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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:31 pm

Codasco wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
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In regards to the ongoing struggle for international gates. It seems like there's a very simple solution that would immediately ease the issue while avoiding using air stairs / buses. E29 and E31 share a glass corridor to funnel people downstairs to FIS. Why wouldn't they just extend that glass over to E33? Seems like something that could be done cheaply and in a matter of weeks to quickly add an extra international gate. You'd lose a little bit of seating space. but there's a lot of seating in that area to begin with.

My understanding is an A330 blocks E31 when parked at E29, but it doesn't look like it would affect a 737 parked at E33.


E33 has its own entrance to FIS already. There are stairs that go down directly from E33 so it doesn't need to be connected to the other 2. E33 is what WN uses for its CUN flight while LH is still at E29/31


Guess there's always airs stairs then! :crowded:


How are the ADA accommodations in all of this?
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:07 pm

stlgph wrote:
Codasco wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

E33 has its own entrance to FIS already. There are stairs that go down directly from E33 so it doesn't need to be connected to the other 2. E33 is what WN uses for its CUN flight while LH is still at E29/31


Guess there's always airs stairs then! :crowded:


How are the ADA accommodations in all of this?


I think they have wheelchair lifts that can lift someone up to the plane door.

In other news, Cards in London next year, would be a good time for BA to announce STL-LHR ;)

Actually, I'm surprised they aren't operating a few one-off charters for that. They absolutely could fill a plane or two that week. Of course, now that I just booked my flights for that through ORD, BA will announce something.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:00 pm

STLflyer wrote:
stlgph wrote:
Codasco wrote:

Guess there's always airs stairs then! :crowded:


How are the ADA accommodations in all of this?


I think they have wheelchair lifts that can lift someone up to the plane door.

In other news, Cards in London next year, would be a good time for BA to announce STL-LHR ;)

Actually, I'm surprised they aren't operating a few one-off charters for that. They absolutely could fill a plane or two that week. Of course, now that I just booked my flights for that through ORD, BA will announce something.

You already bought flight tickets! I would have at least waited a few months to see if there was gonna be a charter announced. You are gonna be kicking yourself if you see a virgin atlantic charter or something come up like there was a few years back
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:05 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Codasco wrote:

Guess there's always airs stairs then! :crowded:


Does anyone know if WN or F9 have retractable stairs in their fleet? I know UA does for front and back on their 738s as we used them in BZE last month. WN used to have them in the old 73 classics.


Do Airbuses have them? Seeing F9 only is airbus I am not sure if that was an option on those. I don't think any WN do unless some they got from other airlines did and they kept them, but I would doubt it.


No. I’m not aware of any A320 family aircraft, flying with an airline, that has built in air stairs. Due to the height of the A320, the stairs would have to be longer and much heavier than the stairs on the 737. And Boeing has said most airlines don’t opt for the 737 stairs due to weight. It’s a rare option.

I still think for an airport with so many vacant gates, this shouldn’t be a terribly difficult problem to solve.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:02 pm

dcaproducer wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:

Does anyone know if WN or F9 have retractable stairs in their fleet? I know UA does for front and back on their 738s as we used them in BZE last month. WN used to have them in the old 73 classics.


Do Airbuses have them? Seeing F9 only is airbus I am not sure if that was an option on those. I don't think any WN do unless some they got from other airlines did and they kept them, but I would doubt it.


No. I’m not aware of any A320 family aircraft, flying with an airline, that has built in air stairs. Due to the height of the A320, the stairs would have to be longer and much heavier than the stairs on the 737. And Boeing has said most airlines don’t opt for the 737 stairs due to weight. It’s a rare option.

I still think for an airport with so many vacant gates, this shouldn’t be a terribly difficult problem to solve.


I saw pics of 319s with them but all are private but I’d assume they are an option. Just crazy. I get the added weight issue.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:37 pm

TWA302 wrote:
dcaproducer wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:

Do Airbuses have them? Seeing F9 only is airbus I am not sure if that was an option on those. I don't think any WN do unless some they got from other airlines did and they kept them, but I would doubt it.


No. I’m not aware of any A320 family aircraft, flying with an airline, that has built in air stairs. Due to the height of the A320, the stairs would have to be longer and much heavier than the stairs on the 737. And Boeing has said most airlines don’t opt for the 737 stairs due to weight. It’s a rare option.

