se210 wrote:

Cargojet Airways CJT1791/W81791 B757 C-GIAJ due in ORD just after 07:00AM today (9/29/2022) from YHZ.

Very unusual for O'Hare! Gabriel ("gabik001") has the only photo in the database of Cargojet at O'Hare.
She's on final approach to 9L at the moment.

This summer Matt Kostelnick has had a particularly strong set of O'Hare a/c in action. Here are a few:

A pair of Maxes with the dramatic lighting that photogs dream of...



...and a fine shot of the BA beast preparing to land.


Nice work, Matt!

yeogeo wrote:

This summer Matt Kostelnick has had a particularly strong set of O'Hare a/c in action. Here are a few:

A pair of Maxes with the dramatic lighting that photogs dream of...



...and a fine shot of the BA beast preparing to land.

Nice work, Matt!

Pretty shots by Matt, but the A380 is taking off not landing. FYI it's almost dramatic snow shot season!!

Here is a shot from the coldest day I ever shot in the snow. The runway even has snow still on it. Looking forward to winter Also a bonus ramp shot of a snow bound UA 747 silver bottom.

https://airlinersgallery.smugmug.com/ke ... -hDgp8j3/A

https://airlinersgallery.smugmug.com/ke ... -mPtFvLk/A

scaledesigns wrote:

Pretty shots by Matt, but the A380 is taking off not landing. FYI it's almost dramatic snow shot season!!

Don't rush it! the snow, I mean.
Sorry for the stupid questions, but as far as the A-380, what should have been my clue as to the craft landing or taking off?

yeogeo wrote:

scaledesigns wrote:

Pretty shots by Matt, but the A380 is taking off not landing. FYI it's almost dramatic snow shot season!!

Don't rush it! the snow, I mean.
Sorry for the stupid questions, but as far as the A-380, what should have been my clue as to the craft landing or taking off?

The gear for one, they put the gear down at least 5 miles from the airport, but bring it up right after takeoff.

If they’re that close to the field without the gear all the way down, that’s a bit of a problem.

Posted this on the EAS thread but felt it should be here too...

For Southern taking over Muskegon to ORD, United will voluntarily accommodate them at gate F4 (Terminal 2) for aircraft parking, but check-in and baggage will be done at the Common Use Counters at the end of Terminal 3 next to Cape.

jcwr56 wrote:

For Southern taking over Muskegon to ORD, United will voluntarily accommodate them at gate F4 (Terminal 2) for aircraft parking, but check-in and baggage will be done at the Common Use Counters at the end of Terminal 3 next to Cape.

Always enjoy seeing turboprops tooling around O'Hare.

May they have great sucess!
https://www.wzzm13.com/article/travel/n ... ef29d2860a

FDY471 is taxing at O'Hare at the moment -7:30am.

As being reported and discussed in the UA Network Thread, United is dropping ORD-EUG and ORD-SBA indefinitely.

Link to UA Thread: viewtopic.php?p=23483053#p23483053

Can someone explain to me why United is flying an ORD-MCI flight this morning with a 772?
Maybe the flight number holds a clue: UA2569.
Positioning flight for a charter?
It departed from T-1 C gates, so not a typical sports charter departure.

yeogeo wrote:

Can someone explain to me why United is flying an ORD-MCI flight this morning with a 772?
Maybe the flight number holds a clue: UA2569.
Positioning flight for a charter?
It departed from T-1 C gates, so not a typical sports charter departure.

Likely being ferried down to pick up the KC Chiefs for their game in Tampa on Sunday night.

Will domestic airlines other than DL be located at Terminal 5?

rsgolfpunk wrote:

Will domestic airlines other than DL be located at Terminal 5?

Southwest and Frontier are there now, eventually we’ll see Alaska and jetBlue over there as well.

MLIAA wrote:

rsgolfpunk wrote:

Will domestic airlines other than DL be located at Terminal 5?

Southwest and Frontier are there now, eventually we’ll see Alaska and jetBlue over there as well.

Wouldn’t AS stay in T3 since they are OneWorld?

Overall great to see the improvements being made at O'Hare, but the city really needs to clean up the main tunnel to the CTA. It's increasingly becoming a homeless encampment...

