flyPIT wrote:

"She makes far more than the leaders of the five biggest airports in the United States ranked in terms of passengers through those facilities in the pre-pandemic year of 2019 — the same year Pittsburgh International was ranked as the 43rd busiest airport in the country."
https://www.post-gazette.com/business/d ... 2202200066

"Mr. Fitzgerald, who appoints the airport authority board members who determine Ms. Cassotis’ salary, said she is worth every penny.. “We’ve got a superstar out there who, quite frankly, has taken the airport to heights we never anticipated,” he said."

Time yet again to have another look at some ugly statistics and a bit of a reality check.

2021 year-end totals:
CLE 7,282,475
IND 7,176,046
PIT 6,354,770
CVG 6,282,253
CMH 5,822,322

CLE ended the year over 14.5% busier than PIT, and IND not far behind. Pre-pandemic PIT was on par with CLE, slightly ahead of IND, and a good bit ahead of CVG and CMH. It is mind boggling that Cleveland - the only metro area in the US that did worse than Pittsburgh regarding population growth - had nearly a million more passengers in such short order. As mentioned before it is not Cassotis's fault the governor of PA tanked the state's economy resulting in higher unemployment rates, but our region's (and airport's) recovery relative to other areas is taking even longer than I expected.

If you want a more complete comparison for Columbus, you need to include LCK's numbers (G4 had 295,584 there alone) with CMH, which puts the two at 6,117,906.

flyPIT wrote:

Needed to look at a one way to PHL last week for this past Saturday. 5 days out there was only one flight left for sale, economy was about $450 one way. On a Saturday. I'm still of the opinion PIT-PHL is one, if not the, most suppressed air markets in the US.

Similar predicament for me last Oct - I found that AA was charging 7,500 advantage miles for that flight which is somewhat more reasonable.

But yes - it's awful. So many people would consider a weekend flight to Philly if it could be done for under $150 r/t

Breeze is announcing new routes tomorrow. What are PIT's chances of gaining anything new with them?

JamesRenard wrote:

Breeze is announcing new routes tomorrow. What are PIT's chances of gaining anything new with them?

sarasota maybe

Nothing for Breeze, but I wouldn’t count out new routes in the fall. LAS and LAX are both now destinations that could see Breeze’s product do well on from PIT.

PITexpress wrote:

flyPIT wrote:

Needed to look at a one way to PHL last week for this past Saturday. 5 days out there was only one flight left for sale, economy was about $450 one way. On a Saturday. I'm still of the opinion PIT-PHL is one, if not the, most suppressed air markets in the US.

Similar predicament for me last Oct - I found that AA was charging 7,500 advantage miles for that flight which is somewhat more reasonable.

But yes - it's awful. So many people would consider a weekend flight to Philly if it could be done for under $150 r/t

I usually skip lag to PHL for one ways. Or sometimes the round trip is cheaper than the one way.

flightsimer wrote:

Nothing for Breeze, but I wouldn’t count out new routes in the fall. LAS and LAX are both now destinations that could see Breeze’s product do well on from PIT.

LAS has SWA and NK on the route already.

Delta28L wrote:

flightsimer wrote:

Nothing for Breeze, but I wouldn’t count out new routes in the fall. LAS and LAX are both now destinations that could see Breeze’s product do well on from PIT.

LAS has SWA and NK on the route already.

Yup, but the flights are full and the product on the A220 should easily be able to outcompete both Spirit’s product and likely even Southwest’s. Flights don’t have to be daily initially either.

Last year when making one of my statistical comparisons with PIT's peer cities and making the point how stagnant we've become, I made this comment half-jokingly:

"Before long we will be comparing our level of air service to that of Buffalo and Louisville."

But with every major network expansion that happens in the industry, be it from WN, F9, NK, or MX... it sure seems that comment is getting more and more accurate.

Looks like Breeze is now up to 9 cities at CMH? Even up to 6 at CAK. Pretty impressive growth.

flightsimer wrote:

Delta28L wrote:

flightsimer wrote:

Nothing for Breeze, but I wouldn’t count out new routes in the fall. LAS and LAX are both now destinations that could see Breeze’s product do well on from PIT.

LAS has SWA and NK on the route already.

Yup, but the flights are full and the product on the A220 should easily be able to outcompete both Spirit’s product and likely even Southwest’s. Flights don’t have to be daily initially either.

