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San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:30 pm

Happy New Year 2022 to everyone!!

Here's to (hopefully) another great year of flying at America's Finest City airport...SO many things to be hopeful about!!

1) A new Terminal 1 is on the way!

2) British Airways is back, and Lufthansa will be back very soon, this time to MUC.

3) TIJ's new facilities are coming along nicely.

4) Traffic is slowly picking up again. I'll take slow and steady any day...

What's on everyone's wish list for 2022?
 
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Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:37 pm

Hi qf789! I think I beat you to this by just a few seconds...I saw the list being formed. Thank you to you and the moderators for keeping up with all this!
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:39 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:

What's on everyone's wish list for 2022?

1.Virgin Atlantic to announce SAN
2.Copa or Avianca to announce SAN
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jan 02, 2022 3:51 am

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
Happy New Year 2022 to everyone!!

Here's to (hopefully) another great year of flying at America's Finest City airport...SO many things to be hopeful about!!

1) A new Terminal 1 is on the way!

2) British Airways is back, and Lufthansa will be back very soon, this time to MUC.

3) TIJ's new facilities are coming along nicely.

4) Traffic is slowly picking up again. I'll take slow and steady any day...

What's on everyone's wish list for 2022?


According to a recent news report in Spanish, the international terminal at TIJ will be ready in May. It'll be interesting to see which airlines are lured there.
https://sintesistv.com.mx/ampliacion-de ... o-de-2022/
(The second floor of which appears to be the "in-transit" holding area meant for southern CA people.)

I was kinda wishing Air France would start flying to San Diego permanently. At least I saw their 777 a few months ago.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jan 02, 2022 3:58 am

vedatil4 wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
Happy New Year 2022 to everyone!!

Here's to (hopefully) another great year of flying at America's Finest City airport...SO many things to be hopeful about!!

1) A new Terminal 1 is on the way!

2) British Airways is back, and Lufthansa will be back very soon, this time to MUC.

3) TIJ's new facilities are coming along nicely.

4) Traffic is slowly picking up again. I'll take slow and steady any day...

What's on everyone's wish list for 2022?


According to a recent news report in Spanish, the international terminal at TIJ will be ready in May. It'll be interesting to see which airlines are lured there.
https://sintesistv.com.mx/ampliacion-de ... o-de-2022/
(The second floor of which appears to be the "in-transit" holding area meant for southern CA people.)

I was kinda wishing Air France would start flying to San Diego permanently. At least I saw their 777 a few months ago.


I think it's quite possible for AF to fly to SAN. If they do, I would guess they would use A350 aircraft.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:07 pm

I think it's quite possible for AF to fly to SAN. If they do, I would guess they would use A350 aircraft.[/quote]

I wonder if the international flights we get, or could receive, at SAN are partially or mostly generated by the cruise ship terminal down the street? Are there package deal people from the UK on the BA flights, for example?

It seemed like that the cruise industry was on the mend the last few months, then covid came roaring back. (grrr)
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:10 pm

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I think it's quite possible for AF to fly to SAN. If they do, I would guess they would use A350 aircraft.


I wonder if the international flights we get, or could receive, at SAN are partially or mostly generated by the cruise ship terminal down the street? Are there package deal people from the UK on the BA flights, for example?

It seemed like that the cruise industry was on the mend the last few months, then covid came roaring back. (grrr)


I don't think that's the main purpose. It's premium demand that drives new routes, especially given the proximity of LAX (not to mention the number of Los Angeles-based cruises).

Given that Lufthansa is returning in March - and has probably used up its subsidies granted to it by SAN - I don't think we will see AF or KLM fly into San Diego this year. However, it is entirely possible that late this year we will hear an announcement for CDG (787 or A350?) and/or AMS (787) to start in March of 2023. Crossing my fingers!!
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:16 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
vedatil4 wrote:
I think it's quite possible for AF to fly to SAN. If they do, I would guess they would use A350 aircraft.


I wonder if the international flights we get, or could receive, at SAN are partially or mostly generated by the cruise ship terminal down the street? Are there package deal people from the UK on the BA flights, for example?

