Chicago Aviation Thread - 2022

emcm541 · Wed Aug 17, 2022 4:39 pm

Delta appears to be fully dropping RDU and CVG from ORD per the Delta \thread and the Ohio Thread

Delta Network Thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468453&start=1250

Rest of Ohio Thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468521&start=500#p23421899

SurfandSnow · Wed Aug 17, 2022 4:58 pm

emcm541 wrote:
Delta appears to be fully dropping RDU and CVG from ORD per the Delta \thread and the Ohio Thread

Delta Network Thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468453&start=1250

Rest of Ohio Thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468521&start=500#p23421899

No surprise there. You almost to have wonder if something like ORD-LAX or even ORD-MIA makes more sense?

jplatts · Wed Aug 17, 2022 5:36 pm

emcm541 wrote:
Delta appears to be fully dropping RDU and CVG from ORD per the Delta \thread and the Ohio Thread

Delta Network Thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468453&start=1250

Rest of Ohio Thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468521&start=500#p23421899

Here were the CHI-CVG/RDU PDEW's in 2019:
ORD-CVG - 306
MDW-CVG - 103
CHI-CVG - 409

ORD-RDU - 535
MDW-RDU - 211
CHI-RDU - 746

Here were the CHI-CVG/RDU PDEW's in Q1 2022:
ORD-CVG - 119 (38.89% of 2019 levels)
MDW-CVG - 33 (32.04% of 2019 levels)
CHI-CVG - 152 (37.16% of 2019 levels)

ORD-RDU - 276 (51.59% of 2019 levels)
MDW-RDU - 110 (52.13% of 2019 levels)
CHI-RDU - 386 (51.74% of 2019 levels)

I can certainly understand DL completely dropping ORD-CVG nonstop service with there being significantly less O&D demand to Chicago from CVG than was the case prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.

I can also understand DL completely dropping ORD-RDU with CHI-RDU O&D demand being approximately half of pre-pandemic O&D demand levels in Q1 2022.

yeogeo · Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:07 pm

SurfandSnow wrote:
emcm541 wrote:
Delta appears to be fully dropping RDU and CVG from ORD per the Delta \thread and the Ohio Thread

Delta Network Thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468453&start=1250

Rest of Ohio Thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468521&start=500#p23421899

No surprise there. You almost to have wonder if something like ORD-LAX or even ORD-MIA makes more sense?

I think ORD-LAX is a slam-dunk for Delta.
Perhaps they're setting us up for a new route announcement along with the move to T-5 in early September.

emcm541 · Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:21 pm

yeogeo wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:
emcm541 wrote:
Delta appears to be fully dropping RDU and CVG from ORD per the Delta \thread and the Ohio Thread

Delta Network Thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468453&start=1250

Rest of Ohio Thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468521&start=500#p23421899

No surprise there. You almost to have wonder if something like ORD-LAX or even ORD-MIA makes more sense?

I think ORD-LAX is a slam-dunk for Delta.
Perhaps they're setting us up for a new route announcement along with the move to T-5 in early September.

While I also think ORD-LAX makes sense, I also wonder if there's already too much capacity on that route at this moment in time. But... that's why I am here and Delta has its own employees.
I also wonder if DL would consider any other P2P routes, now that they have their own space aligned with their Sky Team partners. From what I've heard previously from a Delta pilot was that they will probably upguage and right-sizing a lot of the routes out of ORD.

se210 · Thu Aug 18, 2022 1:51 pm

gabik001 wrote:
se210 wrote:
Looks like OE-LFC is finally making the trip to ORD today (08/16/22) as KF9287. Currently due in ORD at 15:49.
OE-LFC landed at ORD at 15:24 on 10C and is parked over at the North East Cargo Ramp. Due to depart at 19:25 as KF9288 (ORD-BRU)

I missed it! ...Hoping that OE-LFC will be back soon!

Air Belgium/Hongyuan Group OE-LFC B747-87UF flying BRU-ORD today (08/18/2022) operating as KF9187. It is currently scheduled to arrive ORD at 17:23 CDT.

UWPAviation · Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:11 pm

yeogeo wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:
emcm541 wrote:
Delta appears to be fully dropping RDU and CVG from ORD per the Delta \thread and the Ohio Thread

Delta Network Thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468453&start=1250

Rest of Ohio Thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1468521&start=500#p23421899

No surprise there. You almost to have wonder if something like ORD-LAX or even ORD-MIA makes more sense?

