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CMHtraveler wrote:Thank you DeltaRules as always for your excellent yearly introduction post for those who may be new to the thread.
I’ll leave CVG and the smaller airports to someone more knowledgeable, but here are my CMH hopes for 2022:
AA- BOS and seasonal CUN added in 2021 and resumed JFK. Nothing new planned as far as we know. Wishlist item: I hope they will bring back LAX at some point in 2022.
AC - YYZ returned in 2021. Nothing new planned currently. Wishlist item: YYZ goes at least 2x daily, seems likely at some point this summer.
AS - SEA went less than daily for winter. SEA 2x daily planned for summer 2022. Wishlist item: AS begins LAX with AA codeshare if AA doesn’t bring it back themselves, seems very unlikely as they serve very little east of the Mississippi from LAX.
DL - Formally cut seasonal CUN and SLC in 2021, returned to JFK and BOS. Wishlist item: Return of SLC, but seems unlikely unless business traffic rebounds unexpectedly.
F9 - Nothing added or cut in 2021. Announced the start of CUN and TPA in early 2022. Wishlist item: CUN sticks, good to see Mexico service more than 1x weekly.
MX - Started a host of routes in 2021. Cut ORF at least temporarily. Plans to start PBI in 2022. Wishlist item: Introduction of A220s brings at least one unserved west coast route such as SAN.
NK - began LAX and PNS. Plan to resume MSY in 2022. Wishlist item: Can’t ask for much more but maybe 2x to LAX this summer if no one else hops on the route?
WN - Returned DCA, HOU, and STL service in 2021. Big frequency increases planned for 2022 plus daily AUS in March. Wishlist item: Again, hard to envision much more but a return to OAK would be nice if UA doesn’t resume SFO.
UA - Added seasonal leisure routes like HHH, PWM, and RSW in 2021 Pushed back SFO repeatedly with a return in 2022 looking increasingly unlikely. Wishlist item: Bring back SFO. Also worth noting they experimented with mainline on many routes. Would be nice if IAH mainline stuck.
New entrants - B6 looks unlikely this coming year with AA adding BOS as part of the NEA. I Was convinced by quite a few posters on this thread that SY to MSP is a real possibility.
Have a wonderful new year everyone!
miaami wrote:Attn CMH spotters. A United Airlines 77W will bring the OSU team back to CMH on Jan 2 2022
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /KLAX/KCMH
miaami wrote:Attn CMH spotters. A United Airlines 77W will bring the OSU team back to CMH on Jan 2 2022
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /KLAX/KCMH
CMHtraveler wrote:Thanks miaami! Looks like If you arrive an hour early you can also catch a rare AC Dash 8 subbing in today for the usual CRJ on YYZ-CMH:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JZA ... /CYYZ/KCMH
CMHtraveler wrote:Thank you DeltaRules as always for your excellent yearly introduction post for those who may be new to the thread.
I’ll leave CVG and the smaller airports to someone more knowledgeable, but here are my CMH hopes for 2022:
AA- BOS and seasonal CUN added in 2021 and resumed JFK. Nothing new planned as far as we know. Wishlist item: I hope they will bring back LAX at some point in 2022.
AC - YYZ returned in 2021. Nothing new planned currently. Wishlist item: YYZ goes at least 2x daily, seems likely at some point this summer.
AS - SEA went less than daily for winter. SEA 2x daily planned for summer 2022. Wishlist item: AS begins LAX with AA codeshare if AA doesn’t bring it back themselves, seems very unlikely as they serve very little east of the Mississippi from LAX.
DL - Formally cut seasonal CUN and SLC in 2021, returned to JFK and BOS. Wishlist item: Return of SLC, but seems unlikely unless business traffic rebounds unexpectedly.
F9 - Nothing added or cut in 2021. Announced the start of CUN and TPA in early 2022. Wishlist item: CUN sticks, good to see Mexico service more than 1x weekly.
MX - Started a host of routes in 2021. Cut ORF at least temporarily. Plans to start PBI in 2022. Wishlist item: Introduction of A220s brings at least one unserved west coast route such as SAN.
NK - began LAX and PNS. Plan to resume MSY in 2022. Wishlist item: Can’t ask for much more but maybe 2x to LAX this summer if no one else hops on the route?
WN - Returned DCA, HOU, and STL service in 2021. Big frequency increases planned for 2022 plus daily AUS in March. Wishlist item: Again, hard to envision much more but a return to OAK would be nice if UA doesn’t resume SFO.
