Swiss Aviation Thread - 2022

TUGMASTER · Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:50 am

Any input from members greatly received.

Current LX A340 short haul routes ex ZRH…???

davidjohnson6 · Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:19 am

TUGMASTER wrote:
Any input from members greatly received.

Current LX A340 short haul routes ex ZRH…???

Have you tried a combination of looking at planespotters or airfleets to get the list of A340 aircraft operated by Swiss, and then putting the aircraft egistrations into FR24 to see where they fly ?

TUGMASTER · Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:51 am

Yep.. they all look like they’re back on long haul duties…
Just wondered if there are any plans for short haul this summer really.?

Have had a few ZRH -GVA 340’s cancelled pre Covid.

davidjohnson6 · Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:55 am

You could try flight WK246/WK247

330lover · Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:35 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
Any input from members greatly received.

Current LX A340 short haul routes ex ZRH…???

Have you tried a combination of looking at planespotters or airfleets to get the list of A340 aircraft operated by Swiss, and then putting the aircraft egistrations into FR24 to see where they fly ?

Or even easier: take a look at this website and then click on the registration, which will give the the FR24 results directly.
https://sites.google.com/view/europeana ... /swr/lxswr

TUGMASTER · Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:54 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
You could try flight WK246/WK247

Wow… there’s a right old mix of ships running that flight, everything except a A340 the past week.

HBJZA · Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:57 am

pmartin wrote:
https://newsroom.gva.ch/en/download/1160950/carnet-cap-2030.pdf
https://newsroom.gva.ch/en/download/116 ... r-16-1.pdf
On the subject of the modernisation of Swiss airports, GVA is launching a process to replace and rebuild the main terminal.

Thanks for sharing. Looks great for this long due project! All the work will be complicated while keeping the terminal operational but final result will be more than needed!

SR380 · Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:56 am

Did I miss something or did LX ordered 5 a350s?

DALCE · Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:14 am

LX currently does not operate any longhaul equipment on short haul flights. They are put where they belong, which is on the long haul. An exceptional operational upgrade could always happen,but is not foreseen at the moment.

stylo777 · Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:39 pm

HB-JHF, an A330-300 was in ATH yesterday, but as DALCE pointed it out - it is just an exceptional aircraft swap for operational reasons. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/hb-jhf

PhilInBRN · Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:36 pm

SR380 wrote:
Did I miss something or did LX ordered 5 a350s?

No official announcement has been made so far (A350‘would probably be allocated from the LH order). Only rumours to this point.

rukundo · Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:29 pm

I have just seen this photo of the display screens at Brussels airport, took on June 25, 2022. https://scontent-cdt1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=62C3E21C

Swiss International Air Lines has started code sharing on Brussels Airlines Africa flights. We can see the flight BRU-Kigali-Entebbe and BRU-Ouagadougou-Abidjan

All destinations are concerned except Kinshasa.

Code share before the opening of routes to Africa from LX? Long time before the covid the CEO of LX said that he was interested in using his A321Neo on Africa where the A330 / A340 or B777 are too big. Swissair in the past had a large network in Africa

In Kenya and Tanzania LX seems now focused on Leisure destinations with Edelweiss Air that serves Mombasa and Zanzibar "replacing" Nairobi and Dar Es Salaam previously served by LX before the covid

Swiss eyes narrowbodies for Africa, but longhaul cargo market won't be affected 2017: https://theloadstar.com/swiss-eyes-afri ... go-market/

DALCE · Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:11 pm

well, everything changed in aviation over the last few years. Not only Covid changed much, but also the hate-campaign towards aviation more recently will have an effect on the strategies played by various airlines. Within LH group to me it makes total sense to code-share and funnel the pax through BRU in stead of starting ZRH-africa flights with Euro biz equiped 321neo's.
Swiss in it's own rights has other challenges with the current network and as Swiss announced further cut backs on the frequencies, expansions will be even more well balanced and calculated than before. The industry hasn't seen the worst yet I fear.

Blerg · Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:14 pm

Air Canada shortens its summer seasonal YVR-ZRH. Initially it was supposed to operate until 10th September but now it's until 10th October.

I guess demand is softer than initially expected.

