ilive4planes wrote:

What are predictions for IND for 2022?

ibthebigd wrote:

More Allegaint Dartboard routes
MLB
SAN
ORF
RNO
OAK

Allegiant starts Mexico service

Southwest stays about the same

Spirit adds a few routes

Delta keeps being conservative

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Runway765 wrote:

ilive4planes wrote:

What are predictions for IND for 2022?

I would luv it if WN finally added IND-BNA, but me thinks it won’t happen until more gates are online at BNA.

FlyingElvii wrote:

Doubtful...
Too short of a route, with no real connection advantage over the existing non-stops.

Contour's service is getting 25-30 on peak days, WN could likely get 50?

Indy wrote:

I don't pay much attention to WN. Did they permanently drop IND-MDW and IND-STL? IND-BNA is much further than MDW and slightly further than STL. So I was wondering.

Midwestindy wrote:

DL is adding IND-HSV/SAV/BHM, and scheduled 13 ATL-IND flights on Jan 11, looks like 1 or 2 extra DTW as well

bringbackATA wrote:

Well that was fast . Start the New Route Counter already. ( yes I know there’s only 1 In/outbound flight of these but they count on my book)

bringbackATA wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

DL is adding IND-HSV/SAV/BHM, and scheduled 13 ATL-IND flights on Jan 11, looks like 1 or 2 extra DTW as well

Well that was fast . Start the New Route Counter already. ( yes I know there’s only 1 In/outbound flight of these but they count on my book)

Planeboy17 wrote:

bringbackATA wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

DL is adding IND-HSV/SAV/BHM, and scheduled 13 ATL-IND flights on Jan 11, looks like 1 or 2 extra DTW as well

Well that was fast . Start the New Route Counter already. ( yes I know there’s only 1 In/outbound flight of these but they count on my book)

I cant tell if you know but these are only for the COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYOFF game.

bringbackATA wrote:

Planeboy17 wrote:

bringbackATA wrote:

Well that was fast . Start the New Route Counter already. ( yes I know there’s only 1 In/outbound flight of these but they count on my book)

I cant tell if you know but these are only for the COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYOFF game.

Yea I know. I’m going to BE AT THE GAME thats why I said “ yes I know there’s only 1 In/outbound flight”

bringbackATA wrote:

Here’s a good one. Say the Airport revealed a Improvement plan to be done by 2040. What would you like to see on it? Any Addition of Gates? More Baggage Belts? ( note can’t be I want X airline here.had to be about the airport rather than air service )

strangeplanes wrote:

What was the expansion plan laid out in the original terminal designs? Would hope more than 2-4 gates will be needed in 30 years.....

The biggest change I desire is moving security before concessions

IndyHoosier wrote:

strangeplanes wrote:

What was the expansion plan laid out in the original terminal designs? Would hope more than 2-4 gates will be needed in 30 years.....

The biggest change I desire is moving security before concessions

I can't find it, but I recall seeing a plan that allowed for 5 additional gates each at the end of A & B to have a total of 50 gates. It also showed an "X" shaped terminal to the north east of the current terminal to allow for additional gates. That's obviously decades in the future.

bringbackATA wrote:

Here’s a good one. Say the Airport revealed a Improvement plan to be done by 2040. What would you like to see on it? Any Addition of Gates? More Baggage Belts? ( note can’t be I want X airline here.had to be about the airport rather than air service )

bringbackATA wrote:

Here’s a good one. Say the Airport revealed a Improvement plan to be done by 2040. What would you like to see on it? Any Addition of Gates? More Baggage Belts? ( note can’t be I want X airline here.had to be about the airport rather than air service )

• Expanded customs/immigration facilities (should be easy by eliminating the green space adjacent to the existing facilities)
• Light or elevated rail connection to downtown
• Moving walkway between A and B concourses
• Gate expansion (original plans cover this)
• On-site hotel (was proposed in 2018)
• Giant ball pit for use during delays (okay just kidding)

fedex1 wrote:

How many gates is this currently terminal suppose to have when fully built?

Do we really need more gate space?

stlgph wrote:

You'd have to call up the architecture and ask them directly. But in working in communications with a number of construction companies, I can tell you new builds often incorporate anticipated advances of technology and new, efficient procedures into the design.

