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Re: Only 3 to Go: Atlas Air takes one of the last 747's to be build

Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:13 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
747classic wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
So, what's the status of the final frame ( LN1574)?

Has she reached final body join yet?


L/N 1573 is since 21 July at the final body join position.
L/N 1574 is probably at the Wing to body join position, ( where the center wing structure is mated with both wings.)

Wing to body join position (first 3 747-8F's)
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Copyright Boeing.

You meant, last 3 747-8Fs, right?


That picture is of the first three test-bed 747-8 on the line, see the URL for info. Factory looks different from that picture as of today too, IIRC.
 
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Re: Only 3 to Go: Atlas Air takes one of the last 747's to be build

Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:07 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
You meant, last 3 747-8Fs, right?


The picture was only added to indicate how the wing to body join position looks.
It's as indicated above the picture a picture of the first three produced wing to body join(s) for L/N 1420, 1421 and 1422.
 
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Re: Only 3 to Go: Atlas Air takes one of the last 747's to be build

Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:31 pm

Wouldn't be surprised if the next AF1 in the late 2050s is a twinjet where they modify the plane to take four engines, sort of like the A330/A340 situation. Wouldn't prohibitively difficult if they wanted to pony up the $$$.
 
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Re: Only 3 to Go: Atlas Air takes one of the last 747's to be build

Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:47 pm

pjc747 wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if the next AF1 in the late 2050s is a twinjet where they modify the plane to take four engines, sort of like the A330/A340 situation. Wouldn't prohibitively difficult if they wanted to pony up the $$$.


Yes, yes, it would be prohibitively difficult and extremely expensive to reengineer, test, and certify a twinjet currently in production, to add more engines. Especially for only two frames. The 330/340 were planned from the beginning to be developed and sold in tandem, by the hundreds.

We're talking in the $BILLIONS and congress won't go for that.
 
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Re: Only 3 to Go: Atlas Air takes one of the last 747's to be build

Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:34 am

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Joe Sutter was something you don't see any more. The 747 exists because he had the cojones to stand up to Boeing management when they tried to do something stupid that would have screwed up the program.


It really is thanks to him and Juan trippe. Wouldn’t have been for both of their handshakes (which was more trustworthy then their contract to both of them) and past experiences together (the Boeing 377 being a failure in terms of sales, plus the B707 changes which Juan wanted which if it weren’t for him would have had no sales).

No Pan Am = No 747


Charles Lindbergh also had a lot to say about 747 purchase and specs decisions.
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:01 am

747classic wrote:
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Did anyone read Boeing's second quarter results and check for any discussion of the repurchase of N458BJ? Could be non-material pricing doesn't require mention but it struck me as a strategic move of great interest to shareholders. Oh well we shall learn eventually.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/452641 ... transcript
seems like no-one cared about 747 enough to ask
Presentation's brevity is its main virtue
https://seekingalpha.com/article/452662 ... esentation
12 slides all in all, including cover, advertising, logo and disclaimer pages
commercial got a grand total of one slide + a special slide dedicated to MAX at the end.
Again, no word of 747
A bit of general "we are big in freighters".
FWIW


N458BJ has been purchased by Boeing Capital Corporation (BBC), a wholly-owned subsidiary of The Boeing Company, so the BBC aircraft inventory will never be noted in detail in the Boeing quarterly results.



I was thinking that a repurchase price of some number of Millions could trigger mandatory note to the financials. Based on materiality. Would the rumored 95M or higher be enough of trigger number. Capex for Boeing runs between 1B to 2B. Not sure how GAAP forces the hand of Boeing's CFO. May not be voluntary and would consolidate all the wholly owned subs. How does Boeing account for other repurchases from airlines that return AC?
 
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Re: Only 3 to Go: Atlas Air takes one of the last 747's to be build

Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:26 am

CMA727 wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
Nomadd wrote:
Joe Sutter was something you don't see any more. The 747 exists because he had the cojones to stand up to Boeing management when they tried to do something stupid that would have screwed up the program.


It really is thanks to him and Juan trippe. Wouldn’t have been for both of their handshakes (which was more trustworthy then their contract to both of them) and past experiences together (the Boeing 377 being a failure in terms of sales, plus the B707 changes which Juan wanted which if it weren’t for him would have had no sales).

No Pan Am = No 747


Charles Lindbergh also had a lot to say about 747 purchase and specs decisions.


Well he was part of Pan Am.