Isn't their entire model to be on routes no one else is on though? Or at least for the most part. Not sure they would then want to go in on a route that has TWO already on it.

flyPIT wrote:

Last year when making one of my statistical comparisons with PIT's peer cities and making the point how stagnant we've become, I made this comment half-jokingly:

"Before long we will be comparing our level of air service to that of Buffalo and Louisville."

But with every major network expansion that happens in the industry, be it from WN, F9, NK, or MX... it sure seems that comment is getting more and more accurate.

Looks like Breeze is now up to 9 cities at CMH? Even up to 6 at CAK. Pretty impressive growth.

Speaking as a CMH resident, your disappointment may be a bit premature. You guys have BA to LHR resuming in June and we have… 2x weekly on a half empty MX Embraer to PVD? 1x weekly to MSY?

Wanna trade?

Wanna trade... state and local governments? Sure!

MX is just ramping up, I don't think half empty flights will be a long term thing. I also don't think it will be more than a couple years before some sort of trans-Atlantic is announced for CMH.

Yikes! Yet another snowy airfield excursion that was inches from complete disaster, this time at AGC.



Overhead video here (scroll down for the second video). Good thing they slid off centerline; looks like those shrubs saved the day.
https://www.wtae.com/article/allegheny- ... n/39374477

This makes two major incidents within two years on ACAA property.

NK Starting PIT-EWR in June

krod031 wrote:

NK Starting PIT-EWR in June

With r/t prices well over $700 on most days I checked in July and Aug. 3x that of United.

flyPIT wrote:

krod031 wrote:

NK Starting PIT-EWR in June

With r/t prices well over $700 on most days I checked in July and Aug. 3x that of United.

Wow! You aren't kidding. I just checked on NK as well. WOW.

USAir707 wrote:

flyPIT wrote:

krod031 wrote:

NK Starting PIT-EWR in June

With r/t prices well over $700 on most days I checked in July and Aug. 3x that of United.

Wow! You aren't kidding. I just checked on NK as well. WOW.

SPIRIT on a suicide mission ? 700 RT on their service ... they can't be serious... anyone remember the old PEOPLES EXPRESS ... PIT to EWR for 19 bucks

crjflyboy wrote:

USAir707 wrote:

flyPIT wrote:

With r/t prices well over $700 on most days I checked in July and Aug. 3x that of United.

Wow! You aren't kidding. I just checked on NK as well. WOW.

SPIRIT on a suicide mission ? 700 RT on their service ... they can't be serious... anyone remember the old PEOPLES EXPRESS ... PIT to EWR for 19 bucks

Guys spirit always does this until they are done loading in the whole route

crjflyboy wrote:

SPIRIT on a suicide mission ? 700 RT on their service ... they can't be serious... anyone remember the old PEOPLES EXPRESS ... PIT to EWR for 19 bucks

Not only that, but PE had like 10 flights a day too!

Regarding the new cargo building announced a couple weeks ago, it was initially quoted to be 140,000 sq. ft. Now I'm seeing quotes of up to 170,000 sq. ft. and it being intended to be multi-tenant.
https://ajot.com/news/aeroterm-to-devel ... al-airport


Speaking of air cargo, are the int'l cargo flights all but done? Unless I've missed some, my tracking only shows Qatar 1x weekly. CX never did return, and the A330/340s as well as Euroatlantic all seem to be gone for several weeks now.

Does anyone know anything about the National Cargo 744? I see it's headed to Poland, possibly related to the war in Ukraine?

krod031 wrote:

NK Starting PIT-EWR in June

Effective June 22, 2022

NK 2407 Pittsburgh (PIT) to Newark (EWR) Depart 5:40 PM Arrive 7:02 PM Airbus A320 Daily
NK 2408 Newark (EWR) to Pittsburgh (PIT) Depart 8:00 PM Arrive 9:18 PM Airbus A320 Daily

Source https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/spirit-adds-4-affordable-daily-newark-routes-for-easy-access-to-the-west-coast--more-this-summer-301508888.html

worldtraveler2 wrote:

krod031 wrote:

NK Starting PIT-EWR in June

Effective June 22, 2022

NK 2407 Pittsburgh (PIT) to Newark (EWR) Depart 5:40 PM Arrive 7:02 PM Airbus A320 Daily
NK 2408 Newark (EWR) to Pittsburgh (PIT) Depart 8:00 PM Arrive 9:18 PM Airbus A320 Daily

Source https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/spirit-adds-4-affordable-daily-newark-routes-for-easy-access-to-the-west-coast--more-this-summer-301508888.html

I guess this works if you are on a leisure trip, but a no-go if you have a same day business trip. I understand that is not their target market, but still, i would have loved a twice daily flight.