Runway765 wrote:

MLIAA wrote:

rsgolfpunk wrote:

Will domestic airlines other than DL be located at Terminal 5?

Southwest and Frontier are there now, eventually we’ll see Alaska and jetBlue over there as well.

Wouldn’t AS stay in T3 since they are OneWorld?

Just to complete the list, EAS carriers are all to be located in T-5 as well (Denver Air Connection, Cape Air, Southern Airways Express ...anyone else?),
along with previously mentioned DL, WN and F9.

Alaska moves its gates to the end of E-gates in T-2 in a few weeks, so it won't be going anywhere until T-2 faces the wrecking ball years from now.

My understanding is that JetBlue was staying put in T-3.
Could be wrong.

As far as I understand, once DL and the EAS carriers move, NK will take over DL's landside space in T2 and swap their L gates with AA for some on the west side of G. The plan posted awhile back showed NK using G while AS and B6 moved into E with a couple common use on either concourse. They might shuffle that a bit to keep AS close to AA and NK/B6 together but they'll all be using T2 for check-in and baggage claim. UA I think will also be taking some of the E gates to cover any lost due to construction on C. That's pretty much how it'll be for a while until the OGT starts coming together.

Another thing that could play a factor with T2 gate allocation is Air Wisconsin ending it's capacity agreement with United. A lot of those F gates, at least the last time I flew out of there, seemed to be heavy Air Wisconsin. When that ends in 2023, other Express carriers could take over those gates and free up some B, C and E gates for united mainline and other carriers

jcwr56 wrote:

Posted this on the EAS thread but felt it should be here too...

For Southern taking over Muskegon to ORD, United will voluntarily accommodate them at gate F4 (Terminal 2) for aircraft parking, but check-in and baggage will be done at the Common Use Counters at the end of Terminal 3 next to Cape.

Will this be temporary until all the EAS airlines move over to T5?

I know UA is hurting for Gates so surprised, but pleased to see them accommodate Southern to help with connections!

Alex

F4 can only take a 50 seater so they're probably projecting that it will be underutilized as 50 seaters get pulled down.

atrude777 wrote:

jcwr56 wrote:

Posted this on the EAS thread but felt it should be here too...

For Southern taking over Muskegon to ORD, United will voluntarily accommodate them at gate F4 (Terminal 2) for aircraft parking, but check-in and baggage will be done at the Common Use Counters at the end of Terminal 3 next to Cape.

Will this be temporary until all the EAS airlines move over to T5?

I know UA is hurting for Gates so surprised, but pleased to see them accommodate Southern to help with connections!

Alex

As long as UA wants to voluntarily accommodate them, Southern will stay where they're at with aircraft parking. Check in will still be at T3.

Denver Air Connect will continue to park at T5 as they currently do and have checkin and baggage at T3. Cape will remain parking at the end of the L finger through late February '23 then will be moved over to T5. Cape's check-in will remain at T3 as well.

M1 has been officially painted as the EAS gate. Southern was planned to be gated there but UA stepped up.

elbandgeek wrote:

As far as I understand, once DL and the EAS carriers move, NK will take over DL's landside space in T2 and swap their L gates with AA for some on the west side of G. The plan posted awhile back showed NK using G while AS and B6 moved into E with a couple common use on either concourse. They might shuffle that a bit to keep AS close to AA and NK/B6 together but they'll all be using T2 for check-in and baggage claim. UA I think will also be taking some of the E gates to cover any lost due to construction on C. That's pretty much how it'll be for a while until the OGT starts coming together.

That's pretty close...There's a lot in play between now and the end of next year. There's no domestic common use gates declared on E, G for either Winter 2022 or Summer 2023, this allows the CDA to use them as construction swing gates.

jcwr56 wrote:

Denver Air Connect will continue to park at T5 as they currently do and have checkin and baggage at T3. Cape will remain parking at the end of the L finger through late February '23 then will be moved over to T5. Cape's check-in will remain at T3 as well.