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220630-acsep22zrh

54678264582 · Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:23 pm

Blerg wrote:
Air Canada shortens its summer seasonal YVR-ZRH. Initially it was supposed to operate until 10th September but now it's until 10th October.

I guess demand is softer than initially expected.

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220630-acsep22zrh

Yet it’s going out full lately, guess it depends on the day

Blerg · Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:20 am

777luver wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Air Canada shortens its summer seasonal YVR-ZRH. Initially it was supposed to operate until 10th September but now it's until 10th October.

I guess demand is softer than initially expected.

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220630-acsep22zrh

Yet it’s going out full lately, guess it depends on the day

I guess once busy summer months pass demand drops. From what I heard YVR-Europe is generally very seasonal. I suppose there aren't that many European expats living there as is the case with Toronto for example.

SpaceshipDC10 · Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:34 am

Blerg wrote:
777luver wrote:
I guess once busy summer months pass demand drops. From what I heard YVR-Europe is generally very seasonal. I suppose there aren't that many European expats living there as is the case with Toronto for example.

Lets see 2019 numbers on that matter.

January: 74,716

May: 173,437
June: 230,183
July: 251,199
August: 260,976
September: 221,492
October: 138,736
November: 69,697

That was during the last year so far of normal ops at YVR with the continuous up trend.

debonair · Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:58 am

The new Geneva based French airline L'Odyssey took off to the French skies:

https://lodyssey.ch/en/
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/yl-ral

Blerg · Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:05 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
777luver wrote:
I guess once busy summer months pass demand drops. From what I heard YVR-Europe is generally very seasonal. I suppose there aren't that many European expats living there as is the case with Toronto for example.

Lets see 2019 numbers on that matter.

January: 74,716

May: 173,437
June: 230,183
July: 251,199
August: 260,976
September: 221,492
October: 138,736
November: 69,697

That was during the last year so far of normal ops at YVR with the continuous up trend.

Quite a drop from September onward. Do you know the frequency and capacity they had back then?

SpaceshipDC10 · Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:41 pm

Blerg wrote:
Quite a drop from September onward. Do you know the frequency and capacity they had back then?

ZRH had 5x weekly 788 with AC, as the second summer service, up from 3, if I remember well.

Out of the back of my mind, during summer I believe you would see LH to FRA and MUC daily with 747 and 350; KLM 747 or 777 daily; BA 747 daily; AC to DUB, FRA (daily), LHR (2x daily), AF 772; TS a couple of times weekly to LGW (A330 & A310?); WS several times weekly summer only with 767 or 787. I guess Condor too, like this year.

54678264582 · Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:30 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Quite a drop from September onward. Do you know the frequency and capacity they had back then?

ZRH had 5x weekly 788 with AC, as the second summer service, up from 3, if I remember well.

Out of the back of my mind, during summer I believe you would see LH to FRA and MUC daily with 747 and 350; KLM 747 or 777 daily; BA 747 daily; AC to DUB, FRA (daily), LHR (2x daily), AF 772; TS a couple of times weekly to LGW (A330 & A310?); WS several times weekly summer only with 767 or 787. I guess Condor too, like this year.

BA now has their A380 flying to YVR, and Edelweiss is back with their A340

SpaceshipDC10 · Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:04 pm

777luver wrote:
BA now has their A380 flying to YVR, and Edelweiss is back with their A340

Perhaps BA already flew théier A380 then.

WK is flying 3x tImes weekly to YVR + 5x weekly AC882/883, quite some traffic with ZRH. Were there any flights back in the days of Swissair & Balair?

PhilInBRN · Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:22 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
777luver wrote:
BA now has their A380 flying to YVR, and Edelweiss is back with their A340

Perhaps BA already flew théier A380 then.

WK is flying 3x tImes weekly to YVR + 5x weekly AC882/883, quite some traffic with ZRH. Were there any flights back in the days of Swissair & Balair?

Western Canada is an extremely popular destination with Swiss outbound tourists - which explains the substantial capacity in Summer on this route.

This year though, Edelweiss has coupled YVR flights with YYC, therefore decreasing available capacity to YVR slightly.