A handful of LGA-bound flights diverted to PIT tonight:
AA619 from DFW (B738)
AA429 from ORD (A319)
AA4854 from IAH (E175)
NK2720 from DFW (A320)
WN716 from DAL (B737)

Feb numbers are out, passengers total 494,000, up 116% and cargo up 19%
https://flypittsburgh.com/wp-content/up ... Report.pdf

USAir707 wrote:

worldtraveler2 wrote:

krod031 wrote:

NK Starting PIT-EWR in June

Effective June 22, 2022

NK 2407 Pittsburgh (PIT) to Newark (EWR) Depart 5:40 PM Arrive 7:02 PM Airbus A320 Daily
NK 2408 Newark (EWR) to Pittsburgh (PIT) Depart 8:00 PM Arrive 9:18 PM Airbus A320 Daily

Source https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/spirit-adds-4-affordable-daily-newark-routes-for-easy-access-to-the-west-coast--more-this-summer-301508888.html

I guess this works if you are on a leisure trip, but a no-go if you have a same day business trip. I understand that is not their target market, but still, i would have loved a twice daily flight.

Looks as though the flights times have changed on this route.

A late AM departure from PIT and an early afternoon departure from EWR.

With SFO resuming today and YUL/LHR both restarting in June, there aren't that many pre-pandemic destinations without a planned resumption on the horizon. The only ones I can think of are SLC, MSY (despite what G4 says) and FRA. What do folks think of their chances of returning?

I'm not counting anything that ended prior to 2020 such as KEF, TYS, BHM, etc. I'm also not counting JST since was on an EAS contract and is extremely unlikely to return anytime soon. MEM is a grey area since it was planned to start in 2020 but never actually started? Unless I missed some of their flights taking place.

Let me know if I'm missing any other destinations.

I was just messing around on Google flights and it seems the LAST AA PIT-PHX flight is May 4th. I looked for any news about it, and found nothing. Wikipedia, any past news articles. Obvious nothing about it on AA website.

Is PIT-PHX the new PIT-LAX in terms of Pittsburgh's inability to maintain a decent level of service? Down I-70 both CMH and IND will be maintaining their 2x daily PHX flights on AA over the summer.

Meanwhile at WN, PIT-PHX also dropped with their latest schedule extension. The flights end in early September. AA's schedule is showing a resumption in late Oct; 2x daily in fact but I imagine that far out it is only a place holder and will settle back to 1x daily. But all this still leaves a period of almost 2 months without any PIT-PHX flights at all. PHX would by far be the largest unserved market from PIT during that time, surpassing MSY. Perhaps even the largest unserved market in the US? Remember G4 also canned PIT-AZA.

flyPIT wrote:

Is PIT-PHX the new PIT-LAX in terms of Pittsburgh's inability to maintain a decent level of service? Down I-70 both CMH and IND will be maintaining their 2x daily PHX flights on AA over the summer.

Meanwhile at WN, PIT-PHX also dropped with their latest schedule extension. The flights end in early September. AA's schedule is showing a resumption in late Oct; 2x daily in fact but I imagine that far out it is only a place holder and will settle back to 1x daily. But all this still leaves a period of almost 2 months without any PIT-PHX flights at all. PHX would by far be the largest unserved market from PIT during that time, surpassing MSY. Perhaps even the largest unserved market in the US? Remember G4 also canned PIT-AZA.

Didn't this happen last year as well?

PITfall wrote:

flyPIT wrote:

Is PIT-PHX the new PIT-LAX in terms of Pittsburgh's inability to maintain a decent level of service? Down I-70 both CMH and IND will be maintaining their 2x daily PHX flights on AA over the summer.

