NJFlyer27 wrote:

How is the Spirit flight doing from EWR?

Probably to early to get official loads. But based off of Seat maps. ( yes I know not 100% accurate) It looks pretty solid.

September and October is pretty much down for everyone. UAL is down to what 19 or 20 during that time frame and AA is dropping down to 29-30 flights per day? And by the looks of it, it looks as though DCA at times has the most nonstops per day of the cities. Interesting that Charlotte is only at 4. And at the rate they've been going as of late (AA), good luck if something cancels along the way.

Interesting how a year or so ago, the concentration was Florida. Now - the weighted chips are being played for the eastern seaboard, particularly the northeast.

stlgph wrote:

September and October is pretty much down for everyone. UAL is down to what 19 or 20 during that time frame and AA is dropping down to 29-30 flights per day? And by the looks of it, it looks as though DCA at times has the most nonstops per day of the cities. Interesting that Charlotte is only at 4. And at the rate they've been going as of late (AA), good luck if something cancels along the way.

Interesting how a year or so ago, the concentration was Florida. Now - the weighted chips are being played for the eastern seaboard, particularly the northeast.

IND-CLT is 6x/day most days, only on off days (Tue/Wed/Sat) is it 4 or 5x day in September/October. IND-CLT is actually operating the most seats its ever had this Fall, due to all the extra mainline. UA is up big seat wise yoy for September/October, also due to the extra mainline.

AA is ~40/day in September, and 34/day on Tue/Wed last I checked.

On Florida, we may see WN try to add some capacity back into Florida, flights for October are already selling out 3 months in advance....and I'm seeing ULCC prices in the $300s already for some one-ways around the Fall Break period.

Midwestindy wrote:

stlgph wrote:

September and October is pretty much down for everyone. UAL is down to what 19 or 20 during that time frame and AA is dropping down to 29-30 flights per day? And by the looks of it, it looks as though DCA at times has the most nonstops per day of the cities. Interesting that Charlotte is only at 4. And at the rate they've been going as of late (AA), good luck if something cancels along the way.

Interesting how a year or so ago, the concentration was Florida. Now - the weighted chips are being played for the eastern seaboard, particularly the northeast.

IND-CLT is 6x/day most days, only on off days (Tue/Wed/Sat) is it 4 or 5x day in September/October. IND-CLT is actually operating the most seats its ever had this Fall, due to all the extra mainline. UA is up big seat wise yoy for September/October, also due to the extra mainline.

AA is ~40/day in September, and 34/day on Tue/Wed last I checked.

On Florida, we may see WN try to add some capacity back into Florida, flights for October are already selling out 3 months in advance....and I'm seeing ULCC prices in the $300s already for some one-ways around the Fall Break period.

Get AA on the Florida train. IND-MCO/TPA/RSW
United did alright. AA would do much better

May Enplanements: 89.9% of 2019

YTD Comparisons:
SJC-3,980,012
MCI-3,622,019
SAT-3,519,562
IND- 3,457,186
PIT-3,069,155
CVG-2,808,102

CMH + CLE-N/A

IND carriers % of May 2019 enplanements
SY-261.0%
NK-182.2%
AA-115.4%
UA-101.6%
AS-97.8%
G4-83.9%
WN-81.7%
F9-77.8%
DL-66.4% (Ouch!)
AC-25.1%
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Midwestindy wrote:

May Enplanements: 89.9% of 2019

YTD Comparisons:
SJC-3,980,012
MCI-3,622,019
SAT-3,519,562
IND- 3,457,186
PIT-3,069,155
CVG-2,808,102

CMH + CLE-N/A

IND carriers % of May 2019 enplanements
SY-261.0%
NK-182.2%
AA-115.4%
UA-101.6%
AS-97.8%
G4-83.9%
WN-81.7%
F9-77.8%
DL-66.4% (Ouch!)
AC-25.1%
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Wow Delta really falling behind

Midwestindy wrote:

May Enplanements: 89.9% of 2019

YTD Comparisons:
SJC-3,980,012
MCI-3,622,019
SAT-3,519,562
IND- 3,457,186
PIT-3,069,155
CVG-2,808,102

CMH + CLE-N/A

IND carriers % of May 2019 enplanements
SY-261.0%
NK-182.2%
AA-115.4%
UA-101.6%
AS-97.8%
G4-83.9%
WN-81.7%
F9-77.8%
DL-66.4% (Ouch!)
AC-25.1%
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Big Yikes from Delta
How is F9 and G4 so low?

bringbackATA wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

May Enplanements: 89.9% of 2019

YTD Comparisons:
SJC-3,980,012
MCI-3,622,019
SAT-3,519,562
IND- 3,457,186
PIT-3,069,155
CVG-2,808,102

CMH + CLE-N/A

IND carriers % of May 2019 enplanements
SY-261.0%
NK-182.2%
AA-115.4%
UA-101.6%
AS-97.8%
G4-83.9%
WN-81.7%
F9-77.8%
DL-66.4% (Ouch!)
AC-25.1%
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Big Yikes from Delta
How is F9 and G4 so low?

