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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:14 pm

Flew JetBlue for the first time since I moved to Jersey a couple of years ago. Surprisingly, the flight was ahead of time into ewr. Was finally able to test out the 32m. Thought ife was pretty good. Really appreciated that I had wifi the whole flight. A big boost to have wifi over the ocean. The seat was a little thin. Aisle seemed kind of tight in order to squeeze out additional seat width. Overall, better flight experience in y than the typical ua flights.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:41 pm

FAA granting JetBlue temporary waivers on minimum slot use requirements at EWR and JFK. B6 however sought waivers for entire winter schedule season, but FAA declined.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 022-11-04/
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:09 pm

I noticed a scheduled cancellation for MCI-JFK on Christmas Eve. MKE-JFK is operating. Performance or aircraft availability?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:35 pm

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I noticed a scheduled cancellation for MCI-JFK on Christmas Eve. MKE-JFK is operating. Performance or aircraft availability?


Both…. Loads aren’t looking great…. Plus delays in 220 deliveries…. Usually a 220 flies this route but now they’ve been putting an E190 on it. However, the E190 might be the right sized AC. Can’t speak to the E190s economics on a route like this (or in general)…
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:55 pm

18C36C wrote:
evank516 wrote:
I noticed a scheduled cancellation for MCI-JFK on Christmas Eve. MKE-JFK is operating. Performance or aircraft availability?


Both…. Loads aren’t looking great…. Plus delays in 220 deliveries…. Usually a 220 flies this route but now they’ve been putting an E190 on it. However, the E190 might be the right sized AC. Can’t speak to the E190s economics on a route like this (or in general)…


MCI-BOS is operating though and BOS wasn’t performing well at all last I checked.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:37 am

I think the two biggest mistakes that B6 made in attempt to establish a strong western network between 2005-2015 was not going after F9 and gaining a large hub in DEN. Imagine if it was B6 that had the current operation in DEN that WN now has. The second being not growing SLC past the almost focus city they had there. At one point they flew SLC-LGB/BUR/SAN/LAS/SFO/BOS/JFK. There was talk and rumors back then that they were also looking to add routes from SLC to places in Montana, SEA, PHX, Florida (they currently fly to MCO and FLL), AUS, and more California cities. They did not market well in the Salt Lake metro area and the timing of the flights were never great for local flyers.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:50 am

mesasurf wrote:
I think the two biggest mistakes that B6 made in attempt to establish a strong western network between 2005-2015 was not going after F9 and gaining a large hub in DEN. Imagine if it was B6 that had the current operation in DEN that WN now has. The second being not growing SLC past the almost focus city they had there. At one point they flew SLC-LGB/BUR/SAN/LAS/SFO/BOS/JFK. There was talk and rumors back then that they were also looking to add routes from SLC to places in Montana, SEA, PHX, Florida (they currently fly to MCO and FLL), AUS, and more California cities. They did not market well in the Salt Lake metro area and the timing of the flights were never great for local flyers.


It wouldn't have made any difference. It would have just been B6 pushed out by WN instead of F9. B6 does not do well in markets where they actually have capable competition hence their struggles at MCO and FLL for example.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:12 am

usflyer msp wrote:
mesasurf wrote:
I think the two biggest mistakes that B6 made in attempt to establish a strong western network between 2005-2015 was not going after F9 and gaining a large hub in DEN. Imagine if it was B6 that had the current operation in DEN that WN now has. The second being not growing SLC past the almost focus city they had there. At one point they flew SLC-LGB/BUR/SAN/LAS/SFO/BOS/JFK. There was talk and rumors back then that they were also looking to add routes from SLC to places in Montana, SEA, PHX, Florida (they currently fly to MCO and FLL), AUS, and more California cities. They did not market well in the Salt Lake metro area and the timing of the flights were never great for local flyers.


It wouldn't have made any difference. It would have just been B6 pushed out by WN instead of F9. B6 does not do well in markets where they actually have capable competition hence their struggles at MCO and FLL for example.


