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sabby wrote:India to resume regular international flights from March 27
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nr ... 078951.cms
https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... 7-7807041/
pune wrote:TokyoImperialPa wrote:Does anyone think it is ludicrous to build airports in every Tier 2 and Tier 3 city as a near-future alternative to improving railway infrastructure?
I think it is better to focus on building large airports in Tier 1 cities for long haul and mid haul flights, which people would only take a few times a year, and instead improve the railways to Tier 2 and Tier 3 cities.
Surely it would not be profitable in the current climate to build airports in Tier 2 and Tier 3 cities and provide the middle income services that would otherwise be provided by the train?
After Adani took over many stations, some 10k Railway stations have been given the boot. So, what's gonna happen in those 10k places, first the services will be made less and less and once it is shown that the station is in losses, it will be closed. In other countries, they chose to nationalize, here we chose to privatize.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g63SJwFdGTQ&t=2340s
The whole video is fascinating even though it is of another industry altogether but it does parallel in many ways changes happening across industries.
Coming to the civil aviation topic, from almost all the people big and small, the word is 2023/24 for the bubble. The sad part is that the country still has a high omnicron caseload, till that doesn't come down sufficiently, and no other deadly variaitons start or come to India, we just won't know. And summer is just two months away so we will know within 40 odd days.
edealinfo wrote:1. How was your Vistara trip?
2. I travelled on Air India domestic "executive class". The cloth seats "looked" soiled/dirty that really put me off as I didn't feel "executive". I wonder if the economy seat was cleaner.
subramak1 wrote:First of all India does not have 10K stations. So what the heck are you talking about?
Best, Subramanian
BawliBooch wrote:
Dirty interiors on brand new planes are not an AI thing. All Indian carriers have had that problem!
edealinfo wrote:It would be great if there is research on the reasons for this. Dirty air? As in dust in the air that settles on the seta and over time just seeps into the materials?
BawliBooch wrote:subramak1 wrote:
First of all India does not have 10K stations. So what the heck are you talking about?
Best, Subramanian
Based on a Parliament reply from the UPA era - There 7273 stations on IR network with above ground platforms. Not counting the stations without platforms or platforms at ground level.
johhn14 wrote:Anyone have any insight on how the new terminal in BLR is progressing? It’s hard to find any current info (or I’m looking in the wrong places!!).
BawliBooch wrote:edealinfo wrote:It would be great if there is research on the reasons for this. Dirty air? As in dust in the air that settles on the seta and over time just seeps into the materials?
I have a theory but would refrain from discussing those here!
BawliBooch wrote:edealinfo wrote:1. How was your Vistara trip?
2. I travelled on Air India domestic "executive class". The cloth seats "looked" soiled/dirty that really put me off as I didn't feel "executive". I wonder if the economy seat was cleaner.
It was ok! But overall felt slightly letdown. Seats in 2-3-2 layout were very comfortable but no hot meals or beverage round on a 8 hour flight in PY? Just a cold bread roll. It would have been tasty if it was atleast at room temperature! Air India on the return was better - one hot meal and one snack along with 2 beverage rounds - in economy. Also, the Air India crew were more friendly overall. The Vistara crew made us feel like they were doing us a favor!
The biggest disappointment however was the filthy seats. My husband has a habit of wiping down airline seats with those alcohol-tissue thingies. Turned up absolutely dirty even after 2 rounds of wipe down! Ugh! Had to ask him to stop because people were staring! I thought Vistara atleast would buck the trend with Indian carriers on that count. But no!
This was 6 months before Tata acquired AI but they look like a match made in heaven!
Dirty interiors on brand new planes are not an AI thing. All Indian carriers have had that problem!
blrBird wrote:johhn14 wrote:Anyone have any insight on how the new terminal in BLR is progressing? It’s hard to find any current info (or I’m looking in the wrong places!!).
Slow progress, BIAL keep saying that the terminal will open Q3 2022, but very unlikely. There seems to be lot of work left as you can see from the latest google image from the below post.
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/bengaluru-kempegowda-international-airport-blr.644756/post-177797989
Ytraveller wrote:I was wondering, will UA (& AA) really end up starting service to BLR? Especially now that they can't use Russian airspace. UA said 2 weeks ago it was planning to start SFO-BLR in October...
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisc ... ussia.html
I see that AI uses Russian airspace when flying from SFO to BLR but not on the return flight.
SATexan wrote:Qantas announces 4 weekly Sydney - Bengaluru flight eff September 14, 2022 on an A330.
https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ia-flights
VTORD wrote:SATexan wrote:Qantas announces 4 weekly Sydney - Bengaluru flight eff September 14, 2022 on an A330.
https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ia-flights
I am assuming based on the article that arrival in BLR will be 3:30 PMish? Should work great for connections I would think.