It would be great if the direct flights could be maintained 2-3x weekly in Winter as well. There are quite a few Swiss who like to go skiing in the Rockies. In addition, YVR can also serve as a connecting point to Hawaii.

SpaceshipDC10 · Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:21 pm

PhilInBRN wrote:
This year though, Edelweiss has coupled YVR flights with YYC, therefore decreasing available capacity to YVR slightly.

Huh? From what I've seen online, YVR and YYC have each their own flight WK10 and WK14 respectively. But I did notice that Edelweiss is down to four long-haul aircraft, with a rather tight schedule.

PhilInBRN · Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:23 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
PhilInBRN wrote:
This year though, Edelweiss has coupled YVR flights with YYC, therefore decreasing available capacity to YVR slightly.

Huh? From what I've seen online, YVR and YYC have each their own flight WK10 and WK14 respectively. But I did notice that Edelweiss is down to four long-haul aircraft, with a rather tight schedule.

I stand corrected. The triangular routing was flown only in June as WK was down to only three A343s due to one aircraft being in maintenance.
There is talk in Swiss media that Edelweiss might expand its longhaul fleet again to 5 or 6 aircraft in order to serve more destinations and higher frequencies starting with the upcoming winter schedule.

stylo777 · Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:21 am

PhilInBRN wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
PhilInBRN wrote:
This year though, Edelweiss has coupled YVR flights with YYC, therefore decreasing available capacity to YVR slightly.

Huh? From what I've seen online, YVR and YYC have each their own flight WK10 and WK14 respectively. But I did notice that Edelweiss is down to four long-haul aircraft, with a rather tight schedule.

I stand corrected. The triangular routing was flown only in June as WK was down to only three A343s due to one aircraft being in maintenance.
There is talk in Swiss media that Edelweiss might expand its longhaul fleet again to 5 or 6 aircraft in order to serve more destinations and higher frequencies starting with the upcoming winter schedule.

They probably would if the crewing situation hasn't been that critical as it is. But the local tour operators cry for capacity and it would be in WK's best interest to create that capacity soon. The question remains how they are going to achieve that with 2x 333's having left for 4Y. Only the LX ones parked at AMM seem like a shortterm solution and also here rumours are around that LH is eyeing on reactivating these to deploy in their own network.

PHB1997 · Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:02 pm

Regarding the LX GVA operation - it seems to be going quite well since the A220 took over operations of flights, however demand is very high on key leisure routes and capacity is scarce. Even on LHR runs, every flight I have been on in the past 3 months has been full. Is there a chance that we will see the return of A320 and A321 ops in GVA to expand capacity on key routes? Seems silly to just give money away to the competition!

DALCE · Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:16 am

no, part of the success in GVA is the single type operation. Don't see it changing soon. Perhaps time to give Airbus a call for some A220-500's

MartijnNL · Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:10 pm

PhilInBRN wrote:
There are quite a few Swiss who like to go skiing in the Rockies.

What's wrong with skiing in their own Alps? :shock:

330lover · Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:50 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
PhilInBRN wrote:
There are quite a few Swiss who like to go skiing in the Rockies.

What's wrong with skiing in their own Alps?

Status, I would say.
Sounds much nicer, go skiing in the Rockies in stead of skiing only 100 kms from home...

stylo777 · Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:57 pm

New LX destination eff. this winter:
"New to the SWISS network will be Bristol in Southern England, served from Zurich. The services initiated this summer to Bologna, Nantes, Sofia and Vilnius will also be continued in the winter timetable period.(...)"

https://swiss.newsmarket.com/english/pr ... 67269f168f

DALCE · Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:16 pm

Apparently there seem to be rumours that one extra A340 will be transferred from SWISS to Edelweiss for the winterseason.
Also 1 A330 would be re-activated to compensate. A surprising move which makes sense in a way

Blerg · Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:47 am

LX network changes for the upcoming winter season.

