April-2022 BOS numbers are out

Apr-22 Apr-21 % change
Domestic Charter 1,779 2,010 -11.5%
Domestic Commuter 322,286 93,446 244.9%
Domestic Jet 2,259,962 1,184,571 90.8%
Total Domestic 2,584,027 1,280,027 101.9%
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 148,908 99,091 50.3%
Canada 35,958 - #DIV/0!
Central America 28,262 10,245 175.9%
Europe 237,663 17,624 1248.5%
Middle East 39,890 13,478 196.0%
South America - - #DIV/0!
Trans-Pacific 6,256 1,616 287.1%
Australia - -
North Africa - - #DIV/0!
Other International - -
Total International 496,937 142,054 249.8%
General Aviation 9,746 5,206 87.2%
Total airport passengers 3,090,710 1,427,287 116.5%

Details by month and year

Month Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax
Jan 2017 2,603,998 494,741 2018 2,576,261 468,439 2019 2,710,036 521,356 2020 2,940,985 579,541 2021 740,247 106,827 2022 1,720,697 262,119
Feb 2017 2,369,960 411,816 2018 2,605,207 422,707 2019 2,716,724 460,049 2020 2,890,513 487,442 2021 731,029 76,748 2022 1,893,653 243,817
Mar 2017 3,076,023 540,036 2018 3,197,326 578,154 2019 3,457,362 631,858 2020 1,634,101 274,615 2021 1,070,171 115,832 2022 2,830,353 399,323
Apr 2017 3,271,833 620,923 2018 3,508,607 613,000 2019 3,647,276 707,159 2020 95,352 5,843 2021 1,427,287 142,054 2022 3,090,710 496,937
May 2017 3,466,805 659,326 2018 3,705,129 672,304 2019 3,879,343 775,024 2020 203,328 6,216 2021 1,744,185 144,375 2022
Jun 2017 3,552,952 710,313 2018 3,843,131 742,437 2019 3,946,406 847,877 2020 438,266 18,647 2021 2,121,185 206,547 2022
Jul 2017 3,683,573 764,325 2018 3,999,933 798,900 2019 4,072,082 891,642 2020 738,135 72,351 2021 2,570,680 304,010 2022
Aug 2017 3,757,903 772,812 2018 4,044,126 821,417 2019 4,120,937 898,759 2020 701,627 73,699 2021 2,587,063 350,377 2022
Sep 2017 3,178,011 640,539 2018 3,393,644 697,082 2019 3,547,546 724,791 2020 633,357 65,793 2021 2,226,035 260,481 2022
Oct 2017 3,431,263 581,481 2018 3,677,923 651,839 2019 3,771,212 686,063 2020 781,755 69,357 2021 2,579,783 244,004 2022
Nov 2017 3,089,200 483,354 2018 3,296,694 539,610 2019 3,264,105 552,066 2020 755,877 72,352 2021 2,471,462 269,238 2022
Dec 2017 2,930,898 483,354 2018 3,093,944 577,998 2019 3,389,382 621,349 2020 801,430 112,436 2021 2,409,372 329483 2022
38,412,419 7,163,020 40,941,925 7,583,887 42,522,411 8,317,993 12,618,128 1,838,292 22,678,499 2,549,976 9,535,413 1,402,196

Has anyone flown the KLM 333? Is it 2-3-2 recliners in front still?

Sorry, no, just landed in AMS on DL, no issues with delays or anything except for a horrid gate agent.

tlecam wrote:

Has anyone flown the KLM 333? Is it 2-3-2 recliners in front still?

Haven’t flown it but am familiar with it.

2-2-2 up front, 2-4-2 in back

TK4 made a lunch time pitstop today. Anyone know wny?

With the new international service starting, Delta is doing some more PR hyping up continued Boston growth. Much of the info in this article isn't news, but a few interesting tidbits.

