NJFlyer27 wrote:How is the Spirit flight doing from EWR?
Probably to early to get official loads. But based off of Seat maps. ( yes I know not 100% accurate) It looks pretty solid.
Moderators: richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR
NJFlyer27 wrote:How is the Spirit flight doing from EWR?
stlgph wrote:September and October is pretty much down for everyone. UAL is down to what 19 or 20 during that time frame and AA is dropping down to 29-30 flights per day? And by the looks of it, it looks as though DCA at times has the most nonstops per day of the cities. Interesting that Charlotte is only at 4. And at the rate they've been going as of late (AA), good luck if something cancels along the way.
Interesting how a year or so ago, the concentration was Florida. Now - the weighted chips are being played for the eastern seaboard, particularly the northeast.
Midwestindy wrote:stlgph wrote:September and October is pretty much down for everyone. UAL is down to what 19 or 20 during that time frame and AA is dropping down to 29-30 flights per day? And by the looks of it, it looks as though DCA at times has the most nonstops per day of the cities. Interesting that Charlotte is only at 4. And at the rate they've been going as of late (AA), good luck if something cancels along the way.
Interesting how a year or so ago, the concentration was Florida. Now - the weighted chips are being played for the eastern seaboard, particularly the northeast.
IND-CLT is 6x/day most days, only on off days (Tue/Wed/Sat) is it 4 or 5x day in September/October. IND-CLT is actually operating the most seats its ever had this Fall, due to all the extra mainline. UA is up big seat wise yoy for September/October, also due to the extra mainline.
AA is ~40/day in September, and 34/day on Tue/Wed last I checked.
On Florida, we may see WN try to add some capacity back into Florida, flights for October are already selling out 3 months in advance....and I'm seeing ULCC prices in the $300s already for some one-ways around the Fall Break period.
Midwestindy wrote:May Enplanements: 89.9% of 2019
YTD Comparisons:
SJC-3,980,012
MCI-3,622,019
SAT-3,519,562
IND- 3,457,186
PIT-3,069,155
CVG-2,808,102
CMH + CLE-N/A
IND carriers % of May 2019 enplanements
SY-261.0%
NK-182.2%
AA-115.4%
UA-101.6%
AS-97.8%
G4-83.9%
WN-81.7%
F9-77.8%
DL-66.4% (Ouch!)
AC-25.1%
LF-inf
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Midwestindy wrote:May Enplanements: 89.9% of 2019
YTD Comparisons:
SJC-3,980,012
MCI-3,622,019
SAT-3,519,562
IND- 3,457,186
PIT-3,069,155
CVG-2,808,102
CMH + CLE-N/A
IND carriers % of May 2019 enplanements
SY-261.0%
NK-182.2%
AA-115.4%
UA-101.6%
AS-97.8%
G4-83.9%
WN-81.7%
F9-77.8%
DL-66.4% (Ouch!)
AC-25.1%
LF-inf
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bringbackATA wrote:Midwestindy wrote:May Enplanements: 89.9% of 2019
YTD Comparisons:
SJC-3,980,012
MCI-3,622,019
SAT-3,519,562
IND- 3,457,186
PIT-3,069,155
CVG-2,808,102
CMH + CLE-N/A
IND carriers % of May 2019 enplanements
SY-261.0%
NK-182.2%
AA-115.4%
UA-101.6%
AS-97.8%
G4-83.9%
WN-81.7%
F9-77.8%
DL-66.4% (Ouch!)
AC-25.1%
LF-inf
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Big Yikes from Delta
How is F9 and G4 so low?