I still think for an airport with so many vacant gates, this shouldn’t be a terribly difficult problem to solve.


I saw pics of 319s with them but all are private but I’d assume they are an option. Just crazy. I get the added weight issue.


Airbus offers them in their version of the BBJ. I read something from an industry group saying Airbus has offered them to airlines, but no one has ever ordered them.
Apparently the stairs in the 737 are a maintenance nightmare.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:03 pm

dcaproducer wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
dcaproducer wrote:

No. I’m not aware of any A320 family aircraft, flying with an airline, that has built in air stairs. Due to the height of the A320, the stairs would have to be longer and much heavier than the stairs on the 737. And Boeing has said most airlines don’t opt for the 737 stairs due to weight. It’s a rare option.

I still think for an airport with so many vacant gates, this shouldn’t be a terribly difficult problem to solve.


I saw pics of 319s with them but all are private but I’d assume they are an option. Just crazy. I get the added weight issue.


Airbus offers them in their version of the BBJ. I read something from an industry group saying Airbus has offered them to airlines, but no one has ever ordered them.
Apparently the stairs in the 737 are a maintenance nightmare.


Looks like Ryanair has a lot of them. Sounds like it might be cheaper for them to have their own so they don't have to pay to use the airports at some places.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:13 pm

June numbers are out

1,284,467 passengers
up 20.4% over last year
87% of 2019

Las 12 months passengers 12,585,180

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... pdated.pdf
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:05 am

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Not really sure what this is. If anyone knows what it means feel free to elaborate.
More money to hire more CBP agents?

BP Announces Additional Partnerships for New and Expanded Services
Frontier Airlines, Inc. (Raleigh–Durham International Airport; Buffalo Niagara International Airport; Kansas City International Airport; and St. Louis Lambert International Airport)

WASHINGTON — U.S. Customs and Border Protection announced today 23 tentative selections for new reimbursable services agreements that will promote cross-border trade and facilitate essential travel to the United States.

These public-private partnerships will allow approved private sector and state and local government entities to reimburse CBP for expanded services for incoming commercial and cargo traffic and international traveler arrivals in Alabama; Arizona; California; Colorado; Delaware; Florida; Georgia; Illinois; Louisiana; Maine; Massachusetts; Michigan; Minnesota; Missouri; New Jersey; New Mexico; New York; North Carolina; Ohio; Pennsylvania; Tennessee; Texas; Virginia; and Washington.

“By pursuing public-private partnerships CBP is able to manage increases in passenger and cargo volumes that impact passenger wait times and cargo backups,” indicated Pete Flores, Executive Assistant Commissioner for Field Operations. “With the Reimbursable Services Program we expand our footprint and facilitate our capacity to serve the public.”

Since the Reimbursable Services Program began in 2013, CBP has expanded it to include 292 stakeholders. The program has provided more than 1 million additional processing hours at the request of CBP’s partners—accounting for the processing of more than 16.2 million travelers and more than 2 million personal and commercial vehicles.

Authorized by Section 481 of the Homeland Security Act of 2002, reimbursable services agreements increase CBP’s ability to provide new or enhanced services on a reimbursable basis by creating partnerships with private sector and government entities. Reimbursable services under this authority include customs, agricultural processing, border security services, immigration inspections and support services at ports of entry.

The statute includes several limitations at CBP-serviced airports. Reimbursable services are limited to overtime costs and support services for airports with 100,000 or more arriving international passengers annually. Airports with fewer than 100,000 arriving international passengers annually may offset CBP for the salaries and expenses of not more than five full-time equivalent CBP officers. Reimbursable services agreements will not replace existing services.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-m ... services-8


F9 just cut Cancun from BUF ..... So i dont think they are going international anymore! It was only season and I know f9 does this all the time route wise!
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:41 pm

Look like AA is moving BOS to E175s in November wouldn’t be surprised if that’s pushed thru winter. Makes more sense than mainline and loads in winter to Boston aren’t great. I’d rather keep 2 E175 than 1 A319 anyway.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:36 am

Jshank83 wrote:
Look like AA is moving BOS to E175s in November wouldn’t be surprised if that’s pushed thru winter. Makes more sense than mainline and loads in winter to Boston aren’t great. I’d rather keep 2 E175 than 1 A319 anyway.


Agreed, keep the frequency if we can.

Now let's add more STL-LAX with those 2 extra A319's now Please?!?!? :-D

Or maybe one each to SFO and SEA...