1. Delta is building a new skyclub in E that is "going to be phenomenal.” I don't think this was ever officially confirmed until now? Wonder what that means for the future of things like the Air France and Virgin lounges.
2. Boston just received a shipment of Porsches to shuttle around Delta VIPs and top-tier Medallion members with short connections between flights.
3.Corporate travel is returning quicker in Boston than other Delta hubs. “We’re actually in the mid-to-upper 80% range, whereas other hubs are maybe more like that 60% or 70% range. So, corporate demand has come back faster, in Boston than in other Delta hubs. Assuming the recovery continues, Boston has a long runway for growth. We’re all in on Boston”

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-air ... expansion/

My guess would be that their Sky Club will be in the new expansion over in E. I believe Massport included space for up to 4 new airline clubs that should offer great views of Boston, just like the somewhat new BA club above E12. In order to expand customs facilities, I believe some of the old lounges are being taken, so perhaps this Sky Club will take into account AF and VS lounges probably won't be around for long?

B752OS wrote:

My guess would be that their Sky Club will be in the new expansion over in E. I believe Massport included space for up to 4 new airline clubs that should offer great views of Boston, just like the somewhat new BA club above E12. In order to expand customs facilities, I believe some of the old lounges are being taken, so perhaps this Sky Club will take into account AF and VS lounges probably won't be around for long?

I hope so. That AF lounge in the basement is not great. THe Virgin Lounge was very nice. I used to take the late London flight quite a bit and I liked how they served dinner in the lounge so you could just board and sleep.

Miss spotting at Castle island and Constitution beach. Any chance, DL given their expansion might consider adding SJU? I get that it's not a premium market but they make JFK-SJU work when AA got clobbered in the market by LCCs even before the closure of the SJU hub.

tlecam wrote:

B752OS wrote:

My guess would be that their Sky Club will be in the new expansion over in E. I believe Massport included space for up to 4 new airline clubs that should offer great views of Boston, just like the somewhat new BA club above E12. In order to expand customs facilities, I believe some of the old lounges are being taken, so perhaps this Sky Club will take into account AF and VS lounges probably won't be around for long?

I hope so. That AF lounge in the basement is not great. THe Virgin Lounge was very nice. I used to take the late London flight quite a bit and I liked how they served dinner in the lounge so you could just board and sleep.

Dinner in the lounge is probably one of the most underrated perks there is for such a short redeye flight. BA does the same thing.
There is nothing more annoying than boarding a redeye flight past dinner time, in any cabin and have the crew serve dinner or a light snack immediately after takeoff. I'd gladly pay more to fly an airline that has no cabin service after 9pm It completely defeats the whole purpose of the late night departure.

tlecam wrote:

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I hope so. That AF lounge in the basement is not great. THe Virgin Lounge was very nice. I used to take the late London flight quite a bit and I liked how they served dinner in the lounge so you could just board and sleep.

I used the AF lounge in December and it looked much nicer and quieter. I do not think there is a huge lot of choices and people go where they get spaced Food options - well, it was ok and enough to fill my stomach. I had used the newly modeled BA lounge as well in the year 2018 and it was very good and it seemed the same.

I know that this has come up from time to time, but I think we are starting to see the effects of increased international travel in/out of Boston during peak times, and it's only the beginning of the height of the summer travel season. Take last night for example, the BA, LX and VS incoming flights sat on the tarmac well past their arrival times (admittedly, they arrived earlier, but their sit times then went beyond their scheduled arrival times) due, presumably, to gate and traffic congestion at Terminal E. And this was on a beautiful, clear evening. As a frequent BOS DL flier, I've noticed similar "sit times" waiting for congestion at Terminal A to clear and that was before the addition of the new summer Europe routes (at least those that will depart from Terminal A). While I am thrilled at the additional international activity in and out of Logan, I just wonder how realistic it is to expect it to operate efficiently.

phugoid1982 wrote:

Miss spotting at Castle island and Constitution beach. Any chance, DL given their expansion might consider adding SJU? I get that it's not a premium market but they make JFK-SJU work when AA got clobbered in the market by LCCs even before the closure of the SJU hub.