Wish we had some similar stories today about innovation in the industry as a transfer over to space travel becomes our next focus.
 
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Re: Only 3 to Go: Atlas Air takes one of the last 747's to be build

Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:25 pm

lesfalls wrote:
CMA727 wrote:
lesfalls wrote:

It really is thanks to him and Juan trippe. Wouldn’t have been for both of their handshakes (which was more trustworthy then their contract to both of them) and past experiences together (the Boeing 377 being a failure in terms of sales, plus the B707 changes which Juan wanted which if it weren’t for him would have had no sales).

No Pan Am = No 747


Charles Lindbergh also had a lot to say about 747 purchase and specs decisions.


Well he was part of Pan Am.

Wish we had some similar stories today about innovation in the industry as a transfer over to space travel becomes our next focus.


Lindbergh was one of Juan Trippe´s closest advisors and Trippe listened to him while making the decision to order or not the 747 and/or SST´s.. While the 747 was being developed, Lindbergh was a frequent visitor at Boeing.
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:05 am

N861GT, flight plan for a first (B1) flight was filed, however only some taxi tests were performed at August 18th.

N861GT, KPAE, August 18th 2022
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Original uploaded by Jennifer Schuld at twitter, for more pics, see : https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/15 ... 8081725440

Aircrafr data : L/N 1572, 747-8F, RC702, Atlas Air(Volga Dnepr NTU), serial number 67148, N861GT , final body join May 12 2022 , roll out July 31 /August 01th 2022
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Fri Aug 19, 2022 3:37 pm

L/N 1572 delivery is most probable in September, not earlier.
Two more airframes to go.
Schedule is clearly slipping from the original announcement:

https://www.atlasairworldwide.com/2021/ ... reighters/
"The 747-8Fs are expected to be delivered from May through October 2022. These aircraft are the last four 747-8Fs that Boeing plans to produce."

Missed capacity for the "peak"?
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:44 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
Missed capacity for the "peak"?


September and October would be a good time to add them if they are to be used for the "Apple Airlift" post-iPhone 14 and iPad 10 launch next month since Apple will be shipping tens of millions of units through the Holidays.
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:25 am

N861GT made her first (B1) flight at August 19th with callsign BOE702, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N86 ... /KPAE/KMWH

N861GT, KPAE, August 19th 2022
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Original uploaded by Jennifer Schuld at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/15 ... 1450372097

Scheduled for a ferry flight to the Portland paint hangar at August 20th.
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:13 am

Phosphorus wrote:
L/N 1572 delivery is most probable in September, not earlier.
Two more airframes to go.
Schedule is clearly slipping from the original announcement:

https://www.atlasairworldwide.com/2021/ ... reighters/
"The 747-8Fs are expected to be delivered from May through October 2022. These aircraft are the last four 747-8Fs that Boeing plans to produce."

Missed capacity for the "peak"?


L/N 1573 is scheduled for a September 4 roll-out, according the mostly well informed Matt Cawby, see his Paine Field blog of August 19th.
See : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2022/08/paine- ... st-19.html
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:09 am

N861GT was ferried to Portland for paint at August 21th, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N86 ... /KPAE/KPDX
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:32 am

747classic wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:
L/N 1572 delivery is most probable in September, not earlier.
Two more airframes to go.
Schedule is clearly slipping from the original announcement:

https://www.atlasairworldwide.com/2021/ ... reighters/
"The 747-8Fs are expected to be delivered from May through October 2022. These aircraft are the last four 747-8Fs that Boeing plans to produce."

Missed capacity for the "peak"?


L/N 1573 is scheduled for a September 4 roll-out, according the mostly well informed Matt Cawby, see his Paine Field blog of August 19th.
See : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2022/08/paine- ... st-19.html

Judging from a September 4th rollout for 1573, then maybe could Boeing meet October 2022 as an end? Maybe late October or early November?
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:02 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
747classic wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:
L/N 1572 delivery is most probable in September, not earlier.
Two more airframes to go.
Schedule is clearly slipping from the original announcement:

https://www.atlasairworldwide.com/2021/ ... reighters/
"The 747-8Fs are expected to be delivered from May through October 2022. These aircraft are the last four 747-8Fs that Boeing plans to produce."

Missed capacity for the "peak"?