It seemed like that the cruise industry was on the mend the last few months, then covid came roaring back. (grrr)


I don't think that's the main purpose. It's premium demand that drives new routes, especially given the proximity of LAX (not to mention the number of Los Angeles-based cruises).

Given that Lufthansa is returning in March - and has probably used up its subsidies granted to it by SAN - I don't think we will see AF or KLM fly into San Diego this year. However, it is entirely possible that late this year we will hear an announcement for CDG (787 or A350?) and/or AMS (787) to start in March of 2023. Crossing my fingers!!


What would be really cool would be for AF to use SAN as a stop-over between CDG and PPT two or three times a week.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:18 am

It appears that VS has chosen AUS as its new U.S. destination. Of course this isn’t an official announcement but this Twitter source is reliable: https://twitter.com/spd_travels/status/ ... 36361?s=21
 
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Fri Jan 07, 2022 1:16 am

LindyFlight wrote:
It appears that VS has chosen AUS as its new U.S. destination. Of course this isn’t an official announcement but this Twitter source is reliable: https://twitter.com/spd_travels/status/ ... 36361?s=21


Hopefully the formal announcement will come soon. It doesn't mean VS could announce SAN in the future.
 
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Fri Jan 07, 2022 5:04 pm

LindyFlight wrote:
It appears that VS has chosen AUS as its new U.S. destination. Of course this isn’t an official announcement but this Twitter source is reliable: https://twitter.com/spd_travels/status/ ... 36361?s=21


An interesting choice. Given that BA already flies this route, one has to wonder what this will do to yields on the LHR-AUS route. We've seen many bloodbaths occur on routes like this before...

In a sense, I'm kind of glad it wasn't SAN - terrible to say, but given our proximity to LAX, every new international route we acquire has to NOT steal passengers from other flights. British Airways and Lufthansa have both found an equilibrium (or nearly did, pre-quarantine). Had Virgin announced SAN, it might have oversaturated our market, leading to one or both airlines leaving.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:39 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
LindyFlight wrote:
It appears that VS has chosen AUS as its new U.S. destination. Of course this isn’t an official announcement but this Twitter source is reliable: https://twitter.com/spd_travels/status/ ... 36361?s=21


An interesting choice. Given that BA already flies this route, one has to wonder what this will do to yields on the LHR-AUS route. We've seen many bloodbaths occur on routes like this before...

In a sense, I'm kind of glad it wasn't SAN - terrible to say, but given our proximity to LAX, every new international route we acquire has to NOT steal passengers from other flights. British Airways and Lufthansa have both found an equilibrium (or nearly did, pre-quarantine). Had Virgin announced SAN, it might have oversaturated our market, leading to one or both airlines leaving.


I fully agree. As BA and LH are just getting starting again and BA reducing service to 5x weekly for the rest of the winter, more competition on the SAN-LHR route might not have been the healthiest for transatlantic traffic from SAN. I'd give BA and LH a couple years to mature their routes and hopefully at some point there can be a route to a new European airport with connecting opportunities as opposed to an addition of almost pure O&D traffic to an airport that is already served from SAN. I'd be much more excited about an additional nonstop flight to Asia than another European route at this point -- but especially with current entry restrictions, that might be a very long way off.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:40 pm

Here's an interesting possibility: an ultra low-cost carrier flying from the CBX all the way to Colombia.

There's an airline called Viva Air that's expanding very quickly out of Colombia. They mention their interest in coming to this region in the following article (in Spanish):
https://a21.com.mx/aerolineas/2021/12/2 ... a-y-mexico

Supposedly they're going to start flying from Colombia to Cabo in March based on a different article I found. But I couldn't confirm this on Viva's webpage.

They already operate daily flights to Miami. But that's a much shorter distance compared to the US west coast.

This is just food for thought for now. They may be headed our way.

Of course I'd prefer Copa to show up in San Diego. That's been mentioned in this forum in the past.

Could any of Viva's aircraft go non-stop over that far a distance? Their main hub is Medellin located at a high altitude.

Here's an article about Viva in English: https://www.google.com/amp/s/simpleflyi ... a-air/amp/
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:14 pm

Probably not the news you were looking for but SAN and MCO will be suspended for the time being for Edelweiss. All other US destinations will resume along with Caribbean.

