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Boston Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:49 pm

Welcome to the Boston Aviation Thread 2022. Please continue your discussion and to post your news below.

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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:47 pm

DL will launch many new routes out of BOS this summer, as previously announced
-TLV; May 26th
-ATH; May 27th
-DEN/BWI/SAN; July 11th
Also, glad to see DL resume most of its TATL network out of BOS this year (LIS, DUB, EDI, CDG, FCO).
-Could we see DL launch LGW as previously announced in 2019?
-What about more Latin American leisure routes like BZE, LIR, or SJO?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:33 pm

rjbesikof wrote:
DL will launch many new routes out of BOS this summer, as previously announced

-Could we see DL launch LGW as previously announced in 2019?


In 2022 I doubt it, 23 is another story. By then B6 maybe running BOS-LGW. When LGW was announced it was a bit of a shot over the bow of DY, but VS didn’t really have the metal to make it work.
Unlike many on this site . I do believe that even though LHR is the place most (including DL) prefer to be. LGW does have a place in the structure, especially now that DY is gone. I can’t remember how well financially on that route, but they were some of the best loads i saw anywhere on 344 seat 789’s.

So the answer for me is never say never, but I think B6 will need to blink first.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:44 pm

I think JetBlue would make a fortune going to LGW. Most, if not all those JetBlue pax will be terminating in London. If they offer a good price to LGW…that’s where the pax will happily go.

I’m excited to see what happens on the international scale for Boston. Delta is certainly going in aggressively, and I’m sure their partners AF-KL, VS, will likely get roped along. I think summer 2022 will start to look more like pre-covid. And to add to that excitement, believe it or not we’re only really a few months away from the summer schedule.

On a personal note, my carrier has seen fit to have me ride into 2022 in a different role, and a different airport. All very positive changes. So I’ll be joining the rest of you on the side lines and watching BOS grow from afar. But aviation runs in cycles, and Boston is home so I’ll find my way back eventually.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:13 pm

FGITD wrote:
I think JetBlue would make a fortune going to LGW. Most, if not all those JetBlue pax will be terminating in London. If they offer a good price to LGW…that’s where the pax will happily go.

I’m excited to see what happens on the international scale for Boston. Delta is certainly going in aggressively, and I’m sure their partners AF-KL, VS, will likely get roped along. I think summer 2022 will start to look more like pre-covid. And to add to that excitement, believe it or not we’re only really a few months away from the summer schedule.

On a personal note, my carrier has seen fit to have me ride into 2022 in a different role, and a different airport. All very positive changes. So I’ll be joining the rest of you on the side lines and watching BOS grow from afar. But aviation runs in cycles, and Boston is home so I’ll find my way back eventually.

Congratulations. I don’t post much but I do actively follow and have always appreciated your contributions and “inside look” at what’s happening.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2022

Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:38 pm

Same here !
Best of luck to you at your new station
Have a great 22
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2022

Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:15 pm

FGITD wrote:
On a personal note, my carrier has seen fit to have me ride into 2022 in a different role, and a different airport. All very positive changes. So I’ll be joining the rest of you on the side lines and watching BOS grow from afar. But aviation runs in cycles, and Boston is home so I’ll find my way back eventually.

Best of luck to you in your new role.

I flew in on BA0215 last night. It was a newly refurbished, 4-class 772 and there wasn't an empty seat to be found in J, Y+, or Y. I didn't get to peek inside the F cabin but if the rest of the plane was any indication, that was probably well occupied too. Amazing LF considering all that's going on and LHR T5 is still one of my least favorite airports for connections.
Arriving in BOS at 7pm we were the only arrival so immigration lines were non-existent and the bags were waiting for me by the time we arrived downstairs. I was in my car by 8pm and that included a 10-15 min wait at the curb for the shuttle pickup.
Logan still doesn't have the automated immigration kiosks. Not a big deal now that traffic volume is low but come Summer that will be a problem, as it was this past Summer.
Happy New Year!
 