Zurich – Beijing Daxing Service removed in NW22
Zurich – Dubai eff 09JAN23 A330-300 replaces 777-300ER (Already filed in recent schedule update)
Zurich – Montreal Reduce from 7 to 6 weekly, A330-300
Zurich – Mumbai 6 of 7 weekly A330-300 replaces A340-300
Zurich – New York JFK 05NOV22 – 20DEC22 Reduce from 2 to 1 daily
Zurich – San Francisco Reduce from 7 to 6 weekly, 777-300ER
Zurich – Shanghai Pu Dong 1 weekly A340-300
Zurich – Singapore Reduce from 7 to 6 weekly, 777-300ER
Zurich – Tokyo Narita Reduce from 7 to 5 weekly, 777-300ER

https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220707-lxnw22lh

deltatrav · Fri Jul 08, 2022 3:34 pm

Any intel on if the A330's will get cabin refresh (to match the 343)?

stylo777 · Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:31 pm

deltatrav wrote:
Any intel on if the A330's will get cabin refresh (to match the 343)?

No intel, but I highly doubt it will happen anytime soon.
As far as I remember, the cabin refresh of the 5 A343's took quite a while due to certification and seat supply delays. On top, it cost round about 100 million CHF.
Back in 2019 this investment made (kind of...) sense considering the projected usage time for the subfleet was going beyond 2025.
Of course, the currently active 9 A333s aren't that old, aging from 9 to 13 years, but it will be for sure an even bigger investment. Money, which LX at the moment doesn't have.

HBChris · Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:01 pm

I was curious how many flights here are at the moment compared to 2019 and since I was anyway collecting flight data of LX/WK/2L I made some statistics. Thought I'd post it here since it might be of interest for others too. It's 21 days now and 21 days exactly 3 years ago. So only a short period at the moment because I don't have the data for earlier in 2022.

Summary:

Number of LX flights is about 71% of the number in 2019 for narrow-bodies and 64% for wide-bodies. The current limitation is mostly crew availability
Even with a couple of planes still in storage at AMM, the utilisation of the remaining active fleet is also lower than in 2019. So with the currently active airplanes, a lot more flights could be done
WK is operating more flights with narrow-bodies than in the comparison period in 2019. With the A343 they are also doing slightly more flights, but of course in 2019 they still had the 2 A333 so there were more wide-body flights in total.
2L also has more flights than in 2019, but with a lot more aircraft (16 vs 11). According to media reports they are also limited by crew availability. Almost all flights by 2L are actually operated for LX.

*** 2022-06-16 - 2022-07-06 ***
LX  BCS1 -  9 a/c ( 8 active) -  830 flights,  4.39 flights in  6.25 h per a/c and day (total) / 4.94 in  7.03 h (active)
LX  BCS3 - 21 a/c (21 active) - 1734 flights,  3.93 flights in  5.86 h per a/c and day (total) / 3.93 in  5.86 h (active)
LX  A320 - 13 a/c ( 9 active) -  841 flights,  3.08 flights in  4.20 h per a/c and day (total) / 4.45 in  6.07 h (active)
LX  A20N -  6 a/c ( 6 active) -  640 flights,  5.08 flights in  7.67 h per a/c and day (total) / 5.08 in  7.67 h (active)
LX  A321 -  8 a/c ( 8 active) -  704 flights,  4.19 flights in  6.71 h per a/c and day (total) / 4.19 in  6.71 h (active)
LX  A21N -  2 a/c ( 2 active) -  156 flights,  3.71 flights in  8.80 h per a/c and day (total) / 3.71 in  8.80 h (active)
LX  A333 - 14 a/c ( 9 active) -  320 flights,  1.09 flights in  8.03 h per a/c and day (total) / 1.69 in 12.49 h (active)
LX  A343 -  5 a/c ( 5 active) -  108 flights,  1.03 flights in  9.92 h per a/c and day (total) / 1.03 in  9.92 h (active)
LX  B77W - 12 a/c (12 active) -  276 flights,  1.10 flights in 11.19 h per a/c and day (total) / 1.10 in 11.19 h (active)
WK  A320 - 12 a/c (12 active) - 1003 flights,  3.98 flights in  9.60 h per a/c and day (total) / 3.98 in  9.60 h (active)
WK  A343 -  4 a/c ( 4 active) -  149 flights,  1.77 flights in 15.50 h per a/c and day (total) / 1.77 in 15.50 h (active)
2L  E190 -  4 a/c ( 4 active) -  348 flights,  4.14 flights in  5.18 h per a/c and day (total) / 4.14 in  5.18 h (active)
2L  E290 -  8 a/c ( 8 active) -  766 flights,  4.56 flights in  5.32 h per a/c and day (total) / 4.56 in  5.32 h (active)
2L  E295 -  4 a/c ( 4 active) -  471 flights,  5.61 flights in  6.66 h per a/c and day (total) / 5.61 in  6.66 h (active)

