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gmcc
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:02 pm

AC4500 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
I'm still seeing PDX-SJC. What dates are you looking at?


My bad...there was one nonstop flight between SJC and PDX on Saturday, 3/26...and the fare was exorbitant.

SJC (and the whole Bay Area as a whole) typically sees fewer flights on the weekends.

Although, just 1 flight is really odd, especially during spring break.

They might all be full since as you stated Oregon spring break is that week. I seem to remember reading either here or on ft that as flights fill up they don't show up on the schedule.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:05 pm

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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:44 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
I didn't realize AS quit flying between SJC and PDX. I hope it's just temporary. But as of the end of March, it wasn't there.

I'm still seeing PDX-SJC. What dates are you looking at?


My bad...there was one nonstop flight between SJC and PDX on Saturday, 3/26...and the fare was exorbitant.

Where are you looking? I see 2 nonstops for $75.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:56 am

Aliqiout wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
I'm still seeing PDX-SJC. What dates are you looking at?


My bad...there was one nonstop flight between SJC and PDX on Saturday, 3/26...and the fare was exorbitant.

Where are you looking? I see 2 nonstops for $75.


PDX-SJC has 2 flights on Saturdays: https://www.google.com/travel/flights/s ... gYIAxAAGAA
SJC-PDX has 1 flight on Saturdays: https://www.google.com/travel/flights/s ... gYIAxAAGAA

Understaffed or not, this is a VERY weak schedule for spring break. WN's schedule is even worse, though.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 31, 2022 1:05 am

gmcc wrote:
They might all be full since as you stated Oregon spring break is that week. I seem to remember reading either here or on ft that as flights fill up they don't show up on the schedule.

Good point, as this does sometimes happen. However, looking at the AS timetable (https://www.alaskaair.com/schedule), this does appear to be their actual schedule.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:54 am

AC4500 wrote:
Aliqiout wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:

My bad...there was one nonstop flight between SJC and PDX on Saturday, 3/26...and the fare was exorbitant.

Where are you looking? I see 2 nonstops for $75.


PDX-SJC has 2 flights on Saturdays: https://www.google.com/travel/flights/s ... gYIAxAAGAA
SJC-PDX has 1 flight on Saturdays: https://www.google.com/travel/flights/s ... gYIAxAAGAA

Understaffed or not, this is a VERY weak schedule for spring break. WN's schedule is even worse, though.


Sorry...I was looking SJC-PDX.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:52 pm

AS PDX-DEN further cut from the airline's schedule until April 19th.

As of October 2021, PDX-DEN is the second busiest route to/from Portland, only behind PDX-SEA, per https://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports. ... 4vr4=SNPgf

Obviously most passengers on PDX-DEN are connecting at the large UA/WN hubs, but connecting traffic aside, how can PDX's largest airline be struggling on the second busiest route to/from the airport? Is there really not enough O&D traffic for AS to capture on this route? The fares may be ridiculously low thanks to F9, but they seem to do okay on PDX-LAS and PDX-PHX.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Feb 02, 2022 5:17 pm

I'm not sure if it has been mentioned here recently, but it looks like the Delta PDX-Haneda flight is scheduled to begin April 1st. Whether or not it actually restarts is still to be determined, but it is available for booking on the Delta site.

I am hopeful we see this flight take off and see the additions of ICN/AMS on May 2nd and 3rd respectively. Looking at a few dates, HND/ICN look to be extremely empty (makes sense with closed borders still), while the AMS seems to be looking alright.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Feb 02, 2022 5:39 pm

pnwpdx wrote:
I'm not sure if it has been mentioned here recently, but it looks like the Delta PDX-Haneda flight is scheduled to begin April 1st. Whether or not it actually restarts is still to be determined, but it is available for booking on the Delta site.

I am hopeful we see this flight take off and see the additions of ICN/AMS on May 2nd and 3rd respectively. Looking at a few dates, HND/ICN look to be extremely empty (makes sense with closed borders still), while the AMS seems to be looking alright.

