Lufthansa Group News and Discussion Thread - 2022

airsmiles · Mon May 16, 2022 6:56 pm

Opus99 wrote:
https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/1526261142489661440?s=21&t=DbE7wov60qv8W6tjIXEpuQ

First LH 787 fully painted

Fully painted is stretching the point a bit. It basically just the tail that needed any effort.

Opus99 · Mon May 16, 2022 7:29 pm

airsmiles wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/1526261142489661440?s=21&t=DbE7wov60qv8W6tjIXEpuQ

First LH 787 fully painted

Fully painted is stretching the point a bit. It basically just the tail that needed any effort.

Well, I guess in its full livery

Blerg · Tue May 17, 2022 6:31 am

The 787 would have looked much better with the old livery.

Ndebele · Tue May 17, 2022 9:51 am

Blerg wrote:
The 787 would have looked much better with the old livery.

*Any* aircraft would have looked much better with the old livery.

JerseyFlyer · Thu May 19, 2022 11:02 am

More noise about 350s from Aeroflot order and -1000s from Qatar order:

"According to sources, Lufthansa is working on later A350-900s from the Aeroflot lot. The group is also considering moving up for some A350-1000s that Qatar Airways has rejected. The delivery disruptions to Aeroflot and Qatar Airways are putting into question a planned resumption of A350 production to six aircraft per month in 2023."

https://www.aero.de/news-42646/Turkish- ... -A350.html

columba · Thu May 19, 2022 2:03 pm

Better picture of the first new Lufthansa Boeing since the 747:
https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/statu ... 4xKmdPNrPQ

LAXintl · Wed May 25, 2022 5:21 pm

As proposed earlier in the year, Lufthansa has now registered its new subsidiary, Flugverkehrsbetrieb Munchen GmbH aka "Cityline 2", with plans to receive AOC and start operations by summer 2023.
The operation reportedly plans a fleet of about 40 aircraft in A320 family.

https://www.fvw.de/international/travel ... crefresh=1

InnsbruckFlyer · Wed May 25, 2022 5:43 pm

LAXintl wrote:
As proposed earlier in the year, Lufthansa has now registered its new subsidiary, Flugverkehrsbetrieb Munchen GmbH aka "Cityline 2", with plans to receive AOC and start operations by summer 2023.
The operation reportedly plans a fleet of about 40 aircraft in A320 family.

https://www.fvw.de/international/travel ... crefresh=1

Is Lufthansa's management constantly stoned? First Ocean, which I still can't differentiate from normal Eurowings, then LH Cargo operated by LH CityLine, and now this?? What's going on??

DUSZRH · Wed May 25, 2022 5:57 pm

They found a loophole that for a new company/AOC the restrictions in their pilot contract doesn’t apply. So a new AOC but this time with LH branding. But apparently better working conditions than at 4Y.

FatCat · Thu May 26, 2022 10:19 am

Maybe they need a Company that invoices services / lease / salaries to the main one. Or they have some kind of Gov't ease from taxes for the first years.

Nicoeddf · Thu May 26, 2022 10:43 am

FatCat wrote:
Maybe they need a Company that invoices services / lease / salaries to the main one. Or they have some kind of Gov't ease from taxes for the first years.

Tax ease for founding a company within the largest European airline group? Doubtful…

It is simply to strengthen their own hand of cards against the pilots union.

jcm165 · Tue May 31, 2022 6:08 pm

I have not seen this posted yet. It seems LH group will not allow free seat selection for the Economy Light fares anymore.

Article only found in german so far

https://www.aero.de/news-42714/Keine-ko ... ckets.html

Jshank83 · Tue May 31, 2022 7:15 pm

jcm165 wrote:
I have not seen this posted yet. It seems LH group will not allow free seat selection for the Economy Light fares anymore.

Article only found in german so far

https://www.aero.de/news-42714/Keine-ko ... ckets.html

They don't on any economy, they don't even have free seat selection in Premium economy.

runway23 · Tue May 31, 2022 7:24 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
jcm165 wrote:
I have not seen this posted yet. It seems LH group will not allow free seat selection for the Economy Light fares anymore.

Article only found in german so far

https://www.aero.de/news-42714/Keine-ko ... ckets.html

They don't on any economy, they don't even have free seat selection in Premium economy.

What is changing is that if you have an eco light fare you can't change your seat at all without paying, including during online check-in. You used to be able to select seats (for free) at that point.