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Sat Jan 01, 2022 6:50 pm

FGITD wrote:
On a personal note, my carrier has seen fit to have me ride into 2022 in a different role, and a different airport. All very positive changes. So I’ll be joining the rest of you on the side lines and watching BOS grow from afar. But aviation runs in cycles, and Boston is home so I’ll find my way back eventually.

Congratulations and wish you the best in your new role!

Domestic looks promising too and new stations -the AA/B6 and DL look promising for new domestic adds IMO.
 
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Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:24 pm

My ideas for 2022:
DL adds STL, IAH, PHX
AA adds ORF, YUL
B6 enters LHR or LGW
Flair and Viva Colombia start BOS
 
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Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:48 am

aaflyer777 wrote:
My ideas for 2022:
DL adds STL, IAH, PHX
AA adds ORF, YUL


I had recently asked the question regarding possible competitive adds out of BOS by AA and DL in a discussion at viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1468387.

In addition to BOS-STL/IAH/PHX, there are some other competitive adds such as BOS-SDF/PDX/ROC/SAT that DL could make out of BOS.
 
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Sun Jan 02, 2022 3:46 am

It will be interesting to see what happens the next couple of months with Omicron. But through October, Logan was outpacing Massport's high end projections for passenger numbers for the year.
 
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Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:56 pm

Perhaps out of an abundance of caution (pessimism?), Emirates shows no sign of replacing the 77W with the A380. On the other hand, EK is notorious for turning on a dime and making aircraft switches with minimal advance notice.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2022

Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:38 pm

I have no clue if any new carriers will decide to start service in 2022.

Predictions of route announcements:

B6 - both LGW/LHR plus another warm sunny destination (ANU or SJD)
AA - OMA
DL - They play monkey see monkey do and announce BOS-SDF, they also go into MSN, and they may try MAN especially if B6 were to launch.
G4- I have been thinking a lot of G4 especially if the pandemic lingers on. They announces two of these (SBN, GSP, GSO, DSM, LEX) and both will be 2-3 weekly.


rjbesikof wrote:
DL will launch many new routes out of BOS this summer, as previously announced
-TLV; May 26th
-ATH; May 27th
-DEN/BWI/SAN; July 11th
Also, glad to see DL resume most of its TATL network out of BOS this year (LIS, DUB, EDI, CDG, FCO).
-Could we see DL launch LGW as previously announced in 2019?
-What about more Latin American leisure routes like BZE, LIR, or SJO?


WS will finally start BOS-YYC in May and carries DL code.
 
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Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:25 pm

FGITD wrote:
I think JetBlue would make a fortune going to LGW. Most, if not all those JetBlue pax will be terminating in London. If they offer a good price to LGW…that’s where the pax will happily go.

I’m excited to see what happens on the international scale for Boston. Delta is certainly going in aggressively, and I’m sure their partners AF-KL, VS, will likely get roped along. I think summer 2022 will start to look more like pre-covid. And to add to that excitement, believe it or not we’re only really a few months away from the summer schedule.

On a personal note, my carrier has seen fit to have me ride into 2022 in a different role, and a different airport. All very positive changes. So I’ll be joining the rest of you on the side lines and watching BOS grow from afar. But aviation runs in cycles, and Boston is home so I’ll find my way back eventually.


Congratulations on the new role and the new airport. Your rational, insider perspective on BOS will be missed but I hope you’ll continue to post in here with us.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2022

Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:54 pm

BOS Nov-2021 numbers are out.

