Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

AS737MAX · Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:27 am

pdxav8r wrote:
Not so odd. DL axed previously scheduled 3X summer JFK flights, down to two (possibly, but only one for now), not holding my breath for anything over one flight per day, especially during Q4/Q1. Business traffic just hasn’t responded. Not sure how JetBlue even competed with UA, DL, and AS to NYC. They weren’t even daily anyway during winter. Only reason I see them flying NYC during winter, is to connect to the Caribbean, and PDX is weak there regardless.

Things must be pretty rough for B6 too if they're not even going to bother with something like FLL through the winter. I know Hawaii/Mexico take more of the warm weather winter tourist traffic, but it's not as if no one is flying to Florida. B6 has been quiet at PDX forever, so I'm not that surprised either.

twincommander · Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:00 am

AC4500 wrote:
Looks like JetBlue is leaving PDX. Flights to JFK/BOS/FLL are no longer bookable past October 2nd.

Needs to be permanent.. They don't give a rip about their passengers or workers in PDX.

pnwpdx · Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:49 pm

pdxav8r wrote:
Not so odd. DL axed previously scheduled 3X summer JFK flights, down to two (possibly, but only one for now), not holding my breath for anything over one flight per day, especially during Q4/Q1. Business traffic just hasn’t responded. Not sure how JetBlue even competed with UA, DL, and AS to NYC. They weren’t even daily anyway during winter. Only reason I see them flying NYC during winter, is to connect to the Caribbean, and PDX is weak there regardless.

From my understanding, Delta will go 2x daily on PDX-JFK later this fall.
Perhaps DL will pick up PDX-BOS. I really see Delta seizing the opportunity to capitalize on some of Alaska's reductions and now JetBlue's.

SANFan · Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:13 pm

pnwpdx wrote:
Perhaps DL will pick up PDX-BOS. I really see Delta seizing the opportunity to capitalize on some of Alaska's reductions and now JetBlue's.

I just read elsewhere that DL is adding BOS-PHX to its routemap in December. They appear to be slowly and carefully growing domestically out of their new BOS hub (or key city, focus city or whatever term they are using for Logan Airport.)

If the traffic is there, I'm sure BOS-PDX is somewhere "on the list".

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zonks · Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:53 pm

It's never good to see any airline leave PDX but B6's East Coast based strategy has never worked out too well for PDX. I highly doubt they pick up any business traffic with their red eye schedules and their flights don't connect to any European flights without a long layover. Nevertheless, I do think it's still sad for PDX to lose more flights.

pdxplanes837362 · Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:24 am

zonks wrote:
It's never good to see any airline leave PDX but B6's East Coast based strategy has never worked out too well for PDX. I highly doubt they pick up any business traffic with their red eye schedules and their flights don't connect to any European flights without a long layover. Nevertheless, I do think it's still sad for PDX to lose more flights.

I would just like to raise the fact that B6 has declined to serve PDX with Mint-equipped aircraft, while PDX is no SEA or LAX, it is heavy with business travelers who are looking for a premium product on flights that are over 5 hrs long. Although none of the carriers (DL, UA, AS, or AA) serve PDX with premium “transcons” they all have a Domestic first class product that brings in business travelers who are appealed by the enchanted comfort and food for a semi long flight. Who am I to know whether bringing a true premium product would affect performance on a route but what I do know is that for a business intensive market, the lack of any sort of w chanced product will not be very successful, especially in the winter when demand is carried by business travelers not the leisure travelers that are loooking for cheap tickets - one of the main appeals of B6. Just a bit of food for thought!

pdxav8r · Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:54 am

pdxplanes837362 wrote:
zonks wrote:
It's never good to see any airline leave PDX but B6's East Coast based strategy has never worked out too well for PDX. I highly doubt they pick up any business traffic with their red eye schedules and their flights don't connect to any European flights without a long layover. Nevertheless, I do think it's still sad for PDX to lose more flights.