L/N 1573 is scheduled for a September 4 roll-out, according the mostly well informed Matt Cawby, see his Paine Field blog of August 19th.
See : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2022/08/paine- ... st-19.html

Judging from a September 4th rollout for 1573, then maybe could Boeing meet October 2022 as an end? Maybe late October or early November?

That would be a very fast spurt. A dash. They take two months on average for each of those things, to roll them out. Then a few weeks before first flight. Then two weeks in a paint shop.
I'm not ruling out anything, not enough knowledge to do so. but...

But observation shows that they seem to be taking their sweet time, and everything moves to the right along time axis.
A year ago, or so, I speculated that they needed a little bit of speeding up to make it to the October deadline. Instead, it was slipping.
So, they'd need to reverse already entrenched trend of "slowly, slowly, prodding towards the end" and radically speed up things...
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:40 pm

the last planes of a production run are a real pain. If something doesn't fit or is damaged there is no stock from which to draw a replacement. Every oops has to be reviewed by engineers and and hand reworked. no new engineering is created, this build by rejection tag territory. (occasionally there might be a part is spares inventory, but the chances are slim.) all the supporting vendors have shut down their processes and purged non spare-able items.. So mechanics are extra careful and dates are fluid. the date only matters to anal accountant types.
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:11 am

A friend invited me along for Boeing Family Day last Sunday (8/21). Poking around, we found ln 1573 and 1574 still on the assembly line, mixed in with 767 freighters and KC-46s. 1574 is still in sections, and has not been joined yet.
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:09 am

dlednicer wrote:
A friend invited me along for Boeing Family Day last Sunday (8/21). Poking around, we found ln 1573 and 1574 still on the assembly line, mixed in with 767 freighters and KC-46s. 1574 is still in sections, and has not been joined yet.


Your observation exactly matches with the latest available data :
L/N 1573, 747-8F, RC703, Atlas Air(Volga Dnepr NTU), serial number 67149, N862GT, final body join July 21th 2022, expected roll-out September 04th 2022.
L/N 1574, 747-8F, RC704, Atlas Air(Volga Dnepr NTU), serial number 67150, N863GT
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:34 am

A first picture of sections 41/42 of the last 747, L/N 1574 at the systems installation area inside building 40-22 (747 FAL)
No final body join yet .
See Matt Cawby 's Paine Field blog of August 23 : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2022/08/paine- ... st-23.html
Direct link : http://paineairport.com/images/kpae20187w.png
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 24, 2022 7:22 am

What is that big construction site on the ground floor in front of the picture good for? 777X?
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 24, 2022 1:01 pm

747classic wrote:
A first picture of sections 41/42 of the last 747, L/N 1574 at the systems installation area inside building 40-22 (747 FAL)
No final body join yet .
See Matt Cawby 's Paine Field blog of August 23 : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2022/08/paine- ... st-23.html
Direct link : http://paineairport.com/images/kpae20187w.png

Last time we’ll ever see a 747 in that process. May the queen fly forever
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 24, 2022 7:09 pm

747classic wrote:
A first picture of sections 41/42 of the last 747, L/N 1574 at the systems installation area inside building 40-22 (747 FAL)
No final body join yet .
See Matt Cawby 's Paine Field blog of August 23 : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2022/08/paine- ... st-23.html
Direct link : http://paineairport.com/images/kpae20187w.png

Do we know, how much time, with the normal work flow, is between what we are seeing now, and a rollout?
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:56 am

Phosphorus wrote:
747classic wrote:
A first picture of sections 41/42 of the last 747, L/N 1574 at the systems installation area inside building 40-22 (747 FAL)
No final body join yet .
See Matt Cawby 's Paine Field blog of August 23 : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2022/08/paine- ... st-23.html
Direct link : http://paineairport.com/images/kpae20187w.png

Do we know, how much time, with the normal work flow, is between what we are seeing now, and a rollout?


