Midwestindy wrote:

Q4 2021 Consumer Airfare report:

IND-SAN was 122 PDEW with airfares up 19%
IND-RDU was 88 PDEW with airfares down 13%
IND-SLC was 81 PDEW with airfares down 2%
IND-JAX was 77 PDEW with airfares up 12%
IND-SAT was 62 PDEW with airfares up 16%
IND-PDX was 62 PDEW with airfares down 1%
IND-SMF was 54 PDEW with airfares down 4%
IND-MSY was 51 PDEW with airfares up 15%
IND-CHS was 50 PDEW with airfares down 15%

IND-BDL was 40 PDEW, IND-MCI was 36 PDEW

AA was the largest in 9 of the top 25 markets, WN was largest in 7, DL was largest in 5

https://data.transportation.gov/Aviatio ... -b2ir/data

Some good stats. Seems INDY and this part of the Midwest is managing to mitigate the inflationary price pressures and escalations a little bit better than much of the nations other airports.

DL September-October update:

IND-ATL remains all B757
IND-BOS mainline pushed back to November
IND-MSP sees 2 A321s
IND-DTW also keeps 1 A321

UA September
IND-ORD back up to 6x, with mainline back 1xB737
IND-DEN/SFO/IAH remain all mainline

F9
IND-CUN pushed to Mid-July (Doubtful it flies this summer)
IND-MCO upguaged to A321
(IND-RDU seems to struggling, lots of $49 fares available, CVG/CLE-RDU are the same or worse though)

G4 extended their schedule through winter:

IND-PBI/PSP are still gone from the schedule
IND-CHS/MYR ends for the season in August
IND-BOS/LAX ends for the season in November
IND-VPS ends for the season in October
IND-SAV ends for season in September

Looks like there is room for another route to be added, given the aircraft scheduling.

March 2022 was 92.7% of March 2019 emplacements:

Looks like Contour's BNA-IND was in the mid-60s LF wise, with IND-BNA being a little worse. Contour's passenger count almost doubled from February to March.

% of March 2019 enplanements

NK-642.5%
G4-103.1%
UA-101.2%
AA-99.6%
AS-98.7%
F9-85.9%
WN-77.2%
DL-70.3%

YTD
SNA-2,264,569
MCI-1,972,377
IND-1,940,798
CLE-1,878,068
PIT-1,624,157
CMH-1,561,487

CVG/SAT/SJC- not up-to-date
https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... 0503151148

Sucks staffing issues might cause the summer numbers to be worse than what they could have been.

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Midwestindy wrote:

DL September-October update:

IND-ATL remains all B757
IND-BOS mainline pushed back to November
IND-MSP sees 2 A321s
IND-DTW also keeps 1 A321

UA September
IND-ORD back up to 6x, with mainline back 1xB737
IND-DEN/SFO/IAH remain all mainline

F9
IND-CUN pushed to Mid-July (Doubtful it flies this summer)
IND-MCO upguaged to A321
(IND-RDU seems to struggling, lots of $49 fares available, CVG/CLE-RDU are the same or worse though)

When does the 757 to ATL begin, as of now it seems a mix of A320/321s and 737s.

jetskipper wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

DL September-October update:

IND-ATL remains all B757
IND-BOS mainline pushed back to November
IND-MSP sees 2 A321s
IND-DTW also keeps 1 A321

UA September
IND-ORD back up to 6x, with mainline back 1xB737
IND-DEN/SFO/IAH remain all mainline

F9
IND-CUN pushed to Mid-July (Doubtful it flies this summer)
IND-MCO upguaged to A321
(IND-RDU seems to struggling, lots of $49 fares available, CVG/CLE-RDU are the same or worse though)

When does the 757 to ATL begin, as of now it seems a mix of A320/321s and 737s.

June 6th. Nice to see Delta is giving us some eye candy.

Anyone know when AS to SEA goes 2X daily.
Also does SFO on UA goes 2X at All?

AC resumption today! Flight to YYZ is sold out!

bringbackATA wrote:

AC resumption today! Flight to YYZ is sold out!

Interesting that they say "As of the end of March, more than 20,000 passengers have flown internationally through Indy, a 205 percent increase over the same time period last year"

https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/p ... or-toronto

I wonder what the breakdown is. I would guess CUN and other beach destinations are where people are going.