I don’t know. It looks like it’s a lcc battlefield; B6 is running 4 flights per day and both spirit and frontier have a flight each. Seems like, assuming they get their capacity back with planes and staff, there would be higher yielding opportunities.

boston5555 wrote:

I know that this has come up from time to time, but I think we are starting to see the effects of increased international travel in/out of Boston during peak times, and it's only the beginning of the height of the summer travel season. Take last night for example, the BA, LX and VS incoming flights sat on the tarmac well past their arrival times (admittedly, they arrived earlier, but their sit times then went beyond their scheduled arrival times) due, presumably, to gate and traffic congestion at Terminal E. And this was on a beautiful, clear evening. As a frequent BOS DL flier, I've noticed similar "sit times" waiting for congestion at Terminal A to clear and that was before the addition of the new summer Europe routes (at least those that will depart from Terminal A). While I am thrilled at the additional international activity in and out of Logan, I just wonder how realistic it is to expect it to operate efficiently.

It's going to be a rough year but help is on the way. Isn't the new wing of terminal E supposed to open next Summer?
I think what you saw with BA, LX, LH was self-inflicted. LH422/421 was running 2-3 hours late all weekend which messed up all other LH group flights because they all use the same gate. I had a friend who departed on LH421 on Saturday. BA was likely the result of one of their flights also being late.

boston5555 wrote:

I know that this has come up from time to time, but I think we are starting to see the effects of increased international travel in/out of Boston during peak times, and it's only the beginning of the height of the summer travel season. Take last night for example, the BA, LX and VS incoming flights sat on the tarmac well past their arrival times (admittedly, they arrived earlier, but their sit times then went beyond their scheduled arrival times) due, presumably, to gate and traffic congestion at Terminal E. And this was on a beautiful, clear evening. As a frequent BOS DL flier, I've noticed similar "sit times" waiting for congestion at Terminal A to clear and that was before the addition of the new summer Europe routes (at least those that will depart from Terminal A). While I am thrilled at the additional international activity in and out of Logan, I just wonder how realistic it is to expect it to operate efficiently.

I’ve been wondering the same. I live near castle island and I walk around there quite a bit. I noticed last week that an AF flight landed and I noticed in Flight Radar that there were several planes in a bit of a hold waiting for their gates.

boston5555 wrote:

I know that this has come up from time to time, but I think we are starting to see the effects of increased international travel in/out of Boston during peak times, and it's only the beginning of the height of the summer travel season. Take last night for example, the BA, LX and VS incoming flights sat on the tarmac well past their arrival times (admittedly, they arrived earlier, but their sit times then went beyond their scheduled arrival times) due, presumably, to gate and traffic congestion at Terminal E. And this was on a beautiful, clear evening. As a frequent BOS DL flier, I've noticed similar "sit times" waiting for congestion at Terminal A to clear and that was before the addition of the new summer Europe routes (at least those that will depart from Terminal A). While I am thrilled at the additional international activity in and out of Logan, I just wonder how realistic it is to expect it to operate efficiently.

I was checking out FR24 yesterday evening and E looked like a bloodbath. Multiple international arrivals waiting for gates for 30+ minutes while the early evening departures - mostly Delta, it seemed - got underway.

A year ago I thought that the E expansion would be a white elephant for a decade. Now I look a fool and can't wait for the thing to open!

seat24charlie wrote:

boston5555 wrote:

I know that this has come up from time to time, but I think we are starting to see the effects of increased international travel in/out of Boston during peak times, and it's only the beginning of the height of the summer travel season. Take last night for example, the BA, LX and VS incoming flights sat on the tarmac well past their arrival times (admittedly, they arrived earlier, but their sit times then went beyond their scheduled arrival times) due, presumably, to gate and traffic congestion at Terminal E. And this was on a beautiful, clear evening. As a frequent BOS DL flier, I've noticed similar "sit times" waiting for congestion at Terminal A to clear and that was before the addition of the new summer Europe routes (at least those that will depart from Terminal A). While I am thrilled at the additional international activity in and out of Logan, I just wonder how realistic it is to expect it to operate efficiently.