Midwestindy wrote:Some insane inbound Loads….only included the ones over 93% for the most part, plenty of others between 90 & 93
April 2022
AS IND-SEA-87.9% (94.6% inbound)
AA IND-PHX-92.0% (98.1% inbound)
AA IND-LAX-91.3% (96.3% inbound)
AA IND-CLT-91.2%
AA IND-DFW-87.7% (96.0% inbound)
AA Envoy only IND-ORD-85.0%
AA IND-PHL-81.7%
AA IND-DCA-81.3%
AA IND-AUS-80.3%
AA IND-MIA-74.1% ( basically all mainline)
G4 IND-LAS-97.2%
G4 IND-PIE-91.3% (96.8% inbound)
G4 IND-SFB-90.9% (95.8% inbound)
G4 IND-LAX-88.6% (95.0% inbound)
G4 IND-JAX-88.6%
G4 IND-SRQ-87.3% (97.3% inbound)
G4 IND-FLL-86.0% (94.1% inbound)
G4 IND-AUS-82.1% (93.9% inbound)
G4 IND-PGD-80.5% (97.2% inbound)
G4 IND-VPS-80.0%
G4 IND-SAV-75.9%
G4 IND-MSY-69.3%
G4 IND-EYW-60.8%
G4 IND-BOS-60.2%
G4 IND-PBI-56.5% (97.4% inbound)
DL IND-MSP-89.1%
DL IND-ATL-88.4%
DL IND-LAX-86.4%
DL IND-DTW-79.8%
F9 IND-MCO-79.4%
F9 IND-DEN-76.8%
F9 IND-LAS-69.6%
LF IND-BNA-51.4% (68.4% inbound ~21 pax/flight)
NK IND-LAS-90.6%
NK IND-MCO-79.5%
NK IND-RSW-74.9% (93.8% inbound)
NK IND-FLL-74.6%
NK IND-TPA-72.8%
WN IND-RSW-95.6% (96.5% inbound)
WN IND-LAS-95.5% (96.6% inbound)
WN IND-SRQ-92.0% (97.2% inbound)
WN IND-PHX-91.7% (94.7% inbound)
WN IND-MCO-91.5%
WN IND-MIA-90.2% (1 Departure)
WN IND-DAL-87.9%
WN IND-AUS-87.7% (95.0% inbound)
WN IND-TPA-87.6% (96.0% inbound)
WN IND-ATL-85.5%
WN IND-FLL-84.4% (95.9% inbound)
WN IND-HOU-81.5%
WN IND-BWI-78.5%
WN IND-DEN-78.5% (93.1% inbound)
WN IND-ECP-75.1%
UA IND-RSW-97.2% (95.4% inbound)
UA IND-SFO-88.3% (92.7% inbound)
UA IND-DEN-86.2%
UA IND-IAH-82.2%
UA+Air Wisconsin only IND-ORD-81.6%
UA IND-EWR-70.7%
UA IND-IAD-70.6%
Combined
IND-BOS-62.9%
YX IND-JFK-54.3%
9E (DL) IND-JFK-67.4%
9E(DL) IND-LGA-78.5% (19 Departures)
YX IND-LGA-58.9%
ilive4planes wrote:Midwestindy wrote:Some insane inbound Loads….only included the ones over 93% for the most part, plenty of others between 90 & 93
April 2022
AS IND-SEA-87.9% (94.6% inbound)
AA IND-PHX-92.0% (98.1% inbound)
AA IND-LAX-91.3% (96.3% inbound)
AA IND-CLT-91.2%
AA IND-DFW-87.7% (96.0% inbound)
AA Envoy only IND-ORD-85.0%
AA IND-PHL-81.7%
AA IND-DCA-81.3%
AA IND-AUS-80.3%
AA IND-MIA-74.1% ( basically all mainline)
G4 IND-LAS-97.2%
G4 IND-PIE-91.3% (96.8% inbound)
G4 IND-SFB-90.9% (95.8% inbound)
G4 IND-LAX-88.6% (95.0% inbound)
G4 IND-JAX-88.6%
G4 IND-SRQ-87.3% (97.3% inbound)
G4 IND-FLL-86.0% (94.1% inbound)
G4 IND-AUS-82.1% (93.9% inbound)
G4 IND-PGD-80.5% (97.2% inbound)
G4 IND-VPS-80.0%
G4 IND-SAV-75.9%
G4 IND-MSY-69.3%
G4 IND-EYW-60.8%
G4 IND-BOS-60.2%
G4 IND-PBI-56.5% (97.4% inbound)
DL IND-MSP-89.1%
DL IND-ATL-88.4%
DL IND-LAX-86.4%
DL IND-DTW-79.8%
F9 IND-MCO-79.4%
F9 IND-DEN-76.8%
F9 IND-LAS-69.6%
LF IND-BNA-51.4% (68.4% inbound ~21 pax/flight)
NK IND-LAS-90.6%
NK IND-MCO-79.5%
NK IND-RSW-74.9% (93.8% inbound)
NK IND-FLL-74.6%
NK IND-TPA-72.8%
WN IND-RSW-95.6% (96.5% inbound)