Total Nov-2021 pax: 2,471,462 (YTD Nov-2020) 755,877 (+227%)

Detailed nos:

Nov-21 Nov-20 % change
Domestic Charter 1,087 908 19.7%
Domestic Commuter 252,050 28,091 797.3%
Domestic Jet 1,940,049 650,504 198.2%
Total Domestic 2,193,186 679,503 222.8%
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 75,783 43,062 76.0%
Canada 23,661 2,833 735.2%
Central America 17,152 3,885 341.5%
Europe 123,520 12,867 860.0%
Middle East 25,930 8,110 219.7%
South America - - #DIV/0!
Trans-Pacific 3,192 1,595 100.1%
Australia - -
North Africa - - #DIV/0!
Other International - -
Total International 269,238 72,352 272.1%
General Aviation 9,038 4,022 124.7%
Total airport passengers 2,471,462 755,877 227.0%

Stats from 2017:

Month Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax
Jan 2017 2,603,998 494,741 2018 2,576,261 468,439 2019 2,710,036 521,356 2020 2,940,985 579,541 2021 740,247 106,827
Feb 2017 2,369,960 411,816 2018 2,605,207 422,707 2019 2,716,724 460,049 2020 2,890,513 487,442 2021 731,029 76,748
Mar 2017 3,076,023 540,036 2018 3,197,326 578,154 2019 3,457,362 631,858 2020 1,634,101 274,615 2021 1,070,171 115,832
Apr 2017 3,271,833 620,923 2018 3,508,607 613,000 2019 3,647,276 707,159 2020 95,352 5,843 2021 1,427,287 142,054
May 2017 3,466,805 659,326 2018 3,705,129 672,304 2019 3,879,343 775,024 2020 203,328 6,216 2021 1,744,185 144,375
Jun 2017 3,552,952 710,313 2018 3,843,131 742,437 2019 3,946,406 847,877 2020 438,266 18,647 2021 2,121,185 206,547
Jul 2017 3,683,573 764,325 2018 3,999,933 798,900 2019 4,072,082 891,642 2020 738,135 72,351 2021 2,570,680 304,010
Aug 2017 3,757,903 772,812 2018 4,044,126 821,417 2019 4,120,937 898,759 2020 701,627 73,699 2021 2,587,063 350,377
Sep 2017 3,178,011 640,539 2018 3,393,644 697,082 2019 3,547,546 724,791 2020 633,357 65,793 2021 2,226,035 260,481
Oct 2017 3,431,263 581,481 2018 3,677,923 651,839 2019 3,771,212 686,063 2020 781,755 69,357 2021 2,579,783 244,004
Nov 2017 3,089,200 483,354 2018 3,296,694 539,610 2019 3,264,105 552,066 2020 755,877 72,352 2021 2,471,462 269,238
Dec 2017 2,930,898 483,354 2018 3,093,944 577,998 2019 3,389,382 621,349 2020 801,430 112,436 2021
38,412,419 7,163,020 40,941,925 7,583,887 42,522,411 8,317,993 12,618,128 1,838,292 20,269,127 2,220,493
 
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Wed Jan 05, 2022 5:04 am

Fun point to deliberate on -

El Al has a job opening for a station manager for Boston
 
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Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:02 pm

FGITD wrote:
Fun point to deliberate on -

El Al has a job opening for a station manager for Boston


Looks like they have loaded TLV-BOS flights. I just did a few dummy bookings on LY15/16 are running 1x weekly, from what I can tell. I looked in My and June. Operated by 788.
 
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Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:42 pm

Now that the holiday rush is dying down, how are international loads looking?

I'm booked on a Wednesday night BA214 in mid-Feb... curious whether there will be that many others onboard with me...
 
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Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:56 pm

seat24charlie wrote:
Now that the holiday rush is dying down, how are international loads looking?

I'm booked on a Wednesday night BA214 in mid-Feb... curious whether there will be that many others onboard with me...