UA - Added seasonal leisure routes like HHH, PWM, and RSW in 2021 Pushed back SFO repeatedly with a return in 2022 looking increasingly unlikely. Wishlist item: Bring back SFO. Also worth noting they experimented with mainline on many routes. Would be nice if IAH mainline stuck.
New entrants - B6 looks unlikely this coming year with AA adding BOS as part of the NEA. I Was convinced by quite a few posters on this thread that SY to MSP is a real possibility.
Have a wonderful new year everyone!
DeltaRules wrote:Welcome to the 2022 regional thread for aviation in Ohio (except CLE- more on that later). This is sixth "annual" thread we've had where we've been able to have an ongoing regional hub for the Buckeye State and I'd like to thank everyone for continuing to keep these going and active.
The reason we don't specifically include CLE in this series of threads is they've long had their own discussion (and, if memory serves, theirs came first and this was a response/supplement to that for the other airports). The newest CLE thread isn't up as of the time of this post, but if you'd like to chat CLE here, however, feel free!
flyCMH wrote:CMHtraveler wrote:Thank you DeltaRules as always for your excellent yearly introduction post for those who may be new to the thread.
I’ll leave CVG and the smaller airports to someone more knowledgeable, but here are my CMH hopes for 2022:
AA- BOS and seasonal CUN added in 2021 and resumed JFK. Nothing new planned as far as we know. Wishlist item: I hope they will bring back LAX at some point in 2022.
AC - YYZ returned in 2021. Nothing new planned currently. Wishlist item: YYZ goes at least 2x daily, seems likely at some point this summer.
AS - SEA went less than daily for winter. SEA 2x daily planned for summer 2022. Wishlist item: AS begins LAX with AA codeshare if AA doesn’t bring it back themselves, seems very unlikely as they serve very little east of the Mississippi from LAX.
DL - Formally cut seasonal CUN and SLC in 2021, returned to JFK and BOS. Wishlist item: Return of SLC, but seems unlikely unless business traffic rebounds unexpectedly.
F9 - Nothing added or cut in 2021. Announced the start of CUN and TPA in early 2022. Wishlist item: CUN sticks, good to see Mexico service more than 1x weekly.
MX - Started a host of routes in 2021. Cut ORF at least temporarily. Plans to start PBI in 2022. Wishlist item: Introduction of A220s brings at least one unserved west coast route such as SAN.
NK - began LAX and PNS. Plan to resume MSY in 2022. Wishlist item: Can’t ask for much more but maybe 2x to LAX this summer if no one else hops on the route?
WN - Returned DCA, HOU, and STL service in 2021. Big frequency increases planned for 2022 plus daily AUS in March. Wishlist item: Again, hard to envision much more but a return to OAK would be nice if UA doesn’t resume SFO.
UA - Added seasonal leisure routes like HHH, PWM, and RSW in 2021 Pushed back SFO repeatedly with a return in 2022 looking increasingly unlikely. Wishlist item: Bring back SFO. Also worth noting they experimented with mainline on many routes. Would be nice if IAH mainline stuck.
New entrants - B6 looks unlikely this coming year with AA adding BOS as part of the NEA. I Was convinced by quite a few posters on this thread that SY to MSP is a real possibility.
Have a wonderful new year everyone!
DeltaRules wrote:DAY-
-UA- Not sure a whole lot can happen here unless they'd re-add IAH.
cledaybuck wrote:DeltaRules wrote:DAY-
-UA- Not sure a whole lot can happen here unless they'd re-add IAH.
Resume DEN.
CMHARJ wrote:With Allegiant slowly entering primary airport markets, they are flying out of both IWA and PHX, do you think they will ever move their operations over to CMH instead of staying at LCK?
CMHtraveler wrote:CMHARJ wrote:With Allegiant slowly entering primary airport markets, they are flying out of both IWA and PHX, do you think they will ever move their operations over to CMH instead of staying at LCK?
This sort of falls into the category of “if it ain’t broke”… They seem to have found quite a nice little niche. According to the last available CRAA stats covering Q1-Q3 of 2021, G4 carried only 4% fewer passengers out of LCK than in the same period in 2019, much better than most airlines at CMH.
Anecdotally, the folks I know who use G4 regularly, primarily as a family vacation shuttle to Florida, cite the ease of using LCK as a major reason. I’m not sure what CMH would get them except less differentiation from competitors, higher fees, and more of a headache for their passengers.