How does that work, since the terminals aren't connected? Do pax need to checkin at T3, then take the APM to T5? And conversely, landing pax need to exit T5, take the APM to T3 to gather their bags? Or is it assumed that the vast majority of these passengers are connecting, so won't be using checkin/baggage facilities anyway?

Some service changes to report, all United and United Express (Link to article: https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221004-uanw22dom):

Chicago O’Hare – Cape Girardeau (Last flight 17OCT22)
Chicago O’Hare – Clarksburg (Last flight 30NOV22)
Chicago O’Hare – Eau Claire (Last flight 30NOV22)
Chicago O’Hare – Fort Leonard Wood (Last flight 17OCT22)
Chicago O’Hare – Fresno (Suspended 06SEP22 – 04MAR23)
Chicago O’Hare – Kearney (Last flight 31OCT22)
Chicago O’Hare – Lewisburg (Last flight 30OCT22)
Chicago O’Hare – Muskegon (Last flight 30SEP22)
Chicago O’Hare – Paducah (Last flight 05DEC22)
Chicago O’Hare – Rapid City (Suspended 04JAN23 – 04MAY23)
Chicago O’Hare – Reno (Suspended 06SEP22 – 02MAR23)
Chicago O’Hare – Spokane (Suspended 29SEP22 – 04MAY23)
Chicago O’Hare – Staunton/Waynesborough (Planned resumption from 01DEC22 removed)

yeogeo wrote:

se210 wrote:

Cargojet Airways CJT1791/W81791 B757 C-GIAJ due in ORD just after 07:00AM today (9/29/2022) from YHZ.

Very unusual for O'Hare! Gabriel ("gabik001") has the only photo in the database of Cargojet at O'Hare.
She's on final approach to 9L at the moment.

Well, it was taken when CJT was flying for LOT as a Lot Cargo from KTW and WRO. After that Cargojet was trying to establish a regular connection to ORD so we did see variety of equipment (B762, ,B752 and B722 as well but I did not take a picture of her at ORD but got from YHM). But indeed now is very unusual here...

muralir wrote:

jcwr56 wrote:

Denver Air Connect will continue to park at T5 as they currently do and have checkin and baggage at T3. Cape will remain parking at the end of the L finger through late February '23 then will be moved over to T5. Cape's check-in will remain at T3 as well.

How does that work, since the terminals aren't connected? Do pax need to checkin at T3, then take the APM to T5? And conversely, landing pax need to exit T5, take the APM to T3 to gather their bags? Or is it assumed that the vast majority of these passengers are connecting, so won't be using checkin/baggage facilities anyway?

They'll be bussed to/from T3 over to T5 and vis-a-vis using L11a. In March AA gets possession of L9 and L11 as part of the gate swap, this will require a change to where EAS passengers will be gated for bussing.

jcwr56 wrote:

muralir wrote:

jcwr56 wrote:

Denver Air Connect will continue to park at T5 as they currently do and have checkin and baggage at T3. Cape will remain parking at the end of the L finger through late February '23 then will be moved over to T5. Cape's check-in will remain at T3 as well.

How does that work, since the terminals aren't connected? Do pax need to checkin at T3, then take the APM to T5? And conversely, landing pax need to exit T5, take the APM to T3 to gather their bags? Or is it assumed that the vast majority of these passengers are connecting, so won't be using checkin/baggage facilities anyway?

They'll be bussed to/from T3 over to T5 and vis-a-vis using L11a. In March AA gets possession of L9 and L11 as part of the gate swap, this will require a change to where EAS passengers will be gated for bussing.

Will AA just get those two gates in March or will it be L5 and L7 as well?

https://twitter.com/fly2ohare/status/15 ... a_DpqaK6EQ
DL move confirmed for next Wednesday.

elbandgeek wrote:

https://twitter.com/fly2ohare/status/1577687265677131777?s=20&t=V8kn4UwH91JSa_DpqaK6EQ
DL move confirmed for next Wednesday.

Thanks for sharing!!