While I agree with you on the DEN example, B6 is quite competitive in FLL and MCO. JetBlue doesn’t have a fleet of 700+ aircraft like the legacies and WN, they just can’t be everything for everyone. They’ve held their own for years battling one the most profitable airline’s in the world (DL) in two of their major bases of operation (BOS/JFK). Btw, I believe UA would be the bigger detriment to a profitable operation in DEN, WN and B6 have much less overlap. Sure the ULCC’s have made it tough in many Florida cities, but I’m not sure I would characterize B6 as struggling.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:36 am

The other night I flew on N2027J, an A321neo with the same shelf bins as on the A321neo fleet. How many neos were delivered with the shelf bins?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:41 am

SXDFC wrote:
The other night I flew on N2027J, an A321neo with the same shelf bins as on the A321neo fleet. How many neos were delivered with the shelf bins?


Err, I think you have a typo. Are you wanting to say "...an A321neo with the same shelf bins as on the A321 fleet"?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:57 am

USAirKid wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
The other night I flew on N2027J, an A321neo with the same shelf bins as on the A321neo fleet. How many neos were delivered with the shelf bins?


Err, I think you have a typo. Are you wanting to say "...an A321neo with the same shelf bins as on the A321 fleet"?


Yes! Of course now it’s too late to fix it.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:12 pm

N775JB has a new veterans paint job

https://m.facebook.com/JetBlue

https://imgur.io/a/JlpbB3Y

Photos are from JetBlue’s Facebook page.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Fri Nov 11, 2022 7:38 pm

Looks like JetBlue now has a 2nd permanent LHR slot pair of its own.

https://paxex.aero/jetblue-heathrow-slots-2023/

I think this could mean B6 will be able to use the leased slot pair from QR to continue BOS-LHR and add another daily JFK-LHR flight.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Fri Nov 11, 2022 10:02 pm

FARmd90 wrote:

N775JB has a new veterans paint job

https://m.facebook.com/JetBlue

https://imgur.io/a/JlpbB3Y

Photos are from JetBlue’s Facebook page.


I will admit that is sharp.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Fri Nov 11, 2022 10:05 pm

hbernal1 wrote:
Looks like JetBlue now has a 2nd permanent LHR slot pair of its own.

https://paxex.aero/jetblue-heathrow-slots-2023/

I think this could mean B6 will be able to use the leased slot pair from QR to continue BOS-LHR and add another daily JFK-LHR flight.


Well that’s exactly what the article says, so you’re not the only one who thinks that way. It would make sense to downgrade JFK-LGW to 1x and continue with the double BOS-LON through both airports. It’s good news and should compound the buzz surrounding the imminent announcement of the next EU destination breaking any day now.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Fri Nov 11, 2022 10:08 pm

hbernal1 wrote:
Looks like JetBlue now has a 2nd permanent LHR slot pair of its own.

https://paxex.aero/jetblue-heathrow-slots-2023/

I think this could mean B6 will be able to use the leased slot pair from QR to continue BOS-LHR and add another daily JFK-LHR flight.


This is good, we are likely to see 4x jfk to London and 2x bos to London next summer, with half of those flights to Heathrow. It's quite interesting to see how JetBlue has been able to slowly accumulate more slots. If it wasn't for the slow a321lr deliveries, they might have been able to operate more flights to London by then.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Fri Nov 11, 2022 10:41 pm

tphuang wrote:
hbernal1 wrote:
Looks like JetBlue now has a 2nd permanent LHR slot pair of its own.

https://paxex.aero/jetblue-heathrow-slots-2023/

I think this could mean B6 will be able to use the leased slot pair from QR to continue BOS-LHR and add another daily JFK-LHR flight.


This is good, we are likely to see 4x jfk to London and 2x bos to London next summer, with half of those flights to Heathrow. It's quite interesting to see how JetBlue has been able to slowly accumulate more slots. If it wasn't for the slow a321lr deliveries, they might have been able to operate more flights to London by then.


