West Coast Florida (TPA, PIE, SRQ, PGD, RSW, APF) Aviation Thread - 2022

deltadudejg · Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:28 am

FlyerTalkUserNa wrote:
Saw a C-146 Wolfhound show up on ADS-B Exchange out of TPA last night. It tracked along the coast to the NW like it was headed to Elgin, but I fell asleep and stopped following it. Anybody ever see one at TPA before?

I've seen them at both TPA and PIE, they usually shuffle "special/secretive" people around.

PI4EVR · Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:54 pm

Edelweiss resumed nonstop TPA-ZRH service on Wed 3/2 with 2x weekly frequency on an A340.

tjwgrr · Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:33 pm

IAHFLYR wrote:
BOE002 a B779 has been at RSW the last few days and maybe longer playing out in the Gulf between 30 and 100 miles west of Cape Coral and yesterday did some touch-n-goes at RSW. Will be there in a few days and hope to see the massive jet when we land.

The 779 has been at RSW since 14-Feb, and it also made an appearance there this past November. Other than maybe the 12000' runway, I wonder why Boeing chose RSW?
Maybe a nice beachfront condo on the Gulf for the crew, engineers, and technicians? :sun:

IAHFLYR · Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:11 pm

tjwgrr wrote:
The 779 has been at RSW since 14-Feb, and it also made an appearance there this past November. Other than maybe the 12000' runway, I wonder why Boeing chose RSW?
Maybe a nice beachfront condo on the Gulf for the crew, engineers, and technicians?

I'd go along with that theory, plus the fact they have a huge ramp away from just about everything on the old terminal ramp and a huge area just off the coast to play in. Also, we were having lunch in Naples and a guy sat down a few tables down from us in his Boeing hat and Boeing shirt so my guess is he is part of the crew. That bird is HUGE.

PennPal · Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:18 pm

The 779 was on the NE ramp at RSW two Sundays ago, along with another 777 without any logos and two Western Global MD-11's. Quite an impressive sight!!

phatfarmlines · Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:34 am

PI4EVR wrote:
Edelweiss resumed nonstop TPA-ZRH service on Wed 3/2 with 2x weekly frequency on an A340.

Current European flights from TPA (as of March 2022):

TPA-FRA (4Y):

4x weekly in March, moving up to summer schedule of 5x weekly in April. Operating Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Sunday

7:20 pm departure

TPA-ZRH (WK):

2x weekly, operating Wednesday and Friday

7:45 pm departure

TPA-LGW (BA):

5x weekly Sunday, Monday Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday

7:05 pm on Sundays, 7:25 pm on Mondays, 6:10 pm on Wednesdays, 4:55 pm on Thursdays and Saturdays

At most, two heavies on the ground at the same time at Airside F in the current term.

krsw757 · Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:06 pm

Breeze announced two new routes from RSW to LAS and CHS. Both flights appear to operate on Wed and Sat.

IAHFLYR · Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:13 pm

BOE002 was up doing touch-n-goes again this morning at RSW, landing around 1055 EST.

phatfarmlines · Wed Mar 09, 2022 5:50 pm

Tampa Airport social media accounts announcing nonstop TPA-CUN service on F9, starting on May 27th. Operating 3x weekly on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays.

airplanenut · Wed Mar 16, 2022 6:20 am

PennPal wrote:
The 779 was on the NE ramp at RSW two Sundays ago, along with another 777 without any logos and two Western Global MD-11's. Quite an impressive sight!!

Don’t forget the private 757 that was parked there, too

airplanenut · Wed Mar 16, 2022 6:24 am

tjwgrr wrote:
IAHFLYR wrote:
BOE002 a B779 has been at RSW the last few days and maybe longer playing out in the Gulf between 30 and 100 miles west of Cape Coral and yesterday did some touch-n-goes at RSW. Will be there in a few days and hope to see the massive jet when we land.

The 779 has been at RSW since 14-Feb, and it also made an appearance there this past November. Other than maybe the 12000' runway, I wonder why Boeing chose RSW?
Maybe a nice beachfront condo on the Gulf for the crew, engineers, and technicians?