For what it's worth, during the holidays I took BA238 (the morning departure), and it was half empty. On the return I took BA215 and there wasn't an empty seat in the entire plane. I'm going to go on limb and guess that a Wed flight in mid Feb will probably be half empty :)
 
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Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:28 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
DL - They play monkey see monkey do and announce BOS-SDF


I think there may be some subsidies or guarantees involved in the AA BOS-SDF flight — there were for SDF-LAX, and the group that was behind that in 2017 had BOS as its other priority route:

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/n ... 516145001/
 
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Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:57 pm

B752OS wrote:
FGITD wrote:
Fun point to deliberate on -

El Al has a job opening for a station manager for Boston


Looks like they have loaded TLV-BOS flights. I just did a few dummy bookings on LY15/16 are running 1x weekly, from what I can tell. I looked in My and June. Operated by 788.


I looked on ITA-Matrix and got 2 weekly (Sun Thurs) starting 3/27/22. Similar schedule with the plane on the ground for a good portion of the day at Logan.
 
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Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:51 pm

airbazar wrote:
seat24charlie wrote:
Now that the holiday rush is dying down, how are international loads looking?

I'm booked on a Wednesday night BA214 in mid-Feb... curious whether there will be that many others onboard with me...


For what it's worth, during the holidays I took BA238 (the morning departure), and it was half empty. On the return I took BA215 and there wasn't an empty seat in the entire plane. I'm going to go on limb and guess that a Wed flight in mid Feb will probably be half empty :)


This is certainly how it's looking! I haven't flown since Jan 2020 and am not normally nervous, but have been really feeling it as the trip approaches.
 
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Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:53 pm

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Perhaps out of an abundance of caution (pessimism?), Emirates shows no sign of replacing the 77W with the A380. On the other hand, EK is notorious for turning on a dime and making aircraft switches with minimal advance notice.


Depends on the demand for flights to South Asia. If there's a sharp increase, I expect the switch to happen all across their network to North America.
 
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Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:38 pm

Interesting article - https://simpleflying.com/air-india-us-destinations/

Air India is scheduled to change hands from Govt. Of India to be taken over by Tata. Boston is a list of potential destination and that would be BIG - but they do not have the widebody planes.
 
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Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:20 pm

iyerhari wrote:
Interesting article - https://simpleflying.com/air-india-us-destinations/

Air India is scheduled to change hands from Govt. Of India to be taken over by Tata. Boston is a list of potential destination and that would be BIG - but they do not have the widebody planes.


If BOS ever gets a non-stop to India, I'd expect to see Vistara beat AI to it.
But to be honest, with the current environment, I think any airline would have a hard time competing with EK/QR. Doing the international to domestic transition after landing in India is much harder with all the COVID related entry protocols. I think most prefer to transit internationally via DXB, DOH, or Europe.

And while O&D to South Asia is pretty strong here, its still nothing like that of NY/NJ, Chicago, or the Bay Area. So I wouldn't be too hopeful on getting a non-stop to India any time soon.
 
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Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:21 pm

airbazar wrote:
seat24charlie wrote:
Now that the holiday rush is dying down, how are international loads looking?

I'm booked on a Wednesday night BA214 in mid-Feb... curious whether there will be that many others onboard with me...


For what it's worth, during the holidays I took BA238 (the morning departure), and it was half empty. On the return I took BA215 and there wasn't an empty seat in the entire plane. I'm going to go on limb and guess that a Wed flight in mid Feb will probably be half empty :)


Bear in mind that the timing of BA 238 may not be the most favorable as the late evening arrival in LHR does not give much time for onward connections.

Thinking back to years ago, when BA was sending 4 daily flights to BOS, the evening departures (BA 212/213, 214/215, 202/203) were frequently operated by 747's. However, BA238/239 was almost always on a 772 or 787, even during the peak summer season. . So I think it is safe to say that the morning flight is generally harder to fill than the evening/night time departures.
 
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Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:00 pm

acavpics wrote:
airbazar wrote:
seat24charlie wrote:
Now that the holiday rush is dying down, how are international loads looking?

I'm booked on a Wednesday night BA214 in mid-Feb... curious whether there will be that many others onboard with me...


