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greenair727 wrote:No C-Band 5G buffer at CLE? Such buffers will be at CAK, DTW, PIT, IND, LGA, JFK, EWR, MDW, ORD and 41 other airports in the US.
https://simpleflying.com/faa-50-airports-5g/
MohawkWeekend wrote:I've posted numerous times regarding my daughters monthly trips to MCO on Spirit and F9 from CLE. Well she scored the winner for a mid-week 3 day trip to MCO in middle of February. $50 round trip on F9.
SMH
Citrus1492 wrote:greenair727 wrote:No C-Band 5G buffer at CLE? Such buffers will be at CAK, DTW, PIT, IND, LGA, JFK, EWR, MDW, ORD and 41 other airports in the US.
https://simpleflying.com/faa-50-airports-5g/
Curious if the phone companies or the FCC will be liable if a crash is caused by this radio altimeter interference.
Trk1 wrote:While it might be nice to have a $50 RT fare to Orlando--if we want an airport better than a greyhound station for the future it will not happen. A company can not make a profit at fares like this and will be unwilling to pay for airport improvements. I hope we can make a better choice but if not never complain about Hopkins
fun2fly wrote:FWIW, Mayor Bibb was just on WTAM 1100 and they specifically asked him about his plans for the airport. He said when he was young he flew Continental to London direct round trip and would like a similar service for CLE as he knows that flights like that make the region more attractive to businesses. At least it was the right response and good that he personally enjoyed the CO direct to LON flight.
They also asked him about the airport facility plan. He said, as an executive he's learned to talk to his customers and would start the process of improvement by talking to the frequent fliers first.
At least it wasn't "I'll get back to you on it." Much better answers than Frank J.
greenair727 wrote:No C-Band 5G buffer at CLE? Such buffers will be at CAK, DTW, PIT, IND, LGA, JFK, EWR, MDW, ORD and 41 other airports in the US.
https://simpleflying.com/faa-50-airports-5g/
izbtmnhd wrote:March NK:
MCO 3x daily
RSW 2x daily
FLL 2x daily
TPA daily
MIA daily
ATL daily
LAS daily
LAX 5x weekly
MSY 3x weekly
MYR 3x weekly
CUN Sat only
greenair727 wrote:izbtmnhd wrote:March NK:
MCO 3x daily
RSW 2x daily
FLL 2x daily
TPA daily
MIA daily
ATL daily
LAS daily
LAX 5x weekly
MSY 3x weekly
MYR 3x weekly
CUN Sat only
That's a lot of Florida! Is NK's March CLE schedule an increase or decrease from prior months?
highflier92660 wrote:This may be of some help: https://www.nperf.com/en/map/US/5150529 ... ss/signal/
As I understand it CLE was determined to be safely distant from 5G towers. As you can see from the 5G map, from the southwest there are no 5G towers proximate to either runway 6L or 6R final approach courses. From the northeast, the towers were determined to be safely distant from the instrument approach courses to runways 24L and 24R. If anyone can relay the information where these towers are located near CLE, please post their locations.
masseybrown wrote:A very sketchy report using data from the airport says CLE had 7.28 million passengers in 2021, up from 4.1 million in 2020, down from 10.04 million in 2019. 7.28 million is just slightly under 2014, the year UA shut its hub.
https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022 ... ounds.html
CLEguy wrote:Interesting quote: "While the pandemic continues to depress air travel, Cleveland Hopkins is recovering faster than the rest of the country, according to U.S. Department of Transportation figures.
At 7.28 million, Cleveland’s passenger count in 2021 is 72% of its pre-pandemic, 2019 level; nationwide, passenger numbers are at about 68% of what they were in 2019, a record year for air travel in the United States and across the globe."
CLEguy wrote:Here's a positive story about the snow removal at CLE during this week's snow storm. There is a report of an AA flight waiting for 3 hours for a gate. I did not hear about that. But I could imagine they couldn't clear snow away fast enough.
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/loc ... 1E5jv-OnOg
izbtmnhd wrote:I’m hearing rumors F9 may be back on CLE-SEA this summer.
CLEguy wrote:izbtmnhd wrote:I’m hearing rumors F9 may be back on CLE-SEA this summer.
Wonder if they want to compete with Alaska. I would much prefer reliable, daily service on AS.
avtcle wrote:Folks at Hopkins seem confident they can land us a flight to Europe this year, but will need financial help.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.clevel ... utType=amp
avtcle wrote:Folks at Hopkins seem confident they can land us a flight to Europe this year, but will need financial help.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.clevel ... utType=amp
greenair727 wrote:CLEguy wrote:izbtmnhd wrote:I’m hearing rumors F9 may be back on CLE-SEA this summer.