I would just like to raise the fact that B6 has declined to serve PDX with Mint-equipped aircraft, while PDX is no SEA or LAX, it is heavy with business travelers who are looking for a premium product on flights that are over 5 hrs long. Although none of the carriers (DL, UA, AS, or AA) serve PDX with premium “transcons” they all have a Domestic first class product that brings in business travelers who are appealed by the enchanted comfort and food for a semi long flight. Who am I to know whether bringing a true premium product would affect performance on a route but what I do know is that for a business intensive market, the lack of any sort of w chanced product will not be very successful, especially in the winter when demand is carried by business travelers not the leisure travelers that are loooking for cheap tickets - one of the main appeals of B6. Just a bit of food for thought!

PDX is not heavy with biz travelers, obviously, and one of the worst performing recovery markets post-COVID. As you say, no Mint for B6 here. PDX is also not ‘business intensive’, quite the opposite. Hence, why B6 won’t serve the JFK route for months, as there will be very little premium market. No loyalty to B6 in this market, vs. DL, UA, and AS. They all give biz passengers at least one NYC daytime flight, not the super-saver red eye only. Only online cost-sensitive passengers. Doesn’t cut it, evidently.

zonks · Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:08 pm

I gotta agree with pdxav8r on this one. In no way did/does PDX justify presence of a domestic lie-flat product outside of HA to Hawaii. I know we all want the best for our home airport but at this point I'd like us to retain the service we have as opposed to aiming for stuff like Mint. I don't even think SEA is all Mint and that's a much bigger market, both in terms of leisure and business. As someone whose flying these days is 75% business, I don't care if it's a lie flat seat with lobster for dinner, I am not flying a red eye to the East Coast and then connecting to where I need to be at 8am from JFK or BOS. B6's schedule were complete garbage for business travel and they were never an option.

These days with prices rising (I just spent $850 on a MSP n/s in Y), there's no way I can justify billing customers thousands of dollars for a transcon flight on a hypothetical Mint flight. I don't think there are many companies in the Portland area who can.

AS737MAX · Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:30 pm

Comlux Aruba 772 en route from OPF, ETA 1:16pm local: https://fr24.com/CXB772/2c78b723

Not visible for tracking on flightaware.

jplatts · Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:52 pm

SANFan wrote:
pnwpdx wrote:
Perhaps DL will pick up PDX-BOS. I really see Delta seizing the opportunity to capitalize on some of Alaska's reductions and now JetBlue's.

I just read elsewhere that DL is adding BOS-PHX to its routemap in December. They appear to be slowly and carefully growing domestically out of their new BOS hub (or key city, focus city or whatever term they are using for Logan Airport.)

If the traffic is there, I'm sure BOS-PDX is somewhere "on the list".

I agree that DL adding PDX-BOS nonstop service is a possibility as DL has nonstop service out of BOS to a few domestic destinations that don't currently have B6 service such as CVG, CMH, IND, and ORF along with the recent adds that DL has made out of BOS to BWI/DFW/DEN/PHX/SAN.

Phobia07 · Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:16 pm

Anybody know how the passenger loads have been on the London flight?

AC4500 · Mon Jul 04, 2022 12:18 am

AS737MAX wrote:
Comlux Aruba 772 en route from OPF, ETA 1:16pm local: https://fr24.com/CXB772/2c78b723

Not visible for tracking on flightaware.

So that's what the plane was....

I was driving on I-84 and saw this plane coming in and wondered what it was. I figured it was a new Boeing plane coming in to PDX for a paint-job... Looks like the plane departed for SNN last night...

Chugach · Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:42 am

Phobia07 wrote:
Anybody know how the passenger loads have been on the London flight?

Looked today for grins and it was mostly full in all three classes.

Phobia07 · Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:53 am

Chugach wrote:
Phobia07 wrote:
Anybody know how the passenger loads have been on the London flight?

Looked today for grins and it was mostly full in all three classes.

Great to hear that. If it keeps up, I wonder BA would upgrade to the 789 or better

AS737MAX · Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:24 am

AC4500 wrote:
AS737MAX wrote:
Comlux Aruba 772 en route from OPF, ETA 1:16pm local: https://fr24.com/CXB772/2c78b723

Not visible for tracking on flightaware.