Asia demand is going to be depleted for quite some time. I wouldn't get my hopes up on ICN/HND starting on-time. Good to see that AMS is doing alright.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Feb 02, 2022 5:43 pm

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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Feb 06, 2022 11:04 pm

Just found something pretty interesting in the updated AS schedule.

PDX-DAL resumes June 18th with a Saturday-only schedule that almost exactly matches WN's Saturday-only PDX-DAL schedule.

AS PDX-DAL: 11:10 AM - 5:00 PM *Sat-only
WN PDX-DAL: 11:20 AM - 5:00 PM *Sat-only

AS DAL-PDX: 6:00 PM - 8:05 PM *Sat-only
WN DAL-PDX: 6:15 PM - 8:10 PM *Sat-only

Now only if AS would do this with PDX-STL...
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:23 pm

AC4500 wrote:
Just found something pretty interesting in the updated AS schedule.

PDX-DAL resumes June 18th with a Saturday-only schedule that almost exactly matches WN's Saturday-only PDX-DAL schedule.

AS PDX-DAL: 11:10 AM - 5:00 PM *Sat-only
WN PDX-DAL: 11:20 AM - 5:00 PM *Sat-only

AS DAL-PDX: 6:00 PM - 8:05 PM *Sat-only
WN DAL-PDX: 6:15 PM - 8:10 PM *Sat-only

I see that AS is also matching WN's equipment on the route, using a Boeing (738) for the r/t instead of an EMJ. Interesting.

We're just a bit over 4 months out from the 6/16 peak summer schedule now and from what I see, things are still holding together pretty well. That doesn't mean there won't still be cuts as the schedule date approaches but my fingers are crossed that it ends up as a robust, heavy-duty, high-frequency one!

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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Feb 07, 2022 6:15 pm

AC4500 wrote:
Just found something pretty interesting in the updated AS schedule.

PDX-DAL resumes June 18th with a Saturday-only schedule that almost exactly matches WN's Saturday-only PDX-DAL schedule.

AS PDX-DAL: 11:10 AM - 5:00 PM *Sat-only
WN PDX-DAL: 11:20 AM - 5:00 PM *Sat-only

AS DAL-PDX: 6:00 PM - 8:05 PM *Sat-only
WN DAL-PDX: 6:15 PM - 8:10 PM *Sat-only

Now only if AS would do this with PDX-STL...


Honestly not sure what the point is of a once weekly PDX-DAL for AS, aside from maybe gate squatting at DAL.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:20 pm

Chugach wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
Just found something pretty interesting in the updated AS schedule.

PDX-DAL resumes June 18th with a Saturday-only schedule that almost exactly matches WN's Saturday-only PDX-DAL schedule.

AS PDX-DAL: 11:10 AM - 5:00 PM *Sat-only
WN PDX-DAL: 11:20 AM - 5:00 PM *Sat-only

AS DAL-PDX: 6:00 PM - 8:05 PM *Sat-only
WN DAL-PDX: 6:15 PM - 8:10 PM *Sat-only

Now only if AS would do this with PDX-STL...


Honestly not sure what the point is of a once weekly PDX-DAL for AS, aside from maybe gate squatting at DAL.

That's exactly what this is (gate squatting). I'm not even sure why AS bothers with DAL anymore, especially now that they have direct access to AA's DFW hub route network. I'm sure those DAL gate(s) aren't cheap.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:37 pm

AC4500 wrote:
Chugach wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
Now only if AS would do this with PDX-STL...


Honestly not sure what the point is of a once weekly PDX-DAL for AS, aside from maybe gate squatting at DAL.

That's exactly what this is (gate squatting). I'm not even sure why AS bothers with DAL anymore, especially now that they have direct access to AA's DFW hub route network. I'm sure those DAL gate(s) aren't cheap.


One reason why AS is holding onto the gates at DAL is that AA was ordered to divest its DAL gates in order to get the AA-US merger approved, but AA will be able to regain access to the 2 gates at DAL that are leased to AA and currently used by AS in April 2024, which is two years away.