(Just day dreaming...)

Alex
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:44 am

atrude777 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Look like AA is moving BOS to E175s in November wouldn’t be surprised if that’s pushed thru winter. Makes more sense than mainline and loads in winter to Boston aren’t great. I’d rather keep 2 E175 than 1 A319 anyway.


Agreed, keep the frequency if we can.

Now let's add more STL-LAX with those 2 extra A319's now Please?!?!? :-D

Or maybe one each to SFO and SEA...

(Just day dreaming...)

Alex


I am surprised LAX isn’t back to 2 yet, especially since NK isn’t running it, but it seems like everyone is still suppressing longer routes until staffing is back. Would be nice to see them pick up RDU though… and JFK as always…

Edit: I also just noticed AA pulled CUN from the November schedule. That’s disappointing
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:19 am

August frequencies

Changing numbers up a bit. Only comparing same month across years

Flights per week August
AUG 2022 (AUG 2021) AUG 2019
WN 728 (573) 792
AA 233 (216) 267
DL 132 (145) 203
UA 115 (145) 201
F9 32 (36) 31
NK 14 (35) XX
AC 14 (XX) 21
AS 14 (14) 21


G4 14 (19) - 2021 was record year

Total STL 1381 (1286) 1707

Monday Seats (vs2021) vs2019
AA 4273 (+23.4%) -0.77%
DL 2297 (-12%) -33%
UA 1082 (-22%) -41.83%

Notes:
Apple Vacation routes HUX/SJD/PVR/PUJ take a break. PUJ will be back in Nov. HUX was listed as coming back in I think March but its now been taken down so we will see but I figure they will be back. Still hoping PVR/SJD get taken over by F9

G4 summer routes go on break JAX/SAV/MYR. SRQ also takes a break but is back in October.

DL/UA drops a few flights and falls behind even 2021 numbers.....

AC changes the E175 frequency to CRJ900, same seats

AA almost back to same seats from 2019

Everything else is pretty much the status quo, some frequencies moved (AA adds a ORD, drops a PHL) around but thats about it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:51 am

Jshank83 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Look like AA is moving BOS to E175s in November wouldn’t be surprised if that’s pushed thru winter. Makes more sense than mainline and loads in winter to Boston aren’t great. I’d rather keep 2 E175 than 1 A319 anyway.


Agreed, keep the frequency if we can.

Now let's add more STL-LAX with those 2 extra A319's now Please?!?!? :-D

Or maybe one each to SFO and SEA...

(Just day dreaming...)

Alex


I am surprised LAX isn’t back to 2 yet, especially since NK isn’t running it, but it seems like everyone is still suppressing longer routes until staffing is back. Would be nice to see them pick up RDU though… and JFK as always…

Edit: I also just noticed AA pulled CUN from the November schedule. That’s disappointing


I think LAX is pretty slow for AA right now. Looking at October, ATL/BNA/FLL/IAH/IND/OMA/RDU are only 1x daily + they aren't even flying LAX-PVR/RNO/SLC/TPA during October (PVR sat only). Even LAX-BOS is only 3x daily on AA metal.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:14 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Look like AA is moving BOS to E175s in November wouldn’t be surprised if that’s pushed thru winter. Makes more sense than mainline and loads in winter to Boston aren’t great. I’d rather keep 2 E175 than 1 A319 anyway.

Starting in September WN is moving up one of it's BOS departures to 5:30am and arrive at 9am. This looks clearly aimed at business travelers.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:21 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Look like AA is moving BOS to E175s in November wouldn’t be surprised if that’s pushed thru winter. Makes more sense than mainline and loads in winter to Boston aren’t great. I’d rather keep 2 E175 than 1 A319 anyway.

Starting in September WN is moving up one of it's BOS departures to 5:30am and arrive at 9am. This looks clearly aimed at business travelers.


There aren't going to be many connects on that either. Too early for any here and not many options on the Boston side.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Aug 08, 2022 4:35 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Look like AA is moving BOS to E175s in November wouldn’t be surprised if that’s pushed thru winter. Makes more sense than mainline and loads in winter to Boston aren’t great. I’d rather keep 2 E175 than 1 A319 anyway.

Starting in September WN is moving up one of it's BOS departures to 5:30am and arrive at 9am. This looks clearly aimed at business travelers.


There aren't going to be many connects on that either. Too early for any here and not many options on the Boston side.