So that's what the plane was....

I was driving on I-84 and saw this plane coming in and wondered what it was. I figured it was a new Boeing plane coming in to PDX for a paint-job... Looks like the plane departed for SNN last night...

Kind of interesting, honestly. It flew PMO-MIA-OPF-PDX-SNN in the last few days. It's VIP-configured with 88 seats per planespotters.net so it has the range for most of the globe from here...wonder who was flying around on it.

Also of note, it appears that the PDX-MSY entry on AS' books is gone for the Jan 5 2023 start date you had mentioned upthread.

AC4500 · Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:24 pm

AS737MAX wrote:
Also of note, it appears that the PDX-MSY entry on AS' books is gone for the Jan 5 2023 start date you had mentioned upthread.

Yeah, I have a feeling PDX-MSY is just going to get pushed back until they eventually yank it from their schedule entirely. AS tends to do this more then any other airline, and it's honestly quite disappointing.

zonks · Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:43 pm

AS737MAX wrote:
Kind of interesting, honestly. It flew PMO-MIA-OPF-PDX-SNN in the last few days. It's VIP-configured with 88 seats per planespotters.net so it has the range for most of the globe from here...wonder who was flying around on it.

I assume it had something to do with the Saudi backed LIV golf tournament out at Pumpkin Ridge. I'm not a big golf fan but I'm pretty sure golf tournaments always end with the final round on a Sunday, so it seems like it was ferrying VIPs (or players?) back over to Europe.

pdxav8r · Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:20 pm

Anybody know why AC508, PDX-YYZ, is habitually 2 hours late for departure? The plane arrives the night before, so not sure of the next day delay.

JPhoto · Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:18 pm

pdxav8r wrote:
Anybody know why AC508, PDX-YYZ, is habitually 2 hours late for departure? The plane arrives the night before, so not sure of the next day delay.

It arrives with a 2 hr delay the night before usually, my guess it's the same crew that flies it back the next day. Why it arrives with a 2hr delay habitually..... I don't know.

LittleFokker · Thu Jul 07, 2022 11:16 pm

zonks wrote:
AS737MAX wrote:
Kind of interesting, honestly. It flew PMO-MIA-OPF-PDX-SNN in the last few days. It's VIP-configured with 88 seats per planespotters.net so it has the range for most of the globe from here...wonder who was flying around on it.

I assume it had something to do with the Saudi backed LIV golf tournament out at Pumpkin Ridge. I'm not a big golf fan but I'm pretty sure golf tournaments always end with the final round on a Sunday, so it seems like it was ferrying VIPs (or players?) back over to Europe.

https://abbeyfealegolfclub.com/liv-golf ... ild-scene/

Can confirm it was related to the LIV golf event. Was going to start a thread asking what charter airline was doing this flight, but it appears y'all have my question answered. Many of the players in the event at Pumpkin Ridge were also playing in the JP McManus Pro-Am (unofficial charity event) at Adare Manor in Ireland on the Monday after that Saturday night. Looks like quite the party atmosphere.

ANA787 · Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:00 pm

Condor upgauging to A339neo next summer on PDX-FRA.

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220713-dens23inc

BangersAndMash · Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:01 pm

I know some of you were curious to find out when Condor would deploy the A339 to PDX. Well we know!

FRA-PDX will resume May 19, 2023, initially 2x weekly, 3x weekly from June 18, 2023.

All frequencies are due to switch to the A339 from June 3, 2023.

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220713-dens23inc

RWA380 · Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:41 pm

LittleFokker wrote:
zonks wrote:
AS737MAX wrote:
Kind of interesting, honestly. It flew PMO-MIA-OPF-PDX-SNN in the last few days. It's VIP-configured with 88 seats per planespotters.net so it has the range for most of the globe from here...wonder who was flying around on it.