It's only a matter of time until LH goes on to restrict hand luggage on eco-light fares.

atcsundevil · Tue May 31, 2022 7:51 pm

jcm165 wrote:
I have not seen this posted yet. It seems LH group will not allow free seat selection for the Economy Light fares anymore.

Article only found in german so far

https://www.aero.de/news-42714/Keine-ko ... ckets.html

More details with an English link.

https://onemileatatime.com/news/lufthan ... signments/

ikolkyo · Tue May 31, 2022 8:19 pm

This Basic Economy/Economy Light trend is so wack.

LAX772LR · Fri Jun 03, 2022 5:24 am

Any pics of the LH inauguration of STL?

Blerg · Fri Jun 03, 2022 6:43 am

To me it seems like Lufthansa is spinning out of control with all these extra charges as well as product deterioration. I don't think it will end well for them because they don't have low costs to match these moves with low(er) fares. It won't end well for them especially with AF, KL, BA... not following them.

InnsbruckFlyer · Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:29 am

Blerg wrote:
To me it seems like Lufthansa is spinning out of control with all these extra charges as well as product deterioration. I don't think it will end well for them because they don't have low costs to match these moves with low(er) fares. It won't end well for them especially with AF, KL, BA... not following them.

Not to mention direct competition from Condor with their fantastic new A339s. Hopefully LH will wake up and smell the coffee real soon and replace their management team.

pmanni1 · Fri Jun 03, 2022 1:05 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Any pics of the LH inauguration of STL?

In the STL thread.

na · Fri Jun 03, 2022 1:20 pm

Quite surprisingly LH is holding back repaints of their fleet flagship. The 747-8 has the lowest percentage of aircraft in the new livery. Its still only D-ABYA, the plane which was used to introduce the current design more than 4 years ago, which carries the new look, and that in the short-lived almost-black blue paint used for the first few months of course. The next repaints have been scheduled for 2023. Beside D-ABYA, 3 more 748s will complete 10 years service this year. It seems, the original paint coat of Boeing is of a very good quality!

zkojq · Sat Jun 04, 2022 10:15 am

The first A320 with Sharklets (HB-JLT) has been transferred from Swiss to Edelweiss. It's also been painted into a special livery:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/183120664 ... 115602567/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ibirdball/52107274877/

CDGIAD · Sat Jun 04, 2022 1:25 pm

zkojq wrote:
The first A320 with Sharklets (HB-JLT) has been transferred from Swiss to Edelweiss. It's also been painted into a special livery:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/183120664 ... 115602567/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ibirdball/52107274877/

This special livery is awful, makes me think of someone who was stabbed and is trying to escape with his/her hands covered in blood.

Blerg · Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:22 pm

zkojq wrote:
The first A320 with Sharklets (HB-JLT) has been transferred from Swiss to Edelweiss. It's also been painted into a special livery:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/183120664 ... 115602567/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ibirdball/52107274877/

Looks like a bird strike.

zkojq · Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:44 am

Airbus A320neo D-AINY 'Lingen' is 'Lovehansa' for the next six months:

Time to color the air!
Welcome our new special livery: Lovehansa. ❤️ On the occasion of #PrideMonth , the #Airbus A320neo D-AINY will fly with a special rainbow design for the next six months. Today the D-AINY will take off to Billund. #lovehansa #WeAreLufthansa

https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/statu ... 2388530177

santi319 · Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:09 am

zkojq wrote:
Airbus A320neo D-AINY 'Lingen' is 'Lovehansa' for the next six months:

Time to color the air!
Welcome our new special livery: Lovehansa. ❤️ On the occasion of #PrideMonth , the #Airbus A320neo D-AINY will fly with a special rainbow design for the next six months. Today the D-AINY will take off to Billund. #lovehansa #WeAreLufthansa

https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/statu ... 2388530177

Love this!

airsmiles · Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:14 am

They might be easier to love if they didn’t have such bland and unforgettable livery. Long gone are the when passengers could recognise a Lufthansa aircraft from the other side of the airport.

Nicoeddf · Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:01 pm

airsmiles wrote:
They might be easier to love if they didn’t have such bland and unforgettable livery. Long gone are the when passengers could recognise a Lufthansa aircraft from the other side of the airport.

Absolutely! Stopped flying with them since they changed their livery. Want to fly in recognisable planes.

54678264582 · Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:11 pm

Nicoeddf wrote:
airsmiles wrote:
They might be easier to love if they didn’t have such bland and unforgettable livery. Long gone are the when passengers could recognise a Lufthansa aircraft from the other side of the airport.

Absolutely! Stopped flying with them since they changed their livery. Want to fly in recognisable planes.

