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boston5555 wrote:Flew out of Term E last Wednesday and thought I’d post some observations.
Arrived early as I expected chaos, but was pleasantly surprised. Was it busy? Yes, E is always busy. Was it crazy? No. Check-in and security lines were manageable and you could find tables at restaurants without much of a wait. Let’s face it, Terminal E has always been a challenge - hence the expansion - but my experience was fine enough. One disclaimer: it was a beautiful evening for flying, so weather did not contribute to delays.
Flew out on DL 258 and, well, it was delayed. My question: is it realistic for DL to expect to turn an 11 hour flight from TLV in 2 hours, without any delays? I question that. DL 243 from TLV is scheduled to arrive at 4:35; DL 258 is scheduled to board at 5:50. Seems unrealistic. On this day, the flight from TLV was on time, but then sat on the tarmac for a good period of time until after 5. Boarding time for our flight commenced an 1+ hour late, at around 7:15. We left late and arrived late, and I missed my connecting flight in AMS (along with many others, given the long line of familiar looking passengers at the service desk at the KLM lounge). Again, this was on a perfect night for flying … add in some weather, and it could have been worse. Just think the flight times are too tight.
One side note - while it was a perfect flying night, there was a BA A380 that diverted from LHR (en route to IAD). This contributed to our delay as we had to wait for its gate to clear and for it to come in behind us, before we could push back. Just an example of one minor hiccup that can have a domino effect.
Will say, though, the DL flight was very pleasant.
And for those connecting in AMS: good luck. It’s a mess - be sure to give yourself plenty of time between connections, especially if checking bags. When at the KLM lounge service desk and trying to rebook to a new flight to BUD I was told that they would not put me on the next one as it didn’t allow enough time for my bags to make the flight … and the next flight was 3 hours after my flight had arrived. Thankfully, as that would mean I wouldn’t get out until the next morning, the agent placed a call and was able to arrange for my bag to make the flight. She said that they have very short staff, especially in baggage, and that it is a problem - with tight connections your bags will not make it, and she described “tight” as less than 2.5 hours. When I arrived in BUD and saw the row upon row of bags, and after looking at all of the AMS bag tag connections, it was clear that there is an issue. Just as an FYI.
boston5555 wrote:
Flew out on DL 258 and, well, it was delayed. My question: is it realistic for DL to expect to turn an 11 hour flight from TLV in 2 hours, without any delays? I question that. DL 243 from TLV is scheduled to arrive at 4:35; DL 258 is scheduled to board at 5:50. Seems unrealistic.
HardingLawrence wrote:Seems like VS11 and TP 215 waited a long time for a gate last night. Also, anyone know why a B6 190 is parked at HYA?
HardingLawrence wrote:Seems like VS11 and TP 215 waited a long time for a gate last night.
boston5555 wrote:And for those connecting in AMS: good luck. It’s a mess - be sure to give yourself plenty of time between connections, especially if checking bags.
pitbosflyer wrote:LH is bringing back some of their A380 fleet next summer.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... to-service
We were scheduled for the A380 to show up on BOS-MUC seasonally until covid struck. What are the chances it shows up next year? Already we are being spoiled with 747s and 340s from LH. I'd be sad to see them swap out one of those, even if it would be exciting to have another carrier bring in the whale. Looking at LH's fleet renewal plans BOS seems to be a good candidate for 777X service at least in the summer months. Of course the 747-8 will still be around as well and likely visiting.
AviationAddict wrote:HardingLawrence wrote:Seems like VS11 and TP 215 waited a long time for a gate last night. Also, anyone know why a B6 190 is parked at HYA?
B6 has been doing seasonal flights from JFK to HYA for a few years.
pitbosflyer wrote:LH is bringing back some of their A380 fleet next summer.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... to-service
We were scheduled for the A380 to show up on BOS-MUC seasonally until covid struck. What are the chances it shows up next year? Already we are being spoiled with 747s and 340s from LH. I'd be sad to see them swap out one of those, even if it would be exciting to have another carrier bring in the whale. Looking at LH's fleet renewal plans BOS seems to be a good candidate for 777X service at least in the summer months. Of course the 747-8 will still be around as well and likely visiting.
tlecam wrote:Another tough night in Terminal E with lots of delays. Not a surprise given the weather here today. Delta managed the IRROPs comparatively worse. THey had several 3 hour-ish delays while other airlines on the same routes were delayed about an hour or less. FCO, AMS, CDG and LHR are all examples. Although one of the AF flights is cancelled.