Originally posted by alphairspace



https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/12/ed ... mmer-2022/
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:15 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
Probably not the news you were looking for but SAN and MCO will be suspended for the time being for Edelweiss. All other US destinations will resume along with Caribbean.

Originally posted by alphairspace



https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/12/ed ... mmer-2022/


I heard it’s due to aircraft shortage. They only have 4x A343s atm and they retired their 2x A333s just last year. Here’s hoping they return in 2023.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:15 pm

Could SAN get a proper light rail connection? Looks like the elevated people mover option might get ditched.

https://www.railwaygazette.com/projects-and-planning/underground-light-link-proposed-for-san-diego-airport/60639.article

The right decision IMO. The people mover would rapidly get capacity constrained, and the route they picked wasn't exactly the most direct to get to the city center.
 
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Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:19 am

BangersAndMash wrote:
Could SAN get a proper light rail connection? Looks like the elevated people mover option might get ditched.

https://www.railwaygazette.com/projects-and-planning/underground-light-link-proposed-for-san-diego-airport/60639.article

The right decision IMO. The people mover would rapidly get capacity constrained, and the route they picked wasn't exactly the most direct to get to the city center.


Can't view the page, behind a paywall.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:45 am

WN732 wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
Could SAN get a proper light rail connection? Looks like the elevated people mover option might get ditched.

https://www.railwaygazette.com/projects-and-planning/underground-light-link-proposed-for-san-diego-airport/60639.article

The right decision IMO. The people mover would rapidly get capacity constrained, and the route they picked wasn't exactly the most direct to get to the city center.


Can't view the page, behind a paywall.


It doesn’t actually say anything new. It repeats what was reported last month, that the city has determined a trolley to the airport is feasible, with a preference towards underground options. This article says a lot more: https://clairemonttimes.com/mts-unveile ... ity-study/
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:34 pm

hawaiian717 wrote:
WN732 wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
Could SAN get a proper light rail connection? Looks like the elevated people mover option might get ditched.

https://www.railwaygazette.com/projects-and-planning/underground-light-link-proposed-for-san-diego-airport/60639.article

The right decision IMO. The people mover would rapidly get capacity constrained, and the route they picked wasn't exactly the most direct to get to the city center.


Can't view the page, behind a paywall.


It doesn’t actually say anything new. It repeats what was reported last month, that the city has determined a trolley to the airport is feasible, with a preference towards underground options. This article says a lot more: https://clairemonttimes.com/mts-unveile ... ity-study/


I'd say the trolley has a good shot at this. They just finished the new La Jolla project, and it is great. I think this is very feasible and worthwhile. I would love to park my car at Oceanside, ride the Coaster and take the trolley to the airport than deal with the 5.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:55 pm

They need to pay the upfront costs to build underground as the growth of the airport, DT/Little Italy, Middletown and projected growth for Midway area, or it will be a traffice nightmare, as it is downtown sometimes while waiting for trolley/trains to pass.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:21 pm

WN732 wrote:
I'd say the trolley has a good shot at this. They just finished the new La Jolla project, and it is great. I think this is very feasible and worthwhile. I would love to park my car at Oceanside, ride the Coaster and take the trolley to the airport than deal with the 5.


You can pretty much do this now, but instead of taking the trolley, you can take the airport-operated free “Flyer” bus from the Old Town station to the terminals. You could also take the train all the way to Santa Fe Depot and transfer to the MTS 992 bus to the airport.
 
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Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:49 pm

hawaiian717 wrote:
WN732 wrote:
I'd say the trolley has a good shot at this. They just finished the new La Jolla project, and it is great. I think this is very feasible and worthwhile. I would love to park my car at Oceanside, ride the Coaster and take the trolley to the airport than deal with the 5.


You can pretty much do this now, but instead of taking the trolley, you can take the airport-operated free “Flyer” bus from the Old Town station to the terminals. You could also take the train all the way to Santa Fe Depot and transfer to the MTS 992 bus to the airport.


I feel like the bus just adds a level of inconvenience. It is such a first-world problem, but having a rail link instead of a bus just sounds so much better.
 