The answer is simple : no, because the work flow will be different at this last aircraft.
As stated by member Kanban (AFAIK a retired Boeing engineer): if something doesn't fit, is out of tolerance or even not available (nothing found at the shelve in the store !!), the actual assembly time of this last 747 may be very difficult to predict.
After the final body join , a lot of traveled work may have to be dealt with, increasing the time until the actual roll-out.
Perhaps a few items may even be installed after roll-out, or some issues may pop up at the flight line or after the usual test flights, with limited spare availability.
We will see if this last aircraft wil be delivered before the cargo peak, my vote is for : last part of November. :white:

Note : the last optional Telair Cargo main deck loading System (BFE= Buyer furnished equipment) for L/N1574 was sent to Everett just in time,
see : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ear9F2Wr95I
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 27, 2022 7:58 pm

SU-EGY Was ferried from Hamburg to Shannon for supposed painting and successful VIP Conversion on 26 August.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SUEGY
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:15 am

rturner wrote:
SU-EGY Was ferried from Hamburg to Shannon for supposed painting and successful VIP Conversion on 26 August.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SUEGY


SU-EGY, SNN, August 26th 2022
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:08 am

N861GT was ferried back from Portland to Paine Field via Moses lake, after paint at 4 September, see : https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... t#2d56f4ec

N861GT, KPAE, 4 September 2022
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Original uploaded by Baqir at twitter, see : https://mobile.twitter.com/Baqir_KPAE/s ... 7954293760

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Original uploaded by Jennifer Schuld at twitter, for more pictures see : https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/15 ... 6577869824
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Sat Sep 10, 2022 5:22 am

N861GT, shot from another angle, KPAE, back from another test flight, 9 September 2022
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Mon Sep 12, 2022 8:49 am

The next (engineering for specific tests ?) test flight of N861GT at September 11th with callsign BOE702 was operated with temporally test registration N8571B

N8571B (N862GT), KPAE, September 11th 2022
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Original uploaded by Chris Lee at twitter, see : https://mobile.twitter.com/propandkeros ... 2493903872
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:21 pm

747classic wrote:

N8571B (N862GT), KPAE, September 11th 2022

Correction : N8571B (N861GT), KPAE, September 11th 2022
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:35 pm

Did LN 1573 roll out of the factory yet? Upthread mentioned a 4Sep rollout date ??????
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:14 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
Did LN 1573 roll out of the factory yet? Upthread mentioned a 4Sep rollout date ??????


As also mentioned upthread : traveled work, missing parts or available parts out of tolerance ?
Difficult to predict when she will actually emerge from the factory.
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:29 am

Matt Cawby notes in his blog post of September 16 2022 that wing-body join for LN 1574 was to begin that night. If it typically takes more than two months for final body join then the rollout of LN 1574 would not be before the last week of November.

No report (yet) of LN 1573 having rolled out.

Also, LN 1572, which conducted some test flights after return from paint does not appear to have flown again since September 12 (more than a week) assuming they are using BOE702 as call sign.
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:12 am

WestWing wrote:
Matt Cawby notes in his blog post of September 16 2022 that wing-body join for LN 1574 was to begin that night. If it typically takes more than two months for final body join then the rollout of LN 1574 would not be before the last week of November.

No report (yet) of LN 1573 having rolled out.

Also, LN 1572, which conducted some test flights after return from paint does not appear to have flown again since September 12 (more than a week) assuming they are using BOE702 as call sign.

Indeed they are slipping very far from their original Oct. 2022 date.

For ending programs, how far till the end do they announce the roll out date of the final frame? I kinda want to go to Seattle over Christmas or thanksgiving break just to take a glimpse at the final 747.
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:48 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
WestWing wrote:
Matt Cawby notes in his blog post of September 16 2022 that wing-body join for LN 1574 was to begin that night. If it typically takes more than two months for final body join then the rollout of LN 1574 would not be before the last week of November.

No report (yet) of LN 1573 having rolled out.

Also, LN 1572, which conducted some test flights after return from paint does not appear to have flown again since September 12 (more than a week) assuming they are using BOE702 as call sign.

Indeed they are slipping very far from their original Oct. 2022 date.

For ending programs, how far till the end do they announce the roll out date of the final frame? I kinda want to go to Seattle over Christmas or thanksgiving break just to take a glimpse at the final 747.

The way things are going, you might actually get your wish.
If that's what happens however, that's a lot of revenue lost for Atlas during the hot shipping season (meaning, not you going there gonna cost'em; it's you finding that 747 there, of course :) )
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:59 pm

It’ll be cool if they manage to drag the 1st 747 over and put it next to the last…..
 
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Re: Only 3 to Go: Atlas Air takes one of the last 747's to be build

Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:41 pm

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N47 wrote:
IADCA wrote:

Thanks. That seems absurd and choosing theatrical budget machinations over mission-critical capabilities, but that's what you get with that decision-making team.