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ibthebigd wrote:

I wonder what the breakdown is. I would guess CUN and other beach destinations are where people are going.

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I’d imagine it’s CUN,CUN,CUN

While capacity remains higher than some other airports, IND getting hit hard as of late on these smaller routes:

G4's IND-LAX taken completely off the schedule, G4's IND-BOS ends in early August. Plus PBI & PSP were lost.
Than there is obviously WN's summer cuts of IND-MYR/SAN. We'll see if MIA makes a return in the upcoming schedule release
DL's IND-SLC/SEA cuts
NK's PNS/MYR/RSW/TPA cuts

Maybe more of these thinner routes will return in 2023

Midwestindy wrote:

While capacity remains higher than some other airports, IND getting hit hard as of late on these smaller routes:

G4's IND-LAX taken completely off the schedule, G4's IND-BOS ends in early August. Plus PBI & PSP were lost.
Than there is obviously WN's summer cuts of IND-MYR/SAN. We'll see if MIA makes a return in the upcoming schedule release
DL's IND-SLC/SEA cuts
NK's PNS/MYR/RSW/TPA cuts

Maybe more of these thinner routes will return in 2023

My rather pessimistic predictions for IND in 2022 seem to be mostly coming true.

Midwestindy wrote:

While capacity remains higher than some other airports, IND getting hit hard as of late on these smaller routes:

G4's IND-LAX taken completely off the schedule, G4's IND-BOS ends in early August. Plus PBI & PSP were lost.
Than there is obviously WN's summer cuts of IND-MYR/SAN. We'll see if MIA makes a return in the upcoming schedule release
DL's IND-SLC/SEA cuts
NK's PNS/MYR/RSW/TPA cuts

Maybe more of these thinner routes will return in 2023

For G4 specifically, they're the unfortunate punching ball between AA and DL. Me thinks they might make a return once the victor takes the spoils on these 2 routes.

BangersAndMash wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

While capacity remains higher than some other airports, IND getting hit hard as of late on these smaller routes:
G4's IND-LAX taken completely off the schedule, G4's IND-BOS ends in early August.

For G4 specifically, they're the unfortunate punching ball between AA and DL. Me thinks they might make a return once the victor takes the spoils on these 2 routes.

NK adding IND-LAX nonstop service might be a possibility with NK already serving LAX nonstop from some other nearby markets such as ORD, CMH, DTW, SDF, and STL.

WN re-adding IND-LAX nonstop service might also be a possibility once WN has more staff and more planes with WN having originally planned on serving LAX nonstop from IND in Summer 2020 until the COVID-19 pandemic hit along with WN having previously stated that it wants to restore more of its network.

BangersAndMash wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

While capacity remains higher than some other airports, IND getting hit hard as of late on these smaller routes:

G4's IND-LAX taken completely off the schedule, G4's IND-BOS ends in early August. Plus PBI & PSP were lost.
Than there is obviously WN's summer cuts of IND-MYR/SAN. We'll see if MIA makes a return in the upcoming schedule release
DL's IND-SLC/SEA cuts
NK's PNS/MYR/RSW/TPA cuts

Maybe more of these thinner routes will return in 2023

For G4 specifically, they're the unfortunate punching ball between AA and DL. Me thinks they might make a return once the victor takes the spoils on these 2 routes.

There is more than enough room for 2 legacy carriers on IND-LAX. Last summer, even with COVID still looming, Q3 averaged 444 PDEW on that route.

Let's see the number of people who pony up $700+ to fly nonstop on IND-LAX this summer - which is where the prices stand, right now, on average. Sometimes, even more.

You can shave off roughly two hundred with a connection.

There's also insane $600-ish routings on Google flights via Allegiant -
The outbound is to Destin - sit for 7 hours - then to Wichita - sit for 20 hours - then to Los Angeles.
The return is LAX to Shreveport - sit for 9 hours - then to Destin - sit for 19 hours - then to Indianapolis.
It's insane because someone has actually gone to the lengths of looking this up to potential book it - or has actually booked it.

stlgph wrote:

Let's see the number of people who pony up $700+ to fly nonstop on IND-LAX this summer - which is where the prices stand, right now, on average. Sometimes, even more.