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Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:00 pm

WN732 wrote:
hawaiian717 wrote:
WN732 wrote:
I'd say the trolley has a good shot at this. They just finished the new La Jolla project, and it is great. I think this is very feasible and worthwhile. I would love to park my car at Oceanside, ride the Coaster and take the trolley to the airport than deal with the 5.


You can pretty much do this now, but instead of taking the trolley, you can take the airport-operated free “Flyer” bus from the Old Town station to the terminals. You could also take the train all the way to Santa Fe Depot and transfer to the MTS 992 bus to the airport.


I feel like the bus just adds a level of inconvenience. It is such a first-world problem, but having a rail link instead of a bus just sounds so much better.


And the bus is not scalable the way light rail is. The people mover wasn't scalable either. Better solution all round.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:14 pm

BangersAndMash wrote:
Could SAN get a proper light rail connection? Looks like the elevated people mover option might get ditched.

https://www.railwaygazette.com/projects-and-planning/underground-light-link-proposed-for-san-diego-airport/60639.article

The right decision IMO. The people mover would rapidly get capacity constrained, and the route they picked wasn't exactly the most direct to get to the city center.


If San Diego has proven anything over the years is that any plan to improve something will be met with resistance, endless debate, failed votes and further inaction. I wouldn’t hold my breath on this anymore than moving the airport.
 
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Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:06 pm

DL717 wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
Could SAN get a proper light rail connection? Looks like the elevated people mover option might get ditched.

https://www.railwaygazette.com/projects-and-planning/underground-light-link-proposed-for-san-diego-airport/60639.article

The right decision IMO. The people mover would rapidly get capacity constrained, and the route they picked wasn't exactly the most direct to get to the city center.


If San Diego has proven anything over the years is that any plan to improve something will be met with resistance, endless debate, failed votes and further inaction. I wouldn’t hold my breath on this anymore than moving the airport.


I feel exactly the same way. You beat me to the comment.

The concept of trolley to the airport has been around for decades. I always thought of it as political third rail with all the money taxis, rideshares, and car rental companies make keeping it out of reach.

I'll believe the trolley idea to the airport on the day I'm riding it. I'm sure opposing interests will challenge it every step of the way.

I can rattle off many "San Diego Specials", to quote our mayor. This is one of them. But the ultimate is relocating the airport entirely.

I'm not saying it's impossible though. I felt the same about the trolley to UCSD 30 years ago and now it's built. I'll probably wait decades again.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:14 pm

MTS has a BRT Route 215 that terminates at Santa Fe. If extended to the terminal the 215 would require only one additional bus (14 buses during peak hours instead of 13) to extend it every 12 minutes to the airport. The BRT 215 serves Downtown, Balboa Park/Zoo, Hillcrest/Park Ave., El Cajon Blvd and the SDSU Trolley Station. It would save 4 busses off the 992 "Flyer" and provide direct frequent service to Balboa Park for any day-trippers flying in from around the state.

Currently the set up is for the 992 to make a loop around the terminal without actually having a terminus there of it's own. The 992 is short enough that it makes it's terminus at the end of the line in Downtown. If the Route 215 were to be extended to the airport, a terminus would have to be created for a recovery time. But other than that, this would be the way to go until the trolley is extended. Just my 2 cents.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:01 pm

Just booked a flight from BOS to SAN in February and was very excited to see a wealth of widebody flights to SAN on DL with connections in JFK and ATL.

I believe the JFK-SAN flights will be on a332s and ATL-SAN is a mix of 763/764/a333. What’s with all the capacity?
 
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Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:14 pm

Kno wrote:
Just booked a flight from BOS to SAN in February and was very excited to see a wealth of widebody flights to SAN on DL with connections in JFK and ATL.

I believe the JFK-SAN flights will be on a332s and ATL-SAN is a mix of 763/764/a333. What’s with all the capacity?


I enjoyed the 764 on my flight to ATL and I hope it continues. I'm thinking the Delta One seats bring great yield.
 
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Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:55 pm

hawaiian717 wrote:
WN732 wrote:
I'd say the trolley has a good shot at this. They just finished the new La Jolla project, and it is great. I think this is very feasible and worthwhile. I would love to park my car at Oceanside, ride the Coaster and take the trolley to the airport than deal with the 5.


