200 (ER). Its website (and Twitter) only mention the -200LR and -300ER. And since certification of the -200LR is still a year out, it would seem strange to drop another aircraft at the work area.

Harvesting a 777-200 for components to support other conversions. Would that qualify as "ferried for conversion"?

Other than the APU and perhaps some flight instruments, are there any other components that are interchangeable between a 777LR & 777E which would warrant an acquisition of a different variant in comparison to parting out one of their inventory frames?

747classic · Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:39 pm

Fedex MD11F N649FE has been ferried Arcadiana New iberia (ARA) towards Memphis (MEM) at September 04th after paint with callsign FX9030, see: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N64 ... /KARA/KMEM

No picture yet of N649FE in full FedEx livery

MCOflyer · Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:14 pm

It will be interesting to see the various airlines operating in the holiday rush. Also, I'm not too sure if this is the thread to ask, but are 738F conversions selling good? Also would there be a 739ERF conversion?

MO11 · Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:22 am

MCOflyer wrote:
It will be interesting to see the various airlines operating in the holiday rush. Also, I'm not too sure if this is the thread to ask, but are 738F conversions selling good? Also would there be a 739ERF conversion?

No on the 737-900. Yes on the 737-800. What is interesting about the -800 is the strong interest from the mainstream leasing companies, which have been footing the bill of many of the conversions. This is true of the A321 as well.

MCOflyer · Wed Sep 07, 2022 3:16 am

I’m not surprised given how many freighters we will need in the future. Any word on whether Suncountry will take on additional flying?

HPRamper · Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:40 am

747classic wrote:
Fedex MD11F N649FE has been ferried Arcadiana New iberia (ARA) towards Memphis (MEM) at September 04th after paint with callsign FX9030, see: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N64 ... /KARA/KMEM

No picture yet of N649FE in full FedEx livery

First revenue flights planned for the 14th/15th, turns to EWR, SLC, PDX, if anyone wants to get out and take some pictures!

747classic · Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:50 am

HPRamper wrote:
747classic wrote:
Fedex MD11F N649FE has been ferried Arcadiana New iberia (ARA) towards Memphis (MEM) at September 04th after paint with callsign FX9030, see: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N64 ... /KARA/KMEM

No picture yet of N649FE in full FedEx livery

First revenue flights planned for the 14th/15th, turns to EWR, SLC, PDX, if anyone wants to get out and take some pictures!

Thx for this info
Any thoughts about the resurrection of N647FE or one of the two other stored ex LH MD11F aircraft (N646FE, N648FE).
My latest info (a few months ago) is that after N649FE is activated, one more would be activated, about the other two no decision has been taken yet.

HPRamper · Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:10 am

747classic wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
747classic wrote:
Fedex MD11F N649FE has been ferried Arcadiana New iberia (ARA) towards Memphis (MEM) at September 04th after paint with callsign FX9030, see: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N64 ... /KARA/KMEM

No picture yet of N649FE in full FedEx livery

First revenue flights planned for the 14th/15th, turns to EWR, SLC, PDX, if anyone wants to get out and take some pictures!

Thx for this info
Any thoughts about the resurrection of N647FE or one of the two other stored ex LH MD11F aircraft (N646FE, N648FE).
My latest info (a few months ago) is that after N649FE is activated, one more would be activated, about the other two no decision has been taken yet.

Three (647-649) were referenced today as going active in succession. Upper deck configurations are different from the rest of the FX fleet with some ULD type restrictions so sounds like they didn't want to bother bringing them fully up to commonality.
They also changed up the routing, first flight was to SAT last night then returning to MEM this morning, after that it will be dedicated to a MEM-MCI turn. So, MCI will likely be the best place to spot this one.

747classic · Thu Sep 08, 2022 12:20 pm

HPRamper wrote:
Three (647-649) were referenced today as going active in succession. Upper deck configurations are different from the rest of the FX fleet with some ULD type restrictions so sounds like they didn't want to bother bringing them fully up to commonality.
They also changed up the routing, first flight was to SAT last night then returning to MEM this morning, after that it will be dedicated to a MEM-MCI turn. So, MCI will likely be the best place to spot this one.

Thx,
Hopefully we can see N647FE and/or N648FE soon to be leaving long term storage at VCV.
Because it's already mid September, it will be tight to join the 2022 cargo peak, seen the lengthy HMV of N649FE !

