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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Jun 04, 2022 8:49 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
mjgbtv wrote:
Today (6/3) appears to be the day that AA finally brings 'real' mainline to BTV, and it's a big bang with 3 different routes. I believe this is also the first day of UA's seasonal service to DEN and it is one of F9's days, so there are 10 mainline flights scheduled today:

B6 E190 JFK
AA A319 CLT
UA A319 ORD
UA A319 DEN
F9 A20N DEN
AA A319 DCA
AA A319 ORD
UA A319 ORD
B6 E190 JFK
DL A320 ATL

I'm not sure when the last time was that BTV had so many mainline flights, but I suspect it has not been since 2000.



Really impressive lift, I wonder how the airport is handling the capacity.

I'll be on the inbound CLT A319 in a couple days.


The last I saw enplanements were still not back up to 2019 levels, so capacity shouldn't be a problem except maybe for reduced TSA staffing. I'm not sure how things are with that now.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Jun 04, 2022 8:54 pm

B595 wrote:
mjgbtv wrote:
Today (6/3) appears to be the day that AA finally brings 'real' mainline to BTV, and it's a big bang with 3 different routes. I believe this is also the first day of UA's seasonal service to DEN and it is one of F9's days, so there are 10 mainline flights scheduled today:

B6 E190 JFK
AA A319 CLT
UA A319 ORD
UA A319 DEN
F9 A20N DEN
AA A319 DCA
AA A319 ORD
UA A319 ORD
B6 E190 JFK
DL A320 ATL

I'm not sure when the last time was that BTV had so many mainline flights, but I suspect it has not been since 2000.

And the summer schedule isn’t even maxed out: the MSP flights on Sun Country and Delta have yet to start.

Also, it was interesting to see how early Frontier’s DEN flights started this year. Seems a testament to the route’s strength.


It looks like they switched from MCO to DEN with no gap. I'm not sure if May would be a big month for either, but overall they do appear to be doing well.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Jun 07, 2022 3:19 pm

BDL having a route announced to begin late in the summer season via F9.... any guesses?

Can't find anything yet on what the new route is.... I'm thinking they're "announcing" DFW for a 3rd time as it hasn't started the two times so far that they've announced it. Second guess is TPA or PHX.

https://www.wfsb.com/2022/06/07/airport ... l-bradley/
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:55 pm

DL began MSP-BTV today

Sun Country up next
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:15 pm

SCHATC422 wrote:
BDL having a route announced to begin late in the summer season via F9.... any guesses?

Can't find anything yet on what the new route is.... I'm thinking they're "announcing" DFW for a 3rd time as it hasn't started the two times so far that they've announced it. Second guess is TPA or PHX.

https://www.wfsb.com/2022/06/07/airport ... l-bradley/


LAS. Daily starting August 9th.

https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-a ... l-airport/
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:17 am

DL adding BDL-LGA starting September 6th. 3x daily on a CR9.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/laguardia ... est-route/

JFK would've been better for international options. But this helps for Northeast centric connections.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:00 am

maximairways wrote:
DL adding BDL-LGA starting September 6th. 3x daily on a CR9.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/laguardia ... est-route/

JFK would've been better for international options. But this helps for Northeast centric connections.


I saw this earlier and all the years I lived in North Brooklyn and had business travel to Hartford this would have been amazing. The Amtrak options require a train change and suck. I was flying AA at the time (still am) but would have seriously considered Delta for doing this.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:36 am

maximairways wrote:
DL adding BDL-LGA starting September 6th. 3x daily on a CR9.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/laguardia ... est-route/

JFK would've been better for international options. But this helps for Northeast centric connections.


This is great! Hopefully Delta can bring back their daily flights to CLE and RDU from BDL that were paused during the pandemic.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:00 am

maximairways wrote:
DL adding BDL-LGA starting September 6th. 3x daily on a CR9.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/laguardia ... est-route/

JFK would've been better for international options. But this helps for Northeast centric connections.


Super pumped for this as a Brooklyn resident/Manhattan worker whose parents live in Hartford County and whose company is based there as well. I love train travel but until there’s a good, frequent one seat option to Hartford, this flight could be a great alternative.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Jun 15, 2022 12:21 am

maximairways wrote:
DL adding BDL-LGA starting September 6th. 3x daily on a CR9.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/laguardia ... est-route/

JFK would've been better for international options. But this helps for Northeast centric connections.