You can pretty much do this now, but instead of taking the trolley, you can take the airport-operated free “Flyer” bus from the Old Town station to the terminals. You could also take the train all the way to Santa Fe Depot and transfer to the MTS 992 bus to the airport.

Exactly. Who needs an underground trolley when you can take the 992 bus from the depot to Terminal 1 in five minutes? An underground trolley would probably take longer so people would just continue taking the 992 bus anyway.
 
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Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:04 am

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Exactly. Who needs an underground trolley when you can take the 992 bus from the depot to Terminal 1 in five minutes? An underground trolley would probably take longer so people would just continue taking the 992 bus anyway.


More like 9-12 minutes from America Plaza to terminal 1 according to MTS’ schedule: https://www.sdmts.com/sites/default/fil ... es_992.pdf

For good or bad, I think buses have more negative connotations than trains. Buses get stuck in the same traffic jams cars cars, while trains can speed right past them, especially when they have their own right of way as most of the MTS trolley system does. Also, a train can hold more passengers than a bus.

But it’s not about just getting from downtown to the airport. 992 just does that so if you’re going anywhere else, you first have to get to downtown (or now Old Town) and then transfer to another bus or trolley. Suppose, however, that the airport trolley extension gets implemented as an extension of the orange line, like how the mid-coast extension to UTC/UCSD is an extension of the blue line. That means everyone along the orange line from El Cajon and La Mesa in to San Diego would have a single-seat ride to the airport. Ideally, the airport should be its own transit hub (like how Amsterdam Schiphol is a major train station it’s own right) to facilitate travel to many locations, but the terminal’s location between the runway and the bay makes it awkward for most transit passengers who aren’t going to or from the airport itself since it would be a notable detour from the I-5 corridor.
 
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Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:20 am

Could they do a BRT for the 992

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Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:38 am

hawaiian717 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Exactly. Who needs an underground trolley when you can take the 992 bus from the depot to Terminal 1 in five minutes? An underground trolley would probably take longer so people would just continue taking the 992 bus anyway.


More like 9-12 minutes from America Plaza to terminal 1 according to MTS’ schedule: https://www.sdmts.com/sites/default/fil ... es_992.pdf

For good or bad, I think buses have more negative connotations than trains. Buses get stuck in the same traffic jams cars cars, while trains can speed right past them, especially when they have their own right of way as most of the MTS trolley system does. Also, a train can hold more passengers than a bus.

But it’s not about just getting from downtown to the airport. 992 just does that so if you’re going anywhere else, you first have to get to downtown (or now Old Town) and then transfer to another bus or trolley. Suppose, however, that the airport trolley extension gets implemented as an extension of the orange line, like how the mid-coast extension to UTC/UCSD is an extension of the blue line. That means everyone along the orange line from El Cajon and La Mesa in to San Diego would have a single-seat ride to the airport. Ideally, the airport should be its own transit hub (like how Amsterdam Schiphol is a major train station it’s own right) to facilitate travel to many locations, but the terminal’s location between the runway and the bay makes it awkward for most transit passengers who aren’t going to or from the airport itself since it would be a notable detour from the I-5 corridor.


Wouldn’t it be easier to build a tunnel from the Washington St. Blue Line Station to Terminal 2 East? That way they can run a shuttle trolley between Washington St. and the terminal.
 
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Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:58 am

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Wouldn’t it be easier to build a tunnel from the Washington St. Blue Line Station to Terminal 2 East? That way they can run a shuttle trolley between Washington St. and the terminal.


One part of the proposal for the Grand Central station at the NAVWAR site adjacent to Old Town was a tunnel with a people mover from there to the airport terminal. I think this would be preferable to doing the same from Washington Street, since Old Town (both today and in a future Grand Central station) is a major transit hub with bus, trolley, Coaster, and Amtrak service, whereas Washington Street is just a trolley station.
 
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Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:45 am

hawaiian717 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Wouldn’t it be easier to build a tunnel from the Washington St. Blue Line Station to Terminal 2 East? That way they can run a shuttle trolley between Washington St. and the terminal.