You can shave off roughly two hundred with a connection.

There's also insane $600-ish routings on Google flights via Allegiant -
The outbound is to Destin - sit for 7 hours - then to Wichita - sit for 20 hours - then to Los Angeles.
The return is LAX to Shreveport - sit for 9 hours - then to Destin - sit for 19 hours - then to Indianapolis.
It's insane because someone has actually gone to the lengths of looking this up to potential book it - or has actually booked it.

I booked American LAX-IND with a connection through ORD (the nonstop is too early in the day for me). At the time I booked the Delta redeye non-stop was 10 dollars cheaper but I had AA credit so ultimately I booked AA instead. Not surprised to see the prices that high now 2 months after I booked (this flight is on June 20) so I would imagine the nonstops were getting booked at a higher rate resulting in the fares right now (June and July aren't too far out now). For comparison, my flight costs 250 dollars (before the flight credit) while the Delta nonstop was 240ish dollars. In hindsight, I wish I would have booked the Alaska LAX-SEA-IND originally (175 dollars around 3 months out) as my original Allegiant flight was canceled and at the time of booking the Allegiant replacement DL (nonstop) and AA (connection) were the cheapest redeye options. Also, note all of these figures are one-way pricing.

Alaska's website for that June 20 date even pushes you to fly AA as it's the cheaper option than going through Seattle.
Good thing you booked when you did. Enjoy the trip...have fun at O'Hare....and bring the sunscreen.

stlgph wrote:

Let's see the number of people who pony up $700+ to fly nonstop on IND-LAX this summer - which is where the prices stand, right now, on average. Sometimes, even more.

You can shave off roughly two hundred with a connection.

There's also insane $600-ish routings on Google flights via Allegiant -
The outbound is to Destin - sit for 7 hours - then to Wichita - sit for 20 hours - then to Los Angeles.
The return is LAX to Shreveport - sit for 9 hours - then to Destin - sit for 19 hours - then to Indianapolis.
It's insane because someone has actually gone to the lengths of looking this up to potential book it - or has actually booked it.

If you want to see expensive, check out the SEA flight prices from some of the midwestern cities. I've seeing crazy fares on some of these routes for weeks, as there is such little amounts of capacity in the market relative to demand.

This is WN's "low fare" calendar for a one way

Good find.
That's insane and a half.

Keep an eye on this for sure - be interesting to see how this all plays out.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes but the airlines are one of, if not the smartest industries when it comes to pricing. We are all paying more than ever but the planes are jammed. Why shouldn’t they charge those fares If bookings are looking strong.

ncflyer wrote:

Yes but the airlines are one of, if not the smartest industries when it comes to pricing. We are all paying more than ever but the planes are jammed. Why shouldn’t they charge those fares If bookings are looking strong.

Agree with this. The prices are that high because they already are mostly full.

ncflyer wrote:

Yes but the airlines are one of, if not the smartest industries when it comes to pricing. We are all paying more than ever but the planes are jammed. Why shouldn’t they charge those fares If bookings are looking strong.

Yeah, that’s the point we were making…

Doesn’t make it any less crazy that flight prices are 2x 2019 levels on many routes.

Jshank83 wrote:

ncflyer wrote:

Yes but the airlines are one of, if not the smartest industries when it comes to pricing. We are all paying more than ever but the planes are jammed. Why shouldn’t they charge those fares If bookings are looking strong.

Agree with this. The prices are that high because they already are mostly full.

Yeah, I really don’t think there is that much demand for these flights at these prices, it’s a capacity issue:

It’s not like average person is willing to pay 2x-2.5x-3x-etc more for a trip than they were willing to pay in 2019. The vast majority of these flights are already full and were booked at much lower fare levels.

Flights are so full for the summer already because they over-cut schedules in response to staffing and fuel.

For example, CVG-SEA went from 4 flights down to 2, so all those pax who booked those cancelled flights are now crammed onto the 2 remaining flights. Even the vast majority of DL’s CVG-SEA flights in June have < 7 seats available.