I assume it had something to do with the Saudi backed LIV golf tournament out at Pumpkin Ridge. I'm not a big golf fan but I'm pretty sure golf tournaments always end with the final round on a Sunday, so it seems like it was ferrying VIPs (or players?) back over to Europe.

https://abbeyfealegolfclub.com/liv-golf ... ild-scene/

Can confirm it was related to the LIV golf event. Was going to start a thread asking what charter airline was doing this flight, but it appears y'all have my question answered. Many of the players in the event at Pumpkin Ridge were also playing in the JP McManus Pro-Am (unofficial charity event) at Adare Manor in Ireland on the Monday after that Saturday night. Looks like quite the party atmosphere.

This is the Crystal Cruise Lines private 777, it is a private configuration & was used in the past, for the Crystal Round the World trips. The Saudi's LIV golf chartered the aircraft to bring the players & their spouses along, they also get to bring their caddy, it represents part of their compensation package, in addition to huge payouts for every player on the final day.

Phobia07 · Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:55 pm

This might have been asked before, but I couldn't find it. What would be the largest widebody PDX could gate? Do we have any gates capable of servicing a 747 or 380?

ooslc · Thu Jul 14, 2022 9:55 pm

Phobia07 wrote:
This might have been asked before, but I couldn't find it. What would be the largest widebody PDX could gate? Do we have any gates capable of servicing a 747 or 380?

I'm pretty sure there are multiple gates on D that can handle a 747, probably D14/15 at the end, maybe D12, but no gates that are A380 capable.

CrisAA · Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:08 pm

There is definitely one on D that can handle a 747. I remember during the Asiana incident at SFO United had a 747 and a 777 divert to PDX. Don’t remember the exact gates.

ooslc · Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:31 pm

Looks like starting October 30th, the Sun/Fri flights to LHR on BA will be on a 787-10 :eyepopping:

flyoregon · Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:54 am

ooslc wrote:
Looks like starting October 30th, the Sun/Fri flights to LHR on BA will be on a 787-10

Well that was quick

Phobia07 · Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:03 pm

ooslc wrote:
Phobia07 wrote:
This might have been asked before, but I couldn't find it. What would be the largest widebody PDX could gate? Do we have any gates capable of servicing a 747 or 380?

I'm pretty sure there are multiple gates on D that can handle a 747, probably D14/15 at the end, maybe D12, but no gates that are A380 capable.

Good to know, thank you. Doubt we will be seeing any a380 service in the near future but I think the 777 is a possibility

Phobia07 · Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:12 pm

ooslc wrote:
Looks like starting October 30th, the Sun/Fri flights to LHR on BA will be on a 787-10

Awesome news! Where did you find this?

ooslc · Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:43 pm

Phobia07 wrote:
ooslc wrote:
Looks like starting October 30th, the Sun/Fri flights to LHR on BA will be on a 787-10

Awesome news! Where did you find this?

I was looking at Alaska award tickets in the winter and stumbled across it on a random Friday. Then looked at the BA website and it looks to be true according to seat maps when you try to purchase a seat. Who knows if it'll change before then though. I'm also skeptical because BA isn't selling first class seats, which the 781 has a first cabin. It supposedly goes to 2x 788 and 2x 781 for the 4x weekly schedule for winter. Then back to 5x 788 for summer schedule in late March.

pdxplanes837362 · Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:49 pm

Has anyone heard anything or have any intel regarding DL resuming flights to Asia from PDX this fall. I am aware we are just about 3 months out from the planned launch/relaunch of ICN and HND which makes me curious about what DL’s game plan is. If they let HND specifically go unserviced any longer i’d be curious to see if another carrier attempts to swoop in as OW seems to have been doing alright in PDX but of course if delta doesn’t see the route appealing there is probably a reason that wouldn’t make it too good looking for other carriers.

pdxplanes837362 · Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:58 pm

ooslc wrote:
Phobia07 wrote:
ooslc wrote:
Looks like starting October 30th, the Sun/Fri flights to LHR on BA will be on a 787-10

Awesome news! Where did you find this?

