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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:32 pm

A Finnish paper HS reporting from HEL:
The airport is getting an increasing number of Russian passengers again, Russia has eased the restrictions on their land border. The Russians arrive by bus (train traffic been halted), the paper interviewed passengers heading to France, Italy and Latvia. The 6,275 people that crossed the FIN/RUS border on July 15 was around 30% of the numbers from the same day in 2019.

In Finnish: https://www.hs.fi/kaupunki/art-2000008949019.html
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Jul 16, 2022 7:10 pm

MareBorealis wrote:
A Finnish paper HS reporting from HEL:
The airport is getting an increasing number of Russian passengers again, Russia has eased the restrictions on their land border. The Russians arrive by bus (train traffic been halted), the paper interviewed passengers heading to France, Italy and Latvia. The 6,275 people that crossed the FIN/RUS border on July 15 was around 30% of the numbers from the same day in 2019.

In Finnish: https://www.hs.fi/kaupunki/art-2000008949019.html

Estonia as well is a gateway. I've seen several Russian passengers to Italy. Money (for travel) never sleeps ;)
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:38 pm

Second E195 to SAS Link has now been delivered this week. Also another A320neo was delivered

From Skyliner
Embraer 195 LR 190.00168 SE-RSO SAS Link delivery 13jul22 EXT-CPH ex G-FBEK


Airbus A320 -251N 10629 EI-SIN SAS Connect delivery 15jul22 XFW-ARN
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jul 17, 2022 3:10 pm

How is BGO treating the new UA service? The US3 should be firming their S23 schedule in the coming months, and I hope to see this one stick.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:45 pm

Finnair says its working to overhaul its business strategy since access to Russian overflight rights, which underpinned its previous focus on Asia could likely not be restored for an extended period.

Carrier today reported Q2 loss of EUR 84mil, and expects a full year loss.

According to the CEO, the company "needs a significant structural overhaul. We are working on a thorough strategy renewal and aim to communicate more about our direction and the changes it brings in the autumn," he said.

https://yle.fi/news/3-12542096
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:05 am

Many on here have read about how Hi Fly Malta as an EU airline (and not a British or Icelandic airline) does not have traffic rights between Iceland and the UK

Nice Air continue to use Hi Fly Malta to operate between Akureyri and both CPH and TFS, as well as doing various ad hoc charters. This might be worthwhile in peak summer... but I'm beginning to wonder what the plan is after summer is over. I just don't think the current business model, particularly without access to the UK, is going to work once the climate in Akureyri starts to turn cold. I haven't heard any noise about an upcoming solution between Nice Air and the UK CAA... and there has been ample time for meetings to solve this by now if a solution existed

Anyone know what is going to happen ?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:13 pm

Air France is starting routes from Paris til Tromsø and Kittala the coming Winter. 1x weekly to both from December 10.

In addition Rovanemi is returning with 3x weekly

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220721-afnw22ktttos
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:43 am

Flyr's 5th 737-MAX 8, LN-FGI, has been delivered
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jul 29, 2022 9:03 am

Someone83 wrote:
Flyr's 5th 737-MAX 8, LN-FGI, has been delivered


Will this increase their fleet to 11? 5 Max and 6 NG? Everyone I know that have tried Flyr say they offer a very solid product.
 
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Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:04 am

Oykie wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Flyr's 5th 737-MAX 8, LN-FGI, has been delivered


Will this increase their fleet to 11? 5 Max and 6 NG? Everyone I know that have tried Flyr say they offer a very solid product.


Correct, and the 6th MAX isn't that far away
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:29 am

Finnair to resume one weekly flights to Guangzhou with the A350 from September 6th.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220802-aysep22can
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:48 am

Someone83 wrote:
Air France is starting routes from Paris til Tromsø and Kittala the coming Winter. 1x weekly to both from December 10.