There are airlines other than AA/AS/DL/WN such as F9 or XP who could operate some flights out of the 2 gates currently used by AS at DAL.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:47 pm

Taking a look at Delta.com, it looks like DL has postponed both PDX-ICN and PDX-HND until fall 2022. One does have to wonder if these routes will ever get off the ground. AMS still looks to be resuming in May.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:13 pm

TransWorldOne wrote:
Taking a look at Delta.com, it looks like DL has postponed both PDX-ICN and PDX-HND until fall 2022. One does have to wonder if these routes will ever get off the ground. AMS still looks to be resuming in May.

Asia markets are still extremely depressed. Even for this coming summer. I hope things turn around by fall.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:13 pm

ANA787 wrote:
TransWorldOne wrote:
Taking a look at Delta.com, it looks like DL has postponed both PDX-ICN and PDX-HND until fall 2022. One does have to wonder if these routes will ever get off the ground. AMS still looks to be resuming in May.

Asia markets are still extremely depressed. Even for this coming summer. I hope things turn around by fall.


They also suspended HND-HNL/MSP/LAX and ICN-MSP.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:13 pm

Anyone heard anything about possible (re)launch of additional domestic DL routes, if I am remembering correctly DL operated various other routes out of PDX other than just to there primary hubs.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:16 am

pdxplanes837362 wrote:
Anyone heard anything about possible (re)launch of additional domestic DL routes, if I am remembering correctly DL operated various other routes out of PDX other than just to there primary hubs.

LAS was the only rumored route, but was supposed to be tied in with the HND route. Until DL starts HND and ICN, don’t see that happening, and probably iffy even then.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:33 am

pdxav8r wrote:
pdxplanes837362 wrote:
Anyone heard anything about possible (re)launch of additional domestic DL routes, if I am remembering correctly DL operated various other routes out of PDX other than just to there primary hubs.

LAS was the only rumored route, but was supposed to be tied in with the HND route. Until DL starts HND and ICN, don’t see that happening, and probably iffy even then.

DL had also operated LAS-SAN/SJC (and maybe some other routes) for quite some time before they even announced plans for LAS-PDX, and those routes aren't resuming either.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:36 am

TransWorldOne wrote:
Taking a look at Delta.com, it looks like DL has postponed both PDX-ICN and PDX-HND until fall 2022. One does have to wonder if these routes will ever get off the ground. AMS still looks to be resuming in May.

US-Asia demand is going to be depleted for a VERY long time. Business traffic just isn't there yet (and won't be for quite some time), and there are way too many COVID and political restrictions in place to stimulate leisure/VFR traffic.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:01 pm

Allegiant has extended PDX-DSM & PDX-GRR through October 30th. DSM 3x weekly, GRR 2x weekly.

DSM-PDX: 7:50 AM - 9:23 AM
PDX-DSM: 10:08 AM - 3:19 PM

GRR-PDX: 6:30 AM - 7:45 AM
PDX-GRR: 8:30 AM - 3:22 PM

Schedules are definitely more aligned for visiting traffic to the Portland area.

I think it would definitely be worth their while to try PDX-BNA/CVG/IND.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:13 pm

AC4500 wrote:
Allegiant has extended PDX-DSM & PDX-GRR through October 30th. DSM 3x weekly, GRR 2x weekly.

DSM-PDX: 7:50 AM - 9:23 AM
PDX-DSM: 10:08 AM - 3:19 PM

GRR-PDX: 6:30 AM - 7:45 AM
PDX-GRR: 8:30 AM - 3:22 PM

Schedules are definitely more aligned for visiting traffic to the Portland area.

I think it would definitely be worth their while to try PDX-BNA/CVG/IND.