NK ate up some of their Florida & LAS share

Some insane inbound Loads….only included the ones over 93% for the most part, plenty of others between 90 & 93

April 2022
AS IND-SEA-87.9% (94.6% inbound)

AA IND-PHX-92.0% (98.1% inbound)
AA IND-LAX-91.3% (96.3% inbound)
AA IND-CLT-91.2%
AA IND-DFW-87.7% (96.0% inbound)
AA Envoy only IND-ORD-85.0%
AA IND-PHL-81.7%
AA IND-DCA-81.3%
AA IND-AUS-80.3%
AA IND-MIA-74.1% ( basically all mainline)

G4 IND-LAS-97.2%
G4 IND-PIE-91.3% (96.8% inbound)
G4 IND-SFB-90.9% (95.8% inbound)
G4 IND-LAX-88.6% (95.0% inbound)
G4 IND-JAX-88.6%
G4 IND-SRQ-87.3% (97.3% inbound)
G4 IND-FLL-86.0%  (94.1% inbound)
G4 IND-AUS-82.1% (93.9% inbound)
G4 IND-PGD-80.5% (97.2% inbound)
G4 IND-VPS-80.0%
G4 IND-SAV-75.9%
G4 IND-MSY-69.3%
G4 IND-EYW-60.8%
G4 IND-BOS-60.2%
G4 IND-PBI-56.5% (97.4% inbound)

DL IND-MSP-89.1%
DL IND-ATL-88.4%
DL IND-LAX-86.4%
DL IND-DTW-79.8%

F9 IND-MCO-79.4%
F9 IND-DEN-76.8%
F9 IND-LAS-69.6%

LF IND-BNA-51.4% (68.4% inbound ~21 pax/flight)

NK IND-LAS-90.6%
NK IND-MCO-79.5%
NK IND-RSW-74.9% (93.8% inbound)
NK IND-FLL-74.6%
NK IND-TPA-72.8%

WN IND-RSW-95.6% (96.5% inbound)
WN IND-LAS-95.5% (96.6% inbound)
WN IND-SRQ-92.0% (97.2% inbound)
WN IND-PHX-91.7% (94.7% inbound)
WN IND-MCO-91.5%
WN IND-MIA-90.2% (1 Departure)
WN IND-DAL-87.9%
WN IND-AUS-87.7% (95.0% inbound)
WN IND-TPA-87.6% (96.0% inbound)
WN IND-ATL-85.5%
WN IND-FLL-84.4% (95.9% inbound)
WN IND-HOU-81.5%
WN IND-BWI-78.5%
WN IND-DEN-78.5% (93.1% inbound)
WN IND-ECP-75.1%

UA IND-RSW-97.2% (95.4% inbound)
UA IND-SFO-88.3% (92.7% inbound)
UA IND-DEN-86.2%
UA IND-IAH-82.2%
UA+Air Wisconsin only IND-ORD-81.6%
UA IND-EWR-70.7%
UA IND-IAD-70.6%


Combined
IND-BOS-62.9%

YX IND-JFK-54.3%
9E (DL) IND-JFK-67.4%

9E(DL) IND-LGA-78.5% (19 Departures)
YX IND-LGA-58.9%

Midwestindy wrote:

Some insane inbound Loads….only included the ones over 93% for the most part, plenty of others between 90 & 93

April 2022
AS IND-SEA-87.9% (94.6% inbound)

AA IND-PHX-92.0% (98.1% inbound)
AA IND-LAX-91.3% (96.3% inbound)
AA IND-CLT-91.2%
AA IND-DFW-87.7% (96.0% inbound)
AA Envoy only IND-ORD-85.0%
AA IND-PHL-81.7%
AA IND-DCA-81.3%
AA IND-AUS-80.3%
AA IND-MIA-74.1% ( basically all mainline)

G4 IND-LAS-97.2%
G4 IND-PIE-91.3% (96.8% inbound)
G4 IND-SFB-90.9% (95.8% inbound)
G4 IND-LAX-88.6% (95.0% inbound)
G4 IND-JAX-88.6%
G4 IND-SRQ-87.3% (97.3% inbound)
G4 IND-FLL-86.0%  (94.1% inbound)
G4 IND-AUS-82.1% (93.9% inbound)
G4 IND-PGD-80.5% (97.2% inbound)
G4 IND-VPS-80.0%
G4 IND-SAV-75.9%
G4 IND-MSY-69.3%
G4 IND-EYW-60.8%
G4 IND-BOS-60.2%
G4 IND-PBI-56.5% (97.4% inbound)

DL IND-MSP-89.1%
DL IND-ATL-88.4%
DL IND-LAX-86.4%
DL IND-DTW-79.8%

F9 IND-MCO-79.4%
F9 IND-DEN-76.8%
F9 IND-LAS-69.6%

LF IND-BNA-51.4% (68.4% inbound ~21 pax/flight)