Absolutely great news!!! This opens more connections and eliminates that god-awful drive to New York. A JFK route would be nice but we will take this one.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:29 pm

Mainline snap shot from PWM today: United (6), Delta (5), Southwest (5), American (5), JetBlue (2), Frontier (1), Sun Country (1) for a total of 25 mainline flights and its nice to see United adding more lift.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:14 pm

Sun Country began BTV today
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:15 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Sun Country began BTV today


Some photos posted to BTV's Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FlyBTV
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:04 pm

Looks like ORH is making free parking permanent. The signs no longer have an end date, and the ticket machines are gone from the upper parking lot.

The lot itself is in terrible shape, and the lower one has a long staircase and n o elevator, so I suppose that was why they felt they really couldn't charge for parking. I do wish they would install a elevator for the lower parking lot.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Jul 08, 2022 12:09 am

BDL, MHT, BGR and 1B0 receiving shares of the $1B dispersed as part of the Airport Terminals Program: https://www.faa.gov/bil/airport-terminals

BDL: $20mil for baggage screening and misc terminal upgrades.

MHT: $4.1mil to replace glass canopy roofing and walls over the ticketing and bag claim areas.

BGR: $14.2mil to expand the screening checkpoint, connect two terminal buildings, replace a boarding gate and replace the HVAC system.

1B0 (Dexter Regional, ME): $760K to replace the existing terminal building.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:03 pm

According to the construction update for the July airport commission meeting BTV has now requested funding to replace both the North and South concourses. The document (link below) has conceptual renderings of the finished layout which will be much more streamlined than the current arrangement.

https://go.boarddocs.com/vt/burlingtonv ... 220720.pdf
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:55 am

President Biden and staff in and out of PVD today aboard C-32A ship #90017 for a brief visit to Somerset, MA.

https://turnto10.com/news/local/president-joe-biden-set-to-speak-on-climate-change-during-visit-somerset-july-20-2022
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:32 pm

Frontier is making some big changes including elimination of 32 domestic and 11 international routes. PWM loses RSW, TPA, FLL. PVD loses RSW and TPA. BOS, BDL, and PVD lose CUN. Will B6 or SWA pick up the lost routes?
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:28 pm

bdlflyer wrote:
maximairways wrote:
DL adding BDL-LGA starting September 6th. 3x daily on a CR9.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/laguardia ... est-route/

JFK would've been better for international options. But this helps for Northeast centric connections.




This service started August 1. I wonder why the quick start?
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:31 pm

paysonmt77 wrote:
Frontier is making some big changes including elimination of 32 domestic and 11 international routes. PWM loses RSW, TPA, FLL. PVD loses RSW and TPA. BOS, BDL, and PVD lose CUN. Will B6 or SWA pick up the lost routes?

As far as PVD-TPA and RSW go, I’ve always argued that B6 should make these adds and really solidify their position as the carrier of choice from southern New England (BOS/BDL/PVD) to these two destinations, especially as WN has slowly but surely let these markets stagnate from PVD. And for a little while B6 did but ended them both this past May. I’d love to see them come back, especially if the NK acquisition goes through, though that’s a little ways down the road. If not B6, I’d love to see MX jump on PVD-TPA and RSW.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:33 pm

paysonmt77 wrote:
Frontier is making some big changes including elimination of 32 domestic and 11 international routes. PWM loses RSW, TPA, FLL. PVD loses RSW and TPA. BOS, BDL, and PVD lose CUN. Will B6 or SWA pick up the lost routes?


Im thinking thats a F9 scheduling issue... at the same time there are two MCO-PVD's showing some dates that are only 2 minutes apart.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:54 pm

paysonmt77 wrote:
Frontier is making some big changes including elimination of 32 domestic and 11 international routes. PWM loses RSW, TPA, FLL. PVD loses RSW and TPA. BOS, BDL, and PVD lose CUN. Will B6 or SWA pick up the lost routes?


Did F9 fly PVD-CUN in the past or was it announced and never started? I don't believe F9 has flown BDL-CUN since May or June, B6 has been on the route for over a year.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:58 pm

uconn99 wrote:
paysonmt77 wrote:
Frontier is making some big changes including elimination of 32 domestic and 11 international routes. PWM loses RSW, TPA, FLL. PVD loses RSW and TPA. BOS, BDL, and PVD lose CUN. Will B6 or SWA pick up the lost routes?


Did F9 fly PVD-CUN in the past or was it announced and never started? I don't believe F9 has flown BDL-CUN since May or June, B6 has been on the route for over a year.

They flew it Saturday-only this past Feb-Apr.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 03, 2022 12:53 am

uconn99 wrote:
paysonmt77 wrote:
Frontier is making some big changes including elimination of 32 domestic and 11 international routes. PWM loses RSW, TPA, FLL. PVD loses RSW and TPA. BOS, BDL, and PVD lose CUN. Will B6 or SWA pick up the lost routes?