I was checking out FR24 yesterday evening and E looked like a bloodbath. Multiple international arrivals waiting for gates for 30+ minutes while the early evening departures - mostly Delta, it seemed - got underway.

A year ago I thought that the E expansion would be a white elephant for a decade. Now I look a fool and can't wait for the thing to open!

Thank goodness I will likely miss that nightmare as I’m on the Early AMS flight back and it arrives before all that craziness happens.

Logan will have little to no trouble filling the extra gates. Single or double that’s for sure. But that taxi around signature and the existing gates is going to take a while if you are at E16.

seat24charlie wrote:

boston5555 wrote:

I know that this has come up from time to time, but I think we are starting to see the effects of increased international travel in/out of Boston during peak times, and it's only the beginning of the height of the summer travel season. Take last night for example, the BA, LX and VS incoming flights sat on the tarmac well past their arrival times (admittedly, they arrived earlier, but their sit times then went beyond their scheduled arrival times) due, presumably, to gate and traffic congestion at Terminal E. And this was on a beautiful, clear evening. As a frequent BOS DL flier, I've noticed similar "sit times" waiting for congestion at Terminal A to clear and that was before the addition of the new summer Europe routes (at least those that will depart from Terminal A). While I am thrilled at the additional international activity in and out of Logan, I just wonder how realistic it is to expect it to operate efficiently.

I was checking out FR24 yesterday evening and E looked like a bloodbath. Multiple international arrivals waiting for gates for 30+ minutes while the early evening departures - mostly Delta, it seemed - got underway.

A year ago I thought that the E expansion would be a white elephant for a decade. Now I look a fool and can't wait for the thing to open!

Does the Terminal E expansion have a subsequent phase? I recall that the designs allowed for an additional 3 gates. If it looks like DL’s intl expansion will stick, I wonder is Massport will expedite that. (If my memory is correct).

tlecam wrote:

seat24charlie wrote:

boston5555 wrote:

I know that this has come up from time to time, but I think we are starting to see the effects of increased international travel in/out of Boston during peak times, and it's only the beginning of the height of the summer travel season. Take last night for example, the BA, LX and VS incoming flights sat on the tarmac well past their arrival times (admittedly, they arrived earlier, but their sit times then went beyond their scheduled arrival times) due, presumably, to gate and traffic congestion at Terminal E. And this was on a beautiful, clear evening. As a frequent BOS DL flier, I've noticed similar "sit times" waiting for congestion at Terminal A to clear and that was before the addition of the new summer Europe routes (at least those that will depart from Terminal A). While I am thrilled at the additional international activity in and out of Logan, I just wonder how realistic it is to expect it to operate efficiently.

I was checking out FR24 yesterday evening and E looked like a bloodbath. Multiple international arrivals waiting for gates for 30+ minutes while the early evening departures - mostly Delta, it seemed - got underway.

A year ago I thought that the E expansion would be a white elephant for a decade. Now I look a fool and can't wait for the thing to open!

Does the Terminal E expansion have a subsequent phase? I recall that the designs allowed for an additional 3 gates. If it looks like DL’s intl expansion will stick, I wonder is Massport will expedite that. (If my memory is correct).

Yes, phase 1 was 4 gates, 2nd was an additional 3

I have a 90 minute dom->intl connection on DL next week, terminal A to E. What's the most efficient way to get to E, and is my connection time "safe"? I assume that my checked bags will be transferred by DL. Thanks.

CPS001 wrote:

I have a 90 minute dom->intl connection on DL next week, terminal A to E. What's the most efficient way to get to E, and is my connection time "safe"? I assume that my checked bags will be transferred by DL. Thanks.