Aggregated by narrow-body (NB) and wide-body (WB)
LX    NB - 59 a/c (54 active) - 4905 flights,  3.96 flights in  5.95 h per a/c and day (total) / 4.33 in  6.50 h (active)
LX    WB - 31 a/c (26 active) -  704 flights,  1.08 flights in  9.56 h per a/c and day (total) / 1.29 in 11.40 h (active)
WK    NB - 12 a/c (12 active) - 1003 flights,  3.98 flights in  9.60 h per a/c and day (total) / 3.98 in  9.60 h (active)
WK    WB -  4 a/c ( 4 active) -  149 flights,  1.77 flights in 15.50 h per a/c and day (total) / 1.77 in 15.50 h (active)
2L    NB - 16 a/c (16 active) - 1585 flights,  4.72 flights in  5.62 h per a/c and day (total) / 4.72 in  5.62 h (active)



*** 2019-06-16 - 2019-07-06 ***
LX  BCS1 -  8 a/c ( 8 active) -  940 flights,  5.60 flights in  6.33 h per a/c and day (total) / 5.60 in  6.33 h (active)
LX  BCS3 - 20 a/c (20 active) - 2194 flights,  5.22 flights in  7.08 h per a/c and day (total) / 5.22 in  7.08 h (active)
LX  A319 -  3 a/c ( 3 active) -  390 flights,  6.19 flights in  7.64 h per a/c and day (total) / 6.19 in  7.64 h (active)
LX  A320 - 19 a/c (19 active) - 2318 flights,  5.81 flights in  7.65 h per a/c and day (total) / 5.81 in  7.65 h (active)
LX  A321 -  9 a/c ( 9 active) - 1016 flights,  5.38 flights in  8.77 h per a/c and day (total) / 5.38 in  8.77 h (active)
LX  A333 - 14 a/c (14 active) -  621 flights,  2.11 flights in 15.45 h per a/c and day (total) / 2.11 in 15.45 h (active)
LX  A343 -  5 a/c ( 5 active) -  142 flights,  1.35 flights in 12.67 h per a/c and day (total) / 1.35 in 12.67 h (active)
LX  B77W - 10 a/c (10 active) -  323 flights,  1.54 flights in 15.03 h per a/c and day (total) / 1.54 in 15.03 h (active)
WK  A320 - 10 a/c (10 active) -  866 flights,  4.12 flights in  9.76 h per a/c and day (total) / 4.12 in  9.76 h (active)
WK  A333 -  2 a/c ( 2 active) -   69 flights,  1.64 flights in 15.28 h per a/c and day (total) / 1.64 in 15.28 h (active)
WK  A343 -  4 a/c ( 4 active) -  131 flights,  1.56 flights in 15.80 h per a/c and day (total) / 1.56 in 15.80 h (active)
2L  E190 - 11 a/c (11 active) - 1493 flights,  6.46 flights in  6.34 h per a/c and day (total) / 6.46 in  6.34 h (active)

Aggregated by narrow-body (NB) and wide-body (WB)
LX    NB - 59 a/c (59 active) - 6858 flights,  5.54 flights in  7.45 h per a/c and day (total) / 5.54 in  7.45 h (active)
LX    WB - 29 a/c (29 active) - 1086 flights,  1.78 flights in 14.82 h per a/c and day (total) / 1.78 in 14.82 h (active)
WK    NB - 10 a/c (10 active) -  866 flights,  4.12 flights in  9.76 h per a/c and day (total) / 4.12 in  9.76 h (active)
WK    WB -  6 a/c ( 6 active) -  200 flights,  1.59 flights in 15.62 h per a/c and day (total) / 1.59 in 15.62 h (active)
2L    NB - 11 a/c (11 active) - 1493 flights,  6.46 flights in  6.34 h per a/c and day (total) / 6.46 in  6.34 h (active)

Small print:
The data might not be 100% correct. It includes also non-commercial flights (repositioning, flight to maintanance, test flights). The airline stated is always the one operating the aircraft, not the one it's operated for (e.g. a WK flight operated by an LX A320 will be counted on the LX A320 line).
The total number of airplanes includes the ones stored at AMM. Active means that a plane had at least one flight during the analysis period. If an airplane did not have any flight in that timeframe, it is not counted as active, regardless of the reason (maintanance, long-term storage, AOG, ...).