I think so too. If not, Breeze I think would do well in PDX with their A220s and serving underserved nonstop markets.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Feb 18, 2022 7:35 pm

Just found an interesting recent schedule change from AS:

PDX-BOS will temporarily increase to 2x daily from April 19 through April 28. After some research, it looks like that week is actually spring break for most schools in Massachusetts. While it's obviously not uncommon for airlines to add more flights during peak travel periods, such as spring break, I find it interesting that AS expects a lot of visiting traffic from Boston to the Portland area, especially considering the fact that AS won't even by flying this route at all during Oregon's spring break...

Hopefully these plans stick, as I have family located in the Boston area and fly this route fairly often.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Feb 19, 2022 2:02 pm

Maybe that's a good sign that the local travel market is reviving, after 2 years of brutal press scaring visitors away.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Feb 19, 2022 2:15 pm

AC4500 wrote:
pdxav8r wrote:
pdxplanes837362 wrote:
Anyone heard anything about possible (re)launch of additional domestic DL routes, if I am remembering correctly DL operated various other routes out of PDX other than just to there primary hubs.

LAS was the only rumored route, but was supposed to be tied in with the HND route. Until DL starts HND and ICN, don’t see that happening, and probably iffy even then.

DL had also operated LAS-SAN/SJC (and maybe some other routes) for quite some time before they even announced plans for LAS-PDX, and those routes aren't resuming either.

I think both SAN-LAS and SJC-LAS are routes that would fit into the current AS model more than DL.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Mar 02, 2022 6:59 pm

Looks like it's dead before arrival , UA dropped summer plans for a RDM-ORD flight, as well as PSC ... sadly I was thinking this may happen. The only saving Grace is is the one A-320 mainline to Denver from Roberts Field. In the long run, the 600k secured for a DFW route from RDM, has yet to be spent. The hope is AA picks up a daily E175 on the route, even more important since the loss of ORD.

https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-New ... nal-routes
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:34 pm

RWA380 wrote:
Looks like it's dead before arrival , UA dropped summer plans for a RDM-ORD flight, as well as PSC ... sadly I was thinking this may happen. The only saving Grace is is the one A-320 mainline to Denver from Roberts Field.

https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-New ... nal-routes

Per this link (https://ktvz.com/news/redmond/2022/02/2 ... n-in-2019/), RDM airport officials stated:

“Although we hoped it would begin again this summer, United let us know they will not have it return,” Redmond Municipal Airport Director Zachary Bass said. “We are in constant conversation with United and hope to bring it back next summer, in 2023.”

Even with the mainline A320 DEN flight, it would be great if UA at least added an extra E175 DEN flight to offset the loss of RDM-ORD.

RWA380 wrote:
In the long run, the 600k secured for a DFW route from RDM, has yet to be spent. The hope is AA picks up a daily E175 on the route, even more important since the loss of ORD.

DFW-RDM is just a matter of time. DFW-EUG is now a mainline A319 year-round, which is definitely a good sign for the feasibility of DFW-RDM.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:45 pm

Flying non-stop out of PDX is getting really expensive.

Below is an example search I just did on Google Flights, comparing PDX and SEA side-by-side.
(And yes, I'm aware these our spring break dates, but I saw the similar differences with other random date combos I plugged in...)

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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:54 pm

Yep. There's no true competition and PDX get's a bunch of 737 to hubs.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:49 am

The problem is that there is very little ULCC presence at PDX. F9, NK and SY have all tried plenty of routes here, and the only ones that have stuck are to and from their core hubs (DEN/LAS for F9, LAS for NK, and MSP for SY).

From memory, I believe F9/NK/SY have flown the following routes in the past:

Frontier:
PDX-AUS
PDX-CLE
PDX-ORD
PDX-PHX
PDX-STL

Spirit:
PDX-ORD
PDX-DFW
PDX-DTW
PDX-LAX
PDX-SAN

Sun Country:
PDX-BNA
PDX-HNL
PDX-LAS
PDX-MSN
PDX-MCO
PDX-PSP
PDX-PHX
PDX-STL
PDX-SAT
PDX-SFO
PDX-SAN
PDX-SJD

SY even had legitimate aspirations for a focus city here, but COVID pretty much killed that.