I don't believe F9 has flown BDL-CUN since May or June, B6 has been on the route for over a year.


F9 ended BDL-CUN April 26.
B6 went from daily to 3/weekly on May 4, and will suspend that on August 20.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:35 am

MO11 wrote:
uconn99 wrote:
paysonmt77 wrote:
Frontier is making some big changes including elimination of 32 domestic and 11 international routes. PWM loses RSW, TPA, FLL. PVD loses RSW and TPA. BOS, BDL, and PVD lose CUN. Will B6 or SWA pick up the lost routes?


I don't believe F9 has flown BDL-CUN since May or June, B6 has been on the route for over a year.


F9 ended BDL-CUN April 26.
B6 went from daily to 3/weekly on May 4, and will suspend that on August 20.


You are correct, looks like F9 only operated BDL-CUN in March/April. B6 starts up BDL-CUN again in November.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:44 am

MO11 wrote:
bdlflyer wrote:
maximairways wrote:
DL adding BDL-LGA starting September 6th. 3x daily on a CR9.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/laguardia ... est-route/

JFK would've been better for international options. But this helps for Northeast centric connections.




This service started August 1. I wonder why the quick start?


LGA slot squatting would be my educated guess. About as minimal fuel burn as you can get.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:53 am

B6BOSfan wrote:
MO11 wrote:
bdlflyer wrote:



This service started August 1. I wonder why the quick start?


LGA slot squatting would be my educated guess. About as minimal fuel burn as you can get.


US did that for years running Dash-8's on low volume passenger flights to small nearby cities.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:48 pm

Couple BOS diversions to PVD this afternoon due to thunderstorms.

DL 1182 DFW-BOS A220
B6 434 SFO-BOS A321
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:56 am

PVD523 wrote:
Couple BOS diversions to PVD this afternoon due to thunderstorms.

DL 1182 DFW-BOS A220
B6 434 SFO-BOS A321


BDL took in XP 720 MCO-HVN on a 738.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:54 am

ctavgeek33 wrote:
PVD523 wrote:
Couple BOS diversions to PVD this afternoon due to thunderstorms.

DL 1182 DFW-BOS A220
B6 434 SFO-BOS A321


BDL took in XP 720 MCO-HVN on a 738.


Weather wasn't an issue, must have been MX. Also they parked at gate 8 so I assume passengers deplaned at BDL.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:23 pm

airlineworker wrote:
B6BOSfan wrote:
MO11 wrote:


This service started August 1. I wonder why the quick start?


LGA slot squatting would be my educated guess. About as minimal fuel burn as you can get.


US did that for years running Dash-8's on low volume passenger flights to small nearby cities.

Delta has just unveiled a striking and massive terminal at LGA that I'm sure they hope to pump some traffic through. For Southern N E via PVD, I am certain they have picked up point to point traffic and connecting business for cities South of DTW and North of ATL. Alternately, one can transit EWR on UA, but it's less than dependable or pleasant these days.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:45 pm

lat41 wrote:
Delta has just unveiled a striking and massive terminal at LGA that I'm sure they hope to pump some traffic through. For Southern N E via PVD, I am certain they have picked up point to point traffic and connecting business for cities South of DTW and North of ATL. Alternately, one can transit EWR on UA, but it's less than dependable or pleasant these days.

Less than dependable is an understatement. PVD-EWR is a crapshoot these days. So is UA as a whole at PVD. Due to the congestion issues and UA’s overall schedule reliability issues at EWR, the weekday morning flights were cut for July and August, with the first EWR departure leaving at 12:44. From UA’s website, the on time performance of their three remaining EWR flights is:

UA 3694 (Republic) scheduled 12:44 dep: on time 64%, cancelled 20%

UA 4537 (GoJet) scheduled 17:52 dep: on time 57%, cancelled 9%

UA 4393 (GoJet) scheduled 19:16 dep: this is a new flight number so no official on time stats yet but over the last week, on time 20%, cancelled 20%
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:37 pm

lat41 wrote:
Delta has just unveiled a striking and massive terminal at LGA that I'm sure they hope to pump some traffic through. For Southern N E via PVD, I am certain they have picked up point to point traffic and connecting business for cities South of DTW and North of ATL. Alternately, one can transit EWR on UA, but it's less than dependable or pleasant these days.