Based on aircraft deliveries and availability, I believe JetBlue would do better adding a new overseas BlueCity rather than saturating London. Both of yesterday’s JFK-LGWs went out with an average of 70%. Yesterdays BOS-LGW/LHR averaged 50%. Only JFK-LHR looked good at 85%. Granted it’s a quieter time in the year, but it did begin a 3-day weekend. There was some weather impacting the operation yesterday, but the London loads have been far from capacity over the course of the last few months.

They will probably just end up going 6x London because the slots are already there and opening a new station costs a small fortune, but the whole point of the (X)LR experiment was to spread throughout the EU. A DUB and/or PAR flight would be a lot more assertive in that approach rather than conservatively sprinkling in more London.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:06 am

BlueBaller wrote:
tphuang wrote:
hbernal1 wrote:
Looks like JetBlue now has a 2nd permanent LHR slot pair of its own.

https://paxex.aero/jetblue-heathrow-slots-2023/

I think this could mean B6 will be able to use the leased slot pair from QR to continue BOS-LHR and add another daily JFK-LHR flight.


This is good, we are likely to see 4x jfk to London and 2x bos to London next summer, with half of those flights to Heathrow. It's quite interesting to see how JetBlue has been able to slowly accumulate more slots. If it wasn't for the slow a321lr deliveries, they might have been able to operate more flights to London by then.


Based on aircraft deliveries and availability, I believe JetBlue would do better adding a new overseas BlueCity rather than saturating London. Both of yesterday’s JFK-LGWs went out with an average of 70%. Yesterdays BOS-LGW/LHR averaged 50%. Only JFK-LHR looked good at 85%. Granted it’s a quieter time in the year, but it did begin a 3-day weekend. There was some weather impacting the operation yesterday, but the London loads have been far from capacity over the course of the last few months.

They will probably just end up going 6x London because the slots are already there and opening a new station costs a small fortune, but the whole point of the (X)LR experiment was to spread throughout the EU. A DUB and/or PAR flight would be a lot more assertive in that approach rather than conservatively sprinkling in more London.


I think they are expecting to do better as they build a more solid schedule over time. At the same time, Boston to londong just started, so it will take some time for load to come up. My guess is that they also add another destination next summer. They should be taking more than 1 aircraft before summer season.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:50 am

FARmd90 wrote:
N775JB has a new veterans paint job

https://m.facebook.com/JetBlue

https://imgur.io/a/JlpbB3Y

Photos are from JetBlue’s Facebook page.


I’d be totally ok with jetBlue opting for a “NK style” livery with that light shade of blue, and a tad bigger titles.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:55 am

I took my first B6 flights since 2018 on Thursday, MSP-JFK-BUF. The MSP-JFK A320 was not refurbished and both flights were late without any explanation (30 minutes and 75 minutes respectively). That said, the flight was very cheap and they recognized my AA status so I'm not going to complain.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sat Nov 12, 2022 12:13 pm

i didn't realize there was still non refurbished A320s around. Does anyone know what's going on with that?
 
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Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:17 pm

tphuang wrote:
i didn't realize there was still non refurbished A320s around. Does anyone know what's going on with that?


I believe there are 11 no mods flying around. These aircraft are to be retired in the next 3 years and it was deemed they are no economically viable to mod. They generally do shorter flights out of NY and BOS.

I don’t have the tail numbers, but I know 503 504 and 505 are in this group. Some of them are the aircraft that went to russia and came back. They have been a bit troublesome since they returned in 2010.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:49 pm

Whatever happened to the Thomas Cook 321s? I don’t believe they ever entered service. Did JB end up passing on them? With staffing constraints, doubling down on 321s over 320 long term makes sense.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:26 pm

tphuang wrote:
BlueBaller wrote:
tphuang wrote:

This is good, we are likely to see 4x jfk to London and 2x bos to London next summer, with half of those flights to Heathrow. It's quite interesting to see how JetBlue has been able to slowly accumulate more slots. If it wasn't for the slow a321lr deliveries, they might have been able to operate more flights to London by then.


Based on aircraft deliveries and availability, I believe JetBlue would do better adding a new overseas BlueCity rather than saturating London. Both of yesterday’s JFK-LGWs went out with an average of 70%. Yesterdays BOS-LGW/LHR averaged 50%. Only JFK-LHR looked good at 85%. Granted it’s a quieter time in the year, but it did begin a 3-day weekend. There was some weather impacting the operation yesterday, but the London loads have been far from capacity over the course of the last few months.