Meanwhile at WN, PIT-PHX also dropped with their latest schedule extension. The flights end in early September. AA's schedule is showing a resumption in late Oct; 2x daily in fact but I imagine that far out it is only a place holder and will settle back to 1x daily. But all this still leaves a period of almost 2 months without any PIT-PHX flights at all. PHX would by far be the largest unserved market from PIT during that time, surpassing MSY. Perhaps even the largest unserved market in the US? Remember G4 also canned PIT-AZA.

Didn't this happen last year as well?

I believe so. During the pandemic I can understand last year; but for later this year not so much.

Interesting, an AN-12 from Ukraine carrier Cavok Airlines just landed at PIT from YYR (Goose Bay).

flyPIT wrote:

But all this still leaves a period of almost 2 months without any PIT-PHX flights at all. PHX would by far be the largest unserved market from PIT during that time, surpassing MSY.

What's the PDEW, and how many of them would connect in DTW/ORD/DFW/DEN... to save $5, anyway? It's too far n/s for an E75 or CR9, so you're left with high CASM 319s or 737-700s.

MIflyer12 wrote:

flyPIT wrote:

But all this still leaves a period of almost 2 months without any PIT-PHX flights at all. PHX would by far be the largest unserved market from PIT during that time, surpassing MSY.

What's the PDEW, and how many of them would connect in DTW/ORD/DFW/DEN... to save $5, anyway? It's too far n/s for an E75 or CR9, so you're left with high CASM 319s or 737-700s.

It sounds perfect for a Breeze A220.

Random question, but an important one to an avgeek: Is this still true?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... t-security

GSPSPOT wrote:

Random question, but an important one to an avgeek: Is this still true?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... t-security

They suspended it during Covid but they were talking about brining it back depending on how traffic recovers

December 2021 stats came out on Transtats, so I downloaded the PIT passenger numbers and compared them to 2019's numbers.

Top 25 destinations from PIT, y/e Dec 2021, compared to y/e Dec 2019 and the % difference:

1. ATL: 293,941 (481,718 - down 38.98%)
2. CLT: 237,078 (295,649 - down 19.81%)
3. MCO: 225,766 (261,901 - down 13.80%)
4. ORD: 185,203 (335,347 - down 44.77%)
5. DEN: 167,915 (213,006 - down 21.17%)
6. DFW: 151,600 (177,181 - down 14.44%)
7. FLL: 126,405 (118,340 - up 6.82%)
8. MDW: 105,723 (172,473 - down 38.70%)
9. TPA: 102,093 (130,127 - down 21.54%)
10. RSW: 93,487 (73,674 - up 26.89%)
11. PHL: 91,379 (146,040 - down 37.43%)
12. BNA: 86,617 (89,711 - down 3.45%)
13. BWI: 85,955 (110,536 - down 22.24%)
14. PHX: 80,348 (107,037 - down 24.93%)
15. LAS: 80,108 (120,163 - down 33.33%)
16. LGA: 78,905 (185,731 - down 57.52%)
17. IAH: 77,437 (122,096 - down 36.58%)
18. DTW: 66,683 (118,807 - down 43.87%)
19. MSP: 65,576 (101,858 - down 35.62%)
20. BOS: 64,482 (211,723 - down 69.64%)
21. EWR: 63,300 (162,283 - down 60.99%)
22. MIA: 59,106 (57,043 - up 3.62%)
23. IAD: 53,565 (89,152 - down 39.92%)
24. DCA: 49,898 (72,033 - down 30.73%)
25. MYR: 48,784 (32,590 - up 49.69%)

FLL, RSW, MIA, MYR, SRQ, CHS, PBI, AUS and MGW all had passenger increases since 2019.

Exluding SFO and SLC which didn't operate in 2021, HOU had the greatest decline (-87.68%) followed by MSY (-84.21%) and DAL (-70.72%)

Looks like Qatar Cargo removed PIT from their online schedules. Outbound "flights" are now showing as road feeder service (trucks) to ORD and JFK.


Minor point but Condor removed Pittsburgh from its list of US gateways. It was there just a few weeks ago.
https://www.condor.com/us/book-plan/fli ... rports.jsp

JamesRenard wrote:

Exluding SFO and SLC which didn't operate in 2021, HOU had the greatest decline (-87.68%) followed by MSY (-84.21%) and DAL (-70.72%)

HOU, MSY, and DAL having been completely eliminated or drastically reduced in 2021. Those huge drops just reiterate how having a nonstop can significantly increase demand on a given city pair.