CLE, CMH, CVG, & IND are way outpacing the nation (all 4 are top 13 in the world vs. 2019) in recovery in search traffic for example. So they probably should have received less cuts than they got.

https://www.kayak.com/flight-trends

Current random sampling of *open* coach seats for sale IND-LAX for the summer.
(out of 160 coach available)

June 23 58/160
June 27 52/160
July 8 100/160
July 12 86/160
July 17 119/160
July 18 117/160
Aug 1 126/160
Aug 10 148/160
Aug 19 142/160

As of now - June, July, August dates appear to be pretty reflective of each other for other June, July, August dates.

Midwestindy wrote:

https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... 0517162520

I’d hope we would use them wisely, Getting LHR,PDX,SAT,RDU,ETC

Lots of pressure to get the IND-LON flight done:

United Kingdom International Trade Minister Ranil Jayawardena said he believes continued shared investment between Indiana and his country will increase air travel demand to the point that it could warrant a direct route between Indianapolis and London.

“There are plenty of people going back and forth,” he said. “I’m sure we’re … going to get one” eventually.

Jayawardena said he flew in to Chicago for this week’s Indiana Global Economic Summit

https://www.ibj.com/articles/updates-fr ... more-tools

This years Indy 500 is expected to be the 2nd busiest ever, expect lots of corporate jets this weekend.

AA is continuing to add.

IND-JFK going up to 3x daily starting in November.

Pre-covid this was 1x E140...

This capacity would probably be better served on RDU-IND.

Midwestindy wrote:

AA is continuing to add.

IND-JFK going up to 3x daily starting in November.

Pre-covid this was 1x E140...

This capacity would probably be better served on RDU-IND.

Still a E170/75? Hopefully LFs Contract can get sent over to AA, It would also give us Markets that LF couldn’t Reach such as SAT,PDX while still going after RDU,MCI etc

AA is serving many markets with more frequency post pandemic out of JFK I assume it’s as much about slots as pax volume. Cleveland had no service on AA to JFK for many years before the pandemic now it has 4 flights and even did during some pandemic low points. Pit cmh probably others— similar trend.

ncflyer wrote:

AA is serving many markets with more frequency post pandemic out of JFK I assume it’s as much about slots as pax volume. Cleveland had no service on AA to JFK for many years before the pandemic now it has 4 flights and even did during some pandemic low points. Pit cmh probably others— similar trend.

Somewhere along the line recently, in some sleazy back office or in a house in the Bahamas paid for by AA lobbyists, it finAAlly got back to AA that they will use their JFK slots for the flights scheduled… if not another airline will.

ncflyer wrote:

AA is serving many markets with more frequency post pandemic out of JFK I assume it’s as much about slots as pax volume. Cleveland had no service on AA to JFK for many years before the pandemic now it has 4 flights and even did during some pandemic low points. Pit cmh probably others— similar trend.

Just CMH, CVG, and IND. Those are the airports where they have also added BOS & increased JFK+LGA.

CLE/PIT-JFK are back down to 2x in November, at or less than pre-covid. CLE/PIT-LGA are also at or less than pre-covid as well, based on the November update.

BNA/ORF/RDU-JFK are the same frequency.

There aren't really many JFK markets with more service than pre-covid. BWI/PHL/RIC/YYZ/YUL-JFK are cut or will be cut in November. The jump in flights is mainly from new mainline service, SNA, DOH, TLV, SCL, ATH, DEL, BOG, e.t.c.


https://crankyflier.com/2019/04/09/afte ... this-fall/

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Do we see DL cutting BOS,NYC routes?

bringbackATA wrote:

Do we see DL cutting BOS,NYC routes?

They seem happy with the 3x daily on these routes. It seems most of their staffing issues and reductions recently are with CRJ-200 50-seater routes and DL mainline right now.

bringbackATA wrote:

Do we see DL cutting BOS,NYC routes?

- IND is a major YX base, so they need to cycle crew and aircraft through IND. IND is also a 9E MX base, which means they need to cycle aircraft through IND as well. BOS & NYC are the primary routes to do that as the rest of DL's routes from/to IND do not park RJs overnight at IND.

- IND-BOS/LGA are too big for DL to cut, I could see IND-JFK getting reduced though.

- I can't see many more IND cuts from DL to be honest, for context they are still operating the same # of flights and seats as they did for the summer of 2021.

NK extended its schedule.

Looks like IND-FLL/RSW/TPA/MCO/LAS/EWR are all 1x daily after mid-November. Expect this to change over the next few months.