I was looking at Alaska award tickets in the winter and stumbled across it on a random Friday. Then looked at the BA website and it looks to be true according to seat maps when you try to purchase a seat. Who knows if it'll change before then though. I'm also skeptical because BA isn't selling first class seats, which the 781 has a first cabin. It supposedly goes to 2x 788 and 2x 781 for the 4x weekly schedule for winter. Then back to 5x 788 for summer schedule in late March.

Saw someone on the BA thread mention a similar situation regarding BNA-LHR.
817Dreamliner said:
“Generally in a situation where an aircraft with a F cabin operates a route where F isn't sold the cabin will mainly used as part of the CW cabin, but only if they really need to in the case of oversold cabins. The cabin shows up now and then, but the general consensus is usually to select your preferred seat in the CW cabin and don't chance it, especially if you have a lower or no OW status, as you would likely get kicked back into a worse CW seat. The system would generally assigned those F seats to Golds and GGLs at random.”
Definitely is an interesting situation, makes me at least somewhat curious to why BA would elect to use an aircraft with F but not sell F class tickets. Not exactly the best replacement but seems as if something like there A351 with more seats and no F but a larger J cabin would be better suited for this type of route.

bobsmith99 · Fri Jul 15, 2022 7:48 pm

pdxplanes837362 wrote:
Has anyone heard anything or have any intel regarding DL resuming flights to Asia from PDX this fall. I am aware we are just about 3 months out from the planned launch/relaunch of ICN and HND which makes me curious about what DL’s game plan is. If they let HND specifically go unserviced any longer i’d be curious to see if another carrier attempts to swoop in as OW seems to have been doing alright in PDX but of course if delta doesn’t see the route appealing there is probably a reason that wouldn’t make it too good looking for other carriers.

Both ICN and HND flights show that they are bookable in November (I picked a few random dates).

RWA380 · Fri Jul 15, 2022 8:13 pm

Phobia07 wrote:
This might have been asked before, but I couldn't find it. What would be the largest widebody PDX could gate? Do we have any gates capable of servicing a 747 or 380?

United operated a once weekly (Tue) ORD-PDX-NRT & a NRT-PDX-ORD flight, operated by the 747-200, both operated from the end of what is now D, they crossed paths (if on-time) at PDX.

NZ has flown a one off PDX-AKL non-stop with a 747-400, the passengers embarked from D. This was a delivery flight & NZ took the keys at PDX. Then operated the non-stop leg to AKL with fare paying passengers, who came home via LAX. Below is a link to an old OAG, showing the PDX & SEA flights from NRT, it's from 1983.

http://www.departedflights.com/NRT83p4.html

PDX is not capable of an A-380 at a gate from what I know, it would be stairs, but if IIRC, the end of D has an improved ramp, a taxiway & runway are A-380capable in a diversion case, or if some carriers decides to bring the leviathan to PDX, they can offer space. NH helped HNL upgrade two gates where there is lower & upper deck boarding, it was expensive, but necessary to regularly operate the beast into the airport. I suppose PDX would upgrade with a commitment from the carrier. However, I do not believe there is even one route that could reliably operate here with one.

Phobia07 · Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:30 pm

RWA380 wrote:
Phobia07 wrote:
This might have been asked before, but I couldn't find it. What would be the largest widebody PDX could gate? Do we have any gates capable of servicing a 747 or 380?

United operated a once weekly (Tue) ORD-PDX-NRT & a NRT-PDX-ORD flight, operated by the 747-200, both operated from the end of what is now D, they crossed paths (if on-time) at PDX.

NZ has flown a one off PDX-AKL non-stop with a 747-400, the passengers embarked from D. This was a delivery flight & NZ took the keys at PDX. Then operated the non-stop leg to AKL with fare paying passengers, who came home via LAX. Below is a link to an old OAG, showing the PDX & SEA flights from NRT, it's from 1983.

http://www.departedflights.com/NRT83p4.html

PDX is not capable of an A-380 at a gate from what I know, it would be stairs, but if IIRC, the end of D has an improved ramp, a taxiway & runway are A-380capable in a diversion case, or if some carriers decides to bring the leviathan to PDX, they can offer space. NH helped HNL upgrade two gates where there is lower & upper deck boarding, it was expensive, but necessary to regularly operate the beast into the airport. I suppose PDX would upgrade with a commitment from the carrier. However, I do not believe there is even one route that could reliably operate here with one.