I think ORD-LAX is a slam-dunk for Delta.
Perhaps they're setting us up for a new route announcement along with the move to T-5 in early September.

You'd almost certainly think that is what they are planning.

BigPlaneGuy13 · Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:48 pm

emcm541 wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:

No surprise there. You almost to have wonder if something like ORD-LAX or even ORD-MIA makes more sense?

I think ORD-LAX is a slam-dunk for Delta.
Perhaps they're setting us up for a new route announcement along with the move to T-5 in early September.

While I also think ORD-LAX makes sense, I also wonder if there's already too much capacity on that route at this moment in time. But... that's why I am here and Delta has its own employees.
I also wonder if DL would consider any other P2P routes, now that they have their own space aligned with their Sky Team partners. From what I've heard previously from a Delta pilot was that they will probably upguage and right-sizing a lot of the routes out of ORD.

As a Chicago-native now living in Los Angeles, it completely blows my mind that a Big Three airline does not have nonstop flights connecting between the 2nd and 3rd largest cities in the country. For this sole reason I could never be a DL customer. I think it is a fallacy that there is too much capacity. How many DL fliers are taking UA, WN, NK, AA simply for the convenience of nonstop service?

My guess is it's substantial enough that they could fill at least 2 flights a day.

scaledesigns · Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:16 am

Saw this Ameristar DC9 on the south cargo ramp today. I think it sustained some kind of damage, maybe a flock of birds. Also the Alitalia 777 had mechanics working on it today. Not sure when it will leave, but maybe soon as it is due to enter service with it's new owner/leaser in September.

https://www.airlinefan.com/airline-phot ... W/4384327/

gabik001 · Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:09 am

se210 wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
se210 wrote:
Looks like OE-LFC is finally making the trip to ORD today (08/16/22) as KF9287. Currently due in ORD at 15:49.
OE-LFC landed at ORD at 15:24 on 10C and is parked over at the North East Cargo Ramp. Due to depart at 19:25 as KF9288 (ORD-BRU)

I missed it! ...Hoping that OE-LFC will be back soon!

Air Belgium/Hongyuan Group OE-LFC B747-87UF flying BRU-ORD today (08/18/2022) operating as KF9187. It is currently scheduled to arrive ORD at 17:23 CDT.

Luckily I was able to take some shots of her but it was challenging as she was first plane that landed from east when ATC switched pattern and I had to run to the other side from the west. She is still on the ground at ORD.

se210 · Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:46 am

Iberia IB6275 MAD-ORD is operating as an A350 today (08/19/2022) versus the usual A330.

EC-NLP Airbus A350-941 MSN#453

se210 · Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:24 pm

These aircraft arrived at GYY yesterday (08/18/2022) for the upcoming Chicago Air and Water Show on the weekend...

170000 C-130J US Marines Blue Angels and 98-0052 USAF C-17A operating into GYY as ANGEL01 (assuming for Blue Angels support)

17-01609 DHC-8-315 Golden Knights - US Army Parachute Team and 59-1466 Illinois ANG KC-135R

PUDFW · Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:01 pm

Not surprising, I always thought the price and timeline were too aggressive but the main issue is Mayor Lightweight is in over her head. Chicago is lucky, Rahm and Daley had a vision for the airport and got the runways moved. Lightweight is just riding their coattails and not executing on the plan. Too bad the mayor race isnt looking promising, Chicago could be stuck with her for another 4 years. If that happens it means we can expect more disappointments with Ohare

———————

The cost of the terminal rebuild at O’Hare International Airport is going up, but so is its bond rating.

The city of Chicago now estimates that the new global terminal, which hasn’t yet begun to be built, and related projects will cost $7.1 billion, up from the $6.1 billion price tag when the project was announced. It’s part of a larger O’Hare program that includes other capital and maintenance projects that originally was estimated at $8.5 billion but now is projected to cost $9.8 billion. Along with other previously approved and additional projects, the total is now $12.1 billion.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/airline ... 85-billion

scaledesigns · Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:09 pm

If the price to operate out of ORD continues to rise with the new expansion the doom and gloom that out of town poster submitted might happen. Chicago needs to wake up. The southern hubs are stealing alot of traffic from ORD. They are at almost pre pandemic levels, and here at ORD we have nowhere near that on domestic mainline flights. Make them want to increase Chicago.

yeogeo · Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:10 pm

Whoa! 22 R and 22L arrivals this morning.. what's up??