Also have a trip to IND next week, and VERY tempted to take this routing on the way back.....

Midwestindy wrote:

NK extended its schedule.

Looks like IND-FLL/RSW/TPA/MCO/LAS/EWR are all 1x daily after mid-November. Expect this to change over the next few months.

Also have a trip to IND next week, and VERY tempted to take this routing on the way back.....

Will TPA go back to Year Round?

Republic E175 evacuated today in IND after rejected take off...

https://www.wthr.com/video/news/local/p ... 2ff424c378

Midwestindy wrote:

https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... 0517162520

More details:

“Hoosiers are becoming more open to travel again, including international travel. We’ve seen passenger traffic to Europe quadruple since last spring, and are tracking strong against pre-pandemic demand.”

"The Indianapolis Airport Authority (IAA) has announced a new Passenger & Cargo Air Service Incentive Plan (Incentive Plan) and a new Transatlantic Incentive Supplement Plan (Transatlantic Plan) to attract additional routes and carriers to the Indianapolis International Airport (IND), with a focus on resuming transatlantic service."

"The Transatlantic Plan is available to any airline providing qualifying transatlantic service beginning or announced by the end of December 2022. It has a cap of $2 million per year and is funded for up to two years. Total support for any and all qualifying airlines will not exceed $4 million."

"“We have heard our community’s request to prioritize resuming nonstop access to Europe. Our tourism, economic development, and corporate partners rallied behind Indy’s first transatlantic flight in 2018, and now there’s renewed focus and demand around it as we emerge from the pandemic.”

https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/p ... ntive-plan

bringbackATA wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

NK extended its schedule.

Looks like IND-FLL/RSW/TPA/MCO/LAS/EWR are all 1x daily after mid-November. Expect this to change over the next few months.

Also have a trip to IND next week, and VERY tempted to take this routing on the way back.....

Will TPA go back to Year Round?

It is scheduled to, I wouldn't fully trust any schedules past August though.

Midwestindy wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... 0517162520

More details:

“Hoosiers are becoming more open to travel again, including international travel. We’ve seen passenger traffic to Europe quadruple since last spring, and are tracking strong against pre-pandemic demand.”

"The Indianapolis Airport Authority (IAA) has announced a new Passenger & Cargo Air Service Incentive Plan (Incentive Plan) and a new Transatlantic Incentive Supplement Plan (Transatlantic Plan) to attract additional routes and carriers to the Indianapolis International Airport (IND), with a focus on resuming transatlantic service."

"The Transatlantic Plan is available to any airline providing qualifying transatlantic service beginning or announced by the end of December 2022. It has a cap of $2 million per year and is funded for up to two years. Total support for any and all qualifying airlines will not exceed $4 million."

"“We have heard our community’s request to prioritize resuming nonstop access to Europe. Our tourism, economic development, and corporate partners rallied behind Indy’s first transatlantic flight in 2018, and now there’s renewed focus and demand around it as we emerge from the pandemic.”

https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/p ... ntive-plan

bringbackATA wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

NK extended its schedule.

Looks like IND-FLL/RSW/TPA/MCO/LAS/EWR are all 1x daily after mid-November. Expect this to change over the next few months.

Also have a trip to IND next week, and VERY tempted to take this routing on the way back.....

Will TPA go back to Year Round?

It is scheduled to, I wouldn't fully trust any schedules past August though.

So $4 million total incentive?

strangeplanes wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... 0517162520

More details:

“Hoosiers are becoming more open to travel again, including international travel. We’ve seen passenger traffic to Europe quadruple since last spring, and are tracking strong against pre-pandemic demand.”

"The Indianapolis Airport Authority (IAA) has announced a new Passenger & Cargo Air Service Incentive Plan (Incentive Plan) and a new Transatlantic Incentive Supplement Plan (Transatlantic Plan) to attract additional routes and carriers to the Indianapolis International Airport (IND), with a focus on resuming transatlantic service."

"The Transatlantic Plan is available to any airline providing qualifying transatlantic service beginning or announced by the end of December 2022. It has a cap of $2 million per year and is funded for up to two years. Total support for any and all qualifying airlines will not exceed $4 million."