They will probably just end up going 6x London because the slots are already there and opening a new station costs a small fortune, but the whole point of the (X)LR experiment was to spread throughout the EU. A DUB and/or PAR flight would be a lot more assertive in that approach rather than conservatively sprinkling in more London.


I think they are expecting to do better as they build a more solid schedule over time. At the same time, Boston to londong just started, so it will take some time for load to come up. My guess is that they also add another destination next summer. They should be taking more than 1 aircraft before summer season.


The forecast staffing bid from this past August suggests another EU destination by late Spring.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:37 pm

N757ST wrote:
tphuang wrote:
i didn't realize there was still non refurbished A320s around. Does anyone know what's going on with that?


I believe there are 11 no mods flying around. These aircraft are to be retired in the next 3 years and it was deemed they are no economically viable to mod. They generally do shorter flights out of NY and BOS.

I don’t have the tail numbers, but I know 503 504 and 505 are in this group. Some of them are the aircraft that went to russia and came back. They have been a bit troublesome since they returned in 2010.


From the fleet thread courtesy of JFKhangar81:

11 will not be modified:
N503JB
N504JB
N505JB
N506JB
N516JB
N517JB
N519JB
N520JB
N521JB
N523JB
N524JB

I don’t think any of these went to Russia, but please correct me if I’m wrong. I think all of those came back with a “JT” or “JL” in the tail number.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:51 pm

BlueBaller wrote:
tphuang wrote:
BlueBaller wrote:

Based on aircraft deliveries and availability, I believe JetBlue would do better adding a new overseas BlueCity rather than saturating London. Both of yesterday’s JFK-LGWs went out with an average of 70%. Yesterdays BOS-LGW/LHR averaged 50%. Only JFK-LHR looked good at 85%. Granted it’s a quieter time in the year, but it did begin a 3-day weekend. There was some weather impacting the operation yesterday, but the London loads have been far from capacity over the course of the last few months.

They will probably just end up going 6x London because the slots are already there and opening a new station costs a small fortune, but the whole point of the (X)LR experiment was to spread throughout the EU. A DUB and/or PAR flight would be a lot more assertive in that approach rather than conservatively sprinkling in more London.


I think they are expecting to do better as they build a more solid schedule over time. At the same time, Boston to londong just started, so it will take some time for load to come up. My guess is that they also add another destination next summer. They should be taking more than 1 aircraft before summer season.


The forecast staffing bid from this past August suggests another EU destination by late Spring.


Technically, JB doesn’t have any EU destinations at the moment.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:23 pm

N757ST wrote:
tphuang wrote:
i didn't realize there was still non refurbished A320s around. Does anyone know what's going on with that?


I believe there are 11 no mods flying around. These aircraft are to be retired in the next 3 years and it was deemed they are no economically viable to mod. They generally do shorter flights out of NY and BOS.

I don’t have the tail numbers, but I know 503 504 and 505 are in this group. Some of them are the aircraft that went to russia and came back. They have been a bit troublesome since they returned in 2010.


I was on 506.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:00 pm

With NK having pilot staffing issues, and scheduled to take 33 aircraft in 2023, could there ever be leasing deals with regarding aircraft to be transferred to jetblue (since jetblue is having aircraft delivery issues) all before the B6/NK deals go through? I understand there is still a long way to go for both companies with regarding merging, government approval, and meshing of synergies, but it would also seem like a good business decision for there to be a little help between both companies on a short term level. A transaction would still take place like they were separate companies.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:01 pm

FlyinRabbit88 wrote:
With NK having pilot staffing issues, and scheduled to take 33 aircraft in 2023, could there ever be leasing deals with regarding aircraft to be transferred to jetblue (since jetblue is having aircraft delivery issues) all before the B6/NK deals go through? I understand there is still a long way to go for both companies with regarding merging, government approval, and meshing of synergies, but it would also seem like a good business decision for there to be a little help between both companies on a short term level. A transaction would still take place like they were separate companies.