For what it's worth, during the holidays I took BA238 (the morning departure), and it was half empty. On the return I took BA215 and there wasn't an empty seat in the entire plane. I'm going to go on limb and guess that a Wed flight in mid Feb will probably be half empty :)


Bear in mind that the timing of BA 238 may not be the most favorable as the late evening arrival in LHR does not give much time for onward connections.

Thinking back to years ago, when BA was sending 4 daily flights to BOS, the evening departures (BA 212/213, 214/215, 202/203) were frequently operated by 747's. However, BA238/239 was almost always on a 772 or 787, even during the peak summer season. . So I think it is safe to say that the morning flight is generally harder to fill than the evening/night time departures.

I may be totally wrong, but I think the need/value for BA 238 may be diminished today as compared to years ago. Prior to the introduction of the "ME2" (EK/QR) and JL, KE and CX to the BOS market, BA 238 was the best option for onward connections beyond Europe. That appeal is not as great today. I know we use it for business travel from time to time, but it's all O&D for early morning meetings where the overnight isn't an attractive option. Business travel for beyond LHR is on the other options.
 
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Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:38 pm

acavpics wrote:
Thinking back to years ago, when BA was sending 4 daily flights to BOS, the evening departures (BA 212/213, 214/215, 202/203) were frequently operated by 747's. However, BA238/239 was almost always on a 772 or 787, even during the peak summer season. . So I think it is safe to say that the morning flight is generally harder to fill than the evening/night time departures.


Be careful when comparing BA's 772's with 744's. Their hi-j 744s have 275 seats. The same number as their least dense 3-class 772. BA's other 744 config seats 345 while their most dense 772 seats 336. As you can see the capacity isn't all that different depending on what version is flown. The 772 that I flew back on was a 4-class type with only 224 seats, even fewer than the one used for the morning flight.

But in regards to the morning flight, I don't think many people even know about the existence of a morning departure to Europe, especially when it's often more expensive than the evening departures. The morning departure has always been my preferred way to cross the pond so I always look for it. Very rarely is it cheaper than an evening option. And it's not just the connections on the LHR side that may pose an issue, it's also the difficulty in getting to the airport that early. However I've done it enough times that I've developed a pretty good system: get an airport hotel room with parking included, it often comes out cheaper than just the traditional airport parking and it saves the hassle of driving.

At one point there were 2 morning departures to LHR. One from BA and one from AA. So clearly the demand existed for a morning departure but I think it lost some with the introduction of EK and QR flights. I think the evening arrival in LHR provided a good number of connections to Asia and Africa. Today there are many other options for those destinations.
 
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Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:47 pm

acavpics wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
Interesting article - https://simpleflying.com/air-india-us-destinations/

Air India is scheduled to change hands from Govt. Of India to be taken over by Tata. Boston is a list of potential destination and that would be BIG - but they do not have the widebody planes.


If BOS ever gets a non-stop to India, I'd expect to see Vistara beat AI to it.
But to be honest, with the current environment, I think any airline would have a hard time competing with EK/QR. Doing the international to domestic transition after landing in India is much harder with all the COVID related entry protocols. I think most prefer to transit internationally via DXB, DOH, or Europe.

And while O&D to South Asia is pretty strong here, its still nothing like that of NY/NJ, Chicago, or the Bay Area. So I wouldn't be too hopeful on getting a non-stop to India any time soon.


Vistara only plans to have 6 789's at this time. AI has 27 788's and it is used on IAD-DEL a longer route than BOS-DEL . Agree with you about the current environment though I would not want to go against EK/QR and the European 1 stop options right now.
 
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Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:02 pm

iyerhari wrote:
Interesting article - https://simpleflying.com/air-india-us-destinations/

Air India is scheduled to change hands from Govt. Of India to be taken over by Tata. Boston is a list of potential destination and that would be BIG - but they do not have the widebody planes.



When did they get rid of the wide bodies? (Edit - I misread - I think you were saying that they don't have enough wide bodies, not that they don't have any.)