Hopefully operators have a solid tour package to offer to vacationing folks up in Tromsø, as a week is a long time to spend there. I've made some trips up and 2 days was more than plenty for the city itself, plus a few of the nearby surroundings. You barely get daylight anyway at that time of year. I guess one can also do a side-trip up to Svalbard.

Oykie wrote:
Will this increase their fleet to 11? 5 Max and 6 NG? Everyone I know that have tried Flyr say they offer a very solid product.


I've flown them recently IBZ-OSL on their Max. Taking a massive departure delay out of the picture, I don't have anything too negative or too positive to say. Legroom was a bit tight, especially considering we were on board for almost 7 hours. The bottle of water upon boarding was a welcome touch. Prices were quite high for the BOB products (IIRC, higher than what I saw versus DY on my last flight with them). The FAs were all super young and not entirely motivated, at least on this particular flight. It was late in the evening, so pax weren't asking too much of them anyway, so they sat in the back chit-chatting the whole time after their "service". For a $30 ticket, I'm not complaining, just stating facts. I needed a ride to Oslo, and I got one.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:38 am

Aeroflot777 wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Air France is starting routes from Paris til Tromsø and Kittala the coming Winter. 1x weekly to both from December 10.


Hopefully operators have a solid tour package to offer to vacationing folks up in Tromsø, as a week is a long time to spend there. I've made some trips up and 2 days was more than plenty for the city itself, plus a few of the nearby surroundings. You barely get daylight anyway at that time of year. I guess one can also do a side-trip up to Svalbard.

Many people go to see the aurora borealis, then for reinsleigh rides (a bit away from Tromso), snowmobile tours, etc. You won't be bored for a week. But I agree, it would probably be wiser to also cater fo the extended weekend crowd, offering options to stay 3-4 days (i.e. fly twice weekly).
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:09 am

Side trips from Tromso to Svalbard are unlikely to have mass appeal in the winter. It's too far north to see the aurora, it's completely dark, bitterly cold, minimal urban pleasures, and very expensive.
A route from France to Tromso has to have enough for visitors in and around Tromso
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 03, 2022 6:13 pm

Air Greenland releases first photos of its new A330-800neo "Tuukkaq," set to replace its aging A330-200 "Norsaq" on its main route CPH-SFJ (Kangerlussuaq) as well as future routes CPH-GOH (Nuuk) and CPH-JAV (Ilulissat) once those airport and runway expansions are completed in 2023-2024.

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https://www.instagram.com/p/CgzR2G5MUZ9/

https://www.facebook.com/airgreenland/p ... kpXkL5zzhl

https://web.archive.org/web/20200725020 ... 30-800neo/ (Archived press release)

https://kair.gl/en/ (Information on new airports for GOH, JAV, and JJU)
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:32 pm

Thule wrote:
Air Greenland releases first photos of its new A330-800neo "Tuukkaq," set to replace its aging A330-200 "Norsaq" on its main route CPH-SFJ (Kangerlussuaq) as well as future routes CPH-GOH (Nuuk) and CPH-JAV (Ilulissat) once those airport and runway expansions are completed in 2023-2024.

Image

https://www.instagram.com/p/CgzR2G5MUZ9/

https://www.facebook.com/airgreenland/p ... kpXkL5zzhl

https://web.archive.org/web/20200725020 ... 30-800neo/ (Archived press release)

https://kair.gl/en/ (Information on new airports for GOH, JAV, and JJU)


Do they need the A330 because of cargo? A321neo would make more sense from an operational point of view.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:17 pm

Blerg wrote:

Do they need the A330 because of cargo? A321neo would make more sense from an operational point of view.


Yes, absolutely. The A330 is the primary (and very often the only) vehicle for fast/same-day mail and cargo for the whole island.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:22 pm

Thule wrote:
Air Greenland releases first photos of its new A330-800neo "Tuukkaq," set to replace its aging A330-200 "Norsaq" on its main route CPH-SFJ (Kangerlussuaq) as well as future routes CPH-GOH (Nuuk) and CPH-JAV (Ilulissat) once those airport and runway expansions are completed in 2023-2024.