"“We have heard our community’s request to prioritize resuming nonstop access to Europe. Our tourism, economic development, and corporate partners rallied behind Indy’s first transatlantic flight in 2018, and now there’s renewed focus and demand around it as we emerge from the pandemic.”

https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/p ... ntive-plan

bringbackATA wrote:

Will TPA go back to Year Round?

It is scheduled to, I wouldn't fully trust any schedules past August though.

So $4 million total incentive?

A little surprised it isn’t more. But I feel like the 2022 deadline is for a reason. Probably have someone lined up.

Midwestindy wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... 0517162520

More details:

“Hoosiers are becoming more open to travel again, including international travel. We’ve seen passenger traffic to Europe quadruple since last spring, and are tracking strong against pre-pandemic demand.”

"The Indianapolis Airport Authority (IAA) has announced a new Passenger & Cargo Air Service Incentive Plan (Incentive Plan) and a new Transatlantic Incentive Supplement Plan (Transatlantic Plan) to attract additional routes and carriers to the Indianapolis International Airport (IND), with a focus on resuming transatlantic service."

"The Transatlantic Plan is available to any airline providing qualifying transatlantic service beginning or announced by the end of December 2022. It has a cap of $2 million per year and is funded for up to two years. Total support for any and all qualifying airlines will not exceed $4 million."

"“We have heard our community’s request to prioritize resuming nonstop access to Europe. Our tourism, economic development, and corporate partners rallied behind Indy’s first transatlantic flight in 2018, and now there’s renewed focus and demand around it as we emerge from the pandemic.”

https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/p ... ntive-plan

bringbackATA wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

NK extended its schedule.

Looks like IND-FLL/RSW/TPA/MCO/LAS/EWR are all 1x daily after mid-November. Expect this to change over the next few months.

Also have a trip to IND next week, and VERY tempted to take this routing on the way back.....

Will TPA go back to Year Round?

It is scheduled to, I wouldn't fully trust any schedules past August though.

I feel that this is a “hurry up” to BA, Telling them to open it soon or we will work with someone else instead. I do find the Multi City expansion bit interesting. Cmon AA!

Jshank83 wrote:

strangeplanes wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

More details:

“Hoosiers are becoming more open to travel again, including international travel. We’ve seen passenger traffic to Europe quadruple since last spring, and are tracking strong against pre-pandemic demand.”

"The Indianapolis Airport Authority (IAA) has announced a new Passenger & Cargo Air Service Incentive Plan (Incentive Plan) and a new Transatlantic Incentive Supplement Plan (Transatlantic Plan) to attract additional routes and carriers to the Indianapolis International Airport (IND), with a focus on resuming transatlantic service."

"The Transatlantic Plan is available to any airline providing qualifying transatlantic service beginning or announced by the end of December 2022. It has a cap of $2 million per year and is funded for up to two years. Total support for any and all qualifying airlines will not exceed $4 million."

"“We have heard our community’s request to prioritize resuming nonstop access to Europe. Our tourism, economic development, and corporate partners rallied behind Indy’s first transatlantic flight in 2018, and now there’s renewed focus and demand around it as we emerge from the pandemic.”

https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/p ... ntive-plan



It is scheduled to, I wouldn't fully trust any schedules past August though.

So $4 million total incentive?

A little surprised it isn’t more. But I feel like the 2022 deadline is for a reason. Probably have someone lined up.

The $4M total is only from the airport (marketing and fee waivers). The state, city, e.t.c. would tack on more presumably.

bringbackATA wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... 0517162520

More details:

“Hoosiers are becoming more open to travel again, including international travel. We’ve seen passenger traffic to Europe quadruple since last spring, and are tracking strong against pre-pandemic demand.”

"The Indianapolis Airport Authority (IAA) has announced a new Passenger & Cargo Air Service Incentive Plan (Incentive Plan) and a new Transatlantic Incentive Supplement Plan (Transatlantic Plan) to attract additional routes and carriers to the Indianapolis International Airport (IND), with a focus on resuming transatlantic service."

"The Transatlantic Plan is available to any airline providing qualifying transatlantic service beginning or announced by the end of December 2022. It has a cap of $2 million per year and is funded for up to two years. Total support for any and all qualifying airlines will not exceed $4 million."