95% of LGA's traffic is O&D. Any connections are utterly incidental. DL would be happy to route BDL passengers through DTW or ATL to keep NYC yields high.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:07 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
lat41 wrote:
Delta has just unveiled a striking and massive terminal at LGA that I'm sure they hope to pump some traffic through. For Southern N E via PVD, I am certain they have picked up point to point traffic and connecting business for cities South of DTW and North of ATL. Alternately, one can transit EWR on UA, but it's less than dependable or pleasant these days.


95% of LGA's traffic is O&D. Any connections are utterly incidental. DL would be happy to route BDL passengers through DTW or ATL to keep NYC yields high.

I’m not so sure. In a normal business environment, you’re right. But connections out of PVD through LGA have consistently been lower than DTW and ATL recently. On a random September Thursday (9/15), DFW, ORD, MSY, even MSP, everything is cheapest through LGA. By over $150 in some cases (MSP). DL is absolutely making on conscious effort to route connecting traffic through LGA.
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:27 pm

PVD523 wrote:
lat41 wrote:
Delta has just unveiled a striking and massive terminal at LGA that I'm sure they hope to pump some traffic through. For Southern N E via PVD, I am certain they have picked up point to point traffic and connecting business for cities South of DTW and North of ATL. Alternately, one can transit EWR on UA, but it's less than dependable or pleasant these days.

Less than dependable is an understatement. PVD-EWR is a crapshoot these days. So is UA as a whole at PVD. Due to the congestion issues and UA’s overall schedule reliability issues at EWR, the weekday morning flights were cut for July and August, with the first EWR departure leaving at 12:44. From UA’s website, the on time performance of their three remaining EWR flights is:

UA 3694 (Republic) scheduled 12:44 dep: on time 64%, cancelled 20%

UA 4537 (GoJet) scheduled 17:52 dep: on time 57%, cancelled 9%

UA 4393 (GoJet) scheduled 19:16 dep: this is a new flight number so no official on time stats yet but over the last week, on time 20%, cancelled 20%

Thanks for stats. A few snowflakes. wind gusts or a clap of thunder is enough. Look at the EWR scrub list each day Providence is far from alone among cities. DL to LGA is better and CR9s tolerable.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:33 pm

A stunning new terminal plus some cities South of DTW yet North of ATL just looking at the route map, make sense. Not to mention if a DTW flight goes down, some pax. can be siphoned that way. AA just spent a ton on DCA and is persuing a similar philpsophy back pedaling on PHL a bit for now to route more bodies via DCA.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:53 am

In an unfortunate way, the increase in connections through LGA may cause some other DL regional network shifts. BTV-DTW ends Wed 10/5. As it’s only flown once daily on a CR9, those passengers making connections through DTW can be absorbed into the LGA and ATL lift, though it’s always unfortunate for a small airport to lose any nonstop destinations. The pilot shortage at the regional level certainly doesn’t help either.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:58 am

lat41 wrote:
PVD523 wrote:
lat41 wrote:
Delta has just unveiled a striking and massive terminal at LGA that I'm sure they hope to pump some traffic through. For Southern N E via PVD, I am certain they have picked up point to point traffic and connecting business for cities South of DTW and North of ATL. Alternately, one can transit EWR on UA, but it's less than dependable or pleasant these days.

Less than dependable is an understatement. PVD-EWR is a crapshoot these days. So is UA as a whole at PVD. Due to the congestion issues and UA’s overall schedule reliability issues at EWR, the weekday morning flights were cut for July and August, with the first EWR departure leaving at 12:44. From UA’s website, the on time performance of their three remaining EWR flights is:

UA 3694 (Republic) scheduled 12:44 dep: on time 64%, cancelled 20%

UA 4537 (GoJet) scheduled 17:52 dep: on time 57%, cancelled 9%

UA 4393 (GoJet) scheduled 19:16 dep: this is a new flight number so no official on time stats yet but over the last week, on time 20%, cancelled 20%

Thanks for stats. A few snowflakes. wind gusts or a clap of thunder is enough. Look at the EWR scrub list each day Providence is far from alone among cities. DL to LGA is better and CR9s tolerable.

Some days it doesn’t even take that for delays to start snowballing. Even on days with zero weather in the northeast it’s not uncommon for EWR-bound flights, especially on regional metal, to have flow times 90+ minutes past scheduled push back.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:04 am

Shame that BTV-DTW is ending. That route goes back a ways.

I avoid connecting in any New York airports if possible. It’s always a gamble with weather and air traffic, and at the end of a long transcon redeye I don’t like to gamble. Although I admit the terminals at all three airports have improved over the years.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:13 am

B595 wrote:
Shame that BTV-DTW is ending. That route goes back a ways.