Supersarestupid wrote:Delta's growing pains continue. From *my* ATC perspective, they're going to need to find a better rhythm if they want to continue to expand. Today, a A339 sat at the mouth of the A1 alley blocking JBU and other operators in and out for in excess of 10 minutes, probably upwards of 15 minutes for gate E4 with an open gate but no parking/ground crew. And it's not a singular event. While I've seen AA and UA with similar issues in the past, DL at terminal E is going to be compiling the issues if they can't find the resources to staff these gates when needed. We're used to B6 gate issues, but DL (and sub) ramp issues are becoming a (multiple) daily occurrence. They simply don't have the gate capacity to do more turns or compensate for weather/flow related hiccups without drastic impact to their ops. As a frequent passenger, I appreciate all the new routes and added capacity, but I'm also becoming more reluctant to book because they're becoming unreliable when the NE has issues as it invariably does with weather, volume, wind, and now staffing. Just my $.02 as a frequent lurker.
PilotJAY16 wrote:Supersarestupid wrote:Delta's growing pains continue. From *my* ATC perspective, they're going to need to find a better rhythm if they want to continue to expand. Today, a A339 sat at the mouth of the A1 alley blocking JBU and other operators in and out for in excess of 10 minutes, probably upwards of 15 minutes for gate E4 with an open gate but no parking/ground crew. And it's not a singular event. While I've seen AA and UA with similar issues in the past, DL at terminal E is going to be compiling the issues if they can't find the resources to staff these gates when needed. We're used to B6 gate issues, but DL (and sub) ramp issues are becoming a (multiple) daily occurrence. They simply don't have the gate capacity to do more turns or compensate for weather/flow related hiccups without drastic impact to their ops. As a frequent passenger, I appreciate all the new routes and added capacity, but I'm also becoming more reluctant to book because they're becoming unreliable when the NE has issues as it invariably does with weather, volume, wind, and now staffing. Just my $.02 as a frequent lurker.
I noticed that last night Delta had a 764 at E1 and DL 763 at E3. Up to what size aircraft can E1-E3 take? I thought they can only fit up to 737/320s. Also, when gates are full at E, is there an option for airlines to deplane/board with air stairs?
B752OS wrote:PilotJAY16 wrote:Supersarestupid wrote:Delta's growing pains continue. From *my* ATC perspective, they're going to need to find a better rhythm if they want to continue to expand. Today, a A339 sat at the mouth of the A1 alley blocking JBU and other operators in and out for in excess of 10 minutes, probably upwards of 15 minutes for gate E4 with an open gate but no parking/ground crew. And it's not a singular event. While I've seen AA and UA with similar issues in the past, DL at terminal E is going to be compiling the issues if they can't find the resources to staff these gates when needed. We're used to B6 gate issues, but DL (and sub) ramp issues are becoming a (multiple) daily occurrence. They simply don't have the gate capacity to do more turns or compensate for weather/flow related hiccups without drastic impact to their ops. As a frequent passenger, I appreciate all the new routes and added capacity, but I'm also becoming more reluctant to book because they're becoming unreliable when the NE has issues as it invariably does with weather, volume, wind, and now staffing. Just my $.02 as a frequent lurker.
I noticed that last night Delta had a 764 at E1 and DL 763 at E3. Up to what size aircraft can E1-E3 take? I thought they can only fit up to 737/320s. Also, when gates are full at E, is there an option for airlines to deplane/board with air stairs?
As of right now, and I pulling this from a slid Massport produced back during the E10-12 expansion, this is how things can fit over in E.
E1 - 752
E2 - 752
E3 - 763
E4 - 77W
E5 - 77W
E6 - 77W
E7 - 744
E8 - 744
E9 - 744
E10 - 380/748
E11 - 380/748
E12 - 380/748
My assumption would be that if there was a 763 at E1 and a 764 at E3, then E2 would not be able to be used due to space.
VS4ever wrote:B752OS wrote:PilotJAY16 wrote:
I noticed that last night Delta had a 764 at E1 and DL 763 at E3. Up to what size aircraft can E1-E3 take? I thought they can only fit up to 737/320s. Also, when gates are full at E, is there an option for airlines to deplane/board with air stairs?