JetBlue staffing isn’t much better.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sat Nov 12, 2022 7:43 pm

flight152 wrote:
BlueBaller wrote:
tphuang wrote:

I think they are expecting to do better as they build a more solid schedule over time. At the same time, Boston to londong just started, so it will take some time for load to come up. My guess is that they also add another destination next summer. They should be taking more than 1 aircraft before summer season.


The forecast staffing bid from this past August suggests another EU destination by late Spring.


Technically, JB doesn’t have any EU destinations at the moment.

True.
Shows how hard it is to break old habits.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:04 pm

BlueBaller wrote:
tphuang wrote:
hbernal1 wrote:
Looks like JetBlue now has a 2nd permanent LHR slot pair of its own.

https://paxex.aero/jetblue-heathrow-slots-2023/

I think this could mean B6 will be able to use the leased slot pair from QR to continue BOS-LHR and add another daily JFK-LHR flight.


This is good, we are likely to see 4x jfk to London and 2x bos to London next summer, with half of those flights to Heathrow. It's quite interesting to see how JetBlue has been able to slowly accumulate more slots. If it wasn't for the slow a321lr deliveries, they might have been able to operate more flights to London by then.


Based on aircraft deliveries and availability, I believe JetBlue would do better adding a new overseas BlueCity rather than saturating London. Both of yesterday’s JFK-LGWs went out with an average of 70%. Yesterdays BOS-LGW/LHR averaged 50%. Only JFK-LHR looked good at 85%. Granted it’s a quieter time in the year, but it did begin a 3-day weekend. There was some weather impacting the operation yesterday, but the London loads have been far from capacity over the course of the last few months.

They will probably just end up going 6x London because the slots are already there and opening a new station costs a small fortune, but the whole point of the (X)LR experiment was to spread throughout the EU. A DUB and/or PAR flight would be a lot more assertive in that approach rather than conservatively sprinkling in more London.

Transatlantic is in low demand this time of the year. My friend there said it’s been around 70%ish avg load factor lately but said mint is well above that which is good cause he said only half of mint sold already breaks even for the flight. My brother did a trip and flew delta to London and said his flight was half empty. Just a slow time of year. He also told me this past summer the loads to both lgw and lhr were packed full. Like was said, until they get even better schedule and get their brand recognition up to break a little from the legacy competitors that been long entrenched, they will fill up much more. Heard demand and forward bookings for holidays is above expectations. They will be successful even more when they expand into more eu and eventually open a lounge off some sort.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:40 am

Abeam79 wrote:
BlueBaller wrote:
tphuang wrote:

This is good, we are likely to see 4x jfk to London and 2x bos to London next summer, with half of those flights to Heathrow. It's quite interesting to see how JetBlue has been able to slowly accumulate more slots. If it wasn't for the slow a321lr deliveries, they might have been able to operate more flights to London by then.


Based on aircraft deliveries and availability, I believe JetBlue would do better adding a new overseas BlueCity rather than saturating London. Both of yesterday’s JFK-LGWs went out with an average of 70%. Yesterdays BOS-LGW/LHR averaged 50%. Only JFK-LHR looked good at 85%. Granted it’s a quieter time in the year, but it did begin a 3-day weekend. There was some weather impacting the operation yesterday, but the London loads have been far from capacity over the course of the last few months.

They will probably just end up going 6x London because the slots are already there and opening a new station costs a small fortune, but the whole point of the (X)LR experiment was to spread throughout the EU. A DUB and/or PAR flight would be a lot more assertive in that approach rather than conservatively sprinkling in more London.

Transatlantic is in low demand this time of the year. My friend there said it’s been around 70%ish avg load factor lately but said mint is well above that which is good cause he said only half of mint sold already breaks even for the flight. My brother did a trip and flew delta to London and said his flight was half empty. Just a slow time of year. He also told me this past summer the loads to both lgw and lhr were packed full. Like was said, until they get even better schedule and get their brand recognition up to break a little from the legacy competitors that been long entrenched, they will fill up much more. Heard demand and forward bookings for holidays is above expectations. They will be successful even more when they expand into more eu and eventually open a lounge off some sort.