You're joking right? Lol

PM · Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:16 pm

Nicoeddf wrote:
airsmiles wrote:
They might be easier to love if they didn’t have such bland and unforgettable livery. Long gone are the when passengers could recognise a Lufthansa aircraft from the other side of the airport.

Absolutely! Stopped flying with them since they changed their livery. Want to fly in recognisable planes.

What nonsense.

Between 1991 and last month I've done almost 100 flights on LH to the USA, Japan, India, South Africa and, of course, multiple flights within Europe. OK, their C-class product on long-haul is past its sell-by date but they are by far my preferred carrier within Europe.

Not to fly because of the livery?

Seriously?

CDGIAD · Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:23 pm

zkojq wrote:
Airbus A320neo D-AINY 'Lingen' is 'Lovehansa' for the next six months:

Time to color the air!
Welcome our new special livery: Lovehansa. ❤️ On the occasion of #PrideMonth , the #Airbus A320neo D-AINY will fly with a special rainbow design for the next six months. Today the D-AINY will take off to Billund. #lovehansa #WeAreLufthansa

https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/statu ... 2388530177

Let's see if LH is brave enough to fly it to AMM, CAI, TBS, ISL or other countries where LGBT really have issues.
If this A320 is only going to fly in Western Europe, then as a gay myself, I find this rainbow washing useless.

PM · Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:45 pm

CDGIAD wrote:
zkojq wrote:
Airbus A320neo D-AINY 'Lingen' is 'Lovehansa' for the next six months:

Time to color the air!
Welcome our new special livery: Lovehansa. ❤️ On the occasion of #PrideMonth , the #Airbus A320neo D-AINY will fly with a special rainbow design for the next six months. Today the D-AINY will take off to Billund. #lovehansa #WeAreLufthansa

https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/statu ... 2388530177

Let's see if LH is brave enough to fly it to AMM, CAI, TBS, ISL or other countries where LGBT really have issues.
If this A320 is only going to fly in Western Europe, then as a gay myself, I find this rainbow washing useless.

Every statement helps.

MoonC · Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:49 pm

CDGIAD wrote:
zkojq wrote:
Airbus A320neo D-AINY 'Lingen' is 'Lovehansa' for the next six months:

Time to color the air!
Welcome our new special livery: Lovehansa. ❤️ On the occasion of #PrideMonth , the #Airbus A320neo D-AINY will fly with a special rainbow design for the next six months. Today the D-AINY will take off to Billund. #lovehansa #WeAreLufthansa

https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/statu ... 2388530177

Let's see if LH is brave enough to fly it to AMM, CAI, TBS, ISL or other countries where LGBT really have issues.
If this A320 is only going to fly in Western Europe, then as a gay myself, I find this rainbow washing useless.

Why would it not fly to said destinations or others, and what difference does it make anyway? A silly livery on a plane is not going to change perceptions, for the better or the worst, and no one is on the look out for it anyway.

airsmiles · Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:22 pm

PM wrote:
Nicoeddf wrote:
airsmiles wrote:
They might be easier to love if they didn’t have such bland and unforgettable livery. Long gone are the when passengers could recognise a Lufthansa aircraft from the other side of the airport.

Absolutely! Stopped flying with them since they changed their livery. Want to fly in recognisable planes.

What nonsense.

Between 1991 and last month I've done almost 100 flights on LH to the USA, Japan, India, South Africa and, of course, multiple flights within Europe. OK, their C-class product on long-haul is past its sell-by date but they are by far my preferred carrier within Europe.

Not to fly because of the livery?

Seriously?

I don’t see why passengers can’t choose an airline based upon preference. If you have a choice of airlines on a planned route, what’s the problem?

ikolkyo · Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:32 pm

PM wrote:
Nicoeddf wrote:
airsmiles wrote:
They might be easier to love if they didn’t have such bland and unforgettable livery. Long gone are the when passengers could recognise a Lufthansa aircraft from the other side of the airport.

Absolutely! Stopped flying with them since they changed their livery. Want to fly in recognisable planes.

What nonsense.

Between 1991 and last month I've done almost 100 flights on LH to the USA, Japan, India, South Africa and, of course, multiple flights within Europe. OK, their C-class product on long-haul is past its sell-by date but they are by far my preferred carrier within Europe.

Not to fly because of the livery?

Seriously?

I believe Nicoleddf was having a go at airsmiles. If not then carryon.