The most efficient way is to exit the secure area by gate A1 and take the stairs/escalator up that you'll see across the lobby in the left corner. Then follow the skybridge through the central parking garage until it ends at Terminal E and descend via escalator/stairs/elevator to the ticketing level where you can clear security. If you arrive at the A satellite and don't take the escalator up to A1-A11 but continue on to baggage claim, turn left and take the last escalator up to ticketing, and you'll be at the escalator to the skybridge as before.

You SHOULD have enough time if Terminal E TSA screening isn't terrible, but DL international flights close 30 minutes prior to departure.

ScottB wrote:

CPS001 wrote:

I have a 90 minute dom->intl connection on DL next week, terminal A to E. What's the most efficient way to get to E, and is my connection time "safe"? I assume that my checked bags will be transferred by DL. Thanks.

The most efficient way is to exit the secure area by gate A1 and take the stairs/escalator up that you'll see across the lobby in the left corner. Then follow the skybridge through the central parking garage until it ends at Terminal E and descend via escalator/stairs/elevator to the ticketing level where you can clear security. If you arrive at the A satellite and don't take the escalator up to A1-A11 but continue on to baggage claim, turn left and take the last escalator up to ticketing, and you'll be at the escalator to the skybridge as before.

You SHOULD have enough time if Terminal E TSA screening isn't terrible, but DL international flights close 30 minutes prior to departure.

Ditto. The walk from A to E takes 10 minutes or so.

JetBlue is delaying the launch of both BOS to London Heathrow and Gatwick:

https://thepointsguy.com/news/jetblue-b ... ay-airbus/

B757rocket wrote:

JetBlue is delaying the launch of both BOS to London Heathrow and Gatwick:

https://thepointsguy.com/news/jetblue-b ... ay-airbus/

“ The carrier said that it now plans to begin service from Boston to London Gatwick Airport (LGW) on Aug. 4 — pushed from the originally planned date of July 19 — with service to London’s Heathrow Airport not planned to start on Sept. 20, pushed from Aug. 22.”

Interesting. Passengers rebooked through JFK.

ScottB wrote:

CPS001 wrote:

I have a 90 minute dom->intl connection on DL next week, terminal A to E. What's the most efficient way to get to E, and is my connection time "safe"? I assume that my checked bags will be transferred by DL. Thanks.

The most efficient way is to exit the secure area by gate A1 and take the stairs/escalator up that you'll see across the lobby in the left corner. Then follow the skybridge through the central parking garage until it ends at Terminal E and descend via escalator/stairs/elevator to the ticketing level where you can clear security. If you arrive at the A satellite and don't take the escalator up to A1-A11 but continue on to baggage claim, turn left and take the last escalator up to ticketing, and you'll be at the escalator to the skybridge as before.

You SHOULD have enough time if Terminal E TSA screening isn't terrible, but DL international flights close 30 minutes prior to departure.

Thanks.

tlecam wrote:

B757rocket wrote:

JetBlue is delaying the launch of both BOS to London Heathrow and Gatwick:

https://thepointsguy.com/news/jetblue-b ... ay-airbus/

“ The carrier said that it now plans to begin service from Boston to London Gatwick Airport (LGW) on Aug. 4 — pushed from the originally planned date of July 19 — with service to London’s Heathrow Airport not planned to start on Sept. 20, pushed from Aug. 22.”

Interesting. Passengers rebooked through JFK.

Another B6 screw-up. With all the non-stop options to London I would be pissed if this happened to me because this airline can't seem to plan itself out of a paper bag.

airbazar wrote:

tlecam wrote:

B757rocket wrote:

JetBlue is delaying the launch of both BOS to London Heathrow and Gatwick:

https://thepointsguy.com/news/jetblue-b ... ay-airbus/

“ The carrier said that it now plans to begin service from Boston to London Gatwick Airport (LGW) on Aug. 4 — pushed from the originally planned date of July 19 — with service to London’s Heathrow Airport not planned to start on Sept. 20, pushed from Aug. 22.”