DALCE · Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:37 pm

deltatrav wrote:
Any intel on if the A330's will get cabin refresh (to match the 343)?

Why not move the removed refreshed 343 cabin straight into one of the 330’s. One frame less to update.
The 330’s have a tired cabin, c-class seats look worn out , y-seats died years ago.
In nice words…. A sub par experience

SANFan · Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:12 pm

PhilInBRN wrote:
There is talk in Swiss media that Edelweiss might expand its longhaul fleet again to 5 or 6 aircraft in order to serve more destinations and higher frequencies starting with the upcoming winter schedule.

I'm curious about SAN-ZRH returning (on WK.) Do you have any information or rumors... or even hunches, if this route might be one to be restarted when the fleet grows?
I never saw any official data on how the route did since it started in June 2017 but it only operated thru the 2019 season, then Covid took over the world. I've heard a few scattered comments that WK was hoping/expecting to resume flying the route in 2023 but those were months ago.

LH has returned to SAN so we know they are happy (I assume) with the market, at least for Germany service. I was under the impression that Edelweiss was pretty pleased with the traffic they carried to very Southern California when they flew it! I miss that wild, colorful livery at SAN, especially worn on an A343!

Thanks in advance for your (or anyone else's) thoughts on the subject.

bb

LXA340 · Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:33 pm

deltatrav wrote:
Any intel on if the A330's will get cabin refresh (to match the 343)?

What also seems not finalized yet is the actual plan for the A333 in the LX Fleet. Once scenario is that the A333's in the LX fleet will be transfered to other LH Group airlines and LX will replace the entire A333 fleet sooner than later with A359's, hence if this is the case and supposed to happen over the next 3 years then a Refurbishment makes no sense. If the A333's should stay until around 2030 then by next year it gets time to start the refurbishmet project.

A359bw · Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:46 pm

At least 9 A330s will remain with Swiss. The new PE seats have already been ordered for them.

flyingphil · Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:26 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
L'Odyssey to fly from Geneva to Bergerac, Deauville, Dinard, London-City and Toulon during July, August and September. Flights are operated by a Saab 340 from RAF Avia
Fares are not cheap
https://lodyssey.ch/

So the initial Deauville to London-City flight has ended in an embarrassing failure.
According to my local Facebook group.. there were No bookings so the start was postponed .
On 8 July 10 passengers turned up at London City to await the inbound SAAB 340.
It was to be operated by YL-RAL of RAF-Avia.
So.. it turns out the aircraft is not steep approach certified ,, LCY has a 5.5' glideslope and the crew were not LCY trained... plus the CAA had not approved the flight.
Sounds like the route is cancelled before it has begun. :shock:

If anyone has any further information,, ?? :?:

PHB1997 · Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:53 pm

DALCE wrote:
no, part of the success in GVA is the single type operation. Don't see it changing soon. Perhaps time to give Airbus a call for some A220-500's

It wouldn’t be impossible to do a W rotation ex ZRH ie to ATH,OPO,LIS etc - all of which have very good loads and could benefit from additional capacity.

For sure, the A220 has made GVA more profitable but they aren’t the only lever that affected profitability of the base. A major one is still that ZRH pilots are lodged in Geneva on a nightstop basis, which is significant in additional costs.

For sure it will be interesting how LX develop the GVA base. I was surprised for one to see that no ski routes from the UK have been added - ZRH to BRS was a bit random, as GVA is where the bulk of the ski market is and BRS would be perfect, even Exeter on the A221 would work, as FlyBe had good loads during the winter peak.

flyingturtle · Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:21 pm

The Swiss interior minister Alain Berset, who has a private pilot license since 2009, has been forced to a landing by the French aviation authorities on a flight between two airfields in France. The basis was a communicative misunderstanding, he entered closed airspace.