Per the article form the CDA, which is here: https://www.flychicago.com/business/med ... ewsid=1722, and was linked in the twitter post

- Delta will occupy M2 - M11
- United will occupy E7 - E14
- Alaska will occupy E15 and E17
- The new Delta Sky Club will be between M11 and M14
- Nothing about the old sky club in T2...yet.

emcm541 wrote:

- Delta will occupy M2 - M11
- United will occupy E7 - E14
- Alaska will occupy E15 and E17

Are E7-E14 striped for all mainline (narrowbody) or are some large RJ only? UA gaining 8 gates at ORD is a pretty big score.

jetblastdubai wrote:

emcm541 wrote:

- Delta will occupy M2 - M11
- United will occupy E7 - E14
- Alaska will occupy E15 and E17

Are E7-E14 striped for all mainline (narrowbody) or are some large RJ only? UA gaining 8 gates at ORD is a pretty big score.

E7 would probably be a tight fit for an A319 and anything larger is probably a no. The rest can handle most narrowbodies.

drdisque wrote:

jetblastdubai wrote:

emcm541 wrote:

- Delta will occupy M2 - M11
- United will occupy E7 - E14
- Alaska will occupy E15 and E17

Are E7-E14 striped for all mainline (narrowbody) or are some large RJ only? UA gaining 8 gates at ORD is a pretty big score.

E7 would probably be a tight fit for an A319 and anything larger is probably a no. The rest can handle most narrowbodies.

E7 might be a good spot for an E175 from one of the B or C gates that can accommodate larger aircraft, instead of parking an E-jet.

Looking at google maps and a terminal map, it's interesting that the CDA news release mentioned nothing of E16. Alaska was only getting E15 and E17. So not sure if that omission was just an oversight or is it possible E16 will be deactivated and either reconfigure E14 or just remove and have the extra seating space without additional changes?

emcm541 wrote:

drdisque wrote:

jetblastdubai wrote:

Are E7-E14 striped for all mainline (narrowbody) or are some large RJ only? UA gaining 8 gates at ORD is a pretty big score.

E7 would probably be a tight fit for an A319 and anything larger is probably a no. The rest can handle most narrowbodies.

E7 might be a good spot for an E175 from one of the B or C gates that can accommodate larger aircraft, instead of parking an E-jet.

Looking at google maps and a terminal map, it's interesting that the CDA news release mentioned nothing of E16. Alaska was only getting E15 and E17. So not sure if that omission was just an oversight or is it possible E16 will be deactivated and either reconfigure E14 or just remove and have the extra seating space without additional changes?

E16 doesn't exist.

drdisque wrote:

emcm541 wrote:

drdisque wrote:

E7 would probably be a tight fit for an A319 and anything larger is probably a no. The rest can handle most narrowbodies.

E7 might be a good spot for an E175 from one of the B or C gates that can accommodate larger aircraft, instead of parking an E-jet.

Looking at google maps and a terminal map, it's interesting that the CDA news release mentioned nothing of E16. Alaska was only getting E15 and E17. So not sure if that omission was just an oversight or is it possible E16 will be deactivated and either reconfigure E14 or just remove and have the extra seating space without additional changes?

E16 doesn't exist.

E16 does exist currently and will remain for sometime. In fact DL 1595 is at gate and will depart from there at 18:40 to LGA. E16 eventually closes but that is a few years away.

TrafficCop wrote:

drdisque wrote:

emcm541 wrote:

E7 might be a good spot for an E175 from one of the B or C gates that can accommodate larger aircraft, instead of parking an E-jet.

Looking at google maps and a terminal map, it's interesting that the CDA news release mentioned nothing of E16. Alaska was only getting E15 and E17. So not sure if that omission was just an oversight or is it possible E16 will be deactivated and either reconfigure E14 or just remove and have the extra seating space without additional changes?

E16 doesn't exist.

E16 does exist currently and will remain for sometime. In fact DL 1595 is at gate and will depart from there at 18:40 to LGA. E16 eventually closes but that is a few years away.

Which one is it? The map I looked at didn't have it and I can't find an E16 on any of the leader lines via Google maps.

drdisque wrote:

TrafficCop wrote:

drdisque wrote:

E16 doesn't exist.

E16 does exist currently and will remain for sometime. In fact DL 1595 is at gate and will depart from there at 18:40 to LGA. E16 eventually closes but that is a few years away.