"“We have heard our community’s request to prioritize resuming nonstop access to Europe. Our tourism, economic development, and corporate partners rallied behind Indy’s first transatlantic flight in 2018, and now there’s renewed focus and demand around it as we emerge from the pandemic.”

https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/p ... ntive-plan

bringbackATA wrote:

Will TPA go back to Year Round?

It is scheduled to, I wouldn't fully trust any schedules past August though.

I feel that this is a “hurry up” to BA, Telling them to open it soon or we will work with someone else instead. I do find the Multi City expansion bit interesting. Cmon AA!

Talks with BA were specifically mentioned in the board meeting.

Not surprising given they applied for IND-LHR last year, and pre-CDG 30% of inbound Europe demand was from MAN, BHX, or LHR

Do we see us Getting a YUL flight?
Only MidSize non hub markets that have it are PIT,RDU,BNA. I can see us using a small incentive package for it. 2018 data has 16K people a year flying between the 2. Brings it to average of 45 people a day

Maybe 4x weekly CRJ200 during Summer 3x during Winter. Can Up the flights to daily if needed of course.

bringbackATA wrote:

Do we see us Getting a YUL flight?
Only MidSize non hub markets that have it are PIT,RDU,BNA. I can see us using a small incentive package for it. 2018 data has 16K people a year flying between the 2. Brings it to average of 45 people a day

Maybe 4x weekly CRJ200 during Summer 3x during Winter. Can Up the flights to daily if needed of course.

I doubt IND will see a YUL flight for at least a little while, Canada-US air travel is still at 50% of 2019, and IND-YYZ is still 2x CR2. I think AC is going to be very cautious bringing on any new RJ routes with fuel so high and labor shortages at their regional partners.

The PDEW is half of 45 though, since the plane needs to be filled arriving and departing. But, we'll see what happens once Canada-US travel restrictions are eased.

Another factor is connections:

This is total outbound Canada-US demand by market, and while PIT-YUL may have been comparable to IND-YUL by pax (pre getting nonstop service in 2018), PIT-YUL had a wider base of Canadian connection demand. Hence why it likely made more sense to add.

If IND's non-YYZ passenger counts continue to grow, IND-YUL will become a better possibility IMO. When/if they do start it, they likely won't run it in the winter though.

April 2022 enplanements were at 94.9% of April 2019:

AA was the largest carrier for April, up 16.5% from their mark in April 2019.

YTD the race between AA and WN for #1 in IND is very tight, through April....
WN - 25.9%
AA - 25.0%
DL - 18.9%
UA - 11.4%

Comparables YTD April:
SNA - 3,223,395
CLE - N/A
SJC - 2,970,809
MCI - 2,735,081
IND - 2,666,999
PIT - 2,322,729
CMH - 2,192,128
CVG - 2,141,537
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Load factors

December 2021:

AA IND-CUN-88.7%

F9 IND-CUN-84.7%

WN IND-CUN-80.4%

March 2022, Tons of routes way under the capacity they should be at, hence the ridiculously high load factors on so many routes.

AS IND-SEA-87.6%

G4 IND-SFB-97.8%
G4 IND-LAS-95.9%
G4 IND-FLL-95.8%
G4 IND-LAX-94.9%
G4 IND-PBI-94.7%
G4 IND-PGD-94.6%
G4 IND-PIE-93.8%
G4 IND-VPS-93.3%
G4 IND-SRQ-91.7%
G4 IND-AUS-87.7%
G4 IND-SAV-84.9%
G4 IND-MSY-73.0%
G4 IND-PSP-69.3%
G4 IND-BOS-68.4%

AA IND-DFW-95.1%
AA IND-PHX-94.2%
AA IND-CLT-93.0%
AA IND-LAX-90.7%
AA IND-MIA-90.7%
AA IND-PHL-89.8%
AA IND-AUS-85.0%
AA IND-DCA-79.2%
AA IND-JFK-72.8%

LF IND-BNA-62.5% (~19 pax/flight)