Jeebus! 5:30 to BOS? That is along the lines to the MCO Disney World screamin' kids express. More booze sold on that zero dark thirty WN flight than any other out of STL. yes, even LAS. :lol:
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:07 pm

RipCurl will be the store replacing Eddie Bauer. Trying to appeal to beach goers before they board their planes.

https://www.ripcurl.com/us/
 
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Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:03 pm

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RipCurl will be the store replacing Eddie Bauer. Trying to appeal to beach goers before they board their planes.

https://www.ripcurl.com/us/



Yeah, because at the airport we all say, "Shoot! Honey, I forgot my wet suit!" :sarcastic:
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:39 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
RipCurl will be the store replacing Eddie Bauer. Trying to appeal to beach goers before they board their planes.

https://www.ripcurl.com/us/

Will be the only one in STL!

But too bad for them as both NK and AA cut back on LAX
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:41 pm

TWA302 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
RipCurl will be the store replacing Eddie Bauer. Trying to appeal to beach goers before they board their planes.

https://www.ripcurl.com/us/



Yeah, because at the airport we all say, "Shoot! Honey, I forgot my wet suit!" :sarcastic:

Not to mention only one airline of the 3 big ones in C even allows you to take anything you buy into the plane without charging you a massive amount for adding a bag last minute.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:22 am

Jshank83 wrote:
RipCurl will be the store replacing Eddie Bauer. Trying to appeal to beach goers before they board their planes.

https://www.ripcurl.com/us/


How much does the airport charge these stores for rent? Because I have no idea how in the hell some of these places are profitable.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:06 am

Jshank83 wrote:
I am surprised LAX isn’t back to 2 yet, especially since NK isn’t running it, but it seems like everyone is still suppressing longer routes until staffing is back. Would be nice to see them pick up RDU though… and JFK as always…


I agree that AA re-adding STL-RDU nonstop service is a possibility with AA already operating p2p nonstop service to AUS/BNA/PIT/TPA out of RDU in addition to AA nonstop service out of RDU to its hubs along with AA having recently added p2p nonstop service to CVG from RDU.

WN is also still down to 1x daily nonstop on STL-RDU through end-of-schedule.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:30 pm

Quincy officially recommends Southern to take over for Cape Air

Pretty sure it will be 18 a week to STL 18 a week to ORD.

https://www.wgem.com/2022/08/09/quincy- ... l-airport/
 
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Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:47 pm

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Quincy officially recommends Southern to take over for Cape Air

Pretty sure it will be 18 a week to STL 18 a week to ORD.

https://www.wgem.com/2022/08/09/quincy- ... l-airport/



Good news for Southern! How in the world have thy hired 120 pilots since Jan1? Wow!
https://muddyrivernews.com/top-stories/rather-than-risk-losing-airline-service-city-council-opts-for-single-engine-aircraft-from-southern-airways-express/20220809071808/

Found this on their pay too. Seems low compared to what Cape was paying for flight school and a higher salary. How is Southern getting all of these new pilots and Cape is losing them?
Full-time Compensation:

$50,000 base salary
65 Hour/month guarantee – average is 95 hrs/mo.
Productivity pay of $40 per block over 65 ho
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:49 pm

TWA302 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Quincy officially recommends Southern to take over for Cape Air

Pretty sure it will be 18 a week to STL 18 a week to ORD.

https://www.wgem.com/2022/08/09/quincy- ... l-airport/



Good news for Southern! How in the world have thy hired 120 pilots since Jan1? Wow!
https://muddyrivernews.com/top-stories/rather-than-risk-losing-airline-service-city-council-opts-for-single-engine-aircraft-from-southern-airways-express/20220809071808/

Found this on their pay too. Seems low compared to what Cape was paying for flight school and a higher salary. How is Southern getting all of these new pilots and Cape is losing them?
Full-time Compensation:

$50,000 base salary
65 Hour/month guarantee – average is 95 hrs/mo.
Productivity pay of $40 per block over 65 ho


Southern I think has a path to regionals worked out for pilots. Not sure cape does.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:58 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Quincy officially recommends Southern to take over for Cape Air

Pretty sure it will be 18 a week to STL 18 a week to ORD.

https://www.wgem.com/2022/08/09/quincy- ... l-airport/



Good news for Southern! How in the world have thy hired 120 pilots since Jan1? Wow!
https://muddyrivernews.com/top-stories/rather-than-risk-losing-airline-service-city-council-opts-for-single-engine-aircraft-from-southern-airways-express/20220809071808/

Found this on their pay too. Seems low compared to what Cape was paying for flight school and a higher salary. How is Southern getting all of these new pilots and Cape is losing them?
Full-time Compensation:

$50,000 base salary
65 Hour/month guarantee – average is 95 hrs/mo.
Productivity pay of $40 per block over 65 ho


Southern I think has a path to regionals worked out for pilots. Not sure cape does.