NK IND-LAS-90.6%
NK IND-MCO-79.5%
NK IND-RSW-74.9% (93.8% inbound)
NK IND-FLL-74.6%
NK IND-TPA-72.8%

WN IND-RSW-95.6% (96.5% inbound)
WN IND-LAS-95.5% (96.6% inbound)
WN IND-SRQ-92.0% (97.2% inbound)
WN IND-PHX-91.7% (94.7% inbound)
WN IND-MCO-91.5%
WN IND-MIA-90.2% (1 Departure)
WN IND-DAL-87.9%
WN IND-AUS-87.7% (95.0% inbound)
WN IND-TPA-87.6% (96.0% inbound)
WN IND-ATL-85.5%
WN IND-FLL-84.4% (95.9% inbound)
WN IND-HOU-81.5%
WN IND-BWI-78.5%
WN IND-DEN-78.5% (93.1% inbound)
WN IND-ECP-75.1%

UA IND-RSW-97.2% (95.4% inbound)
UA IND-SFO-88.3% (92.7% inbound)
UA IND-DEN-86.2%
UA IND-IAH-82.2%
UA+Air Wisconsin only IND-ORD-81.6%
UA IND-EWR-70.7%
UA IND-IAD-70.6%


Combined
IND-BOS-62.9%

YX IND-JFK-54.3%
9E (DL) IND-JFK-67.4%

9E(DL) IND-LGA-78.5% (19 Departures)
YX IND-LGA-58.9%

Got a question for you guys with Boston struggling so much, if it ever happens could B6 add BOS-IND to maybe drive the prices down cause I think Delta and American charge quite a bit per ticket its just a thought I had.

ilive4planes wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

Some insane inbound Loads….only included the ones over 93% for the most part, plenty of others between 90 & 93

April 2022
AS IND-SEA-87.9% (94.6% inbound)

AA IND-PHX-92.0% (98.1% inbound)
AA IND-LAX-91.3% (96.3% inbound)
AA IND-CLT-91.2%
AA IND-DFW-87.7% (96.0% inbound)
AA Envoy only IND-ORD-85.0%
AA IND-PHL-81.7%
AA IND-DCA-81.3%
AA IND-AUS-80.3%
AA IND-MIA-74.1% ( basically all mainline)

G4 IND-LAS-97.2%
G4 IND-PIE-91.3% (96.8% inbound)
G4 IND-SFB-90.9% (95.8% inbound)
G4 IND-LAX-88.6% (95.0% inbound)
G4 IND-JAX-88.6%
G4 IND-SRQ-87.3% (97.3% inbound)
G4 IND-FLL-86.0%  (94.1% inbound)
G4 IND-AUS-82.1% (93.9% inbound)
G4 IND-PGD-80.5% (97.2% inbound)
G4 IND-VPS-80.0%
G4 IND-SAV-75.9%
G4 IND-MSY-69.3%
G4 IND-EYW-60.8%
G4 IND-BOS-60.2%
G4 IND-PBI-56.5% (97.4% inbound)

DL IND-MSP-89.1%
DL IND-ATL-88.4%
DL IND-LAX-86.4%
DL IND-DTW-79.8%

F9 IND-MCO-79.4%
F9 IND-DEN-76.8%
F9 IND-LAS-69.6%

LF IND-BNA-51.4% (68.4% inbound ~21 pax/flight)

NK IND-LAS-90.6%
NK IND-MCO-79.5%
NK IND-RSW-74.9% (93.8% inbound)
NK IND-FLL-74.6%
NK IND-TPA-72.8%

WN IND-RSW-95.6% (96.5% inbound)
WN IND-LAS-95.5% (96.6% inbound)
WN IND-SRQ-92.0% (97.2% inbound)
WN IND-PHX-91.7% (94.7% inbound)
WN IND-MCO-91.5%
WN IND-MIA-90.2% (1 Departure)
WN IND-DAL-87.9%
WN IND-AUS-87.7% (95.0% inbound)
WN IND-TPA-87.6% (96.0% inbound)
WN IND-ATL-85.5%
WN IND-FLL-84.4% (95.9% inbound)
WN IND-HOU-81.5%
WN IND-BWI-78.5%
WN IND-DEN-78.5% (93.1% inbound)
WN IND-ECP-75.1%

UA IND-RSW-97.2% (95.4% inbound)
UA IND-SFO-88.3% (92.7% inbound)
UA IND-DEN-86.2%
UA IND-IAH-82.2%
UA+Air Wisconsin only IND-ORD-81.6%
UA IND-EWR-70.7%
UA IND-IAD-70.6%


Combined
IND-BOS-62.9%

YX IND-JFK-54.3%
9E (DL) IND-JFK-67.4%

9E(DL) IND-LGA-78.5% (19 Departures)
YX IND-LGA-58.9%

Got a question for you guys with Boston struggling so much, if it ever happens could B6 add BOS-IND to maybe drive the prices down cause I think Delta and American charge quite a bit per ticket its just a thought I had.