DL IND-ATL-91.8%
DL IND-MSP-89.3%
DL IND-DTW-85.7%
DL IND-LAX-82.1%
DL IND-JFK-73.8%

F9 IND-MCO-96.2%
F9 IND-DEN-84.0%
F9 IND-LAS-83.4%

UA IND-MCO-97.3%
UA IND-IAH-92.5%
UA IND-DEN-92.4%
UA IND-SFO-87.1%
UA IND-IAD-84.3%
UA IND-RSW-83.5%
UA IND-EWR-78.1%

NK IND-LAS-95.3%
NK IND-FLL-92.4%
NK IND-MCO-91.0%
NK IND-TPA-88.6%
NK IND-RSW-84.1%

WN IND-LAS-96.0%
WN IND-MIA-95.4%
WN IND-ECP-95.3%
WN IND-MCO-93.7%
WN IND-RSW-93.3%
WN IND-DAL-92.7%
WN IND-FLL-91.9%
WN IND-TPA-91.6%
WN IND-DEN-91.3%
WN IND-HOU-91.0%
WN IND-AUS-89.4%
WN IND-PHX-89.2%
WN IND-ATL-86.3%
WN IND-BWI-85.8%
WN IND-SRQ-83.9%

Combined
IND-ORD-87.1%
IND-BOS-68.3%
IND-LGA-63.0%

Midwestindy wrote:

April 2022 enplanements were at 94.9% of April 2019:

AA was the largest carrier for April, up 16.5% from their mark in April 2019.

YTD the race between AA and WN for #1 in IND is very tight, through April....
WN - 25.9%
AA - 25.0%
DL - 18.9%
UA - 11.4%

Comparables YTD April:
SNA - 3,223,395
CLE - N/A
SJC - 2,970,809
MCI - 2,735,081
IND - 2,666,999
PIT - 2,322,729
CMH - 2,192,128
CVG - 2,141,537
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Load factors

December 2021:

AA IND-CUN-88.7%

F9 IND-CUN-84.7%

WN IND-CUN-80.4%

March 2022, Tons of routes way under the capacity they should be at, hence the ridiculously high load factors on so many routes.

AS IND-SEA-87.6%

G4 IND-SFB-97.8%
G4 IND-LAS-95.9%
G4 IND-FLL-95.8%
G4 IND-LAX-94.9%
G4 IND-PBI-94.7%
G4 IND-PGD-94.6%
G4 IND-PIE-93.8%
G4 IND-VPS-93.3%
G4 IND-SRQ-91.7%
G4 IND-AUS-87.7%
G4 IND-SAV-84.9%
G4 IND-MSY-73.0%
G4 IND-PSP-69.3%
G4 IND-BOS-68.4%

AA IND-DFW-95.1%
AA IND-PHX-94.2%
AA IND-CLT-93.0%
AA IND-LAX-90.7%
AA IND-MIA-90.7%
AA IND-PHL-89.8%
AA IND-AUS-85.0%
AA IND-DCA-79.2%
AA IND-JFK-72.8%

LF IND-BNA-62.5% (~19 pax/flight)

DL IND-ATL-91.8%
DL IND-MSP-89.3%
DL IND-DTW-85.7%
DL IND-LAX-82.1%
DL IND-JFK-73.8%

F9 IND-MCO-96.2%
F9 IND-DEN-84.0%
F9 IND-LAS-83.4%

UA IND-MCO-97.3%
UA IND-IAH-92.5%
UA IND-DEN-92.4%
UA IND-SFO-87.1%
UA IND-IAD-84.3%
UA IND-RSW-83.5%
UA IND-EWR-78.1%

NK IND-LAS-95.3%
NK IND-FLL-92.4%
NK IND-MCO-91.0%
NK IND-TPA-88.6%
NK IND-RSW-84.1%

WN IND-LAS-96.0%
WN IND-MIA-95.4%
WN IND-ECP-95.3%
WN IND-MCO-93.7%
WN IND-RSW-93.3%
WN IND-DAL-92.7%
WN IND-FLL-91.9%
WN IND-TPA-91.6%
WN IND-DEN-91.3%
WN IND-HOU-91.0%
WN IND-AUS-89.4%
WN IND-PHX-89.2%
WN IND-ATL-86.3%
WN IND-BWI-85.8%
WN IND-SRQ-83.9%

Combined
IND-ORD-87.1%
IND-BOS-68.3%
IND-LGA-63.0%

Good to See BOS,NYC climbing AA to PHX is surprising for the top route IMO
Like seeing that AA is the top carrier