RushmoreAir · Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:29 pm

yeogeo wrote:
Whoa! 22 R and 22L arrivals this morning.. what's up??

Rehearsal for the air and water show tomorrow! TFR is in place along the lakeshore precluding arrivals on the 27s.

gabik001 · Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:37 pm

RushmoreAir wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
Whoa! 22 R and 22L arrivals this morning.. what's up??

Rehearsal for the air and water show tomorrow! TFR is in place along the lakeshore precluding arrivals on the 27s.

Anyway wind 200@14...
BTW GlobalX A322 N628VA flight GXA610 from BED is scheduled to ORD at 3:43pm today. Former Virgin America and Alaska bird.

yeogeo · Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:13 pm

gabik001 wrote:
GlobalX A322 N628VA flight GXA610 from BED is scheduled to ORD at 3:43pm today. Former Virgin America and Alaska bird.

jcwr56 · Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:17 pm

PUDFW wrote:
Not surprising, I always thought the price and timeline were too aggressive but the main issue is Mayor Lightweight is in over her head. Chicago is lucky, Rahm and Daley had a vision for the airport and got the runways moved. Lightweight is just riding their coattails and not executing on the plan. Too bad the mayor race isnt looking promising, Chicago could be stuck with her for another 4 years. If that happens it means we can expect more disappointments with Ohare

———————

The cost of the terminal rebuild at O’Hare International Airport is going up, but so is its bond rating.

The city of Chicago now estimates that the new global terminal, which hasn’t yet begun to be built, and related projects will cost $7.1 billion, up from the $6.1 billion price tag when the project was announced. It’s part of a larger O’Hare program that includes other capital and maintenance projects that originally was estimated at $8.5 billion but now is projected to cost $9.8 billion. Along with other previously approved and additional projects, the total is now $12.1 billion.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/airline ... 85-billion

And...lets add this in to temper the discussion The rising costs, while eye-popping, were contemplated in the lease agreement between the city and the airlines that use O’Hare, including its largest carriers, United Airlines and American Airlines, that was signed four years ago.

The fact the bond rating companies have pushed the rating to A+ means the way the project is being managed at this point is positive and the agencies have faith that will continue. No one is saying it's doom and gloom and yes, there's been hiccups. COVID worldwide stopped a lot of capital projects, give ORD credit, the airlines and CDA advanced a lot projects forward over the last two years.

gabik001 · Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:02 pm

yeogeo wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
GlobalX A322 N628VA flight GXA610 from BED is scheduled to ORD at 3:43pm today. Former Virgin America and Alaska bird.

Got it, landed on 27R.

ORDfan · Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:45 pm

scaledesigns wrote:
If the price to operate out of ORD continues to rise with the new expansion the doom and gloom that out of town poster submitted might happen. Chicago needs to wake up. The southern hubs are stealing alot of traffic from ORD. They are at almost pre pandemic levels, and here at ORD we have nowhere near that on domestic mainline flights. Make them want to increase Chicago.

Ya this is just straight up wrong, not factually accurate.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg-hi ... mp-flights

Total flights leapt 22% in the first half of the year, much more than most competing airfields.

In the first six months of the year, total flight operations at O’Hare grew a whopping 22%, far more than most major competing airfields. As a result, O’Hare in the first half of the year has moved back to second place on the busiest U.S. airports list, narrowly trailing Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson and ahead of Dallas/Fort Worth International, according to data from the Federal Aviation Administration.
According to FAA, total operations (departures plus arrivals) at O’Hare in the first six months of the year hit 348,604, up 22% from the same period in 2021. Atlanta was at 353,758, up 5%, and Dallas/Fort Worth at 320,533, up 5%. O’Hare also led Denver International, up 12% at 293,819, and Los Angeles International, up 27% to 275,050.