Image

https://www.instagram.com/p/CgzR2G5MUZ9/

https://www.facebook.com/airgreenland/p ... kpXkL5zzhl

https://web.archive.org/web/20200725020 ... 30-800neo/ (Archived press release)

https://kair.gl/en/ (Information on new airports for GOH, JAV, and JJU)

When will the 332 be retired?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:39 am

Thule wrote:
Blerg wrote:

Do they need the A330 because of cargo? A321neo would make more sense from an operational point of view.


Yes, absolutely. The A330 is the primary (and very often the only) vehicle for fast/same-day mail and cargo for the whole island.


I assumed as much since the distance isn't that big.

Anyone know how they are doing in terms of finances? I know this doesn't really matter for Greenland but I am generally curious. Are they making a profit or are they loss-making.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:51 am

Are A330 crews based in Kangerlussuaq or in CPH? Can't think of a more stunning daily approach for a pilot ;)
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:59 am

Blerg wrote:
Thule wrote:
Blerg wrote:

Do they need the A330 because of cargo? A321neo would make more sense from an operational point of view.


Yes, absolutely. The A330 is the primary (and very often the only) vehicle for fast/same-day mail and cargo for the whole island.


I assumed as much since the distance isn't that big.

Anyone know how they are doing in terms of finances? I know this doesn't really matter for Greenland but I am generally curious. Are they making a profit or are they loss-making.


Last year at least they made a profit. https://www.airgreenland.com/news/air-g ... al-result/
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:56 am

Blerg wrote:
Thule wrote:
Blerg wrote:

Do they need the A330 because of cargo? A321neo would make more sense from an operational point of view.


Yes, absolutely. The A330 is the primary (and very often the only) vehicle for fast/same-day mail and cargo for the whole island.


I assumed as much since the distance isn't that big.

Anyone know how they are doing in terms of finances? I know this doesn't really matter for Greenland but I am generally curious. Are they making a profit or are they loss-making.

Well, it's a 4-and-a-half hour flight on a good day, without the strong headwinds that often hit you during many days of the year. And once you got to SFJ and realise you can't land for any reason, your closest alternate is KEF, an hour and a half away, and not rarely itself having bad weather.
While Air Greenland sometimes leases A320s for additional flights to CPH, they must really be on the limit of their range.
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:57 am

a350lover wrote:
Are A330 crews based in Kangerlussuaq or in CPH? Can't think of a more stunning daily approach for a pilot ;)

All Air Greenland crew are proudly Greenlandic (live in Greenland, but some of them are Danes). They are based in Greenland, but not necessarily in Kangerlussuaq, which is a village of 600 inhabitants.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:19 am

MalevTU134 wrote:
a350lover wrote:
Are A330 crews based in Kangerlussuaq or in CPH? Can't think of a more stunning daily approach for a pilot ;)

All Air Greenland crew are proudly Greenlandic (live in Greenland, but some of them are Danes). They are based in Greenland, but not necessarily in Kangerlussuaq, which is a village of 600 inhabitants.


I was told by a Air Greenland engineer all A330 crew are based in CPH. Everyone else is based out of Nuuk though for regional flights.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:40 am

lesfalls wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
a350lover wrote:
Are A330 crews based in Kangerlussuaq or in CPH? Can't think of a more stunning daily approach for a pilot ;)

All Air Greenland crew are proudly Greenlandic (live in Greenland, but some of them are Danes). They are based in Greenland, but not necessarily in Kangerlussuaq, which is a village of 600 inhabitants.


I was told by a Air Greenland engineer all A330 crew are based in CPH. Everyone else is based out of Nuuk though for regional flights.