I never saw the water from the ground in November and it took me two weeks to see a beach on this last go. If there was a beachfront condo, no one told us.

BoeingGuy · Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:00 am

tjwgrr wrote:
IAHFLYR wrote:
BOE002 a B779 has been at RSW the last few days and maybe longer playing out in the Gulf between 30 and 100 miles west of Cape Coral and yesterday did some touch-n-goes at RSW. Will be there in a few days and hope to see the massive jet when we land.

The 779 has been at RSW since 14-Feb, and it also made an appearance there this past November. Other than maybe the 12000' runway, I wonder why Boeing chose RSW?
Maybe a nice beachfront condo on the Gulf for the crew, engineers, and technicians?

They do some kind of engine testing at RSW last I heard. Not sure why RSW specifically, but the 777-9 has been there last year also.

crownvic · Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:03 am

PennPal wrote:
The 779 was on the NE ramp at RSW two Sundays ago, along with another 777 without any logos and two Western Global MD-11's. Quite an impressive sight!!

I was there last week and was shocked to see the 777-9 , it caught me totally off guard! The other all white 777 is the Crystal Cruiseline 777 recently ferried from San Bernardino to MIA to RSW

jfklganyc · Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:46 am

tjwgrr wrote:
IAHFLYR wrote:
BOE002 a B779 has been at RSW the last few days and maybe longer playing out in the Gulf between 30 and 100 miles west of Cape Coral and yesterday did some touch-n-goes at RSW. Will be there in a few days and hope to see the massive jet when we land.

The 779 has been at RSW since 14-Feb, and it also made an appearance there this past November. Other than maybe the 12000' runway, I wonder why Boeing chose RSW?
Maybe a nice beachfront condo on the Gulf for the crew, engineers, and technicians?

Cheap airport to operate out of.

Cargo carriers fly planes from Miami to park them in Fort Myers occasionally.

tjwgrr · Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:33 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
They do some kind of engine testing at RSW last I heard. Not sure why RSW specifically, but the 777-9 has been there last year also.

I have no idea, but I'm wondering if one of the things they might be testing is simulated engine out performance using the 12000 ft runway... just in case.

altairF28 · Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:23 pm

Bird, Bird, Bird, The Bird Is The Word!
https://news.tampaairport.com/giant-fla ... ces-at-tpa

FlyerTalkUserNa · Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:11 am

Excited to see the finished product. Also some interesting flight patterns at TPA today with the east-west runway getting heavy use. Assuming this was because of airfest closing the airspace around MacDill?

phatfarmlines · Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:47 am

FlyerTalkUserNa wrote:
Also some interesting flight patterns at TPA today with the east-west runway getting heavy use. Assuming this was because of airfest closing the airspace around MacDill?

Thursday (3/24/22) saw 28 in use for departures around midday; arrivals continued to use 19L/R (selected flights from FR24- there are additional flights beyond this list):

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 8#2b40e9fc

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 4#2b40fa41

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 4#2b40f327

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 3#2b40a7af

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 9#2b410b36

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 6#2b41164e

And the best part, a recording of the Captain Markovitch's travels on a flight that took off from 28:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVxsLCyyNeM

Source: YouTube user Captain Steven Markovitch

phatfarmlines · Fri Apr 01, 2022 1:08 pm

No April Fool's joke - lately NK has been spilling flights to Airside C between the mid-morning and post-noon hours.

Strange since they operate out of the A gates as normal during the morning and evening hours.

https://i.imgur.com/aF7BPa8.jpg

deltadudejg · Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:06 pm

phatfarmlines wrote:
No April Fool's joke - lately NK has been spilling flights to Airside C between the mid-morning and post-noon hours.