Which one is it? The map I looked at didn't have it and I can't find an E16 on any of the leader lines via Google maps.

It’s the last one on the north side of E.

MLIAA wrote:

drdisque wrote:

TrafficCop wrote:

E16 does exist currently and will remain for sometime. In fact DL 1595 is at gate and will depart from there at 18:40 to LGA. E16 eventually closes but that is a few years away.

Which one is it? The map I looked at didn't have it and I can't find an E16 on any of the leader lines via Google maps.

It’s the last one on the north side of E.

Historic Aerials / OpenStreetMap are useful for this E gate discussion:

Shows all current E Gates including E16
https://www.historicaerials.com/location/41.97495/-87.907/map/17

NW DC-9 parked at E7 in 2002 (zoom out to see other aircraft at the E gates)
https://www.historicaerials.com/location/41.97472/-87.9073/2002/19

UA DC-10 parked at E16 and UA B737 parked at E7 in 1981
https://www.historicaerials.com/location/41.9745/-87.90721/1981/17

So Delta gets 9 (by my count) gates? That seems like a lot. Are they planning on adding routes and frequencies?

ORDLHR787 wrote:

So Delta gets 9 (by my count) gates? That seems like a lot. Are they planning on adding routes and frequencies?

These will not be Delta specific gates. They will be shared and utilized by other airlines when not in use

drdisque wrote:

jetblastdubai wrote:

emcm541 wrote:

- Delta will occupy M2 - M11
- United will occupy E7 - E14
- Alaska will occupy E15 and E17

Are E7-E14 striped for all mainline (narrowbody) or are some large RJ only? UA gaining 8 gates at ORD is a pretty big score.

E7 would probably be a tight fit for an A319 and anything larger is probably a no. The rest can handle most narrowbodies.

United is not gaining eight gates. They are losing several on C to make room for the extension that will link satellite 1.

emcm541 wrote:

drdisque wrote:

jetblastdubai wrote:

Are E7-E14 striped for all mainline (narrowbody) or are some large RJ only? UA gaining 8 gates at ORD is a pretty big score.

E7 would probably be a tight fit for an A319 and anything larger is probably a no. The rest can handle most narrowbodies.

E7 might be a good spot for an E175 from one of the B or C gates that can accommodate larger aircraft, instead of parking an E-jet.

Looking at google maps and a terminal map, it's interesting that the CDA news release mentioned nothing of E16. Alaska was only getting E15 and E17. So not sure if that omission was just an oversight or is it possible E16 will be deactivated and either reconfigure E14 or just remove and have the extra seating space without additional changes?

I thought Alaska and United were also going to share a common use gate...

e175a321fan wrote:

emcm541 wrote:

drdisque wrote:

E7 would probably be a tight fit for an A319 and anything larger is probably a no. The rest can handle most narrowbodies.

E7 might be a good spot for an E175 from one of the B or C gates that can accommodate larger aircraft, instead of parking an E-jet.

Looking at google maps and a terminal map, it's interesting that the CDA news release mentioned nothing of E16. Alaska was only getting E15 and E17. So not sure if that omission was just an oversight or is it possible E16 will be deactivated and either reconfigure E14 or just remove and have the extra seating space without additional changes?

I thought Alaska and United were also going to share a common use gate...

Common use G4, G6, E16 remains as construction swing gates (more for UA) the gate swaps taking place between (AA, UA, NK, AS) have a long duration. B6 remains, so they're the lucky ones. There's no official schedules being approved for these during the swap period, once the swaps are over and declared for common use, only then will they count and the preferential carriers will need to justify applying for use of them. This also applies for the additional stinger gates on L.

se210 wrote:

MLIAA wrote:

drdisque wrote:

Which one is it? The map I looked at didn't have it and I can't find an E16 on any of the leader lines via Google maps.

It’s the last one on the north side of E.