If they are having bad loads you probably aren’t going to see someone else on it. Especially B6 since they are aligned with AA. They aren’t going to want to dilute it more.

Jshank83 wrote:

ilive4planes wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

Some insane inbound Loads….only included the ones over 93% for the most part, plenty of others between 90 & 93

April 2022
AS IND-SEA-87.9% (94.6% inbound)

AA IND-PHX-92.0% (98.1% inbound)
AA IND-LAX-91.3% (96.3% inbound)
AA IND-CLT-91.2%
AA IND-DFW-87.7% (96.0% inbound)
AA Envoy only IND-ORD-85.0%
AA IND-PHL-81.7%
AA IND-DCA-81.3%
AA IND-AUS-80.3%
AA IND-MIA-74.1% ( basically all mainline)

G4 IND-LAS-97.2%
G4 IND-PIE-91.3% (96.8% inbound)
G4 IND-SFB-90.9% (95.8% inbound)
G4 IND-LAX-88.6% (95.0% inbound)
G4 IND-JAX-88.6%
G4 IND-SRQ-87.3% (97.3% inbound)
G4 IND-FLL-86.0%  (94.1% inbound)
G4 IND-AUS-82.1% (93.9% inbound)
G4 IND-PGD-80.5% (97.2% inbound)
G4 IND-VPS-80.0%
G4 IND-SAV-75.9%
G4 IND-MSY-69.3%
G4 IND-EYW-60.8%
G4 IND-BOS-60.2%
G4 IND-PBI-56.5% (97.4% inbound)

DL IND-MSP-89.1%
DL IND-ATL-88.4%
DL IND-LAX-86.4%
DL IND-DTW-79.8%

F9 IND-MCO-79.4%
F9 IND-DEN-76.8%
F9 IND-LAS-69.6%

LF IND-BNA-51.4% (68.4% inbound ~21 pax/flight)

NK IND-LAS-90.6%
NK IND-MCO-79.5%
NK IND-RSW-74.9% (93.8% inbound)
NK IND-FLL-74.6%
NK IND-TPA-72.8%

WN IND-RSW-95.6% (96.5% inbound)
WN IND-LAS-95.5% (96.6% inbound)
WN IND-SRQ-92.0% (97.2% inbound)
WN IND-PHX-91.7% (94.7% inbound)
WN IND-MCO-91.5%
WN IND-MIA-90.2% (1 Departure)
WN IND-DAL-87.9%
WN IND-AUS-87.7% (95.0% inbound)
WN IND-TPA-87.6% (96.0% inbound)
WN IND-ATL-85.5%
WN IND-FLL-84.4% (95.9% inbound)
WN IND-HOU-81.5%
WN IND-BWI-78.5%
WN IND-DEN-78.5% (93.1% inbound)
WN IND-ECP-75.1%

UA IND-RSW-97.2% (95.4% inbound)
UA IND-SFO-88.3% (92.7% inbound)
UA IND-DEN-86.2%
UA IND-IAH-82.2%
UA+Air Wisconsin only IND-ORD-81.6%
UA IND-EWR-70.7%
UA IND-IAD-70.6%


Combined
IND-BOS-62.9%

YX IND-JFK-54.3%
9E (DL) IND-JFK-67.4%

9E(DL) IND-LGA-78.5% (19 Departures)
YX IND-LGA-58.9%

Got a question for you guys with Boston struggling so much, if it ever happens could B6 add BOS-IND to maybe drive the prices down cause I think Delta and American charge quite a bit per ticket its just a thought I had.

If they are having bad loads you probably aren’t going to see someone else on it. Especially B6 since they are aligned with AA. They aren’t going to want to dilute it more.

So pretty much JetBlue will probably never launch IND?

ilive4planes wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

ilive4planes wrote:

Got a question for you guys with Boston struggling so much, if it ever happens could B6 add BOS-IND to maybe drive the prices down cause I think Delta and American charge quite a bit per ticket its just a thought I had.

If they are having bad loads you probably aren’t going to see someone else on it. Especially B6 since they are aligned with AA. They aren’t going to want to dilute it more.

So pretty much JetBlue will probably never launch IND?

It can serve IND without serving Boston. If they do end up buying Spirit they will be at IND

Jshank83 wrote:

ilive4planes wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

If they are having bad loads you probably aren’t going to see someone else on it. Especially B6 since they are aligned with AA. They aren’t going to want to dilute it more.

So pretty much JetBlue will probably never launch IND?

It can serve IND without serving Boston. If they do end up buying Spirit they will be at IND

Okay

Saw a FedEx 767 doing lots of Touch and Go today. Anyone know what’s up? New Aircraft??

bringbackATA wrote:

Saw a FedEx 767 doing lots of Touch and Go today. Anyone know what’s up? New Aircraft??