While I had the stats, I worked out the 2021 LFs for destinations from PIT as well.

Allegiant Air (G4)
VPS: 80.92% - I wasn't expecting this to have the highest LF
PGD: 77.72%
SFB: 77.45%
EYW: 77.38% - pretty impressive for its first season
JAX: 77.32%
PIE: 77.31%
AUS: 77.02% - surprised this isn't year-round
SRQ: 76.07%
PBI: 74.97%
MYR: 73.59%
SAV: 64.77%
ORF: 62.12%
CHS: 61.87%
MLB: 56.23% - only started in Nov, so LFs could increase in the future
BNA: 50.64%
RAP: 46.58% - one and done, most likely
MSY: 44.27% - this only ran for three months with monthly LFs of 35.90% (Feb), 41.52% (Mar) and 60.90% (Apr) so it might return
AZA: 43.92% - ouch, no wonder this got canned

American Airlines/Eagle (AA/MQ/OH/OO/PT/YX)
CLT: 86.18%
MIA: 83.14%
PHX: 82.78% - LF for Aug was 69.52%, while average LF for Oct-Dec was 85.89%. Might be why it's going seasonal
DFW: 82.69%
ORD: 80.32%
DCA: 70.41%
PHL: 70.11%
LGA: 58.53%
RDU: 56.98%
JFK: 50.73% - LF for Jun was 62.58%, but it fell to 46.74% in Nov and 47.42% in Dec as more flights were added

Alaska Airlines (AS)
SEA: 74.91%

Boutique Air (4B)
AOO: 50.75%

Breeze Airways (MX)
PVD 58.55%
CHS 54.14%
BDL 51.43%
ORF 49.98%

Countour Airlines (LF)
MKE: 46.31%
IND: 31.37%

Delta Air Lines/Connection (DL/9E/OO/YX)
ATL: 76.04%
MSP: 74.38%
MCO: 65.60%
DTW: 63.91%
BOS: 63.53%
LGA: 57.15%
JFK: 54.59%

Frontier Airlines (F9)
DEN: 79.46%
MCO: 65.59%

JetBlue (B6)
BOS: 75.39%
FLL: 70.82% - ended in Jun 2021

Southern Airways Express (9X)
LNS: 42.90%
BFD: 33.90%
MGW: 33.79%
DUJ: 31.32%

Southwest Airlines (WN)
AUS: 90.42% - only ran from Nov
LAS: 89.87%
DAL: 89.12%
STL: 87.33%
PHX: 84.39% - average LF from Apr-Dec was 92.43%! I cannot fathom why WN is dropping this later this year
MCO: 82.92%
ATL: 82.53%
BNA: 82.45%
TPA: 82.19%
RSW: 81.82%
MDW: 80.36%
DEN: 76.76%
FLL: 75.66%
MIA: 74.93%
BWI: 73.51%
HOU: 72.48%
SRQ: 69.51%
MYR: 62.47%

Spirit Airlines (NK)
MCO: 82.26%
TPA: 79.91%
RSW: 77.99%
FLL: 77.11%
LAX: 76.58%
LAS: 69.55%
MYR: 64.47%

United Airlines/Express (UA/G7/OO/YV/YX/ZW)
DEN: 84.11%
IAH: 84.00%
ORD: 83.71%
IAD: 79.85%
PWM: 79.64% - this did better than I expected
EWR: 77.15%
HHH: 72.42%
CHS: 69.40%
RSW: 64.19%
PNS: 60.90%

After reading up on WN cuts through early June in peer markets, here's what I see for PIT:

Complete loss of DAL (yet again), loss of 1 daily DEN & MCO, and RSW a bare min schedule. However, during these early June cuts LAS actually sees an increase to 2x daily and BWI an increase to 4x daily. So all in all not too bad here.