Both SAS and the Danish government sold their shares in Air Greenland in 2019, making it 100% owned by the state of Greenland. Since then, and especially during the pandemic, when Greenland introduced harsh entry restrictions even for people residing in Denmark, there has been an active policy to make the airline 100% Greenlandic in style and workforce. Hence, since a few years back, all Air Greenland crew are Greenlandic (live in Greenland).
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:21 pm

a350lover wrote:
Are A330 crews based in Kangerlussuaq or in CPH? Can't think of a more stunning daily approach for a pilot ;)


Unless you are a Greek pilot flying for Olympic. ;)
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:58 am

SAS Link has received its third E195.

SE-RSM (formerly G-FBEI of FlyBe) has joined the SAS Link fleet, flying from NWI to CPH yesterday, 4 August 2022 as SK9150. Its first commercial flight is SK1685 CPH-MXP today, Friday 5 August 2022.

It joins SE-RSO (formerly G-FBEK of FlyBe) and SE-RSK (formerly G-FBEG), all flying European routes from CPH and occasionally night stopping at BGO.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:53 am

KLM launches 1x weekly AMS-Rovaniemi on December 3rd, 2022:

- AMS 12:25 - RVN 16:20 KL1213 B738 Sat
- RVN 17.10 - AMS 19.15 KL1214 B738 Sat

www.klm.com
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:58 am

All SAS’ pilot unions has voted yes for the agreement that stopped the strike in July
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:56 pm

Air Canada to add CPH-Montreal rute from 02JUN 2023 in addition to the existing CPH-Toronto rute:

AC826 YUL-CPH 17.55-06.45+1 788 xx34567
AC827 CPH-YUL 13.15-15.00 788 1xx4567

https://twitter.com/cphtraveller/status ... 9CN9Y4K7VQ
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:37 pm

EI-SIT was delivered to SAS yesterday. That should be their 52nd A320neo
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:52 pm

sas767 wrote:
Air Canada to add CPH-Montreal rute from 02JUN 2023 in addition to the existing CPH-Toronto rute:

AC826 YUL-CPH 17.55-06.45+1 788 xx34567
AC827 CPH-YUL 13.15-15.00 788 1xx4567

https://twitter.com/cphtraveller/status ... 9CN9Y4K7VQ


Would rather see them try another Nordic city, most likely ARN, instead of adding more capacity to CPH.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:04 pm

sas767 wrote:
Air Canada to add CPH-Montreal rute from 02JUN 2023 in addition to the existing CPH-Toronto rute:

AC826 YUL-CPH 17.55-06.45+1 788 xx34567
AC827 CPH-YUL 13.15-15.00 788 1xx4567

https://twitter.com/cphtraveller/status ... 9CN9Y4K7VQ


Looks like the aircraft rotates YUL-CPH-YYZ, ect.

Anyone know the times for the YYZ flight?

I’m guessing this is mainly aimed at American connections
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:38 pm

B747forever wrote:
sas767 wrote:
Air Canada to add CPH-Montreal rute from 02JUN 2023 in addition to the existing CPH-Toronto rute:

AC826 YUL-CPH 17.55-06.45+1 788 xx34567
AC827 CPH-YUL 13.15-15.00 788 1xx4567

https://twitter.com/cphtraveller/status ... 9CN9Y4K7VQ


Would rather see them try another Nordic city, most likely ARN, instead of adding more capacity to CPH.


How much of AC's traffic is based on Denmark plus non-Sweden connections ? Is there enough demand to support a YYZ-ARN route along with ARN-centric connections ?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:35 pm

lesfalls wrote:
sas767 wrote:
Air Canada to add CPH-Montreal rute from 02JUN 2023 in addition to the existing CPH-Toronto rute:

AC826 YUL-CPH 17.55-06.45+1 788 xx34567
AC827 CPH-YUL 13.15-15.00 788 1xx4567

https://twitter.com/cphtraveller/status ... 9CN9Y4K7VQ


Looks like the aircraft rotates YUL-CPH-YYZ, ect.

Anyone know the times for the YYZ flight?