I completely agree, there isn’t enough demand right now. Thanks for the info

lhpdx · Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:03 pm

I saw a chartered Tower air B747-200 years ago land on the north runway and parked at the end of CC-K I believe years ago..............

twincommander · Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:59 am

RWA380 wrote:
Phobia07 wrote:
This might have been asked before, but I couldn't find it. What would be the largest widebody PDX could gate? Do we have any gates capable of servicing a 747 or 380?

United operated a once weekly (Tue) ORD-PDX-NRT & a NRT-PDX-ORD flight, operated by the 747-200, both operated from the end of what is now D, they crossed paths (if on-time) at PDX.

NZ has flown a one off PDX-AKL non-stop with a 747-400, the passengers embarked from D. This was a delivery flight & NZ took the keys at PDX. Then operated the non-stop leg to AKL with fare paying passengers, who came home via LAX. Below is a link to an old OAG, showing the PDX & SEA flights from NRT, it's from 1983.

http://www.departedflights.com/NRT83p4.html

PDX is not capable of an A-380 at a gate from what I know, it would be stairs, but if IIRC, the end of D has an improved ramp, a taxiway & runway are A-380capable in a diversion case, or if some carriers decides to bring the leviathan to PDX, they can offer space. NH helped HNL upgrade two gates where there is lower & upper deck boarding, it was expensive, but necessary to regularly operate the beast into the airport. I suppose PDX would upgrade with a commitment from the carrier. However, I do not believe there is even one route that could reliably operate here with one.

As it is, an A380 can land and taxi around on a very small area. There are no gates capable of supporting one, nor is there a ramp spot that can handle one.

Also, there's no approved ground equipment on site to handle it.

747-8I or 777-300ER are as good as it gets, and both would need to borrow equipment from UPS or the crew that handles CX.

ramprat74 · Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:41 am

RWA380 wrote:
Phobia07 wrote:

NZ has flown a one off PDX-AKL non-stop with a 747-400, the passengers embarked from D. This was a delivery flight & NZ took the keys at PDX. Then operated the non-stop leg to AKL with fare paying passengers, who came home via LAX. Below is a link to an old OAG, showing the PDX & SEA flights from NRT, it's from 1983.

That NZ flight operated out of E1. I worked that flight and it was painted in PDX and they decided to operate it back to AKL as a revenue flight. I don’t believe it was a new plane since Boeing didn’t operate their paint shop at PDX yet.

RWA380 · Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:09 am

ramprat74 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
Phobia07 wrote:

NZ has flown a one off PDX-AKL non-stop with a 747-400, the passengers embarked from D. This was a delivery flight & NZ took the keys at PDX. Then operated the non-stop leg to AKL with fare paying passengers, who came home via LAX. Below is a link to an old OAG, showing the PDX & SEA flights from NRT, it's from 1983.

That NZ flight operated out of E1. I worked that flight and it was painted in PDX and they decided to operate it back to AKL as a revenue flight. I don’t believe it was a new plane since Boeing didn’t operate their paint shop at PDX yet.

Great memory, thanks for that. You may be right, It was marketed as a delivery flight, so a paint would be just as appropriate. I watched it take off from the parking lot at the end of the south runway in my Audi, I remember thinking of the few customers I had onboard, the whole idea of having NZ fly to PDX & then QF, all in that take off roll & lift off.

ramprat74 · Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:17 am

Gates E1 and E5 both could handle a 747. Now the United gates can’t even hold a 757. We will see what the new gates E1 and E2 will look like when the new terminal is complete.

pdxav8r · Sat Jul 16, 2022 5:45 am

Was looking at the AS arrivals today, and there are so few inbound AS flights that assist the BA LHR flight, without having a 3+ hour layover. Would think there would be more help, but maybe not needed.