It will be interesting to see what Tata does with Air India. I've traveled to India for work over the years and I love going. However, my Indian colleagues despise (I'm not sure this is even a strong enough word) Air India and tell me never to fly it.
 
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Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:09 am

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It will be interesting to see what Tata does with Air India. I've traveled to India for work over the years and I love going. However, my Indian colleagues despise (I'm not sure this is even a strong enough word) Air India and tell me never to fly it.
Ditto

Unless your destination is served direct from BOS I think most people would prefer the intl-intl connection in the ME or Europe. I am certainly one of those people.
 
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Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:54 pm

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Ditto

Unless your destination is served direct from BOS I think most people would prefer the intl-intl connection in the ME or Europe. I am certainly one of those people.

ME2 have a significant presence in India. I just did a count -

QR - 13 destinations
EK - 9 destinations

That is a solid route list that caters to a lot of destinations across India. I agree with the sentiment that ME2 carriers have a lot of sway but bear also in mind, India is huge population. There are tons of student population and coupled with IT, life sciences and or finance services - chances are any carrier will fly to either Delhi and if maybe BOM. BOS still ranks as the top rank preferred university destination in India at-least a wish list to enter in.
 
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Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:42 pm

Why isn’t the BA 238/239 rotation a 788 if the BOS-LHR leg is so light? I’ve taken it several times…777s and 789s and it’s never been full. Only thing I can fathom is that the inbound demands a lot of seats and they’re willing to lose a little on the return leg.
 
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Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:02 am

iyerhari wrote:
johhn14 wrote:
Ditto

Unless your destination is served direct from BOS I think most people would prefer the intl-intl connection in the ME or Europe. I am certainly one of those people.

ME2 have a significant presence in India. I just did a count -

QR - 13 destinations
EK - 9 destinations

That is a solid route list that caters to a lot of destinations across India. I agree with the sentiment that ME2 carriers have a lot of sway but bear also in mind, India is huge population. There are tons of student population and coupled with IT, life sciences and or finance services - chances are any carrier will fly to either Delhi and if maybe BOM. BOS still ranks as the top rank preferred university destination in India at-least a wish list to enter in.


FlyDubai, Air India, Vistara connections are bookable on EK's site and QR is partnered up with IndiGo so when things get back to pre-Covid there may be more 1-stop itineraries via DOH and DXB.
 
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Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:05 am

adamh8297 wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
johhn14 wrote:
Ditto

Unless your destination is served direct from BOS I think most people would prefer the intl-intl connection in the ME or Europe. I am certainly one of those people.

ME2 have a significant presence in India. I just did a count -

QR - 13 destinations
EK - 9 destinations

That is a solid route list that caters to a lot of destinations across India. I agree with the sentiment that ME2 carriers have a lot of sway but bear also in mind, India is huge population. There are tons of student population and coupled with IT, life sciences and or finance services - chances are any carrier will fly to either Delhi and if maybe BOM. BOS still ranks as the top rank preferred university destination in India at-least a wish list to enter in.


FlyDubai, Air India, Vistara connections are bookable on EK's site and QR is partnered up with IndiGo so when things get back to pre-Covid there may be more 1-stop itineraries via DOH and DXB.


Vistara will launch EWR & not much more to the US in the next few years. Eventually BOS will get a nonstop. Probably from Delta!
 
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Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:25 pm

did LY serve BOS before 2020?
 
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Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:36 pm

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did LY serve BOS before 2020?
Yes they did. They started in 2015, I believe, with 767-300s. I loved the convenience of that route; the 767s continued through late 2018/early 2019 when they were replaced by the 777s. Not surprisingly the 777s were much nicer. Looking forward to welcoming the dreamliner soon!
 
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Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:28 pm

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Why isn’t the BA 238/239 rotation a 788 if the BOS-LHR leg is so light? I’ve taken it several times…777s and 789s and it’s never been full. Only thing I can fathom is that the inbound demands a lot of seats and they’re willing to lose a little on the return leg.