I’m guessing this is mainly aimed at American connections

Why do you assume it rotates that way? To me, it looks like it turns back to Montréal.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:07 pm

MalevTU134 wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
sas767 wrote:
Air Canada to add CPH-Montreal rute from 02JUN 2023 in addition to the existing CPH-Toronto rute:

AC826 YUL-CPH 17.55-06.45+1 788 xx34567
AC827 CPH-YUL 13.15-15.00 788 1xx4567

https://twitter.com/cphtraveller/status ... 9CN9Y4K7VQ


Looks like the aircraft rotates YUL-CPH-YYZ, ect.

Anyone know the times for the YYZ flight?

I’m guessing this is mainly aimed at American connections

Why do you assume it rotates that way? To me, it looks like it turns back to Montréal.


7hrs on the ground in CPH isn't an ideal nor the norm for a TATL flight.

If it was an Asian flight it's the norm but haven't seen any TATL flights with such a long ground stop for a very long time.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:45 pm

lesfalls wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
lesfalls wrote:

Looks like the aircraft rotates YUL-CPH-YYZ, ect.

Anyone know the times for the YYZ flight?

I’m guessing this is mainly aimed at American connections

Why do you assume it rotates that way? To me, it looks like it turns back to Montréal.


7hrs on the ground in CPH isn't an ideal nor the norm for a TATL flight.

If it was an Asian flight it's the norm but haven't seen any TATL flights with such a long ground stop for a very long time.

It definitely isn't anything out of the ordinary. Arrive in the morning, leave back at midday. The thing is that YUL-CPH isn't a very long flight, so it arrives in early.
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:35 pm

Plus I think it can't come back faster until SK flights return with transfers. Looking at today's schedule it should have connections from the following destinations:

GOT, HAM, SVG, OSL, ARN, BGO, NCE, AMS and ZRH.

Not much is being offered but it should be enough to fill the Dreamliner.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:39 pm

factsonly wrote:
KLM launches 1x weekly AMS-Rovaniemi on December 3rd, 2022:

- AMS 12:25 - RVN 16:20 KL1213 B738 Sat
- RVN 17.10 - AMS 19.15 KL1214 B738 Sat

http://www.klm.com


Good to see the scheduled winter services Europe-Finnish Lapland will be back, like KLM (AMS-RVN), Air France (CDG-RVN/KTT), Lufthansa (FRA-KTT), Turkish Airlines (IST-RVN), Easy Jet (LGW-RVN, MAN-RVN, BRS-RVN).
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:57 pm

Braathens Regional is expanding their fleet by 2 ATR-72-600, to 14 in total. Both on lease from NAC. One brand new to be delivered from TLS soon, and a 2019 vintage coming in October

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/braathens ... its-fleet/
 
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Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:31 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Braathens Regional is expanding their fleet by 2 ATR-72-600, to 14 in total. Both on lease from NAC. One brand new to be delivered from TLS soon, and a 2019 vintage coming in October

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/braathens ... its-fleet/


Also interesting and I’m not sure it was discussed here is the 5 A319 they will get for Ving operations. Apparently some regional routes will also be operated with A319s.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:32 pm

SAS is already cutting CPH-YYZ down to size. It will finish early October instead of end of summer schedule, as initially planned.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220810-sknw22cphyyz
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:19 pm

BangersAndMash wrote:
SAS is already cutting CPH-YYZ down to size. It will finish early October instead of end of summer schedule, as initially planned.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220810-sknw22cphyyz


While ARN-YYZ stays around?

Makes sense if AC operates 777-300ER on YYZ-CPH.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:43 pm

lesfalls wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
SAS is already cutting CPH-YYZ down to size. It will finish early October instead of end of summer schedule, as initially planned.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220810-sknw22cphyyz


While ARN-YYZ stays around?

Makes sense if AC operates 777-300ER on YYZ-CPH.


It looks that way, yes. Was about to say, unlike CPH, AC does not serve ARN. Still though, I guess it means AC is eating their lunch then.
 