Wonder if they want to compete with Alaska. I would much prefer reliable, daily service on AS.
If F9 were smart, they fly CLE-PDX instead rather go head-to-head with AS, or maybe they think they can kick AS off the route. Would be better for all parties---CLE, PDX, SEA, AS, F9--if F9 did PDX instead. Or is really enough demand for two carriers on the route?
highflier92660 wrote:https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/01/cleveland-hopkins-officials-making-push-for-nonstop-flight-to-europe-but-route-will-need-financial-help.html
Here we go again. Most everybody with a rudimentary sense of economics knows that Cleveland has grown light years past that rust belt town where a late mayor set his hair ablaze with a blow torch. Local corporations and our world class health industry have ties to Europe. A branch of the Cleveland Clinic is on Grosvenor Place in London, a Callaway golf driver shot away from Buckingham Palace. Now all it takes is money.
avtcle wrote:That is how the route was originally operated in 2015/16/17 ^
Was CLE-SEA MON/WED/FRI/SAT and CLE-PDX on SUN/TUES/THURS. They shifted the PDX route to SFO in 2018.
luckyone wrote:highflier92660 wrote:https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/01/cleveland-hopkins-officials-making-push-for-nonstop-flight-to-europe-but-route-will-need-financial-help.html
Here we go again. Most everybody with a rudimentary sense of economics knows that Cleveland has grown light years past that rust belt town where a late mayor set his hair ablaze with a blow torch. Local corporations and our world class health industry have ties to Europe. A branch of the Cleveland Clinic is on Grosvenor Place in London, a Callaway golf driver shot away from Buckingham Palace. Now all it takes is money.
I’ve heard this on this board a few times now. The Cleveland Clinic will NOT be sending enough traffic between the two sites to factor as support of any kind on a route to London. Cleveland Clinic already has operations in other countries (Abu Dhabi) and other states, and based on historical trends, there will only be a handful of people doing such travel a month. That’s it. There will little medical tourism between the UK and US. UK medical tourism goes to Asia. I’m not saying a route to London won’t work. But the Clinic (nor UH or Metro) will not be playing any significance in it.
fun2fly wrote:luckyone wrote:highflier92660 wrote:https://www.cleveland.com/business/2022/01/cleveland-hopkins-officials-making-push-for-nonstop-flight-to-europe-but-route-will-need-financial-help.html
Here we go again. Most everybody with a rudimentary sense of economics knows that Cleveland has grown light years past that rust belt town where a late mayor set his hair ablaze with a blow torch. Local corporations and our world class health industry have ties to Europe. A branch of the Cleveland Clinic is on Grosvenor Place in London, a Callaway golf driver shot away from Buckingham Palace. Now all it takes is money.
I’ve heard this on this board a few times now. The Cleveland Clinic will NOT be sending enough traffic between the two sites to factor as support of any kind on a route to London. Cleveland Clinic already has operations in other countries (Abu Dhabi) and other states, and based on historical trends, there will only be a handful of people doing such travel a month. That’s it. There will little medical tourism between the UK and US. UK medical tourism goes to Asia. I’m not saying a route to London won’t work. But the Clinic (nor UH or Metro) will not be playing any significance in it.
There is a good amount of traffic to the ME and TATL from CCF. The question is would a 1 stop CLE>LHR>ME ?? be more beneficial to CCF than the current CLE>XXX>FRA>ME ?? Same for every other corporate customer going to a secondary (2 stop) destination vs. a 1 stop. You'll flip some one stoppers too from NYC or whatever gateway to LHR. No idea if AA/BA is up for this however, but with the slot requirements, maybe they are more interested. I doubt it works on anyone other than AA/BA. UA doesn't have the connections to support it, although they do have an appropriate sized 752.
In CLE, while AA has upped their game on flights, I'm not so sure how they've done on corporate contracts which is what is needed to support these type of flights. I know UA historically was the most entrenched when they had the hub, then DL made a large push after that. Anyone?
Bibb did specifically mention getting a flight to LHR in the interview I listened to.
luckyone wrote:I should clarify: CCF business travel. There are indeed quite a bit of passengers from the ME seeking care at the Cleveland Clinic.
greenair727 wrote:luckyone wrote:I should clarify: CCF business travel. There are indeed quite a bit of passengers from the ME seeking care at the Cleveland Clinic.
On the patient side, are there numbers anywhere of where in the ME specifically, by country or city? Or, if no hard numbers, an estimate of pax (patients + family) from KSA, UAE, Jordan, etc.
luckyone wrote:I’ve heard this on this board a few times now. The Cleveland Clinic will NOT be sending enough traffic between the two sites to factor as support of any kind on a route to London.