Traffic also grew at Chicago’s Midway, up 19% to 95,791 total operations.

scaledesigns · Sat Aug 20, 2022 10:39 pm

ORDfan wrote:
scaledesigns wrote:
If the price to operate out of ORD continues to rise with the new expansion the doom and gloom that out of town poster submitted might happen. Chicago needs to wake up. The southern hubs are stealing alot of traffic from ORD. They are at almost pre pandemic levels, and here at ORD we have nowhere near that on domestic mainline flights. Make them want to increase Chicago.

Ya this is just straight up wrong, not factually accurate.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg-hi ... mp-flights

Total flights leapt 22% in the first half of the year, much more than most competing airfields.

In the first six months of the year, total flight operations at O’Hare grew a whopping 22%, far more than most major competing airfields. As a result, O’Hare in the first half of the year has moved back to second place on the busiest U.S. airports list, narrowly trailing Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson and ahead of Dallas/Fort Worth International, according to data from the Federal Aviation Administration.
According to FAA, total operations (departures plus arrivals) at O’Hare in the first six months of the year hit 348,604, up 22% from the same period in 2021. Atlanta was at 353,758, up 5%, and Dallas/Fort Worth at 320,533, up 5%. O’Hare also led Denver International, up 12% at 293,819, and Los Angeles International, up 27% to 275,050.

Traffic also grew at Chicago’s Midway, up 19% to 95,791 total operations.

Compare ORD 2019 to ORD 2022 passenger flights. Then compare ATL, DFW, DEN and CLT 2019 passenger flights to 2022 passenger flights.

kordcj · Sat Aug 20, 2022 11:37 pm

PUDFW wrote:
Not surprising, I always thought the price and timeline were too aggressive but the main issue is Mayor Lightweight is in over her head. Chicago is lucky, Rahm and Daley had a vision for the airport and got the runways moved. Lightweight is just riding their coattails and not executing on the plan. Too bad the mayor race isnt looking promising, Chicago could be stuck with her for another 4 years. If that happens it means we can expect more disappointments with Ohare

———————

The cost of the terminal rebuild at O’Hare International Airport is going up, but so is its bond rating.

The city of Chicago now estimates that the new global terminal, which hasn’t yet begun to be built, and related projects will cost $7.1 billion, up from the $6.1 billion price tag when the project was announced. It’s part of a larger O’Hare program that includes other capital and maintenance projects that originally was estimated at $8.5 billion but now is projected to cost $9.8 billion. Along with other previously approved and additional projects, the total is now $12.1 billion.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/airline ... 85-billion

Did the price go up due to mismanagement or because of the cost of materials? Have you tried purchasing any steel lately? The cost of material vs 2018 is ridiculous. What my company paid for a storage tank in 2018 costs some 65% more today. Some even more, FIBA tanks used to cost $30k, now they’re $125k. I’m no fan of Lightfoot as I wholly agree she’s in over her head.

Planeboy17 · Sun Aug 21, 2022 3:14 am

scaledesigns wrote:
ORDfan wrote:
scaledesigns wrote:
If the price to operate out of ORD continues to rise with the new expansion the doom and gloom that out of town poster submitted might happen. Chicago needs to wake up. The southern hubs are stealing alot of traffic from ORD. They are at almost pre pandemic levels, and here at ORD we have nowhere near that on domestic mainline flights. Make them want to increase Chicago.

Ya this is just straight up wrong, not factually accurate.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg-hi ... mp-flights

Total flights leapt 22% in the first half of the year, much more than most competing airfields.

In the first six months of the year, total flight operations at O’Hare grew a whopping 22%, far more than most major competing airfields. As a result, O’Hare in the first half of the year has moved back to second place on the busiest U.S. airports list, narrowly trailing Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson and ahead of Dallas/Fort Worth International, according to data from the Federal Aviation Administration.
According to FAA, total operations (departures plus arrivals) at O’Hare in the first six months of the year hit 348,604, up 22% from the same period in 2021. Atlanta was at 353,758, up 5%, and Dallas/Fort Worth at 320,533, up 5%. O’Hare also led Denver International, up 12% at 293,819, and Los Angeles International, up 27% to 275,050.

Traffic also grew at Chicago’s Midway, up 19% to 95,791 total operations.

Compare ORD 2019 to ORD 2022 passenger flights. Then compare ATL, DFW, DEN and CLT 2019 passenger flights to 2022 passenger flights.