Training flights or testing out the new runway surface or calibrating instrument approach’s or someone needed flight time

June 2022

Enplanements % of 2019: 88.2%

IND carriers % of June 2019 enplanements
SY-561.8%
NK-141.3%
AS-136.8%
AA-111.8%
G4-103.5%
UA-88.6%
F9-84.8%
WN-80.7%
DL-66.4% (Ouch!)
AC-56.6%
LF-inf


IND - 4,236,027
CVG - 3,515,737

CMH/CLE/MCI/PIT/SAT N/A


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Midwestindy wrote:

June 2022

Enplanements % of 2019: 88.2%

IND carriers % of June 2019 enplanements
SY-561.8%
NK-141.3%
AS-136.8%
AA-111.8%
G4-103.5%
UA-88.6%
F9-84.8%
WN-80.7%
DL-66.4% (Ouch!)
AC-56.6%
LF-inf


IND - 4,236,027
CVG - 3,515,737

CMH/CLE/MCI/PIT/SAT N/A


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Deltas Falling Behind more than I thought. Is LF still going to Serve IND-BNA in the near future, I see IND-BNA is set to end in September

If the Spirit/JetBlue merger goes thru will IND survive the Merger or will it be cut?

I say it's 50/50 either way

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"Among airports in the United States that serve 2 to 3 million people, Kansas City International Airport is the third-largest market that doesn’t offer transatlantic flights. The airport is behind Cleveland Hopkins International Airport and Indianapolis International Airport, according to KCI marketing and air service director Justin Meyer."

"Services to Albuquerque, Indianapolis, Milwaukee and San Antonio haven’t been added back yet since May 2020, but KCI is looking to get those nonstop flights up and running in the future."
https://www.kansascity.com/living/trave ... rylink=cpy

ibthebigd wrote:

If the Spirit/JetBlue merger goes thru will IND survive the Merger or will it be cut?

I say it's 50/50 either way

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IND will survive, it is too big to cut completely, and they have tons of aircraft coming so no need to cut the whole station.

I think IND will survive for the combined JetBlue and Spirit. B6 is going into this transaction because their current business model and cost isn’t aligned and ultimately they need morph into more markets, new revenue streams, and lower their unit costs while giving customers more network choice.

There are a lot of synergy areas between the two despite having very different reputations; one of them is their market presence in Florida. This new combined carrier is will be serious competition for “traditional” LCCs surviving today, especially Southwest.

Midwestindy wrote:

"Among airports in the United States that serve 2 to 3 million people, Kansas City International Airport is the third-largest market that doesn’t offer transatlantic flights. The airport is behind Cleveland Hopkins International Airport and Indianapolis International Airport, according to KCI marketing and air service director Justin Meyer."

"Services to Albuquerque, Indianapolis, Milwaukee and San Antonio haven’t been added back yet since May 2020, but KCI is looking to get those nonstop flights up and running in the future."
https://www.kansascity.com/living/trave ... rylink=cpy

ibthebigd wrote:

If the Spirit/JetBlue merger goes thru will IND survive the Merger or will it be cut?

I say it's 50/50 either way

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IND will survive, it is too big to cut completely, and they have tons of aircraft coming so no need to cut the whole station.

Always thought Contour should have done it. Seemed to have Decent Demand . Maybe a AA route if they make us a Second AUS

DL downguaged the 7 IND-LAX flights in September down to A319s.

Some AA updates:

AA is upguauging IND-LAX all the way up to the A321neo(their largest non-widebody aircraft), for most of September (Some days remain A320s). Did not expect them to add any capacity this late in after DL cut it down.

IND-PHX will alternate between 1-2x A321neo (other days 1x A320/1xA321neo).

AA is really commanding the West coast traffic that DL is spilling. Just looking at LAX-IND fares for AA next month, and many days are over $400-500 for one-way.

AA in October will see a big jump in mainline, October will be ~17 mainline/day for AA, compared to ~13 mainline/day this month.

IND-PHL will be up to 3 mainline flights/day, IND-ORD up to 2 mainline flights/day.

Wonder if we are getting ourselves to an eventual gate re-alignment in the next few years.
AA shift to A and gets more footroom with gates.
Delta shift to B
Alaska shift out and Allegiant moves further down in B.
Others generally stay the same - perhaps.

Delete

Midwestindy wrote:

DL downguaged the 7 IND-LAX flights in September down to A319s.

Some AA updates:

AA is upguauging IND-LAX all the way up to the A321neo(their largest non-widebody aircraft), for most of September (Some days remain A320s). Did not expect them to add any capacity this late in after DL cut it down.

IND-PHX will alternate between 1-2x A321neo (other days 1x A320/1xA321neo).

AA is really commanding the West coast traffic that DL is spilling. Just looking at LAX-IND fares for AA next month, and many days are over $400-500 for one-way.

AA in October will see a big jump in mainline, October will be ~17 mainline/day for AA, compared to ~13 mainline/day this month.

IND-PHL will be up to 3 mainline flights/day, IND-ORD up to 2 mainline flights/day.

Some good Compacity upgrades. Any Frequency changes?

F9 cutting IND-RSW

Any updates on FedEx construction at IND?