As an employee here, I really do hope we do well on our TATL flying. I heard that mint needs to be full for the flight to be profitable, and/or 80% core to be full. I wish I was more privy to the real answer.
Attrition is bad at JetBlue but believe it or not, we are actually staffed on the pilot side above historic averages. I know our hiring targets calculates that fact; example we hire 100 pilots fully knowing that equals 60 pilots. Not an ideal situation but not as damaging as you think. Spirit on the other hand, seems to have ridiculous attrition. Your leasing idea could be an excellent avenue to take. That would be well into the future though.
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:19 am

11C wrote:
N757ST wrote:
tphuang wrote:
i didn't realize there was still non refurbished A320s around. Does anyone know what's going on with that?


I believe there are 11 no mods flying around. These aircraft are to be retired in the next 3 years and it was deemed they are no economically viable to mod. They generally do shorter flights out of NY and BOS.

I don’t have the tail numbers, but I know 503 504 and 505 are in this group. Some of them are the aircraft that went to russia and came back. They have been a bit troublesome since they returned in 2010.


From the fleet thread courtesy of JFKhangar81:

11 will not be modified:
N503JB
N504JB
N505JB
N506JB
N516JB
N517JB
N519JB
N520JB
N521JB
N523JB
N524JB

I don’t think any of these went to Russia, but please correct me if I’m wrong. I think all of those came back with a “JT” or “JL” in the tail number.


I went browsing through Airfleets.net and it looks like a few of them went to Germany, not Russia. Mostly with Blue Wings, but at least one with Air Berlin.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:22 am

Bos190guy wrote:
As an employee here, I really do hope we do well on our TATL flying. I heard that mint needs to be full for the flight to be profitable, and/or 80% core to be full. I wish I was more privy to the real answer.


The real answer its probably flight by flight. Its probably if 80% of core is full its pretty likely the flight is profitable. Or if Mint is full, its pretty likely the flight is profitable, but I'm sure it can vary depending on yields etc. Like if Mint is full but core is empty? Probably not a profitable flight.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sun Nov 13, 2022 2:05 am

Abeam79 wrote:
BlueBaller wrote:
tphuang wrote:

This is good, we are likely to see 4x jfk to London and 2x bos to London next summer, with half of those flights to Heathrow. It's quite interesting to see how JetBlue has been able to slowly accumulate more slots. If it wasn't for the slow a321lr deliveries, they might have been able to operate more flights to London by then.


Based on aircraft deliveries and availability, I believe JetBlue would do better adding a new overseas BlueCity rather than saturating London. Both of yesterday’s JFK-LGWs went out with an average of 70%. Yesterdays BOS-LGW/LHR averaged 50%. Only JFK-LHR looked good at 85%. Granted it’s a quieter time in the year, but it did begin a 3-day weekend. There was some weather impacting the operation yesterday, but the London loads have been far from capacity over the course of the last few months.

They will probably just end up going 6x London because the slots are already there and opening a new station costs a small fortune, but the whole point of the (X)LR experiment was to spread throughout the EU. A DUB and/or PAR flight would be a lot more assertive in that approach rather than conservatively sprinkling in more London.

Transatlantic is in low demand this time of the year. My friend there said it’s been around 70%ish avg load factor lately but said mint is well above that which is good cause he said only half of mint sold already breaks even for the flight. My brother did a trip and flew delta to London and said his flight was half empty. Just a slow time of year. He also told me this past summer the loads to both lgw and lhr were packed full. Like was said, until they get even better schedule and get their brand recognition up to break a little from the legacy competitors that been long entrenched, they will fill up much more. Heard demand and forward bookings for holidays is above expectations. They will be successful even more when they expand into more eu and eventually open a lounge off some sort.