I avoid connecting in any New York airports if possible. It’s always a gamble with weather and air traffic, and at the end/start of a long transcon I don’t like to gamble. Although I admit the terminals at all three airports have improved over the years.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:26 am

Delta flew DTW-BTV back in 1974-1979 or so. Then Northwest/Mesaba picked it up at some point. And Delta inherited from Northwest.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:45 am

Regarding BTV and DL, lets not look over MSP and MSP being mainline, while DTW is regional. From what I have seen and read, a lot of regional cuts are due to pilot/union shortages. LGA isn't soaking up much of DTW passengers. DTW will come back at some point, this just has to to do with the regional pilot issues.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:00 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
lat41 wrote:
Delta has just unveiled a striking and massive terminal at LGA that I'm sure they hope to pump some traffic through. For Southern N E via PVD, I am certain they have picked up point to point traffic and connecting business for cities South of DTW and North of ATL. Alternately, one can transit EWR on UA, but it's less than dependable or pleasant these days.


95% of LGA's traffic is O&D. Any connections are utterly incidental. DL would be happy to route BDL passengers through DTW or ATL to keep NYC yields high.


95% O&D at LGA, or any hub/focus city sounds absurd, do you have a source? I guess I have been part of the 5%, along with most other passengers on my flights a ridiculous number of times over the past 25 years.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:45 pm

B6 has upgraded the ORH to FLL flight to an A320. So they must be doing resonably well.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:24 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Regarding BTV and DL, lets not look over MSP and MSP being mainline, while DTW is regional. From what I have seen and read, a lot of regional cuts are due to pilot/union shortages. LGA isn't soaking up much of DTW passengers. DTW will come back at some point, this just has to to do with the regional pilot issues.


Is BTV-MSP year round? I thought that was a response to Sun Country starting MSP, which I believe is seasonal so I assumed DL to MSP would also just be seasonal. I don't want to avoid connecting in NY just in the summer!...
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:52 am

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/loc ... t/2849353/

Boston-bound Aer Lingus flight 13J diverted to BDL today due to bad weather in the BOS area. Upon takeoff from BDL for BOS, the A330 suffered an engine stall and subsequent fire. The plane returned to the airport, flying low over the Hartford metro while trailing fire and, according to eyewitness reports, making occasional loud booms. https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewWx123/ ... 02/photo/1
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:12 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
lat41 wrote:
Delta has just unveiled a striking and massive terminal at LGA that I'm sure they hope to pump some traffic through. For Southern N E via PVD, I am certain they have picked up point to point traffic and connecting business for cities South of DTW and North of ATL. Alternately, one can transit EWR on UA, but it's less than dependable or pleasant these days.


95% of LGA's traffic is O&D. Any connections are utterly incidental. DL would be happy to route BDL passengers through DTW or ATL to keep NYC yields high.


2019 called……that’s so not reality in 2022. Delta is running tons of connections at LGA. I’d say the majority on these short flights. They have too! That premium business traffic is not flying in high numbers still. Delta wants to keep its slots secure and the panynj has crunched numbers on historical averages. Also with the pilot shortage it makes sense to connect to the closest hubs. Short distance business traffic is very very slow and last to recover. Delta has to do connection right now at LGA.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:25 pm

Looks like F9 is dropping BTV.

Among a handful of cities they are suspending, including ALB, HSV and SDF.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:52 pm

Jetport wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
lat41 wrote:
Delta has just unveiled a striking and massive terminal at LGA that I'm sure they hope to pump some traffic through. For Southern N E via PVD, I am certain they have picked up point to point traffic and connecting business for cities South of DTW and North of ATL. Alternately, one can transit EWR on UA, but it's less than dependable or pleasant these days.


95% of LGA's traffic is O&D. Any connections are utterly incidental. DL would be happy to route BDL passengers through DTW or ATL to keep NYC yields high.


95% O&D at LGA, or any hub/focus city sounds absurd, do you have a source? I guess I have been part of the 5%, along with most other passengers on my flights a ridiculous number of times over the past 25 years.


Sure. (It's actually 94.3 -- my bad.) MCO Airport routinely puts out domestic O&D and connecting stats for the 30 largest U.S. airports.

See U.S. Airport O&D Ranking at bottom right. https://orlandoairports.net/about-us/#t ... statistics

LGA is all about O&D -- just as I declared. The data are for the 12 months ending 12/2021 but don't look a lot different from 2019.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BTV/HVN/BGR) Aviation Thread - 2022

Wed Aug 10, 2022 2:22 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Looks like F9 is dropping BTV.

Among a handful of cities they are suspending, including ALB, HSV and SDF.



Leaves easy opening for Breeze or Avelo to come into BTV.

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