Midwestindy wrote:

June 2022

Enplanements % of 2019: 88.2%

IND carriers % of June 2019 enplanements
SY-561.8%
NK-141.3%
AS-136.8%
AA-111.8%
G4-103.5%
UA-88.6%
F9-84.8%
WN-80.7%
DL-66.4% (Ouch!)
AC-56.6%
LF-inf


IND - 4,236,027
CVG - 3,515,737

CMH/CLE/MCI/PIT/SAT N/A


https://d1j6zi7czwjuok.cloudfront.net/i ... 0726101904

MCI - 4,552,978
SAT - 4,380,810
IND - 4,236,027
PIT - 3,803,082
CMH - 3,572,739
CVG - 3,515,737

Indy wrote:

Any updates on FedEx construction at IND?

FX construction of this current phase appeared to be mostly complete last time I flew through IND.

Things could get interesting! AA appears to be starting RDU-CVG from January 10 (announced on social media channels by RDU). Since they rarely announce these things in isolation, could we see RDU-IND too?

BangersAndMash wrote:

Things could get interesting! AA appears to be starting RDU-CVG from January 10 (announced on social media channels by RDU). Since they rarely announce these things in isolation, could we see RDU-IND too?

But why would RDU leave out other cities to be added and only announce CVG then? Would be odd imo.

FLYKTPA wrote:

BangersAndMash wrote:

Things could get interesting! AA appears to be starting RDU-CVG from January 10 (announced on social media channels by RDU). Since they rarely announce these things in isolation, could we see RDU-IND too?

But why would RDU leave out other cities to be added and only announce CVG then? Would be odd imo.

The CVG add I feel is just AA giving the Finger to DL. I’d imagine they would announce them separate to give more Hype for the routes. Rather than announcing multiple dest at once

bringbackATA wrote:

FLYKTPA wrote:

BangersAndMash wrote:

Things could get interesting! AA appears to be starting RDU-CVG from January 10 (announced on social media channels by RDU). Since they rarely announce these things in isolation, could we see RDU-IND too?

But why would RDU leave out other cities to be added and only announce CVG then? Would be odd imo.

The CVG add I feel is just AA giving the Finger to DL. I’d imagine they would announce them separate to give more Hype for the routes. Rather than announcing multiple dest at once

DL really scaled back the business routes in RDU post COVID. This is likely just AA trying to pick up the scraps.

FLYKTPA wrote:

BangersAndMash wrote:

Things could get interesting! AA appears to be starting RDU-CVG from January 10 (announced on social media channels by RDU). Since they rarely announce these things in isolation, could we see RDU-IND too?

But why would RDU leave out other cities to be added and only announce CVG then? Would be odd imo.

I mean by every metric IND-RDU outperforms CVG-RDU. I don't see why it wouldn't also make it sense to add IND-RDU sometime in the near future.

Pre-covid


And, Post-covid


IND is actually a base for YX (whose planes AA is using for the CVG-RDU route presumably). And obviously having a base on one end makes it easier to schedule p2p routes.

Not to mention AA has a larger share of the overall IND market compared with CVG, plus AA has a larger share, at higher average fares on IND-RDU than CVG-RDU

https://data.transportation.gov/Aviatio ... -b2ir/data

Saw AC IND-YYZ is getting cut back to 1 flight in Sept/Oct, surprised me a little but I guess it is a slower time. But with all their operational issues maybe it means the flight will be on time with less.... maybe...

Midwestindy wrote:

FLYKTPA wrote:

BangersAndMash wrote:

Things could get interesting! AA appears to be starting RDU-CVG from January 10 (announced on social media channels by RDU). Since they rarely announce these things in isolation, could we see RDU-IND too?

But why would RDU leave out other cities to be added and only announce CVG then? Would be odd imo.

I mean by every metric IND-RDU outperforms CVG-RDU. I don't see why it wouldn't also make it sense to add IND-RDU sometime in the near future.

Pre-covid


And, Post-covid


IND is actually a base for YX (whose planes AA is using for the CVG-RDU route presumably). And obviously having a base on one end makes it easier to schedule p2p routes.

Not to mention AA has a larger share of the overall IND market compared with CVG, plus AA has a larger share, at higher average fares on IND-RDU than CVG-RDU

https://data.transportation.gov/Aviatio ... -b2ir/data

And the competitive landscape isn't that different either. DL has resumed neither of the 2, only F9 currently flies both, but only on a seasonal basis.

That social media post was more a tease than an official announcement so I wouldn't personally draw too many conclusions at this stage.

Maybe we'll know a little more overnight with the schedule update.

AA is adding mainline on IND-DCA in November.

[quote="Midwestindy"]AA is adding mainline on IND-DCA in November.[/quote
Saw that! I counted the Total number of departures for November, If my math is correct then we will have more Departures then compared to Now

bringbackATA wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

AA is adding mainline on IND-DCA in November.[/quote
Saw that! I counted the Total number of departures for November, If my math is correct then we will have more Departures then compared to Now

Looks about the same.