Definitely is a slow time of year for TATL. I honestly doubt anyone is above 70% regardless of airline/route, and some individual flights will be lower than that. The bright spot for the airlines is that business travel is relatively strong through fall (compared to the holiday season) which helps prop up yields, so I’m not surprised that Mint is still selling well. A few years ago I flew UA IAD-LHR in November, about 10 days before Thanksgiving, and the load in coach was less than half full but Polaris had every seat sold, with not a single upgrade.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:35 pm

USAirKid wrote:
11C wrote:
N757ST wrote:

I believe there are 11 no mods flying around. These aircraft are to be retired in the next 3 years and it was deemed they are no economically viable to mod. They generally do shorter flights out of NY and BOS.

I don’t have the tail numbers, but I know 503 504 and 505 are in this group. Some of them are the aircraft that went to russia and came back. They have been a bit troublesome since they returned in 2010.


From the fleet thread courtesy of JFKhangar81:

11 will not be modified:
N503JB
N504JB
N505JB
N506JB
N516JB
N517JB
N519JB
N520JB
N521JB
N523JB
N524JB

I don’t think any of these went to Russia, but please correct me if I’m wrong. I think all of those came back with a “JT” or “JL” in the tail number.


I went browsing through Airfleets.net and it looks like a few of them went to Germany, not Russia. Mostly with Blue Wings, but at least one with Air Berlin.


That’s correct. I was referring more to the majority ownership (Alexander Lebedev) of Blue Wings.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:13 pm

Im sure it’s been talked about before, but why doesn’t Jetblue serve ISP? I would think this would be a market they could come in and get whatever they wanted out of there with their brand in NY state and also having a their largest station just down the road at JFK.

I would think they would have frequent flyers closer to ISP that would prefer it over JFK just like they do in HPN.

Also will we ever see B6 in Bangor Maine? Summer seasonal to BOS or JFK? Winter season to FL?
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:59 pm

TonyClifton wrote:
Whatever happened to the Thomas Cook 321s? I don’t believe they ever entered service. Did JB end up passing on them? With staffing constraints, doubling down on 321s over 320 long term makes sense.

They were taken by Volaris.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:12 am

BlueBaller wrote:
tphuang wrote:
hbernal1 wrote:
Looks like JetBlue now has a 2nd permanent LHR slot pair of its own.

https://paxex.aero/jetblue-heathrow-slots-2023/

I think this could mean B6 will be able to use the leased slot pair from QR to continue BOS-LHR and add another daily JFK-LHR flight.


This is good, we are likely to see 4x jfk to London and 2x bos to London next summer, with half of those flights to Heathrow. It's quite interesting to see how JetBlue has been able to slowly accumulate more slots. If it wasn't for the slow a321lr deliveries, they might have been able to operate more flights to London by then.


Based on aircraft deliveries and availability, I believe JetBlue would do better adding a new overseas BlueCity rather than saturating London. Both of yesterday’s JFK-LGWs went out with an average of 70%. Yesterdays BOS-LGW/LHR averaged 50%. Only JFK-LHR looked good at 85%. Granted it’s a quieter time in the year, but it did begin a 3-day weekend. There was some weather impacting the operation yesterday, but the London loads have been far from capacity over the course of the last few months.

They will probably just end up going 6x London because the slots are already there and opening a new station costs a small fortune, but the whole point of the (X)LR experiment was to spread throughout the EU. A DUB and/or PAR flight would be a lot more assertive in that approach rather than conservatively sprinkling in more London.


would the Other EU cities not depend on the Uplift of B6's airplanes? Wanting to go somewhere else in Europe and Getting There?are mostly dependent on Just How many ETOPS airplanes and crews B6 actually HasIf B6 flies into Paris, which also depends on the infrastructure as well. B6 might ber doing fine domestically but going to Europe?? is not just wham ban thank you Ma'am. they'll have to prove EVERY route to ascertain whether they can fly the route safely and reliably. I came up through the Charter airline route and some good charter airlines went bust as they couldn't handle their business on far flung routes. wanting to fly a route and flying it? are 2 entinrely different things.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:17 am

JFKspotter wrote:
TonyClifton wrote:
Whatever happened to the Thomas Cook 321s? I don’t believe they ever entered service. Did JB end up passing on them? With staffing constraints, doubling down on 321s over 320 long term makes sense.

They were taken by Volaris.