Strange since they operate out of the A gates as normal during the morning and evening hours.

https://i.imgur.com/aF7BPa8.jpg

It is a temporary move through Spring Break to relinquish some of the stress on the A-side checkpoint. Only a few select flights in the morning block get pushed over to AS-C

BTVB6Flyer · Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:16 pm

When I flew out of TPA Thursday, noticed 2 NK down/blocked for jetway removal or addition. One gateway was on the ground position. That’s when I noticed NK using C too.

SRQLOT · Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:06 am

Due to more of the ATC delays for flights northbound, this is per SRQ spotters on Facebook, 26 aircraft on the ground at one point in SRQ! The pics looked impressive, I guess yesterday there were 25 aircraft.

phatfarmlines · Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:09 pm

Finnair to operate A330 aircraft for Eurowings Discover on a wet-lease basis starting on May 15, 2022, FRA-TPA being one of the markets. Spotters get ready!

https://onemileatatime.com/news/eurowin ... ir-planes/

n92r03 · Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:28 pm

Anyone catch the Qatar A319/A320 that was parked at Signature last week? Also, the Omega DC-10 has been in town, looks like assisting thirsty aircraft off the coast of Ft Myers.

TPA had a lot of diversions from MCO on Friday Apr 15, Emirates 77W from Dubai was the rarest. Was on the ground for about 2 hours before heading to MCO.

BTVB6Flyer · Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:47 pm

Seeing Finnair at TPA for a bit will be unique! In the OAG posts, it looks like LH is taking back over for Eurowings soon, wonder if related to this or not.

Re diversions; saw TPA post about EK, that's always a fun one to get. We also got a LATAM 319 that looks like had the crew time out and stayed the night. Just getting us ready for diversion season

FlyerTalkUserNa · Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:09 am

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
it looks like LH is taking back over for Eurowings soon, wonder if related to this or not.

Could you please provide a link to this? Trying to find it via the search tool and I can’t. Thank you!

deltadudejg · Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:22 am

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Seeing Finnair at TPA for a bit will be unique! In the OAG posts, it looks like LH is taking back over for Eurowings soon, wonder if related to this or not.

Re diversions; saw TPA post about EK, that's always a fun one to get. We also got a LATAM 319 that looks like had the crew time out and stayed the night. Just getting us ready for diversion season

2nd the request to see the LH change. Wouldn't be surprised though, there were a few cancellations of that flight spread through the last few months due to lack of aircraft availability.

graham697 · Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:04 am

Interesting it’s returning to LH, but with little to no announcement… maybe it’s temporary?

phatfarmlines · Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:30 pm

TPA runway 1L/19R (west parallel) closed through early June for maintenance:

Major work on TPA’s west runway means possible temporary increase in noise for some neighborhoods

Source: TampaAirport.com

graham697 · Tue May 03, 2022 2:30 pm

Frontier is starting SJU, PUJ, SDQ, and MBJ from TPA.

https://www.facebook.com/FlyTPA/photos/ ... 748640626/

BTVB6Flyer · Tue May 03, 2022 4:06 pm

They in theory should do well, route wise, but it's Frontier so who knows.

SJU is daily, 2x weekly for MBJ and SDQ and 1x weekly for PUJ.

Surprised these came first before BOG or MEX

phatfarmlines · Thu May 05, 2022 12:18 am

graham697 wrote:
Frontier is starting SJU, PUJ, SDQ, and MBJ from TPA.

https://www.facebook.com/FlyTPA/photos/ ... 748640626/

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
They in theory should do well, route wise, but it's Frontier so who knows.

SJU is daily, 2x weekly for MBJ and SDQ and 1x weekly for PUJ.

I believe F9 previously flew TPA-SJU sometime in the 2018-2019 timeframe, non-daily frequency.

TPA-MBJ was last flown by NW on 727s and A320s back in the 90s through the early 2000s - likely 9/11 route casualties.

Nice to finally see DR service to both SDQ and PUJ.