Losing a CLT/DFW frequency, and its being replaced by BOS/JFK frequencies.

I want your guys opinion on this, With the new law that got got signed and takes effect September 15th and Eli Lilly looking outside of Indiana for future projects and possibly Gen Con leaving cause of this new law will this have an impact on future growth at IND?

ilive4planes wrote:

I want your guys opinion on this, With the new law that got got signed and takes effect September 15th and Eli Lilly looking outside of Indiana for future projects and possibly Gen Con leaving cause of this new law will this have an impact on future growth at IND?

Gen Con probably won’t leave. There under contract till 2026,They’ve also gotten a “home” here. On the Lily Aspect, Them opening facility’s outside of the state would just lead to more Biz Travel. Besides there Always Expanding here. There Building a Plant up in Lebanon, They will continue to move in employees from there facilities in Boston,NC to us. It’s how HQ’s work

bringbackATA wrote:

ilive4planes wrote:

I want your guys opinion on this, With the new law that got got signed and takes effect September 15th and Eli Lilly looking outside of Indiana for future projects and possibly Gen Con leaving cause of this new law will this have an impact on future growth at IND?

Gen Con probably won’t leave. There under contract till 2026,They’ve also gotten a “home” here. On the Lily Aspect, Them opening facility’s outside of the state would just lead to more Biz Travel. Besides there Always Expanding here. There Building a Plant up in Lebanon, They will continue to move in employees from there facilities in Boston,NC to us. It’s how HQ’s work

This is going to hurt the state. Just because Gen Con is under contract doesn't mean they can't leave. I'm sure there is a clause they can exploit. The MLB would have been under contract to host the All-Star game in Atlanta and they pulled out. Political extremism has a host and Indiana and IND is about to find out what that cost is.

Indy wrote:

bringbackATA wrote:

ilive4planes wrote:

I want your guys opinion on this, With the new law that got got signed and takes effect September 15th and Eli Lilly looking outside of Indiana for future projects and possibly Gen Con leaving cause of this new law will this have an impact on future growth at IND?

Gen Con probably won’t leave. There under contract till 2026,They’ve also gotten a “home” here. On the Lily Aspect, Them opening facility’s outside of the state would just lead to more Biz Travel. Besides there Always Expanding here. There Building a Plant up in Lebanon, They will continue to move in employees from there facilities in Boston,NC to us. It’s how HQ’s work

This is going to hurt the state. Just because Gen Con is under contract doesn't mean they can't leave. I'm sure there is a clause they can exploit. The MLB would have been under contract to host the All-Star game in Atlanta and they pulled out. Political extremism has a host and Indiana and IND is about to find out what that cost is.

To be fair, more than half of other states have or will enact similar laws.

"And Gahl says the outlook for future conventions is strong, with a production pipeline of events at 97% of 2019 levels."

"Chris Gahl says so far this year, Indianapolis has the highest downtown hotel occupancy in the nation for convention business"
https://www.insideindianabusiness.com/a ... k-on-track

I'm not so it will hurt IND reason being where else is there to go-- coastal states but those are very high cost places to do business. Illinois seems to have other challenges. Minnesota-- OK there's one.

My point said another way: Texas seems to be the fastest growing state in the nation.

flyboy80 wrote:

I think IND will survive for the combined JetBlue and Spirit. B6 is going into this transaction because their current business model and cost isn’t aligned and ultimately they need morph into more markets, new revenue streams, and lower their unit costs while giving customers more network choice.

There are a lot of synergy areas between the two despite having very different reputations; one of them is their market presence in Florida. This new combined carrier is will be serious competition for “traditional” LCCs surviving today, especially Southwest.

100% IND will survive a NK/B6 merger. B6 is saving a whole lot of cost in opening up stations with this merger with NK. There is no chance it will give up on infrastructure to markets that it has to serve. How do you become a 5th major without serving IND? Makes no sense.

Now, the route map will probably look different than what it is now.

G4 extended its schedule through next Spring Break:

BOS/LAX/PBI return

PSP and MSY do not.

Midwestindy wrote:

G4 extended its schedule through next Spring Break:

BOS/LAX/PBI return

PSP and MSY do not.

Surprised to see PBI returning not surprised that PSP isn’t hopefully G4 will launch SAN

May
AS IND-SEA-96.0%

G4 IND-LAS-94.6%
G4 IND-PIE-94.6% (PIE-IND-96.0%)
G4 IND-SFB-92.1%
G4 IND-CHS-91.9%
G4 IND-FLL-91.8% (FLL-IND-95.3%)
G4 IND-PGD-90.9% (PGD-IND-96.0%)
G4 IND-JAX-90.5%
G4 IND-SRQ-90.5% (SRQ-IND-94.5%)
G4 IND-AUS-89.1%
G4 IND-VPS-88.3%
G4 IND-BOS-78.3%
G4 IND-SAV-76.3%
G4 IND-EYW-65.9%