After the landing, his identity was checked. Imagine the surprise when the unsuspecting police meets a government member.

He is known to rent single-engine aircraft from time to time.

https://www.24heures.ch/alain-berset-a- ... 2420308234

PhilInBRN · Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:58 am

Ethiopian Airlines will start service to Zurich from 31 October 2022. The flight will be offered 3x weekly as a tag-on from their MXP flights. Aircraft operating is the B787-9. The aircraft will be sitting on the ground in ZRH all day.

Addis Ababa – Milan Malpensa – Zurich eff 31OCT22 3 weekly 777-200LR, new routing (Zurich is a new destination)
ET736 ADD0015 – 0450MXP0550 – 0700ZRH 789 135
ET737 ZRH2030 – 2140MXP2230 – 0705+1ADD 789 135

Source: https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220720-etnw22eu

After Saudia, the next good airline addition at ZRH this year. Let‘s hope for more positive news, eg Cathay increasing HKG to more than 1x weekly, Korean Air passenger service returning and hopefully some additional Asia flights next year (e.g. EVA Air to Taipeh, Swiss returning to Osaka).

Regarding ET, they will also increase their GVA service to 4x weekly and add a tag-on to Manchester. Hence, GVA-ADD will now be offered as a non-stop service. GVA and ZRH operating days are complimentary, essentially rendering daily ET service to Switzerland.

DALCE · Fri Jul 22, 2022 11:15 am

I noticed that LX pulled another 333 out of storage. HB-JHD has been operating since a week or so after a long deep storage in AMM. Only 4 remain stored for the moment ( + 2 A320's ).

eurotrader85 · Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:07 pm

PhilInBRN wrote:
Ethiopian Airlines will start service to Zurich from 31 October 2022. The flight will be offered 3x weekly as a tag-on from their MXP flights. Aircraft operating is the B787-9. The aircraft will be sitting on the ground in ZRH all day.

Addis Ababa – Milan Malpensa – Zurich eff 31OCT22 3 weekly 777-200LR, new routing (Zurich is a new destination)
ET736 ADD0015 – 0450MXP0550 – 0700ZRH 789 135
ET737 ZRH2030 – 2140MXP2230 – 0705+1ADD 789 135

Source: https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220720-etnw22eu

After Saudia, the next good airline addition at ZRH this year. Let‘s hope for more positive news, eg Cathay increasing HKG to more than 1x weekly, Korean Air passenger service returning and hopefully some additional Asia flights next year (e.g. EVA Air to Taipeh, Swiss returning to Osaka).

Regarding ET, they will also increase their GVA service to 4x weekly and add a tag-on to Manchester. Hence, GVA-ADD will now be offered as a non-stop service. GVA and ZRH operating days are complimentary, essentially rendering daily ET service to Switzerland.

Interesting. Do ET have 5th freedom rights between Italy and Switzerland?

davidjohnson6 · Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:25 pm

Ethiopian have had traffic rights between Italy and other countries in Europe in the last 20 years. Possibly due to the historic colonial link

seansasLCY · Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:56 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Ethiopian have had traffic rights between Italy and other countries in Europe in the last 20 years. Possibly due to the historic colonial link

They seem to have them in a lot of places. They have it between Sweden and Norway and I think operated between Austria and Sweden at one point.

lesfalls · Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:52 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Ethiopian have had traffic rights between Italy and other countries in Europe in the last 20 years. Possibly due to the historic colonial link

Do you have a full list? Is MXP-ZRH confirmed 5th freedom?

fren · Sat Jul 23, 2022 2:35 pm

lesfalls wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Ethiopian have had traffic rights between Italy and other countries in Europe in the last 20 years. Possibly due to the historic colonial link

Do you have a full list? Is MXP-ZRH confirmed 5th freedom?

MXP-ZHR is not a 5th freedom flight. Maybe ET would be wet leasing the plane in ZRH? Wouldn't be a surprise now that they are wet leasing their A350's to Smartwings

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