BTVB6Flyer wrote:

Surprised these came first before BOG or MEX

F9 never flew to BOG, and was MEX a COVID casualty?

graham697 · Thu May 05, 2022 1:32 pm

I think he was surprised anyone is flying to the DR before service to BOG/MEX. I don't think we've had launched MEX service in decades.

phatfarmlines · Thu May 05, 2022 2:55 pm

graham697 wrote:
I think he was surprised anyone is flying to the DR before service to BOG/MEX. I don't think we've had launched MEX service in decades.

Sorry, I meant F9 closing MEX as a station, not that they operated TPA-MEX.

graham697 · Thu May 05, 2022 2:57 pm

phatfarmlines wrote:
graham697 wrote:
I think he was surprised anyone is flying to the DR before service to BOG/MEX. I don't think we've had launched MEX service in decades.

Sorry, I meant F9 closing MEX as a station, not that they operated TPA-MEX.

Ah no worries, yes I think it was... along with WN closing MEX.

FLYKTPA · Thu May 05, 2022 3:07 pm

graham697 wrote:
phatfarmlines wrote:
graham697 wrote:
I think he was surprised anyone is flying to the DR before service to BOG/MEX. I don't think we've had launched MEX service in decades.

Sorry, I meant F9 closing MEX as a station, not that they operated TPA-MEX.

Ah no worries, yes I think it was... along with WN closing MEX.

Alaska, JetBlue and Southwest are the airlines who closed MEX in the past few years. Frontier didn’t serve MEX.

FLYKTPA · Thu May 05, 2022 3:08 pm

Viva Colombia applied to operate BOG-TPA. Hopefully they follow through or Avianca’s new management decides to add TPA.

Michelly · Sat May 07, 2022 10:01 pm

What is up with the UAL schedule over the summer at SRQ? Down to one EWR turn? Nothing to ORD. It's never been that low since re-opening in 2017.

graham697 · Sun May 08, 2022 8:09 pm

Michelly wrote:
What is up with the UAL schedule over the summer at SRQ? Down to one EWR turn? Nothing to ORD. It's never been that low since re-opening in 2017.

They've been tweaking and really suffering from aircraft shortages.

EastCoastWing · Wed May 11, 2022 8:13 pm

Michelly wrote:
What is up with the UAL schedule over the summer at SRQ? Down to one EWR turn? Nothing to ORD. It's never been that low since re-opening in 2017.

It's huge drop from all the EWR, ORD, IAD, IAH and DEN flights from this past season and even compared with last summer. Staffing has been a huge issue at the station so the lull will give them some time to address that, hopefully.

phatfarmlines · Wed May 11, 2022 9:41 pm

LH metal is back at TPA. Did the Finnair wet lease deal fall through?

International Special Edition British Air Lufthansa Copa Cayman West Jet TPA

Source: YouTube user Captain Steven Markovitch

yyztpa2 · Wed May 11, 2022 10:31 pm

phatfarmlines wrote:
LH metal is back at TPA. Did the Finnair wet lease deal fall through?

International Special Edition British Air Lufthansa Copa Cayman West Jet TPA

Source: YouTube user Captain Steven Markovitch

Some test bookings on Lufthansa site show Lufthansa until around end of May but then reverting to Eurowings Discover, but operated by Finnair, at the beginning of June.

BTVB6Flyer · Thu May 12, 2022 12:43 am

Yeah should be LH for a hot minute, then back to Eurowings via Finnair for a little bit too. Kind of consuming for customers I would say.

Also RE: Breeze, a tad surprised they haven't expanded anything since launch, in fact have cut and reduced mostly. TPA compared to MCO and most of Florida is largely underserved from the routes they are trying to fly, cutting TUL and OKC or at least suspending it, doesn't seem right for what they are trying to do and achieve.

FLYKTPA · Thu May 19, 2022 10:37 pm

Air Transat is returning to TPA in December with a 2x weekly YUL nonstop via an A321.

AT last served TPA from 2018-2019 with YYZ and YUL each 1x weekly, then increasing to 2x weekly for the 2019 season.

Great to see them back! I’m hopeful AC and Westjet really boost their TPA schedules as Canada-Florida should be booming this winter.