AA IND-DFW-94.5% (DFW-IND-95.3%)
AA IND-PHX-93.6% (PHX-IND-97.0%)
AA IND-PHL-92.6%
AA IND-LAX-92.4%
AA IND-AUS-91.4%
AA IND-CLT-91.4%
AA IND-ORD-90.4% (Envoy mainline only)
AA IND-DCA-86.7%
AA IND-MIA-85.4%
AA IND-JFK-71.0%

LF IND-BNA-62.8% (BNA-IND-75.0%)

DL IND-LAX-95.9%
DL IND-MSP-92.7%
DL IND-ATL-90.7%
DL IND-DTW-86.4%
DL IND-JFK-85.0%

F9 IND-MCO-92.1%
F9 IND-DEN-90.6%
F9 IND-LAS-86.7% (LAS-IND-93.3%)

WN IND-LAS-95.5%
WN IND-RSW-94.8%
WN IND-PHX-94.2%
WN IND-HOU-94.1%
WN IND-SRQ-93.7%
WN IND-ATL-92.6% (ATL-IND-94.9%)
WN IND-DAL-92.3% (DAL-IND-94.6%)
WN IND-TPA-92.7% (TPA-IND-95.6%)
WN IND-AUS-92.2% (AUS-IND-94.8%)
WN IND-FLL-91.5% (FLL-IND-94.9%)
WN IND-MCO-91.2%
WN IND-BWI-90.4%
WN IND-DEN-88.9%
WN IND-ECP-82.4%

NK IND-LAS-91.9%
NK IND-FLL-91.2%
NK IND-RSW-86.6% (RSW-IND-96.4%)
NK IND-MCO-86.2%
NK IND-MYR-60.3% (4 Departures, still bad)

UA IND-SFO-94.2%
UA IND-DEN-92.6%
UA IND-IAH-89.5%
UA IND-ORD-88.2% (Mainline only)
UA IND-IAD-86.0%
UA IND-EWR-84.1%

IND-BOS-78.5%
IND-LGA-73.7%

Contour's contract with the IEDC ends on October 7th, barring a new contract looks like flights are slated to end at the end of September.

Midwestindy wrote:

May
AS IND-SEA-96.0%

G4 IND-LAS-94.6%
G4 IND-PIE-94.6% (PIE-IND-96.0%)
G4 IND-SFB-92.1%
G4 IND-CHS-91.9%
G4 IND-FLL-91.8% (FLL-IND-95.3%)
G4 IND-PGD-90.9% (PGD-IND-96.0%)
G4 IND-JAX-90.5%
G4 IND-SRQ-90.5% (SRQ-IND-94.5%)
G4 IND-AUS-89.1%
G4 IND-VPS-88.3%
G4 IND-BOS-78.3%
G4 IND-SAV-76.3%
G4 IND-EYW-65.9%

AA IND-DFW-94.5% (DFW-IND-95.3%)
AA IND-PHX-93.6% (PHX-IND-97.0%)
AA IND-PHL-92.6%
AA IND-LAX-92.4%
AA IND-AUS-91.4%
AA IND-CLT-91.4%
AA IND-ORD-90.4% (Envoy mainline only)
AA IND-DCA-86.7%
AA IND-MIA-85.4%
AA IND-JFK-71.0%

LF IND-BNA-62.8% (BNA-IND-75.0%)

DL IND-LAX-95.9%
DL IND-MSP-92.7%
DL IND-ATL-90.7%
DL IND-DTW-86.4%
DL IND-JFK-85.0%

F9 IND-MCO-92.1%
F9 IND-DEN-90.6%
F9 IND-LAS-86.7% (LAS-IND-93.3%)

WN IND-LAS-95.5%
WN IND-RSW-94.8%
WN IND-PHX-94.2%
WN IND-HOU-94.1%
WN IND-SRQ-93.7%
WN IND-ATL-92.6% (ATL-IND-94.9%)
WN IND-DAL-92.3% (DAL-IND-94.6%)
WN IND-TPA-92.7% (TPA-IND-95.6%)
WN IND-AUS-92.2% (AUS-IND-94.8%)
WN IND-FLL-91.5% (FLL-IND-94.9%)
WN IND-MCO-91.2%
WN IND-BWI-90.4%
WN IND-DEN-88.9%
WN IND-ECP-82.4%

NK IND-LAS-91.9%
NK IND-FLL-91.2%
NK IND-RSW-86.6% (RSW-IND-96.4%)
NK IND-MCO-86.2%
NK IND-MYR-60.3% (4 Departures, still bad)

UA IND-SFO-94.2%
UA IND-DEN-92.6%
UA IND-IAH-89.5%
UA IND-ORD-88.2% (Mainline only)
UA IND-IAD-86.0%
UA IND-EWR-84.1%

IND-BOS-78.5%
IND-LGA-73.7%

Delta 10+% to JFK. Is rather shocking. DL also being ahead in the LA race has some shock imo.
United needs to bring back 2X to SFO, Or AS, I know who I’d take for my multiple trips to the Bay Area a year!