But while looking at this I found what WN has loaded for later in June is quite a nice surprise in terms of overall capacity increases. This of course will most likely be trimmed, but here is what they have for now:

BWI 5x daily
MYR 8x weekly (up from 5x weekly last year)
ATL 1x daily
MCO 4x daily (6 on Sat)
FLL 1x daily (2x on Sat)
TPA 2x daily (5x on Sat !!)
SRQ 1x weekly
RSW 1x daily (3x on Sat)
MDW 6x daily
STL 1x daily
BNA 2x daily
DAL 6x weekly
DEN 2x daily
PHX 1x daily
LAS 1x daily

BWI at 5x daily would be the highest frequency they ever operated on the route, and 2 more daily flights than what they are currently operating. MDW would also be two more daily flights than what they are currently operating.

flyPIT wrote:

After reading up on WN cuts through early June in peer markets, here's what I see for PIT:

Complete loss of DAL (yet again), loss of 1 daily DEN & MCO, and RSW a bare min schedule. However, during these early June cuts LAS actually sees an increase to 2x daily and BWI an increase to 4x daily. So all in all not too bad here.

But while looking at this I found what WN has loaded for later in June is quite a nice surprise in terms of overall capacity increases. This of course will most likely be trimmed, but here is what they have for now:

BWI 5x daily
MYR 8x weekly (up from 5x weekly last year)
ATL 1x daily
MCO 4x daily (6 on Sat)
FLL 1x daily (2x on Sat)
TPA 2x daily (5x on Sat !!)
SRQ 1x weekly
RSW 1x daily (3x on Sat)
MDW 6x daily
STL 1x daily
BNA 2x daily
DAL 6x weekly
DEN 2x daily
PHX 1x daily
LAS 1x daily

BWI at 5x daily would be the highest frequency they ever operated on the route, and 2 more daily flights than what they are currently operating. MDW would also be two more daily flights than what they are currently operating.

Later June schedule was the original June schedule before the cuts started yesterday to June 5-11. By the end of the week all of June will match what June 5-11 has now.

flyPIT wrote:

After reading up on WN cuts through early June in peer markets, here's what I see for PIT:

Complete loss of DAL (yet again), loss of 1 daily DEN & MCO, and RSW a bare min schedule. However, during these early June cuts LAS actually sees an increase to 2x daily and BWI an increase to 4x daily. So all in all not too bad here.

But while looking at this I found what WN has loaded for later in June is quite a nice surprise in terms of overall capacity increases. This of course will most likely be trimmed, but here is what they have for now:

BWI 5x daily
MYR 8x weekly (up from 5x weekly last year)
ATL 1x daily
MCO 4x daily (6 on Sat)
FLL 1x daily (2x on Sat)
TPA 2x daily (5x on Sat !!)
SRQ 1x weekly
RSW 1x daily (3x on Sat)
MDW 6x daily
STL 1x daily
BNA 2x daily
DAL 6x weekly
DEN 2x daily
PHX 1x daily
LAS 1x daily

BWI at 5x daily would be the highest frequency they ever operated on the route, and 2 more daily flights than what they are currently operating. MDW would also be two more daily flights than what they are currently operating.

The later June will be cut to reflect early June in the coming days, they cut one week each day normally.

Also PIT-TPA was 5x, PIT-MCO was 6x, and PIT-RSW was 3x on Saturdays last year

https://wandr.me/BTS/

Jshank83 wrote:

Later June schedule was the original June schedule before the cuts started yesterday to June 5-11. By the end of the week all of June will match what June 5-11 has now.

Midwestindy wrote:

The later June will be cut to reflect early June in the coming days, they cut one week each day normally.

Also PIT-TPA was 5x, PIT-MCO was 6x, and PIT-RSW was 3x on Saturdays last year

https://wandr.me/BTS/

Yes. Point was what they originally loaded is quite an increase over recent years overall.

JamesRenard wrote:

While I had the stats, I worked out the 2021 LFs for destinations from PIT as well.
Breeze Airways (MX)
PVD 58.55%
CHS 54.14%
BDL 51.43%
ORF 49.98%

Yikes. Hopefully these improve some for MX going into the summer.
Based on the airports they are flying into you'd assume they are mostly going after leisure travel. I see some advertisement for the routes, but ultimately I feel most people find these direct flight options just from doing a Google Flights/Expedia search. One problem I could foresee is the average person before MX launched is used to flying direct to BOS vs connecting somewhere to PVD. They might not be aware there is a direct flight option that's more convenient.

Speaking of Breeze, with today's schedule extension PIT-ORF is axed after early Sept and the 3 remaining routes are each cut to 2x weekly.

Looking at the loads— allegiant surprises me too. Granted the yearly figures may be skewed by Covid seasonality but one would think they need full planes to make money at their fare levels. Only one route above 80%.