I.E. - when they were designing the space, they weren't building it for the processes and procedures of 2005, but for the processes and procedures of the year 2025, or what have you - no reason to build a space of 10 lanes to process 200 people in under an hour when you can use new forms, software, etc., and have just 2 lanes and still process 200 people in under an hour.

iFlyDTW wrote:

I foresee a day where IND will see several widebody flights a day. I'm talking about several flights to Europe and a flight to Asia. There's no doubt in my mind that British Airways, KLM or Air France, Lufthansa or Eurowings, Emirates or Turkish, and Hawaiian could provide long haul widebody service from IND by 2030.

iFlyDTW wrote:

I foresee a day where IND will see several widebody flights a day. I'm talking about several flights to Europe and a flight to Asia. There's no doubt in my mind that British Airways, KLM or Air France, Lufthansa or Eurowings, Emirates or Turkish, and Hawaiian could provide long haul widebody service from IND by 2030.

stlgph wrote:

I dunno, I guess someone missed the memo the baggage claim and customs area should be big enough for all 300 people at once can grab their bags simultaneously and make it out of customs at exactly the same time for the plethora of widebody international flights which are currently serving the airport.

stlgph wrote:

You'd have to call up the architecture and ask them directly. But in working in communications with a number of construction companies, I can tell you new builds often incorporate anticipated advances of technology and new, efficient procedures into the design.

I.E. - when they were designing the space, they weren't building it for the processes and procedures of 2005, but for the processes and procedures of the year 2025, or what have you - no reason to build a space of 10 lanes to process 200 people in under an hour when you can use new forms, software, etc., and have just 2 lanes and still process 200 people in under an hour.

fedex1 wrote:

To be fair I think stlgph is saying, IND with the new terminal was looking ahead on a lot of things, and look to progress in the new technology, but IND did probably miss things that should have been in the design but arent. Its always cheaper to build now, than later.
I am in the construction industry. I have seen interstates built, and within 6-10 years we have torn out the existing and added more lanes, and new exits with bridges, drainage, walls, list goes on. I was simply saying when I orginally asked why did they ( IND ) build customs so small, I have seen referenced here a few times, from folks that say it is small . If that is so, why not build bigger? Put up a temporary wall until that area needs to expand ? Obviously IND is not seeing widebody flights or international traffic currently.
I don't think IND will be tearing down this terminal for years to come. So why not build those areas, baggage / customs / space for lounges whatever just a little bit bigger for future growth?

fedex1 wrote:

Question: Is there enough room for AA to add a lounge if they wanted, but DL wanted to keep their lounge? Room for 2??

Midwestindy wrote:

Allegiant has had a big route announcement every year (sans 2019) for the past 5 years on the Tuesday of the second week of January.

IND has also had a non-G4 related route announcement every January(sans 2019) since 2014, and a G4 announcement every year sans 2019/2020.

Just saying.....

kindeham wrote:

fedex1 wrote:

To be fair I think stlgph is saying, IND with the new terminal was looking ahead on a lot of things, and look to progress in the new technology, but IND did probably miss things that should have been in the design but arent. Its always cheaper to build now, than later.
I am in the construction industry. I have seen interstates built, and within 6-10 years we have torn out the existing and added more lanes, and new exits with bridges, drainage, walls, list goes on. I was simply saying when I orginally asked why did they ( IND ) build customs so small, I have seen referenced here a few times, from folks that say it is small . If that is so, why not build bigger? Put up a temporary wall until that area needs to expand ? Obviously IND is not seeing widebody flights or international traffic currently.
I don't think IND will be tearing down this terminal for years to come. So why not build those areas, baggage / customs / space for lounges whatever just a little bit bigger for future growth?

I agree that IND was looking ahead on a lot of things - and did a wondeful job of it. The discussion is about what should they look ahead to in 18 years - and for some reason stlgph seems to think that the current facilities are fine for now and for 18 years in the future. Sure, they are fine now. Just 2 years ago there were a couple times where 3 international arrivals were scheduled within a few minutes of each other. That was going to be a mess.

Like you said, it is cheaper to build now, than build later - I think not building a larger customs area (when the free space exists right next to it) was a bit short sighted. That taken into consideration - we aren't looking back, but looking forward - and looking forward says by 2040 that area is going to need to be larger, no matter what was thought about in 2005. It will be 2040, not 2005 or 2025. The space is there - the green space to the south or the first baggage claim (if using a moveable wall for the occasions when needed).

fedex1 wrote:

Question: Is there enough room for AA to add a lounge if they wanted, but DL wanted to keep their lounge? Room for 2??

I think so - so long as they get creative. I'm not there to wander around looking, but, for instance you extend the customs area there is place for a club room directly above it (adjacent to Delta's). You could also build something in the elbow on the southwest side of Concourse B. Right now there is some sort of loading dock/parking area there - something you could slap something on top of (if you really wanted to).

stlgph wrote:

But for whatever the reason you're entirely hung up on the size of a baggage claim area and apparently it's ruining *everything* about the entire airport, yesterday, today, and tomorrow. I dunno what to tell you man, must be a hit at parties....that's for sure.