WN IND-LAS-95.5% (96.6% inbound)
WN IND-SRQ-92.0% (97.2% inbound)
WN IND-PHX-91.7% (94.7% inbound)
WN IND-MCO-91.5%
WN IND-MIA-90.2% (1 Departure)
WN IND-DAL-87.9%
WN IND-AUS-87.7% (95.0% inbound)
WN IND-TPA-87.6% (96.0% inbound)
WN IND-ATL-85.5%
WN IND-FLL-84.4% (95.9% inbound)
WN IND-HOU-81.5%
WN IND-BWI-78.5%
WN IND-DEN-78.5% (93.1% inbound)
WN IND-ECP-75.1%
UA IND-RSW-97.2% (95.4% inbound)
UA IND-SFO-88.3% (92.7% inbound)
UA IND-DEN-86.2%
UA IND-IAH-82.2%
UA+Air Wisconsin only IND-ORD-81.6%
UA IND-EWR-70.7%
UA IND-IAD-70.6%
Combined
IND-BOS-62.9%
YX IND-JFK-54.3%
9E (DL) IND-JFK-67.4%
9E(DL) IND-LGA-78.5% (19 Departures)
YX IND-LGA-58.9%
Got a question for you guys with Boston struggling so much, if it ever happens could B6 add BOS-IND to maybe drive the prices down cause I think Delta and American charge quite a bit per ticket its just a thought I had.
Jshank83 wrote:ilive4planes wrote:Midwestindy wrote:Some insane inbound Loads….only included the ones over 93% for the most part, plenty of others between 90 & 93
April 2022
AS IND-SEA-87.9% (94.6% inbound)
AA IND-PHX-92.0% (98.1% inbound)
AA IND-LAX-91.3% (96.3% inbound)
AA IND-CLT-91.2%
AA IND-DFW-87.7% (96.0% inbound)
AA Envoy only IND-ORD-85.0%
AA IND-PHL-81.7%
AA IND-DCA-81.3%
AA IND-AUS-80.3%
AA IND-MIA-74.1% ( basically all mainline)
G4 IND-LAS-97.2%
G4 IND-PIE-91.3% (96.8% inbound)
G4 IND-SFB-90.9% (95.8% inbound)
G4 IND-LAX-88.6% (95.0% inbound)
G4 IND-JAX-88.6%
G4 IND-SRQ-87.3% (97.3% inbound)
G4 IND-FLL-86.0% (94.1% inbound)
G4 IND-AUS-82.1% (93.9% inbound)
G4 IND-PGD-80.5% (97.2% inbound)
G4 IND-VPS-80.0%
G4 IND-SAV-75.9%
G4 IND-MSY-69.3%
G4 IND-EYW-60.8%
G4 IND-BOS-60.2%
G4 IND-PBI-56.5% (97.4% inbound)
DL IND-MSP-89.1%
DL IND-ATL-88.4%
DL IND-LAX-86.4%
DL IND-DTW-79.8%
F9 IND-MCO-79.4%
F9 IND-DEN-76.8%
F9 IND-LAS-69.6%
LF IND-BNA-51.4% (68.4% inbound ~21 pax/flight)
NK IND-LAS-90.6%
NK IND-MCO-79.5%
NK IND-RSW-74.9% (93.8% inbound)
NK IND-FLL-74.6%
NK IND-TPA-72.8%
WN IND-RSW-95.6% (96.5% inbound)
WN IND-LAS-95.5% (96.6% inbound)
WN IND-SRQ-92.0% (97.2% inbound)
WN IND-PHX-91.7% (94.7% inbound)
WN IND-MCO-91.5%
WN IND-MIA-90.2% (1 Departure)
WN IND-DAL-87.9%
WN IND-AUS-87.7% (95.0% inbound)
WN IND-TPA-87.6% (96.0% inbound)
WN IND-ATL-85.5%
WN IND-FLL-84.4% (95.9% inbound)
WN IND-HOU-81.5%
WN IND-BWI-78.5%
WN IND-DEN-78.5% (93.1% inbound)
WN IND-ECP-75.1%
UA IND-RSW-97.2% (95.4% inbound)
UA IND-SFO-88.3% (92.7% inbound)
UA IND-DEN-86.2%
UA IND-IAH-82.2%
UA+Air Wisconsin only IND-ORD-81.6%
UA IND-EWR-70.7%
UA IND-IAD-70.6%
Combined
IND-BOS-62.9%
YX IND-JFK-54.3%
9E (DL) IND-JFK-67.4%
9E(DL) IND-LGA-78.5% (19 Departures)
YX IND-LGA-58.9%
Got a question for you guys with Boston struggling so much, if it ever happens could B6 add BOS-IND to maybe drive the prices down cause I think Delta and American charge quite a bit per ticket its just a thought I had.