Nicoeddf · Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:42 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
PM wrote:
Nicoeddf wrote:

Absolutely! Stopped flying with them since they changed their livery. Want to fly in recognisable planes.

What nonsense.

Between 1991 and last month I've done almost 100 flights on LH to the USA, Japan, India, South Africa and, of course, multiple flights within Europe. OK, their C-class product on long-haul is past its sell-by date but they are by far my preferred carrier within Europe.

Not to fly because of the livery?

Seriously?

I believe Nicoleddf was having a go at airsmiles. If not then carryon.

Yes I was allowing myself a little sarcasm. I find this talk about how liveries of yesteryear and of the good old time and whatnot tiring.

FlyHPN · Sun Jun 12, 2022 12:54 am

MoonC wrote:
CDGIAD wrote:
zkojq wrote:
Airbus A320neo D-AINY 'Lingen' is 'Lovehansa' for the next six months:

https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/statu ... 2388530177

Let's see if LH is brave enough to fly it to AMM, CAI, TBS, ISL or other countries where LGBT really have issues.
If this A320 is only going to fly in Western Europe, then as a gay myself, I find this rainbow washing useless.

Why would it not fly to said destinations or others, and what difference does it make anyway? A silly livery on a plane is not going to change perceptions, for the better or the worst, and no one is on the look out for it anyway.

Without making this political, we’d like to think that but companies don’t want to make waves.

https://mexicodailypost.com/2021/06/05/ ... ssion/?amp

https://fortune.com/2022/06/02/bmw-prid ... ddle-east/

mercure1 · Sun Jun 12, 2022 3:50 am

Brussels Airlines pilots file strike notice.

Cabin crew may also file strike notice in coming weeks.

Potential strike dates unknown, but could be late June - early July based on notice timing

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... otice/amp/

CDGIAD · Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:40 am

FlyHPN wrote:
MoonC wrote:
CDGIAD wrote:

Let's see if LH is brave enough to fly it to AMM, CAI, TBS, ISL or other countries where LGBT really have issues.
If this A320 is only going to fly in Western Europe, then as a gay myself, I find this rainbow washing useless.

Why would it not fly to said destinations or others, and what difference does it make anyway? A silly livery on a plane is not going to change perceptions, for the better or the worst, and no one is on the look out for it anyway.

Without making this political, we’d like to think that but companies don’t want to make waves.

https://mexicodailypost.com/2021/06/05/ ... ssion/?amp

https://fortune.com/2022/06/02/bmw-prid ... ddle-east/

Yep, not surprised, easy publicity aimed at conformist Instagramers who will applause LH for doing that and then fly the UAE or Qatar on vacation.

At least LH will have an easier time proving themselves as Lovehansa vs, 5 Star Hansa given their recent decision to charge for seat change after going to BoB.

Heavierthanair · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:24 pm

https://www.aero.de/news-42805/Lufthansa-prueft-Reaktivierung-der-A380.html

In an apparent change of policy Lufthansa seems to be considering to return 4 or 8 of the presently stored A380's to service for primarily transatlantic destinations.

As an alternative they may take up Boeings offer for 6 whitetail 777-300's to increase capacity. They must come at very low cost, else who on earth would buy B777-300 ER's in this day and age when others are replacing them with modern aircraft. :banghead:

I guess the Qatar NTU A350-1000's which would also be available short term are not priced attractive enough for Lufthansa :crazy:

jbs2886 · Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:50 pm

Heavierthanair wrote:
https://www.aero.de/news-42805/Lufthansa-prueft-Reaktivierung-der-A380.html

In an apparent change of policy Lufthansa seems to be considering to return 4 or 8 of the presently stored A380's to service for primarily transatlantic destinations.

As an alternative they may take up Boeings offer for 6 whitetail 777-300's to increase capacity. They must come at very low cost, else who on earth would buy B777-300 ER's in this day and age when others are replacing them with modern aircraft.

I guess the Qatar NTU A350-1000's which would also be available short term are not priced attractive enough for Lufthansa

I assume you also will do the bang head emoji for bringing back an inefficient A380? What about keeping around those A340s?

This is suspect as there aren’t 4-6 777-300ER white tails. IIRC 1-2.

Ronaldo747 · Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:05 pm

77W is still more efficient than the A380 today if you don't get a full cabin on the Whale Jet. Reactivating the A380 from deep storage takes 8-10 weeks, they would be back at the very end of the summer season at the earliest. So this is useless and not realistic.