RMTAviation wrote:Does anybody know what's going on in the Indian Aviation Market? It seems like the only airline operating their routes are IndiGo. Kochi usually gets a lot of flights from many airlines, and they are still listed as destinations, but Air India is only flying BOM, DEL, and LHR right now, and SpiceJet is only flying DXB, even GoFirst is barely flying a small portion of it's route network from COK. What is happening?
pune wrote:Air India Employees quarters given to Adani and they are moving to Bombay HC to protest the same -
https://hr.economictimes.indiatimes.com ... n/90913483
These are the same people or almost 90% of them who voted for the BJP in the center.
What a play they did, give Air India to Tatas and then give the employees quarters to Adani, soon most of the employees would be fired adding to the record joblessness we have in India.
RMTAviation wrote:So for the near future, basically any Indian domestic travel will have to connect though BOM/DEL unless Indigo? That's sad to see then, also explains why COK only has only 1-2 destinations from SpiceJet, Go First, Vistara, Air India, AirAsia India, etc.
DIJKKIJK wrote:RMTAviation wrote:So for the near future, basically any Indian domestic travel will have to connect though BOM/DEL unless Indigo? That's sad to see then, also explains why COK only has only 1-2 destinations from SpiceJet, Go First, Vistara, Air India, AirAsia India, etc.
Not really. Its just that 6E has more flights than the others and this can be attributed to their (over) capacity. After all they need to operate their 300 odd aircraft somewhere.
On a recent trip to India, I couldn't help observing the large number of 6E planes simply sunning on the tarmac in airports like BOM and HYD. I'm sure they have a huge excess in capacity and this will definitely come back to bite them.
And they still have over 300 A321 Neos in order!
RMTAviation wrote:
India has over 1.3 billion people, and as they are rapidly developing/urbanizing, more and more people will be in the air. Although 300 might seem like a lot compared to other airlines in India, considering the amount of people and future growth that will occur, the 1000ish total commercial airplanes in India only has like 10-20% of the capacity of other less populated population centers, such as America, Europe, China, Australia, Middle Easter, etc.
After the pandemic recovery, IndiGo will be making billions with their 700 aircraft, while the other airlines are going to struggle with capacity. It may bite in the near term due to the ongoing world crisis, but long term, IndiGo has the brightest future of any airline in India in my opinion.
DIJKKIJK wrote:RMTAviation wrote:So for the near future, basically any Indian domestic travel will have to connect though BOM/DEL unless Indigo? That's sad to see then, also explains why COK only has only 1-2 destinations from SpiceJet, Go First, Vistara, Air India, AirAsia India, etc.
Not really. Its just that 6E has more flights than the others and this can be attributed to their (over) capacity. After all they need to operate their 300 odd aircraft somewhere.
On a recent trip to India, I couldn't help observing the large number of 6E planes simply sunning on the tarmac in airports like BOM and HYD. I'm sure they have a huge excess in capacity and this will definitely come back to bite them.
And they still have over 300 A321 Neos in order!
DIJKKIJK wrote:RMTAviation wrote:
India has over 1.3 billion people, and as they are rapidly developing/urbanizing, more and more people will be in the air. Although 300 might seem like a lot compared to other airlines in India, considering the amount of people and future growth that will occur, the 1000ish total commercial airplanes in India only has like 10-20% of the capacity of other less populated population centers, such as America, Europe, China, Australia, Middle Easter, etc.
After the pandemic recovery, IndiGo will be making billions with their 700 aircraft, while the other airlines are going to struggle with capacity. It may bite in the near term due to the ongoing world crisis, but long term, IndiGo has the brightest future of any airline in India in my opinion.
We've been hearing all this for a while now.
IndiGo has survived so far largely by pushing everyone else out with their aggressive capacity addition. Their model has worked for them, but whether it will continue is the biggest question.