ChasChandler wrote:Did anyone see this? An article in the Plain Dealer about the proposed massive computer chip facility which may be coming to New Albany. In the article, New Albany City Manager Joseph Stefanov replied when asked "There are a lot of rumors out there. I've heard rumors about an airport. We're not interested in an airport." Has anyone heard through the rumor mill about a airport going in around New Albany? I'm not suggesting it would be a CMH type airport, but maybe a Don Scott Field level airport to meet potential demand for New Albany's growing tech sector.
https://www.cleveland.com/open/2022/01/ ... utType=amp
CMHtraveler wrote:Cross post from the Breeze thread, simpleflying has suggested that CMH-SAN and CMH-PDX could be amongst potential MX A220 routes. I have no idea if this is based on anything other than looking at long thin unserved routes from MX cities, but I would not complain about these adds at all if they came to fruition. So much more useful than more Florida.
https://simpleflying.com/breeze-airways-plans/
brooklynchris13 wrote:Regarding the New Albany development, there is no airport as part of the effort. That was just a guessing game on the part of locals trying to figure out why New Albany was going to potentially annex such a large tract of land.
brooklynchris13 wrote:Regarding the New Albany development, there is no airport as part of the effort. That was just a guessing game on the part of locals trying to figure out why New Albany was going to potentially annex such a large tract of land. This is an extremely exciting opportunity for the entire state and especially central ohio. Time will tell, however, what (if anything) comes to fruition.
ncflyer wrote:It's fairly inevitable that CMH will be the biggest metro area in Ohio in a generation or so but this announcement really cements it. 10,000 direct jobs, 100,000 indirect jobs (those indirect jobs may be spread outside of Columbus, I don't know). $100B construction (can that possibly be? wow! and I thought $1B was a lot for an airport!) So lots of possibilities for airport growth. . . but AS why is it that EVERYONE talks about AS to west coast cities beyond SEA, whether it's the PIT thread, Indy, it doesn't matter. They are a small niche airline. Wouldn't the air traffic be largely to Phoenix, Intel's HQ city-- already well served from CMH but definitely room for more .
ncflyer wrote:Wouldn't the air traffic be largely to Phoenix, Intel's HQ city-- already well served from CMH but definitely room for more .
ncflyer wrote:Yes Santa Clara it is my bad. Tons of MFG in phoenix area so that will lead to some travel.
I think at a minimum CMH will get more dependable year round SFO service on UA. SJC or AS growth Can’t see that. Over under on what year CMH passes PIT and CLE for pax? It’s coming question is when.
ncflyer wrote:When Intel is up and running with 3000 employees, how many of those will be management/travel level (but not senior enough to travel on a corporate jet) and of those that are executives, how many will need to go to PDX or SJC routinely? My bet is 300 and fewer than 20 on a weekly basis, and that's factoring in folks coming in the other direction too.. Do you agree?
NoTime wrote:ncflyer wrote:When Intel is up and running with 3000 employees, how many of those will be management/travel level (but not senior enough to travel on a corporate jet) and of those that are executives, how many will need to go to PDX or SJC routinely? My bet is 300 and fewer than 20 on a weekly basis, and that's factoring in folks coming in the other direction too.. Do you agree?
Not sure about the numbers, but it seems like you're insinuating (and I agree) that there isn't going to magically be some huge increase in air travel as a result. Perhaps a couple of new flights/frequencies to Cali... maybe some increase load to/from PDX/PHX... and that's probably about it.
NoTime wrote:ncflyer wrote:When Intel is up and running with 3000 employees, how many of those will be management/travel level (but not senior enough to travel on a corporate jet) and of those that are executives, how many will need to go to PDX or SJC routinely? My bet is 300 and fewer than 20 on a weekly basis, and that's factoring in folks coming in the other direction too.. Do you agree?
Not sure about the numbers, but it seems like you're insinuating (and I agree) that there isn't going to magically be some huge increase in air travel as a result. Perhaps a couple of new flights/frequencies to Cali... maybe some increase load to/from PDX/PHX... and that's probably about it.
CMHtraveler wrote:Breeze has extended their schedule through September with the following changes for CMH beginning in May:
- CHS goes from 2x to 4x weekly
- BDL goes from 4x to 3x weekly
- MSY goes from 2x to 1x weekly
- ORF goes from 2x to 3x weekly
- TPA appears to be cut
- PBI remains at 1x weekly
No surprise at all about TPA, with F9, NK, WN, and G4 (PIE) also on the route. On the flipside CAK gets upguaged to the A220 on TPA. MSY is disappointing as it’s a weekend destination; who wants to do a Saturday only on MX? Seems like the prelude to being cut completely which makes me hope NK resumes MSY sooner rather than later. CHS increase makes sense given where Ohioans like to escape in the summer months, and I have to say ORF is a pleasant surprise. I’m also assuming we may see more MX announcements as the A220s become available.