On that note, AS does respond very well to competition here. During one of WN's crazy sales, PDX-SMF was $29 one-way and AS immediately matched WN's fares. In addition, B6 added PDX-FLL for $79 one-way and AS added the same route and even matched B6's fares. This retaliatory response likely scares off the ULCC airlines. The reason why this doesn't happen in Seattle is simply because SEA is a larger market with enough O&D to justify more flights at cheaper fares. However, I still think the Portland market is strong enough for another hub or focus city aside from AS. I think our best chance is for the merged F9/NK airline to give Portland another chance. At this point, I've pretty much given up on WN. They're still operating at less than 60% of their pre-COVID schedule at PDX, whereas they're nearly at 90% of their pre-COVID schedule in Seattle. SY is done here for good, and I'm not so sure about G4 in the long-run. Avelo probably won't open another west coast base for a long time, and Breeze isn't going to be interested in west coast routes until they get a healthy amount of A220s in their fleet--and I have a feeling that once Breeze does start west coast flights, the focus for them will be on California.

TLDR; PDX needs another major competitor against AS, and it's a shame that none of the ULCCs have been able to retain a strong operation here.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:14 am

AC4500 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
Looks like it's dead before arrival , UA dropped summer plans for a RDM-ORD flight, as well as PSC ... sadly I was thinking this may happen. The only saving Grace is is the one A-320 mainline to Denver from Roberts Field.

https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-New ... nal-routes

Per this link (https://ktvz.com/news/redmond/2022/02/2 ... n-in-2019/), RDM airport officials stated:

“Although we hoped it would begin again this summer, United let us know they will not have it return,” Redmond Municipal Airport Director Zachary Bass said. “We are in constant conversation with United and hope to bring it back next summer, in 2023.”

Even with the mainline A320 DEN flight, it would be great if UA at least added an extra E175 DEN flight to offset the loss of RDM-ORD.

RWA380 wrote:
In the long run, the 600k secured for a DFW route from RDM, has yet to be spent. The hope is AA picks up a daily E175 on the route, even more important since the loss of ORD.

DFW-RDM is just a matter of time. DFW-EUG is now a mainline A319 year-round, which is definitely a good sign for the feasibility of DFW-RDM.


With the tie up with AS, AA would be best to DFW, instead of UA to ORD, it was on an E-175 vs the A-320 to DEN. However the DEN morning departure is before 5:30am, but gives us 1 connection into RIC. Again I'd prefer flying AA, as our mileage is with AS.

But I won't turn an 8 hour journey into a 12-14hr journey via PHX & CLT. Now that I think DFW is happening sometime soon, I'd rather connect into RIC via DFW, making a much more appealing RDM-DFW-RIC routing.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:37 am

Remember hearing rumors pre-Covid (~2019) about a possibility of an expansion/remodel of the Delta Skyclub. Curious with travel looking like it’s on the rebound if those rumors a) Ever had any official background and b) if so, are those plans still being considered/on the table. Even over the last 6 months with Covid still heavily suppressing travel, I have gone in there at crazy hours and that club was still packed.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Mar 04, 2022 5:11 pm

I asked a few of the staff at the Delta Sky Club about the expansion rumors prior to COVID, and there was no confirmation then about an expansion or relocation. However, I believe there is a section on the south side of the current club that has been walled off. This area probably dates back to the original Northwest World Club. A simple and quick solution to crowding would be to re-open that area. Longer term, it sure would be nice to have something on par with the other west coast clubs.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:10 am

NW747 wrote:
I asked a few of the staff at the Delta Sky Club about the expansion rumors prior to COVID, and there was no confirmation then about an expansion or relocation. However, I believe there is a section on the south side of the current club that has been walled off. This area probably dates back to the original Northwest World Club. A simple and quick solution to crowding would be to re-open that area. Longer term, it sure would be nice to have something on par with the other west coast clubs.