RWA: there was no greater spotting day for me as a kid (when you could loiter the concourses at the time), when I was out at the UA gates, and gawked at the the two UA 742’s, both inbound and outbound to NRT and ORD, parked next to each other. Best thing ever, at the time.

kwbl · Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:50 pm

Seeing the UA 747s were indeed good times. The wonky concourse lettering (J,K,L) with gate numbers 37-63 and United's dominance at PDX. Back then, getting any trans-oceanic flights was pretty special - even if it was only 1x per week.

pdxplanes837362 · Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:04 pm

First off, during this period of the occasional 742, how did the jet bridge situation work. Did they bring jet bridges from 2 different gates over (To the extent of my knowledge there have never been any double jet bridges at PDX) or did they end up just using 1 jet bridge which sounds like a long and painful process to me.

Second, I was going through old forums sometime in the last couple months and I came up on a post about LH scheduling a 744 for a brief period of time i believe just a year or so before the financial crisis. Was there any truth to that and the only reason we never saw one was because of how severely the crisis affected oil prices? Or was it simply just a rumor made by someone on here.

Airnerd · Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:15 pm

pdxplanes837362 wrote:
First off, during this period of the occasional 742, how did the jet bridge situation work. Did they bring jet bridges from 2 different gates over (To the extent of my knowledge there have never been any double jet bridges at PDX) or did they end up just using 1 jet bridge which sounds like a long and painful process to me.

Second, I was going through old forums sometime in the last couple months and I came up on a post about LH scheduling a 744 for a brief period of time i believe just a year or so before the financial crisis. Was there any truth to that and the only reason we never saw one was because of how severely the crisis affected oil prices? Or was it simply just a rumor made by someone on here.

LH was typically on the A343. The A346 was a common substitute. I don’t recall that they ever brought a 744, but it’s possible.

kunta67 · Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:55 pm

When I was a 1K with United and flying a ton for work back in 2007 and 2008 I was lucky enough to have a few equipment subs from SFO and ORD with 763's and 777's.

Pdxfan · Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:01 pm

pdxplanes837362 wrote:
First off, during this period of the occasional 742, how did the jet bridge situation work. Did they bring jet bridges from 2 different gates over (To the extent of my knowledge there have never been any double jet bridges at PDX) or did they end up just using 1 jet bridge which sounds like a long and painful process to me.
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I used to live directly across from the airport growing up in Vancouver, WA (parents still there) on the river, and watched for those United 747's religiously. They just used the one jet bridge that was in place already.

pdxplanes837362 · Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:02 pm

Airnerd wrote:
pdxplanes837362 wrote:
First off, during this period of the occasional 742, how did the jet bridge situation work. Did they bring jet bridges from 2 different gates over (To the extent of my knowledge there have never been any double jet bridges at PDX) or did they end up just using 1 jet bridge which sounds like a long and painful process to me.

Second, I was going through old forums sometime in the last couple months and I came up on a post about LH scheduling a 744 for a brief period of time i believe just a year or so before the financial crisis. Was there any truth to that and the only reason we never saw one was because of how severely the crisis affected oil prices? Or was it simply just a rumor made by someone on here.

LH was typically on the A343. The A346 was a common substitute. I don’t recall that they ever brought a 744, but it’s possible.

That’s what I thought was the case but I read something on a thread from around 15 years ago that said LH was planning otherwise - a claim which I was skeptical of but still curious if anyone knew for sure.

kunta67 · Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:38 pm

Do all the WB international departures still only use 28L/10R for departures? I know 28R and 10L are wide and long enough for departures.

pdxplanes837362 · Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:54 pm

kunta67 wrote:
Do all the WB international departures still only use 28L/10R for departures? I know 28R and 10L are wide and long enough for departures.

Delta’s heavy ole 333 seems to be using 28L most of the time but occasionally (not sure exactly why, maybe to reduce traffic?) will use 28R off to AMS. With regards to DE/BA it’s a pretty even split as the 763/788 are both more than capable of using the 9000 ft 28R/10L but they will use the south runway on occasion.
It ultimately just comes down to conditions

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