Historic Aerials / OpenStreetMap are useful for this E gate discussion:

Shows all current E Gates including E16
https://www.historicaerials.com/location/41.97495/-87.907/map/17

NW DC-9 parked at E7 in 2002 (zoom out to see other aircraft at the E gates)
https://www.historicaerials.com/location/41.97472/-87.9073/2002/19

UA DC-10 parked at E16 and UA B737 parked at E7 in 1981
https://www.historicaerials.com/location/41.9745/-87.90721/1981/17

In the 2002 shot, what is now F10 ends much closer to the terminal as what is now F12 no longer exists. I suspect that the new length of the F10 parking area restricts aircraft length significantly on E7.

Also what is that at the current F10 in the 2002 shot? A UAX BAe 146? What are the props on low F ground board gates?

If I recall, the props were Great Lakes Aviation that flew UAX.

jcwr56 wrote:

e175a321fan wrote:

emcm541 wrote:

E7 might be a good spot for an E175 from one of the B or C gates that can accommodate larger aircraft, instead of parking an E-jet.

Looking at google maps and a terminal map, it's interesting that the CDA news release mentioned nothing of E16. Alaska was only getting E15 and E17. So not sure if that omission was just an oversight or is it possible E16 will be deactivated and either reconfigure E14 or just remove and have the extra seating space without additional changes?

I thought Alaska and United were also going to share a common use gate...

Common use G4, G6, E16 remains as construction swing gates (more for UA) the gate swaps taking place between (AA, UA, NK, AS) have a long duration. B6 remains, so they're the lucky ones. There's no official schedules being approved for these during the swap period, once the swaps are over and declared for common use, only then will they count and the preferential carriers will need to justify applying for use of them. This also applies for the additional stinger gates on L.

Realistically though, it will be AA using the stinger gates and maybe a combination of UA/AS at E16. It’s not like DL or UA will be at the stinger, right?

Who will use the G gates?

drdisque wrote:

In the 2002 shot, what is now F10 ends much closer to the terminal as what is now F12 no longer exists. I suspect that the new length of the F10 parking area restricts aircraft length significantly on E7.
Also what is that at the current F10 in the 2002 shot? A UAX BAe 146? What are the props on low F ground board gates?

In the 2002 aerial it is definately an United Express/Air Wisconsin BAe-146 at Gate F10. The 3 props on the lower F gates look to be United Express/Air Wisconsin Dornier 328s based on the wing taper (compare profile to https://faq-fra.aviatechno.net/guide/dornier328.php).

Polish Air Force Gulfstream G550 (G-V-SP) 0002 operating as PLF104 WAW-ORD due in about 10:20 this morning (10/07/2022)

MLIAA wrote:

jcwr56 wrote:

e175a321fan wrote:

I thought Alaska and United were also going to share a common use gate...

Common use G4, G6, E16 remains as construction swing gates (more for UA) the gate swaps taking place between (AA, UA, NK, AS) have a long duration. B6 remains, so they're the lucky ones. There's no official schedules being approved for these during the swap period, once the swaps are over and declared for common use, only then will they count and the preferential carriers will need to justify applying for use of them. This also applies for the additional stinger gates on L.

Realistically though, it will be AA using the stinger gates and maybe a combination of UA/AS at E16. It’s not like DL or UA will be at the stinger, right?

Who will use the G gates?

The stinger will be limited by E190 and smaller aircraft, so there's not many that could operate on those. DAC could and so could any of the EAS carriers.

E and G you have Frontier, Sun Country, DAC, EAS who can apply for domestic common use after the swaps are done. Southwest has a large operation, so I wouldn't see them over there. Access to new entrants is something the DOT keeps a keen on eye. When DL moves to T5, M2-M11 become their preferential gates. I'm more curious how the B6 and NK merger is going to be handled if it's approved, Jet Blue would really need to ramp up their operations to maintain 5 preferential gates over the single one they have now.

What's the new expansion by gate C16? Saw it pop out this last year, and still seems to be under construction... Is this for an expansion of the united club?

Seems a bit baffling that AA isn’t making room for Alaska in T3, or perhaps even JetBlue, given that AA’s ORD operations remain underutilized. Perhaps AA doesn’t want to free up space for UA?

CMA CGM Air Cargo CMA404/2C404 CDG-ORD B777-F F-HMRB. First trip to North America since the delivery flight on 06/01/2022 from PAE-CDG (based on ADS-B Exchange website data). Currently due in ORD around 19:50.