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Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:08 pm

seansasLCY wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Braathens Regional is expanding their fleet by 2 ATR-72-600, to 14 in total. Both on lease from NAC. One brand new to be delivered from TLS soon, and a 2019 vintage coming in October

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/braathens ... its-fleet/


Also interesting and I’m not sure it was discussed here is the 5 A319 they will get for Ving operations. Apparently some regional routes will also be operated with A319s.


Has been mentioned here. As said, primarily to operate thinner charter Holiday routes for Ving. Either to low volume destinations or from smaller cities in Scandinavia
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:46 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Air France is starting routes from Paris til Tromsø and Kittala the coming Winter. 1x weekly to both from December 10.

In addition Rovanemi is returning with 3x weekly

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220721-afnw22ktttos


Rovaniemi will be daily around Christmas-New Year.
 
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Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:25 am

BangersAndMash wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
SAS is already cutting CPH-YYZ down to size. It will finish early October instead of end of summer schedule, as initially planned.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220810-sknw22cphyyz


While ARN-YYZ stays around?

Makes sense if AC operates 777-300ER on YYZ-CPH.


It looks that way, yes. Was about to say, unlike CPH, AC does not serve ARN. Still though, I guess it means AC is eating their lunch then.


Makes you wonder how badly this route was performing when SK couldn't make it work with an A321 flying it between two Star Alliance hubs.

I checked Air Canada's website and they plan on operating 5 weekly YYZ-CPH onboard the B788. It could also be that demand is softening really fast due to the economic situation in western Europe.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:46 am

Blerg wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:
lesfalls wrote:

While ARN-YYZ stays around?

Makes sense if AC operates 777-300ER on YYZ-CPH.


It looks that way, yes. Was about to say, unlike CPH, AC does not serve ARN. Still though, I guess it means AC is eating their lunch then.


Makes you wonder how badly this route was performing when SK couldn't make it work with an A321 flying it between two Star Alliance hubs.

I checked Air Canada's website and they plan on operating 5 weekly YYZ-CPH onboard the B788. It could also be that demand is softening really fast due to the economic situation in western Europe.


Dunno. Plenty of other markets are still going strong. And AC, which was flying it more often, and with larger equipment to start with, isn't cutting down. Simply more North America origin traffic, which AC is better placed to capture? And what's the product like. Any significant differences? SK isn't exactly known for its amazing product.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:33 pm

BangersAndMash wrote:
Blerg wrote:
BangersAndMash wrote:

It looks that way, yes. Was about to say, unlike CPH, AC does not serve ARN. Still though, I guess it means AC is eating their lunch then.


Makes you wonder how badly this route was performing when SK couldn't make it work with an A321 flying it between two Star Alliance hubs.

I checked Air Canada's website and they plan on operating 5 weekly YYZ-CPH onboard the B788. It could also be that demand is softening really fast due to the economic situation in western Europe.


Dunno. Plenty of other markets are still going strong. And AC, which was flying it more often, and with larger equipment to start with, isn't cutting down. Simply more North America origin traffic, which AC is better placed to capture? And what's the product like. Any significant differences? SK isn't exactly known for its amazing product.


I agree with you. According to the link, SK has been absent from YYZ-CPH for 31 years, I suppose there is a good reason for that. It seems like this market is difficult to make for SK especially since they don't seem to have a really strong network for connections outside the relatively densely populated Nordic region. On top of that, it also doesn't help that AC is there with nonstop flights and then within an hour from CPH there is LH, KL, BA and so on.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:53 pm

Well BRA is nothing if not ambitious. As well as the A319s coming on property shortly to fly for Ving, it seems they're planning to double their ATR fleet from 12 to 24 aircraft (posted on Aerotelegraph - in German).

https://www.aerotelegraph.com/bra-will-auch-atr-flotte-kraeftig-ausbauen

I wonder if that means they'll be flying some of these from Arlanda to add to the Bromma operation.

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