Huh? Did you do that? Why not show the results if you did? I don’t understand why you would post this question if your trying to show ORD isn’t doing well. Go ahead and show the data. Maybe your right but I don’t understand why you want everyone to look it up instead of just posting the data. :roll:

gabik001 · Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:52 am

Went today to the lakefront at North Avenue beach to see some birds. I was very happy how my Sigma 150-600 was working at the Northern Lighting so decided to check it again at Chicago Air and Water show. I wasn't disappointed again. Photos went well, especially F-35 and V-22 however they shorten entire show due to rain. Airhow restarted after 1pm but we could not see C-17, Fat Albert, KC-135 (showed for a minute and returned to GYY) and Stearman biplane (also returned). But V-22 display was amazing (especially due to high humidity nice vortex visible) along with F-35 (which was amazing too however I saw a lot of them at Volk Field so wasn't surprised). F-22 was so so and seems like Blue Angles did well however I saw better performances of them. Overall nice show and plenty of good pictures.

ORDfan · Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:28 pm

gabik001 wrote:
Went today to the lakefront at North Avenue beach to see some birds. I was very happy how my Sigma 150-600 was working at the Northern Lighting so decided to check it again at Chicago Air and Water show. I wasn't disappointed again. Photos went well, especially F-35 and V-22 however they shorten entire show due to rain. Airhow restarted after 1pm but we could not see C-17, Fat Albert, KC-135 (showed for a minute and returned to GYY) and Stearman biplane (also returned). But V-22 display was amazing (especially due to high humidity nice vortex visible) along with F-35 (which was amazing too however I saw a lot of them at Volk Field so wasn't surprised). F-22 was so so and seems like Blue Angles did well however I saw better performances of them. Overall nice show and plenty of good pictures.

Keep in mind the Blue Angles are now on the Super Hornet E/F models, and I have noticed that delta and diamond formations are not quite as tight as with the legacy Hornet. Additionally, for the weekend, they were running their "low program" to account for the lower vis and cloud cover.

ORDfan · Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:40 pm

scaledesigns wrote:
ORDfan wrote:
scaledesigns wrote:
If the price to operate out of ORD continues to rise with the new expansion the doom and gloom that out of town poster submitted might happen. Chicago needs to wake up. The southern hubs are stealing alot of traffic from ORD. They are at almost pre pandemic levels, and here at ORD we have nowhere near that on domestic mainline flights. Make them want to increase Chicago.

Ya this is just straight up wrong, not factually accurate.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg-hi ... mp-flights

Total flights leapt 22% in the first half of the year, much more than most competing airfields.

In the first six months of the year, total flight operations at O’Hare grew a whopping 22%, far more than most major competing airfields. As a result, O’Hare in the first half of the year has moved back to second place on the busiest U.S. airports list, narrowly trailing Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson and ahead of Dallas/Fort Worth International, according to data from the Federal Aviation Administration.
According to FAA, total operations (departures plus arrivals) at O’Hare in the first six months of the year hit 348,604, up 22% from the same period in 2021. Atlanta was at 353,758, up 5%, and Dallas/Fort Worth at 320,533, up 5%. O’Hare also led Denver International, up 12% at 293,819, and Los Angeles International, up 27% to 275,050.

Traffic also grew at Chicago’s Midway, up 19% to 95,791 total operations.

Compare ORD 2019 to ORD 2022 passenger flights. Then compare ATL, DFW, DEN and CLT 2019 passenger flights to 2022 passenger flights.

Not sure if you know how stats works, but the numbers above are YTD ops for the respective airports, meaning post COVID, ORD is the #2 airport in country for total ops. If other airports have come closer to pre-COVID levels of ops, its because they didn't have as many ops to begin with in 2019 as ORD did.

Let's see your database, rather than just speculating.

emcm541 · Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:54 pm

As being reported in 4 other threads (AA, A-Eagle, UA Network threads and a separate thread), UA to wind down Air Wisconsin flying in 2023 and Air Wisconsin to pick A-Eagle flying. No desire to create a 5th thread for this to be discussed, but this could pose some interesting route shifts for ORD. Since Air Whisky usually uses F concourse, might makes things ever so slightly more conducive for preliminary construction on OGT, and specifically SAT 1 and 2, since part of South C will need to be redesigned to accommodate.

drdisque · Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:23 pm

Air Wisconsin probably only makes up about 30% of existing UAX flights at ORD. Most of that flying will get backfield. This will have little effect on UA operations at T2 except maybe mainline will continue to use E throughout the winter (typically UA has usually only needed to put mainline on E in the summer)

scaledesigns · Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:12 am

Check the domestic pax numbers for June 2019 and 2022. ATL, DEN and CLT are just as good compared to ORD.