Interesting. Passengers rebooked through JFK.

Another B6 screw-up. With all the non-stop options to London I would be pissed if this happened to me because this airline can't seem to plan itself out of a paper bag.

I’m not sure the PR explanation makes sense. They claim delivery delays from Airbus yet it’s June and the flights were due to start in a month or two. I thought aircraft deliveries were with the airline for more time before entering service. Maybe its also staff shortages as well.

tlecam wrote:

airbazar wrote:

tlecam wrote:

“ The carrier said that it now plans to begin service from Boston to London Gatwick Airport (LGW) on Aug. 4 — pushed from the originally planned date of July 19 — with service to London’s Heathrow Airport not planned to start on Sept. 20, pushed from Aug. 22.”

Interesting. Passengers rebooked through JFK.

Another B6 screw-up. With all the non-stop options to London I would be pissed if this happened to me because this airline can't seem to plan itself out of a paper bag.

I’m not sure the PR explanation makes sense. They claim delivery delays from Airbus yet it’s June and the flights were due to start in a month or two. I thought aircraft deliveries were with the airline for more time before entering service. Maybe its also staff shortages as well.

Normally when there are delivery delays airlines lease aircraft temporarily. We saw that with the 787 delays. B6 just doesn't care. They are not liable for compensation for selling a non-stop ticket and then sending the passengers on a connecting itinerary. That should be out-right illegal.

VS4ever wrote:

tlecam wrote:

seat24charlie wrote:

I was checking out FR24 yesterday evening and E looked like a bloodbath. Multiple international arrivals waiting for gates for 30+ minutes while the early evening departures - mostly Delta, it seemed - got underway.

A year ago I thought that the E expansion would be a white elephant for a decade. Now I look a fool and can't wait for the thing to open!

Does the Terminal E expansion have a subsequent phase? I recall that the designs allowed for an additional 3 gates. If it looks like DL’s intl expansion will stick, I wonder is Massport will expedite that. (If my memory is correct).

Yes, phase 1 was 4 gates, 2nd was an additional 3

Phase 2 was cancelled at the start of the pandemic. It’s possible to expand it and the plans are all in place, but as far as I know (which admittedly as times goes by is less and less) the second phase was stopped. Most likely would require a new contractor bid, as if it was starting from zero and it an expansion. Believe it or not it was actually a bit more complex than the first phase, due to UPS and the idea of linking up to the T stop. But less complex in that it wouldn’t block taxiways and gates currently in service. But also bear in mind that once the current expansion is done, the ”old” terminal E is undergoing work. The current security checkpoint is being removed, all the check in areas are being renovated, and much more. The project is far from over even once the new gates open.

In regards To the aircraft delivery question-the first of a new type usually takes a few weeks to enter service. Mechanics, pilots, crew will test it out, they’ll do fit checks at gates with GSE and so on. After that the time from delivery to entry into service on new frames can be anywhere from hours to days. I once loaded a 77w that flew from Seattle to the European hub, and then turned and flew directly to Boston that same day for its first commercial flight. (And yes, there is such a thing as new airplane smell)

As of right now, Massport has phase 2 of the E expansion on their deferred capital projects list. Interestingly enough, the A to B connector is also on this list. I'd imagine that it will get built eventually. If nothing else, the 4 new gates, coupled with expanded security and expanded customs facilities should mean a nice improvement.

Could the fact that they aren't trying to bring in a leased plane to fly the routes at launch indicate poor bookings? Or that B6 doesn't feel the costs to accommodate the flights are worth it?

B752OS wrote:

As of right now, Massport has phase 2 of the E expansion on their deferred capital projects list. Interestingly enough, the A to B connector is also on this list. I'd imagine that it will get built eventually. If nothing else, the 4 new gates, coupled with expanded security and expanded customs facilities should mean a nice improvement.

Could the fact that they aren't trying to bring in a leased plane to fly the routes at launch indicate poor bookings? Or that B6 doesn't feel the costs to accommodate the flights are worth it?