One part of the proposal for the Grand Central station at the NAVWAR site adjacent to Old Town was a tunnel with a people mover from there to the airport terminal. I think this would be preferable to doing the same from Washington Street, since Old Town (both today and in a future Grand Central station) is a major transit hub with bus, trolley, Coaster, and Amtrak service, whereas Washington Street is just a trolley station.

Can the Airport Authority afford to buy the NAVWAR building from the Navy?
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:13 am

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Can the Airport Authority afford to buy the NAVWAR building from the Navy?


That’s not what is happening. The Navy isn’t selling the land. And the building themselves need to come down; they’re old, outdated, and not fit for purpose.

Instead, they want a developer to build them a new facility on the site. But it doesn’t need to be spread out in a series of building constructed inside aircraft assembly hangars. NAVWAR can relocate into a taller building with a smaller footprint on the site, and in return the developer can build something else on the rest of the site. The Navy’s current preferred option is a high density mixed use development with 2 million square feet of commercial space, 10,000 residential units, 2 hotels offering a combined 450 rooms, 433,000 square feet of retail space, and a transit center, plus 1.7 million square feet of space for NAVWAR itself.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:22 am

SAN did not make the list of reduced power on 5G ATT/Verizon transmitters near the airport. JAL has indicated that it will reduce service to the US because of 5G interference with radio altimeters on aircraft. So the question is will JAL reduce or eliminate service to SAN? JAL 66 for Wednesday had already been not scheduled, I believe, but what about future service? I could see this being a real issue with reduced visibility ILS runway 9 ops. With such a long flight, seems like a hard decision with weather, diversion to LAX?
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:35 pm

I don't see this bit of news posted on this thread yet.

Next month, 2 carriers will be relocating from T1W to T2: on Feb 18, Allegiant will move to T2E, west of the AA counters. (IIRC, that's where they were before being sent to Hell (a.k.a T1W.) On Feb 24, JetBlue will move to T2W, where they used to live, east of the DL counters and pretty much in the center of the T2W East ticketing lobby counters.

I've heard rumors for a while that B6 was going "home" to T2W and I'm not sure if they just wanted out of T1W or that SAN wanted to open up more space in T1W for WN. Now with G4 also being sent packing. it seems to me that the need for gate space for WN in T1 is perhaps the major reason for these moves.

This relocation project will leave T1W with only NK, SY & F9, plus more and more WN flights as they (hopefully) ramp up their schedule at SAN heading toward this summer. And with only a handful of flights from their 3 neighbors in the west rotunda, WN will indeed have lots more gate space! (WN has already permanently lost 3 gates in T1E -- 1,1A & 2 -- and I believe 3 is gone, and I think they are to lose at least 1 more of the east-side gates when the development of the T1 replacement ramps up.

And, AFAIK, there has been no sterile link (beyond security) established between the gates of T1E and T1W, thus requiring any connecting WN pax arriving at one rotunda and departing from the other to re-clear TSA... If I were a travel agent anywhere in the world (or a WN agent) looking at sending passengers thru SAN for a connection on WN, I wouldn't. Period. (It's gonna be a long few years for WN until Phase I of the T1 rebuild is finished...)

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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:20 am

Terminal 2 West is going to be full with JetBlue taking over two gates.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:59 pm

Any SAN spotters who want to scramble to the airport, there's a special visitor nearly 30 minutes away, NATO Airbus A332.

https://fr24.com/MMF57/2a979a35
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:27 pm

Here's a CNN article that mentions going through the CBX to get to Tulum during the pandemic: https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/mexi ... index.html

I flew to La Paz over the MLK weekend. Before they made you stop and fill out a health questionnaire online. Now they have someone with a thermal camera checking people in the bridge before they get to Mexico immigration. The same on the way back in La Paz. I'm not sure what happens if you have a fever and cough.

I did see three people challenge the mask mandate at the security lines in a confined space. Staff was quick to respond. It's not a free-for-all like cnn seems to suggest but a different approach (or approaches).