flyCMH wrote:CMHtraveler wrote:Breeze has extended their schedule through September with the following changes for CMH beginning in May:
- CHS goes from 2x to 4x weekly
- BDL goes from 4x to 3x weekly
- MSY goes from 2x to 1x weekly
- ORF goes from 2x to 3x weekly
- TPA appears to be cut
- PBI remains at 1x weekly
No surprise at all about TPA, with F9, NK, WN, and G4 (PIE) also on the route. On the flipside CAK gets upguaged to the A220 on TPA. MSY is disappointing as it’s a weekend destination; who wants to do a Saturday only on MX? Seems like the prelude to being cut completely which makes me hope NK resumes MSY sooner rather than later. CHS increase makes sense given where Ohioans like to escape in the summer months, and I have to say ORF is a pleasant surprise. I’m also assuming we may see more MX announcements as the A220s become available.
Thanks for the summary of changes. Also a bit disappointed to see MSY reduced. I figured that route would be one to see some more flights going into the summer. The BDL-CMH-ORF-CMH-BDL run goes to an A220 in June, according to the seat map. My guess is this will be temporary until the A220 launches on routes that are more suited to its capabilities. That being said, I would have figured CMH-CHS would see an A220 before CMH-BDL/ORF.
DeltaRules wrote:flyCMH wrote:CMHtraveler wrote:Breeze has extended their schedule through September with the following changes for CMH beginning in May:
- CHS goes from 2x to 4x weekly
- BDL goes from 4x to 3x weekly
- MSY goes from 2x to 1x weekly
- ORF goes from 2x to 3x weekly
- TPA appears to be cut
- PBI remains at 1x weekly
No surprise at all about TPA, with F9, NK, WN, and G4 (PIE) also on the route. On the flipside CAK gets upguaged to the A220 on TPA. MSY is disappointing as it’s a weekend destination; who wants to do a Saturday only on MX? Seems like the prelude to being cut completely which makes me hope NK resumes MSY sooner rather than later. CHS increase makes sense given where Ohioans like to escape in the summer months, and I have to say ORF is a pleasant surprise. I’m also assuming we may see more MX announcements as the A220s become available.
Thanks for the summary of changes. Also a bit disappointed to see MSY reduced. I figured that route would be one to see some more flights going into the summer. The BDL-CMH-ORF-CMH-BDL run goes to an A220 in June, according to the seat map. My guess is this will be temporary until the A220 launches on routes that are more suited to its capabilities. That being said, I would have figured CMH-CHS would see an A220 before CMH-BDL/ORF.
NK's CMH-MSY returns 3x/week in February.
DeltaRules wrote:I may have to do a quick out and back to ORF to try out the A220.
NoTime wrote:On an unrelated note - I saw that Northern Pacific unveiled their livery yesterday. If all goes according to plan, they hope to be flying by the end of the year. (For those that don't know, they plan to try an Iceland Air model, but instead of serving US - Europe with stops in KEF, they'll be serving US - Asia with stops at ANC.) They're using 757-200's, so that opens up most (all?) of the US.
Considering Ohio's Asian-American population, and especially central Ohio's Japanese population, what are the chances that CMH could get a 2x or 3x weekly route to ANC?
ncflyer wrote:I don't get all this talk on the midwestern threads about west coast as a connecting point to Asia. For the most popular Asian cities Tokyo Taipei Beijing Seoul Shanghai Honk Kong , it saves hours to change in ORD/IAD/DTW/EWR/MSP and fly the polar route. Backtracking to ATL and DFW may even be a time savings over west coast, I'm not sure. OK I get that there are some cities only served from the west coast. What market are you feeling could be served by one stop service that isn't already (at least in non-COVID times?)
BangersAndMash wrote:ncflyer wrote:I don't get all this talk on the midwestern threads about west coast as a connecting point to Asia. For the most popular Asian cities Tokyo Taipei Beijing Seoul Shanghai Honk Kong , it saves hours to change in ORD/IAD/DTW/EWR/MSP and fly the polar route. Backtracking to ATL and DFW may even be a time savings over west coast, I'm not sure. OK I get that there are some cities only served from the west coast. What market are you feeling could be served by one stop service that isn't already (at least in non-COVID times?)
Well, while your geography is faultless, Sir the West Coast still makes sense
1. it (well LAX and SFO anyway) gives you access to more points in Asia and the South Pacific with 1 connection
2. on the bigger cities, you have a plethora of carriers flying multiple times a day so better schedule
3. because of 2, it's often quite a bit cheaper
Which is also why Northern Pacific is going to crash and burn. Slightly cheaper and slightly quicker, if you're lucky, but a lot less comfortable is not a winning proposition.