Deltas loads surprisingly blah too.

JamesRenard wrote:

RAP: 46.58% - one and done, most likely

Sad - I booked myself on that and it was a great way to get to explore some of SD. I'd take it every year if it were there. But so hard to fill a plane if for only 2 flights.

ncflyer wrote:

Looking at the loads— allegiant surprises me too. Granted the yearly figures may be skewed by Covid seasonality but one would think they need full planes to make money at their fare levels. Only one route above 80%.


Deltas loads surprisingly blah too.

Jan-Mar did a real number on Allegiant's LFs, so I recalculated them to cover only Apr-Dec to see how much they recovered. Most of them got bumped up.

SFB: 83.62% (+6.17%)
PIE: 82.41% (+5.10%)
AUS: 81.47% (+4.45%)
VPS: 80.92% (±0.00%)
JAX: 80.81% (+3.49%)
PGD: 80.45% (+2.73%)
SRQ: 79.36% (+3.29%)
PBI: 77.77% (+2.80%)
EYW: 77.38% (±0.00%)
MYR: 73.59% (±0.00%)
SAV: 68.47% (+3.70%)
CHS: 66.27% (+4.40%)
ORF: 62.12% (±0.00%)
MSY: 60.90% (+16.63%)
MLB: 56.23% (±0.00%)
BNA: 55.06% (+4.42%)
RAP: 46.58% (±0.00%)
AZA: 43.92% (±0.00%)

JamesRenard wrote:

ncflyer wrote:

Looking at the loads— allegiant surprises me too. Granted the yearly figures may be skewed by Covid seasonality but one would think they need full planes to make money at their fare levels. Only one route above 80%.


Deltas loads surprisingly blah too.

Jan-Mar did a real number on Allegiant's LFs, so I recalculated them to cover only Apr-Dec to see how much they recovered. Most of them got bumped up.

SFB: 83.62% (+6.17%)
PIE: 82.41% (+5.10%)
AUS: 81.47% (+4.45%)
VPS: 80.92% (±0.00%)
JAX: 80.81% (+3.49%)
PGD: 80.45% (+2.73%)
SRQ: 79.36% (+3.29%)
PBI: 77.77% (+2.80%)
EYW: 77.38% (±0.00%)
MYR: 73.59% (±0.00%)
SAV: 68.47% (+3.70%)
CHS: 66.27% (+4.40%)
ORF: 62.12% (±0.00%)
MSY: 60.90% (+16.63%)
MLB: 56.23% (±0.00%)
BNA: 55.06% (+4.42%)
RAP: 46.58% (±0.00%)
AZA: 43.92% (±0.00%)

March and April 2022 loads are through the roof on pretty much everything they are currently running. I expected to see a drop off going into April but although down a couple of points on a couple of routes that hasn't materialized yet. Florida still going very strong.

Flaps wrote:

JamesRenard wrote:

ncflyer wrote:

Looking at the loads— allegiant surprises me too. Granted the yearly figures may be skewed by Covid seasonality but one would think they need full planes to make money at their fare levels. Only one route above 80%.


Deltas loads surprisingly blah too.

Jan-Mar did a real number on Allegiant's LFs, so I recalculated them to cover only Apr-Dec to see how much they recovered. Most of them got bumped up.

SFB: 83.62% (+6.17%)
PIE: 82.41% (+5.10%)
AUS: 81.47% (+4.45%)
VPS: 80.92% (±0.00%)
JAX: 80.81% (+3.49%)
PGD: 80.45% (+2.73%)
SRQ: 79.36% (+3.29%)
PBI: 77.77% (+2.80%)
EYW: 77.38% (±0.00%)
MYR: 73.59% (±0.00%)
SAV: 68.47% (+3.70%)
CHS: 66.27% (+4.40%)
ORF: 62.12% (±0.00%)
MSY: 60.90% (+16.63%)
MLB: 56.23% (±0.00%)
BNA: 55.06% (+4.42%)
RAP: 46.58% (±0.00%)
AZA: 43.92% (±0.00%)

March and April 2022 loads are through the roof on pretty much everything they are currently running. I expected to see a drop off going into April but although down a couple of points on a couple of routes that hasn't materialized yet. Florida still going very strong.

Thanks for the insight. Hope that is true of other carriers as well. Any insight on early booking for LHR?