Cape Air Pilots don't have access to Regionals, but they can directly be hired at Jetblue.

Have two Cape Air Pilot Friends who did just that...

https://www.capeairpilots.com/jetblue-u ... ay-program

Alex
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:52 am

Jshank83 wrote:
RipCurl will be the store replacing Eddie Bauer. Trying to appeal to beach goers before they board their planes.

https://www.ripcurl.com/us/


Sir, that surfboard isn't going to fit in the overhead. You'll need to gate check it.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:48 pm

Allegiant extended their schedule into May

AZA goes until mid Feb
FLL starts back up in Feb
Jax starts back up in March
SAV starts back up in April
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:03 am

International loads for Feb

WN CUN 86.5%
AA CUN 84.5%
Apple/Viva HUX 76.5% (89% outbound) - I guess people do like HUX
F9 CUN 75%
F9 PUJ 63.5%
Apple/Viva SJD 58%
NK CUN 51.5%

AA newer routes May - Both making progress decent jump for BOS.
AUS 72%
BOS 68.5%
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:57 am

BLV numbers May

Passengers up 34.22% vs May21
Passengers up 29.91% YTD vs 2021

On pace for another record year.

Loads combined both ways
PIE 90.5% (94.5% outbound)
PGD 89%
SFB 88.5%
LAS 88%
SRQ 86%
VPS 85%
JAX 84.5%
SAV 55.5%
CHS 55% (78% inbound, went out of season so outbound only had one flight and was light due to no return)
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:44 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
International loads for Feb

WN CUN 86.5%
AA CUN 84.5%
Apple/Viva HUX 76.5% (89% outbound) - I guess people do like HUX
F9 CUN 75%
F9 PUJ 63.5%
Apple/Viva SJD 58%
NK CUN 51.5%

AA newer routes May - Both making progress decent jump for BOS.
AUS 72%
BOS 68.5%


I wonder how a Saturday AA NAS flight would do.. or WN.
Does anyone fly MBJ in season?
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:59 pm

dcaproducer wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
International loads for Feb

WN CUN 86.5%
AA CUN 84.5%
Apple/Viva HUX 76.5% (89% outbound) - I guess people do like HUX
F9 CUN 75%
F9 PUJ 63.5%
Apple/Viva SJD 58%
NK CUN 51.5%

AA newer routes May - Both making progress decent jump for BOS.
AUS 72%
BOS 68.5%


I wonder how a Saturday AA NAS flight would do.. or WN.
Does anyone fly MBJ in season?


WN flies MBJ March-fall.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:31 pm

dcaproducer wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
International loads for Feb

WN CUN 86.5%
AA CUN 84.5%
Apple/Viva HUX 76.5% (89% outbound) - I guess people do like HUX
F9 CUN 75%
F9 PUJ 63.5%
Apple/Viva SJD 58%
NK CUN 51.5%

AA newer routes May - Both making progress decent jump for BOS.
AUS 72%
BOS 68.5%


I wonder how a Saturday AA NAS flight would do.. or WN.
Does anyone fly MBJ in season?


AA could even toss an Eagle run on the route......
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:56 pm

stlgph wrote:
dcaproducer wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
International loads for Feb

WN CUN 86.5%
AA CUN 84.5%
Apple/Viva HUX 76.5% (89% outbound) - I guess people do like HUX
F9 CUN 75%
F9 PUJ 63.5%
Apple/Viva SJD 58%
NK CUN 51.5%

AA newer routes May - Both making progress decent jump for BOS.
AUS 72%
BOS 68.5%


I wonder how a Saturday AA NAS flight would do.. or WN.
Does anyone fly MBJ in season?


AA could even toss an Eagle run on the route......


If they could have the pilots to do it, sure! But with them slashing regional routes like the others it is slim to none, sadly.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 13, 2022 3:34 pm

UA schedule update shows every route except IAD using either A319 or 738. Looking at a random Fri in Dec.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Aug 14, 2022 3:49 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
UA schedule update shows every route except IAD using either A319 or 738. Looking at a random Fri in Dec.