If they are having bad loads you probably aren’t going to see someone else on it. Especially B6 since they are aligned with AA. They aren’t going to want to dilute it more.
ilive4planes wrote:Jshank83 wrote:ilive4planes wrote:
Got a question for you guys with Boston struggling so much, if it ever happens could B6 add BOS-IND to maybe drive the prices down cause I think Delta and American charge quite a bit per ticket its just a thought I had.
If they are having bad loads you probably aren’t going to see someone else on it. Especially B6 since they are aligned with AA. They aren’t going to want to dilute it more.
So pretty much JetBlue will probably never launch IND?
Jshank83 wrote:ilive4planes wrote:Jshank83 wrote:
If they are having bad loads you probably aren’t going to see someone else on it. Especially B6 since they are aligned with AA. They aren’t going to want to dilute it more.
So pretty much JetBlue will probably never launch IND?
It can serve IND without serving Boston. If they do end up buying Spirit they will be at IND
bringbackATA wrote:Saw a FedEx 767 doing lots of Touch and Go today. Anyone know what’s up? New Aircraft??
Midwestindy wrote:June 2022
Enplanements % of 2019: 88.2%
IND carriers % of June 2019 enplanements
SY-561.8%
NK-141.3%
AS-136.8%
AA-111.8%
G4-103.5%
UA-88.6%
F9-84.8%
WN-80.7%
DL-66.4% (Ouch!)
AC-56.6%
LF-inf
IND - 4,236,027
CVG - 3,515,737
CMH/CLE/MCI/PIT/SAT N/A
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ibthebigd wrote:If the Spirit/JetBlue merger goes thru will IND survive the Merger or will it be cut?
I say it's 50/50 either way
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Midwestindy wrote:Always thought Contour should have done it. Seemed to have Decent Demand . Maybe a AA route if they make us a Second AUS"Among airports in the United States that serve 2 to 3 million people, Kansas City International Airport is the third-largest market that doesn’t offer transatlantic flights. The airport is behind Cleveland Hopkins International Airport and Indianapolis International Airport, according to KCI marketing and air service director Justin Meyer."
"Services to Albuquerque, Indianapolis, Milwaukee and San Antonio haven’t been added back yet since May 2020, but KCI is looking to get those nonstop flights up and running in the future."
https://www.kansascity.com/living/trave ... rylink=cpyibthebigd wrote:If the Spirit/JetBlue merger goes thru will IND survive the Merger or will it be cut?
I say it's 50/50 either way
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IND will survive, it is too big to cut completely, and they have tons of aircraft coming so no need to cut the whole station.
Midwestindy wrote:DL downguaged the 7 IND-LAX flights in September down to A319s.
Some AA updates:
AA is upguauging IND-LAX all the way up to the A321neo(their largest non-widebody aircraft), for most of September (Some days remain A320s). Did not expect them to add any capacity this late in after DL cut it down.
IND-PHX will alternate between 1-2x A321neo (other days 1x A320/1xA321neo).