You're probably right. The extra connections you get with the late departure from LHR probably helps make up for the lighter loads on the Eastbound leg. They also have very few 788's and BOS is a relatively short route with very high yields so they likely have routes where the 788 is better suited for. I did take a full morning flight once but it was on AA when the route operated with a 763. The flight was completely full.
One thing I know for sure and that is, I love this daytime flight. I'm predominantly a *A flier and the BA morning departure is when I make an exception :)
 
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Sun Jan 16, 2022 3:59 pm

I see that Delta is showing TATL departures from Terminal E following the European time change in late March. I'm not sure if it was mentioned in last year's topic: is it confirmed? Any talk of an airside shuttle from A?
 
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Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:35 pm

rove312 wrote:
I see that Delta is showing TATL departures from Terminal E following the European time change in late March. I'm not sure if it was mentioned in last year's topic: is it confirmed? Any talk of an airside shuttle from A?


How are you seeing departure gates for flights in March?
 
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Sun Jan 16, 2022 6:28 pm

rove312 wrote:
I see that Delta is showing TATL departures from Terminal E following the European time change in late March. I'm not sure if it was mentioned in last year's topic: is it confirmed? Any talk of an airside shuttle from A?


What's the PreCheck situation in E? It's been a while since I departed from there. The (landside) walk from A to E isn't bad, though, so if security isn't a big holdup in E an airside bus might actually take longer because it would need to take a circuitous route that crosses a number of taxi lanes and dozens of gate lead-in lines.
 
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Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:03 pm

I posted some time ago in the old thread that Delta would be using E for some departures. Pretty much no one was thrilled with the layout, but it enables more flights and that’s always a good thing.

A shuttle bus between A and E would be useless, in my opinion. As someone who’s done that drive ramp-side many times, if you get stuck doing it during a bank of JetBlue departures or arrivals…get ready for a 30 minute drive
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:35 pm

RobertS975 wrote:
rove312 wrote:
I see that Delta is showing TATL departures from Terminal E following the European time change in late March. I'm not sure if it was mentioned in last year's topic: is it confirmed? Any talk of an airside shuttle from A?


How are you seeing departure gates for flights in March?


I'm not seeing the gates, but a search to book the flight includes the departure terminal:
https://imgur.com/a/aU3Qecu
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:42 pm

its going to be interesting how this plays out with all the Europe flights scheduled to leave out of E this year. Although, there is a lot of work inside E that needs to still be done. Wonder what the MCT will be for exiting security and taking the bus to E.
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:18 pm

FGITD wrote:
I posted some time ago in the old thread that Delta would be using E for some departures. Pretty much no one was thrilled with the layout, but it enables more flights and that’s always a good thing.

A shuttle bus between A and E would be useless, in my opinion. As someone who’s done that drive ramp-side many times, if you get stuck doing it during a bank of JetBlue departures or arrivals…get ready for a 30 minute drive


Surely they must find a solution for this, they will undoubtedly sell domestic-international connections via BOS. I can't imagine many people will be too excited to have to re-clear security while walking from A-E
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:27 pm

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FGITD wrote:
I posted some time ago in the old thread that Delta would be using E for some departures. Pretty much no one was thrilled with the layout, but it enables more flights and that’s always a good thing.