DFW

https://assets.ctfassets.net/m2p70vmwc0 ... Jun_19.pdf

https://assets.ctfassets.net/m2p70vmwc0 ... Report.pdf

ORD

https://www.flychicago.com/SiteCollecti ... UMMARY.pdf

https://www.flychicago.com/SiteCollecti ... UMMARY.pdf

atcsundevil · Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:28 pm

Please keep the thread on topic. This forum is for aviation discussion, not political opinions.

✈️ atcsundevil

gabik001 · Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:58 pm

JetOneX TF-AMJ as CC662 is on the way to ORD, ETA 4:35pm

gabik001 · Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:31 pm

I was passing by on Mannheim and saw Eurowings A332 D-AXGB standing on the T5 hardstand. Quick checked and seems like diversion from enroute SLC-FRA on Monday. Any info when she is gonna depart?

scaledesigns · Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:52 pm

gabik001 wrote:
I was passing by on Mannheim and saw Eurowings A332 D-AXGB standing on the T5 hardstand. Quick checked and seems like diversion from enroute SLC-FRA on Monday. Any info when she is gonna depart?

It made an emergency landing Monday night. It will leave when they finish repairs. The Alitalia 777 is also still sitting at the GRE. I see mechanics working on it now.

emcm541 · Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:12 am

With Delta vacating Terminal 2 later this year (September IIRC), any thoughts on what will happen to the Sky Club in Terminal 2? Would it make any sense for UA to expand their club into that space for the short time T2 remains online? Or, would it just become more general seating?

yeogeo · Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:27 pm

emcm541 wrote:
With Delta vacating Terminal 2 later this year (September IIRC), any thoughts on what will happen to the Sky Club in Terminal 2? Would it make any sense for UA to expand their club into that space for the short time T2 remains online? Or, would it just become more general seating?

It's a interesting question... I was wondering if Alaska would open an Alaska Lounge in that spot since they're moving to the upper E gates once Delta vacates.
I have my doubts about UA bothering with another United Club, having a rather large one on the floor above.

emcm541 · Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:39 pm

yeogeo wrote:
emcm541 wrote:
With Delta vacating Terminal 2 later this year (September IIRC), any thoughts on what will happen to the Sky Club in Terminal 2? Would it make any sense for UA to expand their club into that space for the short time T2 remains online? Or, would it just become more general seating?

It's a interesting question... I was wondering if Alaska would open an Alaska Lounge in that spot since they're moving to the upper E gates once Delta vacates.
I have my doubts about UA bothering with another United Club, having a rather large one on the floor above.

I always forget that Alaska is moving to T2 for the time being; that actually might be a good option, especially since they have really "ramped up" ORD, covid aside and relatively speaking, over the past few years. I've always wondered if Air Canada would open a Maple Leaf Lounge at ORD. Pre-covid, they had a very respectable operation that may have warranted a more pronounced presence. Walking through E yesterday, they are building back up as their Toronto and Montreal flights appeared full-ish at the gate area, but it's still not what it used to be on frequencies, I think. I'm also not sure if United allows AC passengers entry at their clubs or not.
That being said, T2 could probably benefit from just the extra open seating, with some nicer views that the old DL lounge offers. I just wonder how much window dressing anyone would want to do on a Terminal that will be torn down within the next 5-10 years.

freakyrat · Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:52 pm

Here is a link to an interesting article that just came out. ORD is the top Regional Jet Airport..

https://simpleflying.com/chicago-o-hare ... 1661186144

kordcj · Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:44 pm

Be interesting to see what ORD’s numbers look like as the CRJ-200s and E-145s go the way of the dodo. I’d imagine we will see our #1/#2 traffic movements status fall. Hope I’m wrong.