AA is really commanding the West coast traffic that DL is spilling. Just looking at LAX-IND fares for AA next month, and many days are over $400-500 for one-way.
AA in October will see a big jump in mainline, October will be ~17 mainline/day for AA, compared to ~13 mainline/day this month.
IND-PHL will be up to 3 mainline flights/day, IND-ORD up to 2 mainline flights/day.
Midwestindy wrote:June 2022
Enplanements % of 2019: 88.2%
IND carriers % of June 2019 enplanements
SY-561.8%
NK-141.3%
AS-136.8%
AA-111.8%
G4-103.5%
UA-88.6%
F9-84.8%
WN-80.7%
DL-66.4% (Ouch!)
AC-56.6%
LF-inf
IND - 4,236,027
CVG - 3,515,737
CMH/CLE/MCI/PIT/SAT N/A
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Indy wrote:Any updates on FedEx construction at IND?
BangersAndMash wrote:Things could get interesting! AA appears to be starting RDU-CVG from January 10 (announced on social media channels by RDU). Since they rarely announce these things in isolation, could we see RDU-IND too?
FLYKTPA wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:Things could get interesting! AA appears to be starting RDU-CVG from January 10 (announced on social media channels by RDU). Since they rarely announce these things in isolation, could we see RDU-IND too?
But why would RDU leave out other cities to be added and only announce CVG then? Would be odd imo.
bringbackATA wrote:FLYKTPA wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:Things could get interesting! AA appears to be starting RDU-CVG from January 10 (announced on social media channels by RDU). Since they rarely announce these things in isolation, could we see RDU-IND too?
But why would RDU leave out other cities to be added and only announce CVG then? Would be odd imo.
The CVG add I feel is just AA giving the Finger to DL. I’d imagine they would announce them separate to give more Hype for the routes. Rather than announcing multiple dest at once
FLYKTPA wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:Things could get interesting! AA appears to be starting RDU-CVG from January 10 (announced on social media channels by RDU). Since they rarely announce these things in isolation, could we see RDU-IND too?
But why would RDU leave out other cities to be added and only announce CVG then? Would be odd imo.
Midwestindy wrote:FLYKTPA wrote:BangersAndMash wrote:Things could get interesting! AA appears to be starting RDU-CVG from January 10 (announced on social media channels by RDU). Since they rarely announce these things in isolation, could we see RDU-IND too?
But why would RDU leave out other cities to be added and only announce CVG then? Would be odd imo.
I mean by every metric IND-RDU outperforms CVG-RDU. I don't see why it wouldn't also make it sense to add IND-RDU sometime in the near future.
Pre-covid
And, Post-covid
IND is actually a base for YX (whose planes AA is using for the CVG-RDU route presumably). And obviously having a base on one end makes it easier to schedule p2p routes.
Not to mention AA has a larger share of the overall IND market compared with CVG, plus AA has a larger share, at higher average fares on IND-RDU than CVG-RDU
https://data.transportation.gov/Aviatio ... -b2ir/data
bringbackATA wrote:Midwestindy wrote:AA is adding mainline on IND-DCA in November.[/quote
Saw that! I counted the Total number of departures for November, If my math is correct then we will have more Departures then compared to Now
ilive4planes wrote:I want your guys opinion on this, With the new law that got got signed and takes effect September 15th and Eli Lilly looking outside of Indiana for future projects and possibly Gen Con leaving cause of this new law will this have an impact on future growth at IND?
bringbackATA wrote:ilive4planes wrote:I want your guys opinion on this, With the new law that got got signed and takes effect September 15th and Eli Lilly looking outside of Indiana for future projects and possibly Gen Con leaving cause of this new law will this have an impact on future growth at IND?
Gen Con probably won’t leave. There under contract till 2026,They’ve also gotten a “home” here. On the Lily Aspect, Them opening facility’s outside of the state would just lead to more Biz Travel. Besides there Always Expanding here. There Building a Plant up in Lebanon, They will continue to move in employees from there facilities in Boston,NC to us. It’s how HQ’s work
Indy wrote:bringbackATA wrote:ilive4planes wrote:I want your guys opinion on this, With the new law that got got signed and takes effect September 15th and Eli Lilly looking outside of Indiana for future projects and possibly Gen Con leaving cause of this new law will this have an impact on future growth at IND?