Actually it was Viva Aerobus.
 
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Re: Jetblue Network Thread - 2022

Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:21 am

FARmd90 wrote:
Im sure it’s been talked about before, but why doesn’t Jetblue serve ISP? I would think this would be a market they could come in and get whatever they wanted out of there with their brand in NY state and also having a their largest station just down the road at JFK.

I would think they would have frequent flyers closer to ISP that would prefer it over JFK just like they do in HPN.

Also will we ever see B6 in Bangor Maine? Summer seasonal to BOS or JFK? Winter season to FL?

ISP has always been strongly rumored and even mentioned by planning but never happens.
Have never heard anything about BGR. With the lack of aircraft right now there won’t be much expansion outside of Europe( and that’s likely to be just 1 new city) in the next 12 months.
 
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JetBlue Announces Paris (CDG) as next Transatlantic Destination

Wed Nov 16, 2022 1:11 pm

Initial service from JFK in Summer 2023. BOS-CDG to be added later.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/a ... 707782002/

Cheers!
Drew
 
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Re: JetBlue Announces Paris (CDG) as next Transatlantic Destination

Wed Nov 16, 2022 1:33 pm

Can't wait to one day see a list of theirs with 10+ TATL destinations. Surprised this didn't happen sooner! Good luck to them. I hope it is a great success.
 
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Re: JetBlue Announces Paris (CDG) as next Transatlantic Destination

Wed Nov 16, 2022 1:40 pm

https://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jet ... wsid=86548
Well this makes a lot of sense. Let's hope the A321LR deliveries are on time so the start won't get delayed. BOS-CDG really needs some competition against the DL/AF monopoly.

Looks like JFK is getting 2 flights to CDG. I was expecting just one.
https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/15 ... 1718592513
 
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Re: JetBlue Announces Paris (CDG) as next Transatlantic Destination

Wed Nov 16, 2022 1:44 pm

Good Luck!! Good pick!
 
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Re: JetBlue Announces Paris (CDG) as next Transatlantic Destination

Wed Nov 16, 2022 1:52 pm

Wow, good news and more competition!
 
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Re: JetBlue Announces Paris (CDG) as next Transatlantic Destination

Wed Nov 16, 2022 1:53 pm

Deltabravo1123 wrote:
Surprised this didn't happen sooner!.....


Maybe because B6 got their first A321LR in late April 2021.....
 
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Re: JetBlue Announces Paris (CDG) as next Transatlantic Destination

Wed Nov 16, 2022 2:02 pm

tphuang wrote:
https://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetblue_airways/usn/usnews-story.aspx?cid=981&newsid=86548
Well this makes a lot of sense. Let's hope the A321LR deliveries are on time so the start won't get delayed. BOS-CDG really needs some competition against the DL/AF monopoly.

Looks like JFK is getting 2 flights to CDG. I was expecting just one.
https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/15 ... 1718592513


BOS needs TATL competition, period. I know that sounds crazy given the amount of TATL airlines and routes that BOS has but when you really look at it, the 3 alliances stick to their own markets and keep everyone out, and you hardly ever see them getting in on someone else's turf. Yes we have AA to CDG and UA to LHR but that's about it. I hope B6 disrupts these monopolies, especially to Germany so we can start seeing lower fares. Can't wait to see what Summer 2024 brings when XLRs are available.
 
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Re: JetBlue Announces Paris (CDG) as next Transatlantic Destination

Wed Nov 16, 2022 3:16 pm

Not exactly a surprise, CDG is a pretty obvious 2nd destination in Europe for an American carrier launching TATL flights. Would be nice to see them going to DUB, AMS, Germany, Spain etc, though maybe waiting for the XLR and a less torrid time for Europe is a wise move.
 
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Re: JetBlue Announces Paris (CDG) as next Transatlantic Destination

Wed Nov 16, 2022 3:25 pm

Difference between BOS-LON and BOS-CDG. This is the difference between competition vs monopoly in business class.

https://www.google.com/travel/flights/s ... FAAUgDmAEB

https://www.google.com/travel/flights/s ... UABSAOYAQE

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