A shuttle bus between A and E would be useless, in my opinion. As someone who’s done that drive ramp-side many times, if you get stuck doing it during a bank of JetBlue departures or arrivals…get ready for a 30 minute drive


Surely they must find a solution for this, they will undoubtedly sell domestic-international connections via BOS. I can't imagine many people will be too excited to have to re-clear security while walking from A-E


I’m thinking it’s far more likely that they’ll adhere to a minimum connection time when booking for A to E pax, and then the passengers will be on their own. BOS just isn’t set up for rampside shuttle buses, and leaving it to the pax removes liability on Deltas behalf. If you don’t make it, you can’t blame the shuttle for being late etc. There’s no space for dedicated shuttle lanes, so they’d be mixed in with the rest of the ramp traffic

(A discussion I had many, many times with connecting passengers. You can’t blame the airline if you miss your flight because it took you 90 minutes to walk from any other terminal to E)
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:01 pm

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Surely they must find a solution for this, they will undoubtedly sell domestic-international connections via BOS. I can't imagine many people will be too excited to have to re-clear security while walking from A-E

The ironic thing is that having to re-clear security for a connecting flight is not uncommon in other parts of the world. Recently, like 3 weeks ago I flew from Austria to Boston via LHR and arriving from Austria at T5 all connecting passengers were led to the security checkpoint to clear security before being allowed back into T5. At CDG a few years ago flying BOS-CDG-BLR we had to re-clear security between flight legs. And of course in the U.S. every intl arriving passenger needs to re-clear security as well.
So I don't think that re-clearing security is going to be as big a deal as it may seem. I think a bigger problem could be the distance. A walk from the satellite terminal to terminal E is a long walk even if most of it is covered by moving walkways.
 
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Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:38 pm

FGITD wrote:
BoilerAviation wrote:
FGITD wrote:
I posted some time ago in the old thread that Delta would be using E for some departures. Pretty much no one was thrilled with the layout, but it enables more flights and that’s always a good thing.

A shuttle bus between A and E would be useless, in my opinion. As someone who’s done that drive ramp-side many times, if you get stuck doing it during a bank of JetBlue departures or arrivals…get ready for a 30 minute drive


Surely they must find a solution for this, they will undoubtedly sell domestic-international connections via BOS. I can't imagine many people will be too excited to have to re-clear security while walking from A-E


I’m thinking it’s far more likely that they’ll adhere to a minimum connection time when booking for A to E pax, and then the passengers will be on their own. BOS just isn’t set up for rampside shuttle buses, and leaving it to the pax removes liability on Deltas behalf. If you don’t make it, you can’t blame the shuttle for being late etc. There’s no space for dedicated shuttle lanes, so they’d be mixed in with the rest of the ramp traffic

(A discussion I had many, many times with connecting passengers. You can’t blame the airline if you miss your flight because it took you 90 minutes to walk from any other terminal to E)


I think you're right in terms of minimum connection times. I don't know the extent of the problem Delta has here but I guess this is the best solution so it is what it is ultimately.

I can't help but think though that in the cases where time is tight due to a delay or even during regular connections, this will be an unpleasant experience for a traveler. It is advertised as any normal connection on DL's website but there's a hidden annoyance that domestic US travelers would not be expecting and could dissuade someone from booking a BOS transfer in the future. Maybe I'm overthinking it.

I've bet they've done the math though and it all works out. I love BOS but for me, this is enough to avoid it. Those E security lines can be loooooong.
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:07 pm

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I can't help but think though that in the cases where time is tight due to a delay or even during regular connections, this will be an unpleasant experience for a traveler.

Airlines almost always hold flights in this situation until all passengers make it on board, especially if there is no later departure which is usually the case for international flights. A delay is almost always better than trying to re-accommodate passengers.
 
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Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:52 pm

airbazar wrote:
BoilerAviation wrote:
I can't help but think though that in the cases where time is tight due to a delay or even during regular connections, this will be an unpleasant experience for a traveler.

Airlines almost always hold flights in this situation until all passengers make it on board, especially if there is no later departure which is usually the case for international flights. A delay is almost always better than trying to re-accommodate passengers.


Depends on a number of factors. How many of those pax already onboard have outbound connections from LHR, CDG, FRA, etc? If you delay 10 minutes for 5 pax, are you causing 50 pax to miss their connection on the other end?

When I was making those decisions in BOS I almost never held flights. Wasn’t worth it

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