It would be much easier to lease capacity from other carriers in trouble because of the Ukraine crisis. LH could take some A350s, A330s from Finnair, also A350s from SAS and A330s from TAP for example for shorttime lease.

stylo777 · Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:43 pm

according to Boeing website, the only "unfilled orders" for the 77W are 5x from PIA and 1x UIC: https://www.boeing.com/commercial/#/orders-deliveries
not sure if those have been produced though.

caverunner17 · Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:45 pm

Blerg wrote:
To me it seems like Lufthansa is spinning out of control with all these extra charges as well as product deterioration. I don't think it will end well for them because they don't have low costs to match these moves with low(er) fares. It won't end well for them especially with AF, KL, BA... not following them.

Agreed - I was not impressed with our DEN-MUC / FRA-DEN this month in economy. The A359 hard product was good, but food was tasteless pasta as the only option with small portions, and the buy-on-board snack wasn't even available on the FRA-DEN flight yesterday.

It's been 4.5 years since I've flown long haul (with a bunch of flights between 2012-17), but I remember having a choice of chicken or pasta, free mid-flight snacks available in the galley, and a warm breakfast wrap/sandwich before landing besides some cold cheese sandwich on various airlines.

Off topic: Anyone know what happened to LH480 yesterday? Saw it diverted way south of Denver to CO Springs, then flew back a few hours later and circled for awhile before finally landing at DEN.

Jshank83 · Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:59 pm

caverunner17 wrote:
Off topic: Anyone know what happened to LH480 yesterday? Saw it diverted way south of Denver to CO Springs, then flew back a few hours later and circled for awhile before finally landing at DEN.

DEN had tornado warnings about that time.

Pretty cool pic posted
https://twitter.com/patricia_Travel/sta ... 8XX9hTMBwg

Planeboy17 · Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:01 pm

Off topic: Anyone know what happened to LH480 yesterday? Saw it diverted way south of Denver to CO Springs, then flew back a few hours later and circled for awhile before finally landing at DEN.[/quote]

I know that DEN had microburst alerts causing ATC delays yesterday so probably associated with that.

Cardude2 · Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:21 pm

stylo777 wrote:
according to Boeing website, the only "unfilled orders" for the 77W are 5x from PIA and 1x UIC: https://www.boeing.com/commercial/#/orders-deliveries
not sure if those have been produced though.

The PIA order was never built and should be written off. The UIC is built though for china southern but they never took it so that's available to them.

mxaxai · Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:58 pm

caverunner17 wrote:
Agreed - I was not impressed with our DEN-MUC / FRA-DEN this month in economy. The A359 hard product was good, but food was tasteless pasta as the only option with small portions, and the buy-on-board snack wasn't even available on the FRA-DEN flight yesterday.

It's not just LH, the catering industry is facing a major post-covid crisis. Some of my recent train trips have been affected as well. Between on-board health concerns and reduced travel in general, many catering companies downsized in the past two years and are now struggling to match the return of demand.
Many regular restaurants in the area have also put up job offers that nobody's taking. And it makes sense; it's a volatile industry with low pay, hard work and poor conditions. You can earn more for less work elsewhere.

Example report about TUI: https://simpleflying.com/tui-staff-shor ... ering-cut/

columba · Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:10 am

Ronaldo747 wrote:
77W is still more efficient than the A380 today if you don't get a full cabin on the Whale Jet. Reactivating the A380 from deep storage takes 8-10 weeks, they would be back at the very end of the summer season at the earliest. So this is useless and not realistic.

Agree, also the A380 would need a whole infrastructure again, spare parts, simulators etc....this would be different with the 77W since LH Cargo operates an all 77F fleet and LX has the 77W. The infrastructure to maintain and fly the 77W is there. Also maybe at a latter date LH can take over LX 777Ws in exchange for A350s and operate the 77W together with 777X. Cabin configuaration can be adapted from LX.

PM · Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:23 am

columba wrote:
Ronaldo747 wrote:
77W is still more efficient than the A380 today if you don't get a full cabin on the Whale Jet. Reactivating the A380 from deep storage takes 8-10 weeks, they would be back at the very end of the summer season at the earliest. So this is useless and not realistic.

Agree, also the A380 would need a whole infrastructure again, spare parts, simulators etc....this would be different with the 77W since LH Cargo operates an all 77F fleet and LX has the 77W. The infrastructure to maintain and fly the 77W is there. Also maybe at a latter date LH can take over LX 777Ws in exchange for A350s and operate the 77W together with 777X. Cabin configuaration can be adapted from LX.

Logic be damned. Who wouldn't prefer to see a few more A380s in service than yet more 777s?

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