Don't forget that IndiGo's biggest competition are now the Tatas, and not the clueless babus at the MoCA who have to be reminded everyday that there are airports other than DEL and BOM in India. With AIX and Air Asia under their belt in the LCC sector, the Tatas are likely to do something dramatic. I expect a huge aircraft order from them soon. And then there will be new entrants like Akasa. The LCC scene is going to get a lot more exciting in India, and a lot tougher for IndiGo.
hohd wrote:The way the things are, it could be difficult even for Tatas to dislodge IndiGo. Only another LCC like Akasa may have a chance. IndiGo is the only player on many non-trunk routes, but to their credit they have kept the fares in check so it is not expensive to fly even if they are only player on a route. Indigo realized long time ago (along with Spicejet) to concentrate on cities other than BOM, DEL and BLR.
hohd wrote:DIJKKIJK wrote:RMTAviation wrote:
India has over 1.3 billion people, and as they are rapidly developing/urbanizing, more and more people will be in the air. Although 300 might seem like a lot compared to other airlines in India, considering the amount of people and future growth that will occur, the 1000ish total commercial airplanes in India only has like 10-20% of the capacity of other less populated population centers, such as America, Europe, China, Australia, Middle Easter, etc.
After the pandemic recovery, IndiGo will be making billions with their 700 aircraft, while the other airlines are going to struggle with capacity. It may bite in the near term due to the ongoing world crisis, but long term, IndiGo has the brightest future of any airline in India in my opinion.
We've been hearing all this for a while now.
IndiGo has survived so far largely by pushing everyone else out with their aggressive capacity addition. Their model has worked for them, but whether it will continue is the biggest question.
Don't forget that IndiGo's biggest competition are now the Tatas, and not the clueless babus at the MoCA who have to be reminded everyday that there are airports other than DEL and BOM in India. With AIX and Air Asia under their belt in the LCC sector, the Tatas are likely to do something dramatic. I expect a huge aircraft order from them soon. And then there will be new entrants like Akasa. The LCC scene is going to get a lot more exciting in India, and a lot tougher for IndiGo.
The way the things are, it could be difficult even for Tatas to dislodge IndiGo. Only another LCC like Akasa may have a chance. IndiGo is the only player on many non-trunk routes, but to their credit they have kept the fares in check so it is not expensive to fly even if they are only player on a route. Indigo realized long time ago (along with Spicejet) to concentrate on cities other than BOM, DEL and BLR.
SkyEye350 wrote:What are the odds that PNQ will get international flights now that airlines like SQ, CX, MH ans QR are getting newer efficient narrow bodies?
blrBird wrote:SkyEye350 wrote:What are the odds that PNQ will get international flights now that airlines like SQ, CX, MH ans QR are getting newer efficient narrow bodies?
This requires bilateral changes, for unknown reason MH Govt has not been proactive in getting PNQ as point of call for foreign carriers.
blrBird wrote:SkyEye350 wrote:What are the odds that PNQ will get international flights now that airlines like SQ, CX, MH ans QR are getting newer efficient narrow bodies?
This requires bilateral changes, for unknown reason MH Govt has not been proactive in getting PNQ as point of call for foreign carriers.
RMTAviation wrote:PNQ does not have immigration facilities at the moment, right?
RMTAviation wrote:
PNQ does not have immigration facilities at the moment, right?
VTORD wrote:
I am pretty sure PNQ's had international flights before. 9W used to have a flight to AUH as part of the Etihad alliance although I am not sure if they had DXB as well at the same time. They had at least announced a PNQ-SIN (2017-18is but don't hold me to it - too lazy to dig out) and I know for a fact that in the 2007 time frame IC used to have a SHJ-PNQ I think on a A300.
BuildingMyBento wrote:VTORD wrote:
I am pretty sure PNQ's had international flights before. 9W used to have a flight to AUH as part of the Etihad alliance although I am not sure if they had DXB as well at the same time. They had at least announced a PNQ-SIN (2017-18is but don't hold me to it - too lazy to dig out) and I know for a fact that in the 2007 time frame IC used to have a SHJ-PNQ I think on a A300.
IIRC, there was an LH flight to PNQ some years back.
BuildingMyBento wrote:VTORD wrote:
I am pretty sure PNQ's had international flights before. 9W used to have a flight to AUH as part of the Etihad alliance although I am not sure if they had DXB as well at the same time. They had at least announced a PNQ-SIN (2017-18is but don't hold me to it - too lazy to dig out) and I know for a fact that in the 2007 time frame IC used to have a SHJ-PNQ I think on a A300.
IIRC, there was an LH flight to PNQ some years back.
BuildingMyBento wrote:
IIRC, there was an LH flight to PNQ some years back.
atal17 wrote:At its height, in terms of frequencies, Pune handled a daily flight to Abu Dhabi and Singapore from Jet Airways, daily flight to Dubai from Spicejet and a 3 weekly flight to Dubai from Air India Express.
Currently only Spicejet is operating their Dubai flight. I’m hoping Vistara decides to take up the Pune-Singapore route (in conjunction with Singapore Airlines). There may even be hope for a Pune-Doha/Dubai from IndiGo (provided there are enough bilateral rights)