I am looking at Friday in Dec and seeing both mainline and regionals for IAH and all regional on ORD.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Aug 14, 2022 5:53 pm

TWA302 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
UA schedule update shows every route except IAD using either A319 or 738. Looking at a random Fri in Dec.


I am looking at Friday in Dec and seeing both mainline and regionals for IAH and all regional on ORD.

Every route except IAD has mainline but not every frequency. ORD has 737 every weekday until 12/15.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:33 pm

Loads for everyone besides WN

AS
SEA 91.5%

AA
PHX 91.5%
LAX 91.5% - really would like to see a 2nd back on this soon.
CLT 88%
ORD 87%
DFW 86.5%
MIA 85.5%
PHL 84.5%
DCA 83.5%
AUS 72%
LGA 68.5%
BOS 68.5%

DL
SLC 87%
MSP 87%
ATL 86%
DTW 83%
LGA 77%

F9
LAS 90.5% -
MCO 86%
DEN 83%
ATL 82% - Surprised it is this high, I thought it would be rough
MIA 60%

NK
LAS 88%
MCO 87%
LAX 75.5%
FLL 72%
MYR 28% - only ran 2 flights then cut

UA
DEN 91%
IAH 89%
ORD 88.5%
IAD 83.5%
EWR 80%

WN - just a couple I did initially
JAX 95% - wonder if we could see some extra frequencies on this next year?
SAN 93.5%
LAX 92%
SNA 92%
SMF 91.5%
PHX 91%
LGB 89%
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Aug 14, 2022 8:58 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Loads for everyone besides WN

AS
SEA 91.5%

AA
PHX 91.5%
LAX 91.5% - really would like to see a 2nd back on this soon.
CLT 88%
ORD 87%
DFW 86.5%
MIA 85.5%
PHL 84.5%
DCA 83.5%
AUS 72%
LGA 68.5%
BOS 68.5%

DL
SLC 87%
MSP 87%
ATL 86%
DTW 83%
LGA 77%

F9
LAS 90.5% -
MCO 86%
DEN 83%
ATL 82% - Surprised it is this high, I thought it would be rough
MIA 60%

NK
LAS 88%
MCO 87%
LAX 75.5%
FLL 72%
MYR 28% - only ran 2 flights then cut

UA
DEN 91%
IAH 89%
ORD 88.5%
IAD 83.5%
EWR 80%

WN - just a couple I did initially
JAX 95% - wonder if we could see some extra frequencies on this next year?
SAN 93.5%
LAX 92%
SNA 92%
SMF 91.5%
PHX 91%
LGB 89%

Is this for May?
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:32 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Loads for everyone besides WN

May

AS
SEA 91.5%

AA
PHX 91.5%
LAX 91.5% - really would like to see a 2nd back on this soon.
CLT 88%
ORD 87%
DFW 86.5%
MIA 85.5%
PHL 84.5%
DCA 83.5%
AUS 72%
LGA 68.5%
BOS 68.5%

DL
SLC 87%
MSP 87%
ATL 86%
DTW 83%
LGA 77%

F9
LAS 90.5% -
MCO 86%
DEN 83%
ATL 82% - Surprised it is this high, I thought it would be rough
MIA 60%

NK
LAS 88%
MCO 87%
LAX 75.5%
FLL 72%
MYR 28% - only ran 2 flights then cut

UA
DEN 91%
IAH 89%
ORD 88.5%
IAD 83.5%
EWR 80%

WN - just a couple I did initially
JAX 95% - wonder if we could see some extra frequencies on this next year?
SAN 93.5%
LAX 92%
SNA 92%
SMF 91.5%
PHX 91%
LGB 89%

Is this for May?


Yes, whoops didn’t list the month.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:31 pm

Dropping parts on 11. N791SW

http://avherald.com/h?article=4fcf3378&opt=0

Looks like she is still here. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N791SW

I'd say a little more than losing a cowling!

Image

Short video https://www.facebook.com/69900879/videos/631557421645528/

Image
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:37 pm

TWA302 wrote:
Dropping parts on 11. N791SW

http://avherald.com/h?article=4fcf3378&opt=0

Looks like she is still here. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N791SW

I'd say a little more than losing a cowling!