gabik001 · Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:36 am

Alitalia EI-DBM departed around 6pm tonight to AMM as EIDBM. It was like 30 mins when show up on the radar and taxi to departure from 28R.

gabik001 · Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:56 pm

D-AXGB was moved from T5 hardstand to GRE today around 11am.

schernov · Sat Aug 27, 2022 8:39 pm

Went thru T5 last night on EI (lands domestic)
Gates 1-10 were all empty. Almost seemed like they were blocked off. Jet bridges looked new - grey ones. Southwest was all parked in the middle section. Full house on the other side. We got M25. Upstairs departures was a zoo. One thing that always irritates me is lack of good signage at T5. Hopefully it gets addressed.
LHR has good signage. Two colors and you can always find your way. Carpet needs to go as well. Same with one way people movers - just takes up room and nobody uses it.
Downstairs arrival hall was quiet. And it seemed that they were working on something there. Train does run.

SRQLOT · Sun Aug 28, 2022 2:00 am

The way this summer has been with aviation, and a new job for me I have not risked flying this summer. Now the last 2 years I have been lucky in catching a domestic widebody on most of my flying to Chicago.

I finally got enough AA points saved up and booked my Chicago visit for January, but oh boy was it hard to find a widebody. I finally managed to get on the 787-8 to DFW. Looks like it’s the only daily one in January, I couldn’t find any for December. Is it really that weak with domestic widebodies to ORD?

drdisque · Sun Aug 28, 2022 2:11 am

SRQLOT wrote:
The way this summer has been with aviation, and a new job for me I have not risked flying this summer. Now the last 2 years I have been lucky in catching a domestic widebody on most of my flying to Chicago.

I finally got enough AA points saved up and booked my Chicago visit for January, but oh boy was it hard to find a widebody. I finally managed to get on the 787-8 to DFW. Looks like it’s the only daily one in January, I couldn’t find any for December. Is it really that weak with domestic widebodies to ORD?

UA flies mostly widebodies to DEN and SFO and some to LAX.

SRQLOT · Sun Aug 28, 2022 3:17 am

drdisque wrote:
SRQLOT wrote:
The way this summer has been with aviation, and a new job for me I have not risked flying this summer. Now the last 2 years I have been lucky in catching a domestic widebody on most of my flying to Chicago.

I finally got enough AA points saved up and booked my Chicago visit for January, but oh boy was it hard to find a widebody. I finally managed to get on the 787-8 to DFW. Looks like it’s the only daily one in January, I couldn’t find any for December. Is it really that weak with domestic widebodies to ORD?

UA flies mostly widebodies to DEN and SFO and some to LAX.

True, if only I had UA credit card, haha. Right now I’m not willing to spend on these high tickets. I’ll definitely have to start looking more at UA from SLC.

SRQLOT · Sun Aug 28, 2022 3:42 am

Just reading thru AA thread, and now it makes sense. With 777s going into maintenance this winter and I think I read that ORD is going to be only 787s at some point soon, and only now new 787s finally being delivered again. So there will still be a continued widebody shortage, it will be a lame winter at ORD for AA.

elbandgeek · Mon Aug 29, 2022 2:00 pm

schernov wrote:
Went thru T5 last night on EI (lands domestic)
Gates 1-10 were all empty. Almost seemed like they were blocked off. Jet bridges looked new - grey ones. Southwest was all parked in the middle section. Full house on the other side. We got M25. Upstairs departures was a zoo. One thing that always irritates me is lack of good signage at T5. Hopefully it gets addressed.
LHR has good signage. Two colors and you can always find your way. Carpet needs to go as well. Same with one way people movers - just takes up room and nobody uses it.
Downstairs arrival hall was quiet. And it seemed that they were working on something there. Train does run.

The low M gates are currently closed to finish up rennovations for DL to move in. They'll reopen along with the formal opening of the extension in a couple weeks.

yeogeo · Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:32 am

O'Hare 8/28/'22

https://twitter.com/fly2ohare/status/15 ... 71/photo/1

United787 · Tue Aug 30, 2022 11:40 am

yeogeo wrote:
O'Hare 8/28/'22

Wow, that is an amazing photo!

Planeboy17 · Tue Aug 30, 2022 2:34 pm

Finnair is pulling ORD from their W22 season. Last flights are October 29/30 and looks like they return in March.

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