Looks like RSW isn’t returning for them this winter.

BTVB6Flyer · Fri May 20, 2022 3:13 pm

^^

Nice! Hopefully they give it more of a chance this time and then expand to Quebec City and YYZ (again).

yyztpa2 · Fri May 20, 2022 4:52 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Yeah should be LH for a hot minute, then back to Eurowings via Finnair for a little bit too. Kind of consuming for customers I would say.

Also RE: Breeze, a tad surprised they haven't expanded anything since launch, in fact have cut and reduced mostly. TPA compared to MCO and most of Florida is largely underserved from the routes they are trying to fly, cutting TUL and OKC or at least suspending it, doesn't seem right for what they are trying to do and achieve.

Expanion by Breeze into a more regularly scheduled carrier is pretty well dictated by the timing for FAA certification for them to operate the A220-300. They have 4 sitting around the airfields and appear to have slowed delivery from Airbus while they wait for the certification.

FLYKTPA · Fri May 20, 2022 10:46 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
^^

Nice! Hopefully they give it more of a chance this time and then expand to Quebec City and YYZ (again).

Here’s TPA’s top Canadian markets for 2017/2018:

YYZ 294,000
YUL 53,000
YOW 40,000
YHZ 29,000
YVR 26,000
YYT 26,000
YYC 19,000
YWG 10,000
YEG 10,000
YQB 6,000
YQM 6,000

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en ... 2C20180101

Quebec City may be hard to justify. Although I’d love to see Flair give Air Canada some competition to Ottawa and Halifax.

phatfarmlines · Sat May 21, 2022 11:25 am

FLYKTPA wrote:
Air Transat is returning to TPA in December with a 2x weekly YUL nonstop via an A321.

AT last served TPA from 2018-2019 with YYZ and YUL each 1x weekly, then increasing to 2x weekly for the 2019 season.

Great to see them back! I’m hopeful AC and Westjet really boost their TPA schedules as Canada-Florida should be booming this winter.

Looks like RSW isn’t returning for them this winter.

Before that, TS's historical service to the Tampa Bay area was via PIE.

2travel2know2 · Sat May 21, 2022 2:19 pm

FLYKTPA wrote:
Viva Colombia applied to operate BOG-TPA. Hopefully they follow through or Avianca’s new management decides to add TPA.

For AV, BOG-TPA would make more sense than SAL-TPA, regardless if SAL happens to be its hub and nearer to TPA.
The other route AV should probably study might be SJO-TPA, as SJO is at par with leisure destinations from TPA like CUN, PUJ, MBJ.

AV to RSW? IMHO, CM will get to RSW before but RSW will have to work very very hard to attract CM, moreover whenever CM goes daily PTY-TPA.

FLYKTPA · Sat May 21, 2022 3:32 pm

2travel2know2 wrote:
FLYKTPA wrote:
Viva Colombia applied to operate BOG-TPA. Hopefully they follow through or Avianca’s new management decides to add TPA.
For AV, BOG-TPA would make more sense than SAL-TPA, regardless if SAL happens to be its hub and nearer to TPA.
The other route AV should probably study might be SJO-TPA, as SJO is at par with leisure destinations from TPA like CUN, PUJ, MBJ.

AV to RSW? IMHO, CM will get to RSW before but RSW will have to work very very hard to attract CM, moreover whenever CM goes daily PTY-TPA.

It’ll be BOG for AV that’s for sure. The TPA - SAL market is basically nonexistent. TPA has been asking AV for over a decade to add BOG and they won’t budge. Wouldn’t surprise me to see Viva beat them to it. SJO on Frontier wouldn’t surprise me 2x weekly if MBJ, SDQ and PUJ perform well. Happy to see Frontier give TPA - Caribbean a shot.

Can’t see RSW getting anything down south. There’s very little demand. They don’t appear to have the demographics to support it. SJU didn’t even work when Sun Country tried it. RSW attended the Routes Europe Conference this week. Would be interesting to know who they met with. The airport has mentioned a desire for London in the past.

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