This makes me very curious about what the future holds. With British Airways (OW) seeming likely to finally launch LHR in June and the south terminal dominating AS/AA duo (also OW) I wonder if eventually this could just result in a OneWorld Lounge or an even more expanded Alaska Lounge. Not to mention if JAL decides to join the fray as Delta has not served HND/NRT in over 2 years.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Mar 06, 2022 2:51 am

Any information out there on how Southwest is doing in Eugene? Still three flights / day but it's the off season.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:41 am

cschleic wrote:
Any information out there on how Southwest is doing in Eugene? Still three flights / day but it's the off season.


I heard pretty good to OAK, DEN I don't know. As you know, the airlines busy season is mid June, late August & the Holidays. Really I also hope WN looks at RDM in the future. OAK & DEN would be good.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:26 am

Out of curiosity, are the only widebody gates now at PDX the D gates at the end of the terminal and maybe D4 or D8? Does United still have a widebody capable gate at E2? I know pre-renovation E1 and E5 were capable. Does United still have container loaders at PDX? Also what’s the status of their hangar renovation on the ANG side.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:31 am

kunta67 wrote:
Out of curiosity, are the only widebody gates now at PDX the D gates at the end of the terminal and maybe D4 or D8? Does United still have a widebody capable gate at E2? I know pre-renovation E1 and E5 were capable. Does United still have container loaders at PDX? Also what’s the status of their hangar renovation on the ANG side.

I was just thinking the same thing, I could’ve sworn i’ve seen Delta 763s at D8 but cannot confirm. Does anyone have any official specs of gate capacities at PDX?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:47 am

RWA380 wrote:
cschleic wrote:
Any information out there on how Southwest is doing in Eugene? Still three flights / day but it's the off season.


I heard pretty good to OAK, DEN I don't know. As you know, the airlines busy season is mid June, late August & the Holidays. Really I also hope WN looks at RDM in the future. OAK & DEN would be good.

I don't think DEN has started yet. It's just OAK and LAS until June.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:05 am

pdxplanes837362 wrote:
kunta67 wrote:
Out of curiosity, are the only widebody gates now at PDX the D gates at the end of the terminal and maybe D4 or D8? Does United still have a widebody capable gate at E2? I know pre-renovation E1 and E5 were capable. Does United still have container loaders at PDX? Also what’s the status of their hangar renovation on the ANG side.

I was just thinking the same thing, I could’ve sworn i’ve seen Delta 763s at D8 but cannot confirm. Does anyone have any official specs of gate capacities at PDX?


Some of DL’s 763’s use D7, besides D11 and up. D8 isn’t a DL gate.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Mar 07, 2022 3:41 pm

pdxav8r wrote:
pdxplanes837362 wrote:
kunta67 wrote:
Out of curiosity, are the only widebody gates now at PDX the D gates at the end of the terminal and maybe D4 or D8? Does United still have a widebody capable gate at E2? I know pre-renovation E1 and E5 were capable. Does United still have container loaders at PDX? Also what’s the status of their hangar renovation on the ANG side.

I was just thinking the same thing, I could’ve sworn i’ve seen Delta 763s at D8 but cannot confirm. Does anyone have any official specs of gate capacities at PDX?


Some of DL’s 763’s use D7, besides D11 and up. D8 isn’t a DL gate.


Yeah now that i’m thinking of it i meant D7

Also this is just hypothetical, but out of curiosity what would be the largest airliner PDX could gate? If i do remember correctly Lufthansa operated 346’s which require quite some gate space.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:00 pm

I've departed on DL to ATL from D7 before. I know Hawaiian when they had the 763's would leave out of D4 and D10 when they had the flights to OGG and HNL. So I'm guessing the widebody capable gates right now are D4, D7, D10, D11, D12, D13, D14, and D15? Looking at google maps I'm curious if they kept E5 widebody capable? Does UA ever run widebody substitutions into PDX anymore?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:24 pm

AC4500 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
cschleic wrote:
Any information out there on how Southwest is doing in Eugene? Still three flights / day but it's the off season.