Image

Short video https://www.facebook.com/69900879/videos/631557421645528/

Image

I'm really surprised no local news station covered that.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:41 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Dropping parts on 11. N791SW

http://avherald.com/h?article=4fcf3378&opt=0

Looks like she is still here. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N791SW

I'd say a little more than losing a cowling!

Image

Short video https://www.facebook.com/69900879/videos/631557421645528/

Image

I'm really surprised no local news station covered that.



I know, it seems ripe for the "Oh my god, we all thought we were going to die!" treatment that local news loves to give for situations like this
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:14 pm

STLflyer wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Dropping parts on 11. N791SW

http://avherald.com/h?article=4fcf3378&opt=0

Looks like she is still here. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N791SW

I'd say a little more than losing a cowling!

Image

Short video https://www.facebook.com/69900879/videos/631557421645528/

Image

I'm really surprised no local news station covered that.



I know, it seems ripe for the "Oh my god, we all thought we were going to die!" treatment that local news loves to give for situations like this


Or the national news! :roll: Any chance to bring a 737 incident into the lime light the better they feel. But you are right, local news is usually like buzzards on a gut wagon with these things. :banghead:
I wonder, being nearly 22 years in the WN fleet are they going to just repair/replace the engine or is she done? I know it depends on the extent of the damage but anyone that might be educated on this, feel free to chime in.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:21 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Loads for everyone besides WN

AS
SEA 91.5%

AA
PHX 91.5%
LAX 91.5% - really would like to see a 2nd back on this soon.
CLT 88%
ORD 87%
DFW 86.5%
MIA 85.5%
PHL 84.5%
DCA 83.5%
AUS 72%
LGA 68.5%
BOS 68.5%

DL
SLC 87%
MSP 87%
ATL 86%
DTW 83%
LGA 77%

F9
LAS 90.5% -
MCO 86%
DEN 83%
ATL 82% - Surprised it is this high, I thought it would be rough
MIA 60%

NK
LAS 88%
MCO 87%
LAX 75.5%
FLL 72%
MYR 28% - only ran 2 flights then cut

UA
DEN 91%
IAH 89%
ORD 88.5%
IAD 83.5%
EWR 80%

WN - just a couple I did initially
JAX 95% - wonder if we could see some extra frequencies on this next year?
SAN 93.5%
LAX 92%
SNA 92%
SMF 91.5%
PHX 91%
LGB 89%

Is this for May?


Kind of amazing WN has no nonstops to OAK/SFO/SJC.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:34 pm

psa1011 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Loads for everyone besides WN

AS
SEA 91.5%

AA
PHX 91.5%
LAX 91.5% - really would like to see a 2nd back on this soon.
CLT 88%
ORD 87%
DFW 86.5%
MIA 85.5%
PHL 84.5%
DCA 83.5%
AUS 72%
LGA 68.5%
BOS 68.5%

DL
SLC 87%
MSP 87%
ATL 86%
DTW 83%
LGA 77%

F9
LAS 90.5% -
MCO 86%
DEN 83%
ATL 82% - Surprised it is this high, I thought it would be rough
MIA 60%

NK
LAS 88%
MCO 87%
LAX 75.5%
FLL 72%
MYR 28% - only ran 2 flights then cut

UA
DEN 91%
IAH 89%
ORD 88.5%
IAD 83.5%
EWR 80%

WN - just a couple I did initially
JAX 95% - wonder if we could see some extra frequencies on this next year?
SAN 93.5%
LAX 92%
SNA 92%
SMF 91.5%
PHX 91%
LGB 89%

Is this for May?


Kind of amazing WN has no nonstops to OAK/SFO/SJC.


I am hopeful once they get their staffing fixed they come back. OAK/SJC were both supposed to be daily (or at least daily besides Saturday) for summer but then got caught in the cut back like a lot of longer routes and it only left SJC once a week. At least Sept/Oct has SJC daily and OAK once a week.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 17, 2022 5:04 am

psa1011 wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Loads for everyone besides WN

AS
SEA 91.5%

AA
PHX 91.5%
LAX 91.5% - really would like to see a 2nd back on this soon.
CLT 88%
ORD 87%
DFW 86.5%
MIA 85.5%
PHL 84.5%
DCA 83.5%
AUS 72%
LGA 68.5%
BOS 68.5%

DL
SLC 87%
MSP 87%
ATL 86%
DTW 83%
LGA 77%

F9
LAS 90.5% -
MCO 86%
DEN 83%
ATL 82% - Surprised it is this high, I thought it would be rough
MIA 60%

NK
LAS 88%
MCO 87%
LAX 75.5%
FLL 72%
MYR 28% - only ran 2 flights then cut

UA
DEN 91%
IAH 89%
ORD 88.5%
IAD 83.5%
EWR 80%

WN - just a couple I did initially
JAX 95% - wonder if we could see some extra frequencies on this next year?
SAN 93.5%
LAX 92%
SNA 92%
SMF 91.5%
PHX 91%
LGB 89%

Is this for May?