Gen Con probably won’t leave. There under contract till 2026,They’ve also gotten a “home” here. On the Lily Aspect, Them opening facility’s outside of the state would just lead to more Biz Travel. Besides there Always Expanding here. There Building a Plant up in Lebanon, They will continue to move in employees from there facilities in Boston,NC to us. It’s how HQ’s work
This is going to hurt the state. Just because Gen Con is under contract doesn't mean they can't leave. I'm sure there is a clause they can exploit. The MLB would have been under contract to host the All-Star game in Atlanta and they pulled out. Political extremism has a host and Indiana and IND is about to find out what that cost is.
flyboy80 wrote:I think IND will survive for the combined JetBlue and Spirit. B6 is going into this transaction because their current business model and cost isn’t aligned and ultimately they need morph into more markets, new revenue streams, and lower their unit costs while giving customers more network choice.
There are a lot of synergy areas between the two despite having very different reputations; one of them is their market presence in Florida. This new combined carrier is will be serious competition for “traditional” LCCs surviving today, especially Southwest.
Midwestindy wrote:G4 extended its schedule through next Spring Break:
BOS/LAX/PBI return
PSP and MSY do not.
Midwestindy wrote:May
AS IND-SEA-96.0%
G4 IND-LAS-94.6%
G4 IND-PIE-94.6% (PIE-IND-96.0%)
G4 IND-SFB-92.1%
G4 IND-CHS-91.9%
G4 IND-FLL-91.8% (FLL-IND-95.3%)
G4 IND-PGD-90.9% (PGD-IND-96.0%)
G4 IND-JAX-90.5%
G4 IND-SRQ-90.5% (SRQ-IND-94.5%)
G4 IND-AUS-89.1%
G4 IND-VPS-88.3%
G4 IND-BOS-78.3%
G4 IND-SAV-76.3%
G4 IND-EYW-65.9%
AA IND-DFW-94.5% (DFW-IND-95.3%)
AA IND-PHX-93.6% (PHX-IND-97.0%)
AA IND-PHL-92.6%
AA IND-LAX-92.4%
AA IND-AUS-91.4%
AA IND-CLT-91.4%
AA IND-ORD-90.4% (Envoy mainline only)
AA IND-DCA-86.7%
AA IND-MIA-85.4%
AA IND-JFK-71.0%
LF IND-BNA-62.8% (BNA-IND-75.0%)
DL IND-LAX-95.9%
DL IND-MSP-92.7%
DL IND-ATL-90.7%
DL IND-DTW-86.4%
DL IND-JFK-85.0%
F9 IND-MCO-92.1%
F9 IND-DEN-90.6%
F9 IND-LAS-86.7% (LAS-IND-93.3%)
WN IND-LAS-95.5%
WN IND-RSW-94.8%
WN IND-PHX-94.2%
WN IND-HOU-94.1%
WN IND-SRQ-93.7%
WN IND-ATL-92.6% (ATL-IND-94.9%)
WN IND-DAL-92.3% (DAL-IND-94.6%)
WN IND-TPA-92.7% (TPA-IND-95.6%)
WN IND-AUS-92.2% (AUS-IND-94.8%)
WN IND-FLL-91.5% (FLL-IND-94.9%)
WN IND-MCO-91.2%
WN IND-BWI-90.4%
WN IND-DEN-88.9%
WN IND-ECP-82.4%
NK IND-LAS-91.9%
NK IND-FLL-91.2%
NK IND-RSW-86.6% (RSW-IND-96.4%)
NK IND-MCO-86.2%
NK IND-MYR-60.3% (4 Departures, still bad)
UA IND-SFO-94.2%
UA IND-DEN-92.6%
UA IND-IAH-89.5%
UA IND-ORD-88.2% (Mainline only)
UA IND-IAD-86.0%
UA IND-EWR-84.1%
IND-BOS-78.5%
IND-LGA-73.7%