I could be wrong but i dont think the air refueling capabilities were ever used on the 742 version of the AF1 in practice. I dont remember if on 9/11 they refueled mid-air. Given the considerable range increase of the 748 (vs 742) i can see why USAF didnt consider mid-air refueling mission critical.

I like to imagine that the 747 airplane inspired a lot of people to go into aviation mostly as pilots but also engineers and the likes.

I wonder if Atlas will ever replace its passanger 744s with second hand 748s.


Correct. The VC-25A has never been refueled in flight operationally, with or without a President on board (officially making it Air Force One). I believe Boeing did test both frames before delivery to USAF, but am happy to be corrected on that fact. It should also be noted that all ‘Air Force One’ pilots DO keep their certifications for in-flight refueling current by practicing on one of the E-4B aircraft, in case the need ever arises. And, it goes without saying, the aircraft systems are maintained as if they will be used.


I’ve also read multiple sources that say the VC-25A was never a2a refuelled, hence why the AF dropped the requirement for the VC-25B.
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:10 pm

The dropping of A2A was ordered by the former POTUS to get the price down and the military brass agreed (no spine !)
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:12 am

747classic wrote:
The dropping of A2A was ordered by the former POTUS to get the price down and the military brass agreed (no spine !)


That's pathetic.
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:32 am

744SPX wrote:
747classic wrote:
The dropping of A2A was ordered by the former POTUS to get the price down and the military brass agreed (no spine !)


That's pathetic.


Tbh, if they never used it for 35 years and the new jet has a global range, the only reason I can think they would need it would be in case of a nuclear attack on the US, and, I mean, what's the likelihood of that?? The jet stays fully fuelled almost 24/7 anyways. unless it's going into a runway restricted area. it's not like there will ever be a situation where they are going to need to take off without that global range.
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:41 am

744SPX wrote:
747classic wrote:
The dropping of A2A was ordered by the former POTUS to get the price down and the military brass agreed (no spine !)


That's pathetic.


See : https://www.businessinsider.com/congres ... &r=US&IR=T
and numerous other sources.
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:49 am

A2A would be my No. 1 requirement. If it doesn't have it, it must get installed. I hope they did it and just don't talk about it. President Bush was said to have used real A2A refueling on a surprise visit to Iraq. IIRC going back on the first segment or similar. USAF trained it all the time.
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:55 am

SU-EGY was ferried back SNN-HAM after paint, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SUE ... /EINN/EDDH

SU-EGY, HAM, Septem 21th 2022
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Original uploaded by Robert LN at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/RobertLN_/status/15 ... 3449525249

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Original uploaded by Dirk Grothe at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/digro65/status/1572607440251932674
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:17 am

747classic wrote:
SU-EGY was ferried back SNN-HAM after paint, ...


Hmm. Rather old-fashioned look. Doesn´t look fresh. Why this unattractive dull brownish grey lower half and not sandstone like the famous old temples of Egypt?
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:27 am

I like the grey belly and I love the fact that there is none of those terrible whale "wave" patterns or similar on the aircraft.
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:59 pm

Noshow wrote:
President Bush was said to have used real A2A refueling on a surprise visit to Iraq.


The stage length from Andrews AFB to Baghdad International is well within the range of the VC-25A and the flight was lightly loaded for a normal Presidential Flight.



If a large-scale nuclear attack on the continental United States happens, the President would be on an E-4B Nightwatch (or it's replacement), which has air-to-air refueling. And even if it cooks off when the President is in the air in the VC-25B, chances are high they could divert to a location and transfer him to an E-4B or a C-32B Gatekeeper (which has an advanced communications suite and can support aerial refueling).
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:04 pm

IIRC he refueled on the way back or similar, maybe to avoid ground refueling at the destination? It was a surprise trip during the more hot conflict days.

We seem to agree how important the air-to-air refueling capability is.
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:03 pm

Please continue VC-25B discussion here:

USAF VC-25B News and Discussion Thread
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:39 am

According the well informed Matt Cawby the last 747-8F, L/N 1574, is scheduled to enter the final body join position at October 03th 2022.
See (scroll down ) Matt Cawby's Sept 23th 2022 Paine Field blog : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2022/09/paine- ... er-23.html

Aircraft data : L/N 1574, 747-8F, RC704, Atlas Air (Volga Dnepr NTU), serial number 67150, N863GT, scheduled for final body join October 3th 2022
 
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Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

Sat Sep 24, 2022 2:54 pm

That will really be the final body join…
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