As of right now, and I pulling this from a slid Massport produced back during the E10-12 expansion, this is how things can fit over in E.
E1 - 752
E2 - 752
E3 - 763
E4 - 77W
E5 - 77W
E6 - 77W
E7 - 744
E8 - 744
E9 - 744
E10 - 380/748
E11 - 380/748
E12 - 380/748
My assumption would be that if there was a 763 at E1 and a 764 at E3, then E2 would not be able to be used due to space.
The new gates will be interesting as unless there was a last minute design change they are going to allow 2x 321’s or 1 widebody (assume 330 or 777) for each gate.
B752OS wrote:E1 - 752
E2 - 752
E3 - 763
ncflyer wrote:Former Boston resident so forgive a question that is I’m sure pretty basic. With delta splitting off their international to E are they/mass port operating an A to E shuttle that is beyond security? Or must connecting pax use bus 22/33 or whatever it’s called these days. What a pain if so.
tlecam wrote:That alley between C & E must get tight with wide bodies in there. I remember when United had that pier in C, I always hoped that my SFO flight was at the old C17 so we weren’t in the alley and stuck waiting for planes to get out of the way.
Remember when those gates were Terminal D? Always such an odd terminal.
tlecam wrote:That alley between C & E must get tight with wide bodies in there. I remember when United had that pier in C, I always hoped that my SFO flight was at the old C17 so we weren’t in the alley and stuck waiting for planes to get out of the way.
Remember when those gates were Terminal D? Always such an odd terminal.
airbazar wrote:ncflyer wrote:Former Boston resident so forgive a question that is I’m sure pretty basic. With delta splitting off their international to E are they/mass port operating an A to E shuttle that is beyond security? Or must connecting pax use bus 22/33 or whatever it’s called these days. What a pain if so.
The latter however domestic to intl is the least of the problems as the security line in E is never as bad as in A. I don't think I have ever had to wait in the security line in E more than 10 minutes, and it's usually a lot less than 10. And the reverse, Intl to domestic is not unique to Boston as pax must re-clear security no matter where in the country they connect.
ncflyer wrote:As someone in middle America who has to change planes to travel internationally, Changing buses outside of security as in Boston is a real consideration. Can’t control an OJ if my connection is tight which seems all too common nowadays. Real schlep with carry on and lord knows checking luggage nowadays is out of the question. But with bostons incredible international growth what I think doesn’t much matter!airbazar wrote:ncflyer wrote:Former Boston resident so forgive a question that is I’m sure pretty basic. With delta splitting off their international to E are they/mass port operating an A to E shuttle that is beyond security? Or must connecting pax use bus 22/33 or whatever it’s called these days. What a pain if so.
The latter however domestic to intl is the least of the problems as the security line in E is never as bad as in A. I don't think I have ever had to wait in the security line in E more than 10 minutes, and it's usually a lot less than 10. And the reverse, Intl to domestic is not unique to Boston as pax must re-clear security no matter where in the country they connect.
FGITD wrote:VS4ever wrote:B752OS wrote:
As of right now, and I pulling this from a slid Massport produced back during the E10-12 expansion, this is how things can fit over in E.
E1 - 752
E2 - 752
E3 - 763
E4 - 77W
E5 - 77W
E6 - 77W
E7 - 744
E8 - 744
E9 - 744
E10 - 380/748
E11 - 380/748
E12 - 380/748
My assumption would be that if there was a 763 at E1 and a 764 at E3, then E2 would not be able to be used due to space.
The new gates will be interesting as unless there was a last minute design change they are going to allow 2x 321’s or 1 widebody (assume 330 or 777) for each gate.
As far as I know, that's still the plan. As for how often that'll happen...remains to be seen. Personally I think what's more likely to happen is the narrowbodies will be kept on the 1-6 side, and the widebodies 6+
I believe E3 has also been reassigned into a sort of A/B situation. Basically exactly like it used to be pre re-numbering. E1 used to be El Al's gate with a 763, so that definitely fits. E3 also was or might still be a tow-in gate, capable of taking up to an A333. Only caveat was the jetbridge could only go to 1L...unless in the hands of a skilled operator (not to give myself away...)