DL757NYC · Fri Sep 09, 2022 5:58 am

Of the 4 ex LH MD-11’s the one with the unique paint scheme was flown to MEM. There is another one that is in SIN. I suppose they will join the fleet. I find it Interesting they kept them all with engines on. None look like they have been picked for parts. Then again they have over a dozen frames they could scavenge parts from. I still don’t understand there method or reasoning why certain frames were parked with low time on the frames. Some say the type of engines however they currently operate GE and PW aircraft

747classic · Fri Sep 09, 2022 6:52 am

DL757NYC wrote:
Of the 4 ex LH MD-11’s the one with the unique paint scheme was flown to MEM. There is another one that is in SIN. I suppose they will join the fleet. I find it Interesting they kept them all with engines on. None look like they have been picked for parts. Then again they have over a dozen frames they could scavenge parts from. I still don’t understand there method or reasoning why certain frames were parked with low time on the frames. Some say the type of engines however they currently operate GE and PW aircraft

N649FE is at MEM (painted in full FedEx livery at ARA) scheduled for the first revenue flight (FX1410) to TAMPA (TPA) today, at September 9th
N646FE is stored at VCV
N647FE is stored at VCV, scheduled for activation, according member HPRamper
N648FE is stored at VCV, scheduled for activation. according member HPRamper.
AFAIK no ex LH Cargo FedEx owned MD11F is located at SIN.

TriniA340 · Fri Sep 09, 2022 11:37 am

I see that DC-8 N805SJ did a flight to LIM yesterday (No airline callsign). FR shows it scheduled to return to MIA today.

HPRamper · Sat Sep 10, 2022 6:49 am

747classic wrote:
DL757NYC wrote:
Of the 4 ex LH MD-11’s the one with the unique paint scheme was flown to MEM. There is another one that is in SIN. I suppose they will join the fleet. I find it Interesting they kept them all with engines on. None look like they have been picked for parts. Then again they have over a dozen frames they could scavenge parts from. I still don’t understand there method or reasoning why certain frames were parked with low time on the frames. Some say the type of engines however they currently operate GE and PW aircraft

N649FE is at MEM (painted in full FedEx livery at ARA) scheduled for the first revenue flight (FX1410) to TAMPA (TPA) today, at September 9th
N646FE is stored at VCV
N647FE is stored at VCV, scheduled for activation, according member HPRamper
N648FE is stored at VCV, scheduled for activation. according member HPRamper.
AFAIK no ex LH Cargo FedEx owned MD11F is located at SIN.

Currently only 2 MD11F at SIN - N616FE and N588FE (which must have had complications during heavy check as original ETIC was for 08/27 and it has been revised to 10/11).

CX747 · Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:12 pm

TriniA340 wrote:
I see that DC-8 N805SJ did a flight to LIM yesterday (No airline callsign). FR shows it scheduled to return to MIA today.

She did indeed make the return journey back to MIA on Sept 9th. Word on the street is the DC-8s are going to be employed by a new company...

Boeing757100 · Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:28 pm

CX747 wrote:
TriniA340 wrote:
I see that DC-8 N805SJ did a flight to LIM yesterday (No airline callsign). FR shows it scheduled to return to MIA today.

She did indeed make the return journey back to MIA on Sept 9th. Word on the street is the DC-8s are going to be employed by a new company...

All 3 of them?

stretch8 · Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:57 pm

N156DL CAM B763 scheduled ILN-SNN tonite, & to TLV for BDSF conversion. cheers!

wjcandee · Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:25 pm

And they keep on moving! Thanks, Stretch8.

N27UADIESEL8 · Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:29 am

MO11 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
I think we're going to find that the DC8s get operated for a different customer then at present. The operator seems to have one foot in Peru and one in the US , and it may behoove it to have a US registration for the services it's intending to provide and the customer for whom it's intending to provide them. That said, it certainly is going to cost more money to operate them under part 121 then under whatever they're doing right now.

Even with a US registration, it doesn't operate under FAR 121. It operates under the appropriate Peruvian regulations, plus FAR 129. [Similar to US-registered AVIANCA A320s.] This airplane has been swapped between N807DH and OB-2059-P three times. N873SJ has done so twice.

OB2059P was running for Amerijet until the end of June. If you look on Amerijet's current schedule page

https://www.amerijet.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Flight-Schedule-Effective-August-29-2022-fillable.pdf

You see one DC-8 still running, and OB-2158-P is the culprit.

On the next schedule:

https://www.amerijet.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/M6-Flight-Schedule-Effective-September-18-2022-fillable.pdf

no DC-8s.

OB-2158P has been operating 4 daily flights for DHL Aero Expreso shortly after we lost the B-757 in SJO. Aircraft operates MIA-SJO-MIA Tue and Thur MIA-GUA-SAP Wed and Fri. Friday night aircraft gets towed to remote stand by Amerijet's ramp.

As per the mechanics from Skybus, the last DC-8 that came in was to go to Peru to be put on the Peruvian register but I am not sure if it actually did. I will ask tomorrow once the plane returns from SJO.

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