Kind of amazing WN has no nonstops to OAK/SFO/SJC.


Most of the long hauls in their pre-Covid network haven’t been restored. And in restored markets, frequencies are minimal (i.e. BWI-LAX went from several daily nonstops to just one).
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 17, 2022 4:57 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Mannoroth wrote:
Thinking about bit about how AA may grow both domestically and internationally in 2023 and see several things possibly happening.

Domestic:
AUS/BOS officially focus cities
IND/RDU get more p2p routes (including IND-MEM/MSY/MCI/RDU, RDU-BUF/MEM/JAX/MCI/STL)
Other p2p routes such as CVG-STL, MEM-TPA/MSY, OKC-BNA


Tough for me to see IND-MCI and CVG-STL happening.


I agree that AA adding STL-CVG nonstop service is unlikely to happen as
(a) the only reason for AA to add STL-CVG nonstop service would be to capture STL-CVG O&D traffic,
(b) AA already serves AUS/BOS/CLT/ORD/DFW/MIA/LGA/PHL/DCA nonstop from both CVG and STL,
(c) AA will be serving PHX nonstop from both CVG and STL with AA CVG-PHX nonstop service resuming on 9/8/2022,
(d) plenty of one-stop connecting options already there on AA to LAX from CVG through AUS/ORD/DFW/PHX,
(e) plenty of one-stop connecting options already there on AA to JFK/RDU from STL through CLT/ORD/DCA, and
(f) WN had O&D PDEW's of less than 40 passengers/day on routes such as STL-DSM/MCI/LIT/MKE/OKC/OMA/TUL/ICT in Q1 2022, whereas AA would likely need more STL-CVG O&D traffic to justify AA adding STL-CVG p2p nonstop service.

Here were the O&D PDEW's of STL-DSM/MCI/LIT/MKE/OKC/OMA/TUL/ICT in Q1 2022:
STL-OKC - 39 (PDEW of 30 on WN)
STL-OMA - 39 (PDEW of 34 on WN)
STL-MKE - 37 (PDEW of 31 on WN)
STL-MCI - 27 (PDEW of 27 on WN)
STL-TUL - 20 (PDEW of 17 on WN)
STL-LIT - 19 (PDEW of 19 on WN)
STL-ICT - 19 (PDEW of 16 on WN)
STL-DSM - 16 (PDEW of 14 on WN)

The average O&D PDEW of STL-CVG was 45 passengers/day in 2019, and CVG can likely support WN nonstop service out of STL if WN can stimulate STL-CVG O&D demand with the addition of WN STL-CVG nonstop service.

The O&D PDEW of STL-CVG was only 8 passengers/day in Q1 2022, which is nowhere near enough O&D demand to justify AA STL-CVG p2p nonstop service.

If STL-CVG nonstop service is added by WN, WN would also likely have significantly more connecting traffic on STL-CVG than what AA would be getting on AA STL-CVG p2p nonstop service.

There would also be connecting opportunities available through STL on WN to destinations that AA doesn't serve nonstop from STL such as ATL, DEN, DSM, HOU, LIT, MCI, MKE, MSP, MSY, OKC, OMA, MCO, SAT, SAN, TPA, TUL, and ICT.

WN also already has a significant FF base in the STL market to support STL-CVG nonstop service on WN.

WN would also be more likely to be successful on STL-CVG nonstop service than AA would be on STL-CVG p2p nonstop service with WN being able to more easily fill STL-CVG nonstop flights with the connecting opportunities that would be there through STL on WN.
 
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Re: St. Louis Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:28 pm

BLV updates

Adding covered premium parking. Covers wil be solar panels.

A new concession company is coming in. Tailwinds will add a gift shop and food/drink options on the non secure side. Looks like they have a fair amount of contracts at smaller airports.

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