PilotJAY16 wrote:FGITD wrote:VS4ever wrote:
The new gates will be interesting as unless there was a last minute design change they are going to allow 2x 321’s or 1 widebody (assume 330 or 777) for each gate.
As far as I know, that's still the plan. As for how often that'll happen...remains to be seen. Personally I think what's more likely to happen is the narrowbodies will be kept on the 1-6 side, and the widebodies 6+
I believe E3 has also been reassigned into a sort of A/B situation. Basically exactly like it used to be pre re-numbering. E1 used to be El Al's gate with a 763, so that definitely fits. E3 also was or might still be a tow-in gate, capable of taking up to an A333. Only caveat was the jetbridge could only go to 1L...unless in the hands of a skilled operator (not to give myself away...)
Yeah I noticed DL’s LHR 764 went out of E1A tonight, as well as DL’s LIS 763. While looking on flightradar I noticed the LIS flight leaving from a parking spot so I didn’t know if they starting busing passengers over or it was a glitch.
FGITD wrote:PilotJAY16 wrote:FGITD wrote:
As far as I know, that's still the plan. As for how often that'll happen...remains to be seen. Personally I think what's more likely to happen is the narrowbodies will be kept on the 1-6 side, and the widebodies 6+
I believe E3 has also been reassigned into a sort of A/B situation. Basically exactly like it used to be pre re-numbering. E1 used to be El Al's gate with a 763, so that definitely fits. E3 also was or might still be a tow-in gate, capable of taking up to an A333. Only caveat was the jetbridge could only go to 1L...unless in the hands of a skilled operator (not to give myself away...)
Yeah I noticed DL’s LHR 764 went out of E1A tonight, as well as DL’s LIS 763. While looking on flightradar I noticed the LIS flight leaving from a parking spot so I didn’t know if they starting busing passengers over or it was a glitch.
It is possible they bussed the flight. Over by E1 there’s a “bus gate” so it’s not a crazy thought. I think we used it once and it was a whole ordeal.
PilotJAY16 wrote:FGITD wrote:PilotJAY16 wrote:
Yeah I noticed DL’s LHR 764 went out of E1A tonight, as well as DL’s LIS 763. While looking on flightradar I noticed the LIS flight leaving from a parking spot so I didn’t know if they starting busing passengers over or it was a glitch.
It is possible they bussed the flight. Over by E1 there’s a “bus gate” so it’s not a crazy thought. I think we used it once and it was a whole ordeal.
Yeah EDI tonight leaves out of GA1 so I’m thinking that stands for “General Aviation 1”, so I’m guess that is the parking spot over near signature
FGITD wrote:PilotJAY16 wrote:FGITD wrote:
It is possible they bussed the flight. Over by E1 there’s a “bus gate” so it’s not a crazy thought. I think we used it once and it was a whole ordeal.
Yeah EDI tonight leaves out of GA1 so I’m thinking that stands for “General Aviation 1”, so I’m guess that is the parking spot over near signature
Correct. The signature spots are GA#, north cargo is NC and south is SC.
What makes it interesting is that Massport had to lease the spots back from signature. Given Deltas operational struggles I’d be curious if they’re being forced to pay
PilotJAY16 wrote:FGITD wrote:PilotJAY16 wrote:
Yeah EDI tonight leaves out of GA1 so I’m thinking that stands for “General Aviation 1”, so I’m guess that is the parking spot over near signature
Correct. The signature spots are GA#, north cargo is NC and south is SC.
What makes it interesting is that Massport had to lease the spots back from signature. Given Deltas operational struggles I’d be curious if they’re being forced to pay
Oh okay so where would passengers and crew leave the terminal from. I haven’t been to Terminal E in years!
kearnet wrote:Last night while taxing for departure on B6 1303, I was shocked/thrilled to see the LH 744 is inservice. Does anyone have any info on how long it'll be on the Boston route or heard how long LH is going to keep it? Flying upper deck on a 744 is one of my big list items and I thought I'd lost the chance. Maybe is I do some major hustling I can still pull it off.
airbazar wrote:kearnet wrote:Last night while taxing for departure on B6 1303, I was shocked/thrilled to see the LH 744 is inservice. Does anyone have any info on how long it'll be on the Boston route or heard how long LH is going to keep it? Flying upper deck on a 744 is one of my big list items and I thought I'd lost the chance. Maybe is I do some major hustling I can still pull it off.