Are thermal cameras scanning crowds at some US airports? The tightest anti-covid measures I've seen were in Hawaii back in November. But I don't remember cameras.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:02 pm

WanderingAVGeek wrote:
Any SAN spotters who want to scramble to the airport, there's a special visitor nearly 30 minutes away, NATO Airbus A332.

https://fr24.com/MMF57/2a979a35


I wonder why it's here?
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:28 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Terminal 2 West is going to be full with JetBlue taking over two gates.


While I agree the seemingly never-ending game of "Musical Terminals" constantly keeps us guessing who is located where, I'm guessing that JetBlue's operations will be common-use gates to be shared with other airlines, and probably won't interfere with other operations.

What did B6 have at its peak at SAN? Seven daily flights? BOS, JFK, and FLL, and at least three of those are always going to be red-eyes, departing between 9 and 11 PM, not exactly peak hours at SAN...The other four would be spread out through-out the day, and none of them leaving at "oh-dark-thirty", that time of the morning when the airport opens and the mad rush for the earliest flights begin.

It would ironic, at least to me, if Southwest ended up being the ONLY tenant in Terminal 1 before its replacement. Doubtful, but possible.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:01 pm

Kno wrote:
Just booked a flight from BOS to SAN in February and was very excited to see a wealth of widebody flights to SAN on DL with connections in JFK and ATL.

I believe the JFK-SAN flights will be on a332s and ATL-SAN is a mix of 763/764/a333. What’s with all the capacity?


Making use of existing international aircraft while waiting for 321 deliveries. It's not a long term solution for DL. Regarding ATL, 5x 321s have more capacity than 4x -300ERs with more frequency, and a lower cost. Although it may make sense to keep one timed for the international departure bank. For a while, LAS was getting 7 wide bodies a day to ATL.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:19 pm

SANMAN66 wrote:
I wonder why it's here?


No idea, there was also a Canadian Royal Air Force A310? here that left early this morning. The arrival of that aircraft coincided with the A332 from Nato. Maybe a conference regarding the ukraine situation with Navy? just a guess.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:27 pm

WanderingAVGeek wrote:
SANMAN66 wrote:
I wonder why it's here?


No idea, there was also a Canadian Royal Air Force A310? here that left early this morning. The arrival of that aircraft coincided with the A332 from Nato. Maybe a conference regarding the ukraine situation with Navy? just a guess.

Might have something to do with Red Flag going on in Vegas.

https://www.nellis.af.mil/News/Article- ... 3%2C000,11.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:37 pm

Are they going to leave the Commuter Terminal standing until after the first part of Terminal 1 is built? Where will the Airport Authority move to after it is demolished?
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:57 am

LAOCA wrote:
Kno wrote:
Just booked a flight from BOS to SAN in February and was very excited to see a wealth of widebody flights to SAN on DL with connections in JFK and ATL.

I believe the JFK-SAN flights will be on a332s and ATL-SAN is a mix of 763/764/a333. What’s with all the capacity?


Making use of existing international aircraft while waiting for 321 deliveries. It's not a long term solution for DL. Regarding ATL, 5x 321s have more capacity than 4x -300ERs with more frequency, and a lower cost. Although it may make sense to keep one timed for the international departure bank. For a while, LAS was getting 7 wide bodies a day to ATL.

International flying is still in the tank for the most part thanks to COVID. Delta is flying their wide bodies domestically until they are needed internationally.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:02 am

blacksoviet wrote:
Are they going to leave the Commuter Terminal standing until after the first part of Terminal 1 is built? Where will the Airport Authority move to after it is demolished?


Commuter Terminal will be history and leveled. The Airport Authority bureaucracy is dispersing to all available airport space. The old international arrivals area in Terminal 2 East, the third floor of Terminal 2 West, available below the wing space. They've built some new buildings on the north side for facility maintenance folks. Bureaucracies take care of themselves first.
 
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Re: San Diego Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:07 am

IFlyOff wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Are they going to leave the Commuter Terminal standing until after the first part of Terminal 1 is built? Where will the Airport Authority move to after it is demolished?


Commuter Terminal will be history and leveled. The Airport Authority bureaucracy is dispersing to all available airport space. The old international arrivals area in Terminal 2 East, the third floor of Terminal 2 West, available below the wing space. They've built some new buildings on the north side for facility maintenance folks. Bureaucracies take care of themselves first.

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