I heard pretty good to OAK, DEN I don't know. As you know, the airlines busy season is mid June, late August & the Holidays. Really I also hope WN looks at RDM in the future. OAK & DEN would be good.

I don't think DEN has started yet. It's just OAK and LAS until June.


Correct, no DEN yet, but that was be a nice add if it happens. LAS makes for a good connection point and destination itself.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:30 pm

kunta67 wrote:
I've departed on DL to ATL from D7 before. I know Hawaiian when they had the 763's would leave out of D4 and D10 when they had the flights to OGG and HNL. So I'm guessing the widebody capable gates right now are D4, D7, D10, D11, D12, D13, D14, and D15? Looking at google maps I'm curious if they kept E5 widebody capable? Does UA ever run widebody substitutions into PDX anymore?

UA hasn't flown widebodies into PDX for at least a decade. I've seen last-minute 757 substitutions once every blue moon on PDX-DEN and PDX-SFO, but nothing larger than that. They don't even fly widebodies into SEA either. Pre-COVID, I believe UA had plans to use the 777 on IAD-SEA but that never panned out.
 
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Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:41 pm

Gate D4 no longer exists. Was closed as part of the main terminal expansion.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:15 am

cschleic wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

I heard pretty good to OAK, DEN I don't know. As you know, the airlines busy season is mid June, late August & the Holidays. Really I also hope WN looks at RDM in the future. OAK & DEN would be good.

I don't think DEN has started yet. It's just OAK and LAS until June.


Correct, no DEN yet, but that was be a nice add if it happens. LAS makes for a good connection point and destination itself.


For anyone who is curious, the EUG airport statistics can be found here: https://www.eugene-or.gov/DocumentCenter/Index/547

I hadn't looked at these much since COVID but a quick glance at the last couple of months is interesting: WN muscled their way into second place, market-share-wise, for December, with a 79% load factor (lower than some others but still seems pretty good). AS was all the way back in fifth. But then in January AS is back to second, and load factors for all carriers are back down. I guess this is because WN tends to dominate leisure travel more than business, and that is obviously more prevalent during the holidays.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:57 am

AC4500 wrote:
kunta67 wrote:
I've departed on DL to ATL from D7 before. I know Hawaiian when they had the 763's would leave out of D4 and D10 when they had the flights to OGG and HNL. So I'm guessing the widebody capable gates right now are D4, D7, D10, D11, D12, D13, D14, and D15? Looking at google maps I'm curious if they kept E5 widebody capable? Does UA ever run widebody substitutions into PDX anymore?

UA hasn't flown widebodies into PDX for at least a decade. I've seen last-minute 757 substitutions once every blue moon on PDX-DEN and PDX-SFO, but nothing larger than that. They don't even fly widebodies into SEA either. Pre-COVID, I believe UA had plans to use the 777 on IAD-SEA but that never panned out.


Obviously not widebody but I had a booked and later cancelled flight on UA PDX-DEN in June 2020 that was a regularly scheduled 757-300. Was the 5:15am or similarly early departure.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:27 am

AS737MAX wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
kunta67 wrote:
I've departed on DL to ATL from D7 before. I know Hawaiian when they had the 763's would leave out of D4 and D10 when they had the flights to OGG and HNL. So I'm guessing the widebody capable gates right now are D4, D7, D10, D11, D12, D13, D14, and D15? Looking at google maps I'm curious if they kept E5 widebody capable? Does UA ever run widebody substitutions into PDX anymore?

UA hasn't flown widebodies into PDX for at least a decade. I've seen last-minute 757 substitutions once every blue moon on PDX-DEN and PDX-SFO, but nothing larger than that. They don't even fly widebodies into SEA either. Pre-COVID, I believe UA had plans to use the 777 on IAD-SEA but that never panned out.


Obviously not widebody but I had a booked and later cancelled flight on UA PDX-DEN in June 2020 that was a regularly scheduled 757-300. Was the 5:15am or similarly early departure.

Ah yes, UA had this flight scheduled way before the pandemic. I can't count how many times UA changed that flight to an A320 just a week or two before departure.
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