I think it's here all Summer. Earlier this Spring when I was shopping for my flights to Europe I kept seeing the LH 744 on my searches. They also have the A346 on the MUC-BOS router. Worth a try if you've never been on the A346. Quite possibly my favorite plane to fly on.
C777ER wrote:The A343 is the second FRA (LH420) flight, MUC is strictly the A346
boston5555 wrote:Naive question - when the DL wide bodies come in from ATL for their transatlantic flights, do they disembark at Term E? I assume so and that passengers then circumvent customs? I realize that there are likely few connections, but there must be some - and they have to make their way to A?
boston5555 wrote:Naive question - when the DL wide bodies come in from ATL for their transatlantic flights, do they disembark at Term E? I assume so and that passengers then circumvent customs? I realize that there are likely few connections, but there must be some - and they have to make their way to A?
airbazar wrote:boston5555 wrote:Naive question - when the DL wide bodies come in from ATL for their transatlantic flights, do they disembark at Term E? I assume so and that passengers then circumvent customs? I realize that there are likely few connections, but there must be some - and they have to make their way to A?
They have to go to A because there's no space at E. But most of DL's flights departing from E are planes that arrived at E from their TATL routes. However they may still have to vacate the gate until their departure. I looked up yesterday's schedule and only the DUB and 1 AMS came from ATL. All others arrived from Europe.
iyerhari wrote:Returned back from YVR-JFK-BOS. My trip highlights:
1. Originally had booked the nonstop direct to-be started B6 flight to YVR but it got culled. B6 and AC that time were not very off and I felt better with B6 vs. AC for some reason.
2. The inbound flight from JFK to YVR is almost always perennially late but the cycle time between the flights is about an hour but if you add up the delays it comes to under 30 mins which I feel is short for an international flight.
3. Nevertheless, the flight was nice and it left at 12:00 PST and was at JFK by 7:45 am EST. My son slept off so not to complain,
4. I came to know US CBP closes by 6:00 pm local time and hence got routed to T5 immigration. T5 had their own US CBP and we got done in 5 mins as there was almost no line. To be frank, the immigration real estate in T5 looked almost comparable to Logan! Then I told my wife, you are dealing with one of the largest international airport in the planet earth! The international options was just too good to see and I did teach my son different continents and capitals/cities by just seeing the wings. Including Air India! I do not think there is even a comparison
5. T5 is nice and good - this was my first time experience at JFK in over 15 years and the last one was not very pleasant. JFK-BOS non-eventful.
6. Terminal C Logan is nice and I could see a lot of folks connecting using the C-E connector. I still think A and the remodeled B are very nice airport.
7. I am traveling on Thursday using BA (6:55 am) flight to BOM and will have a first-hand experience of Terminal E which I have not been since December-2021.
iyerhari wrote:Returned back from YVR-JFK-BOS. My trip highlights:
1. Originally had booked the nonstop direct to-be started B6 flight to YVR but it got culled. B6 and AC that time were not very off and I felt better with B6 vs. AC for some reason.
2. The inbound flight from JFK to YVR is almost always perennially late but the cycle time between the flights is about an hour but if you add up the delays it comes to under 30 mins which I feel is short for an international flight.
3. Nevertheless, the flight was nice and it left at 12:00 PST and was at JFK by 7:45 am EST. My son slept off so not to complain,
4. I came to know US CBP closes by 6:00 pm local time and hence got routed to T5 immigration. T5 had their own US CBP and we got done in 5 mins as there was almost no line. To be frank, the immigration real estate in T5 looked almost comparable to Logan! Then I told my wife, you are dealing with one of the largest international airport in the planet earth! The international options was just too good to see and I did teach my son different continents and capitals/cities by just seeing the wings. Including Air India! I do not think there is even a comparison
5. T5 is nice and good - this was my first time experience at JFK in over 15 years and the last one was not very pleasant. JFK-BOS non-eventful.
6. Terminal C Logan is nice and I could see a lot of folks connecting using the C-E connector. I still think A and the remodeled B are very nice airport.
7. I am traveling on Thursday using BA (6:55 am) flight to BOM and will have a first-hand experience of Terminal E which I have not been since December-2021.