I think they’ll both get built sooner rather than later. It’s a stark reminder of how harsh and sudden the pandemic was. Those projects were years in the making and got shut down almost overnight.

I get the feeling it’s more to do with branding and marketing. JetBlue doesn’t want to have a big launch party and make a big to do about their first transatlantic from Boston and then have passengers board a non JetBlue aircraft.

FGITD wrote:

VS4ever wrote:

tlecam wrote:

Does the Terminal E expansion have a subsequent phase? I recall that the designs allowed for an additional 3 gates. If it looks like DL’s intl expansion will stick, I wonder is Massport will expedite that. (If my memory is correct).

Yes, phase 1 was 4 gates, 2nd was an additional 3

Phase 2 was cancelled at the start of the pandemic. It’s possible to expand it and the plans are all in place, but as far as I know (which admittedly as times goes by is less and less) the second phase was stopped. Most likely would require a new contractor bid, as if it was starting from zero and it an expansion. Believe it or not it was actually a bit more complex than the first phase, due to UPS and the idea of linking up to the T stop. But less complex in that it wouldn’t block taxiways and gates currently in service. But also bear in mind that once the current expansion is done, the ”old” terminal E is undergoing work. The current security checkpoint is being removed, all the check in areas are being renovated, and much more. The project is far from over even once the new gates open.

In regards To the aircraft delivery question-the first of a new type usually takes a few weeks to enter service. Mechanics, pilots, crew will test it out, they’ll do fit checks at gates with GSE and so on. After that the time from delivery to entry into service on new frames can be anywhere from hours to days. I once loaded a 77w that flew from Seattle to the European hub, and then turned and flew directly to Boston that same day for its first commercial flight. (And yes, there is such a thing as new airplane smell)

That makes more sense, thanks for the insight!

B752OS wrote:

As of right now, Massport has phase 2 of the E expansion on their deferred capital projects list. Interestingly enough, the A to B connector is also on this list. I'd imagine that it will get built eventually. If nothing else, the 4 new gates, coupled with expanded security and expanded customs facilities should mean a nice improvement.

In my opinion, the area for immigration, security, and customs, although tight it was never the real issue. The real problem was the lack of staff and I don't see that changing with the new facilities. In 30 years of flying intl into Boston I don't think I have ever seen every immigration counter staffed. Towards the last pre-pandemic years it wasn't unusual to have only half or less of the counters staffed. At security it wasn't unusual to see some lanes closed, even during the busiest of times. So I'm curious to see if any of that is going to change.

We need e-gates in this country. That's the only thing that is going to make intl travel a little less of a hassle. Our immigration checkpoints are too slow, manual, and error prone. Never let a human do what a robot can do better

Does anyone have any updates / details on the Terminal E extension?
- How many gates?
- Finish date?

Anyone have updates on the C - B connector? Did Massport opt to add another gate between C25 (Old) and C40 (Old)

Thanks!

E extension is planned to be finished middle of next year with 4 additional gates that I believe can be doubled if used for NB aircraft like 321. Phase II with the remaining 3 gates was shelved for the time being and is currently unfunded, but I have my thoughts that if traffic continues to rebound, that might get accelerated.

I’m less sure on the B to C connector, from a financial standpoint it’s supposed to be completed in FY23 which is July 22 to June 23, the plans I saw were to have either B43 or C43 (I’ve seen it called both) as a gate in the new connector section, but I don’t know if that has ended up being built that way.

Hope that helps

In long run Boston should consider build a new airport due to the noise and land constraint of Logan airport

chunhimlai wrote:

In long run Boston should consider build a new airport due to the noise and land constraint of Logan airport

Where?

Kno wrote:

chunhimlai wrote:

In long run Boston should consider build a new airport due to the noise and land constraint of Logan airport

Where?

Pssssh there you go asking a logical question.

ScottB wrote:

Kno wrote:

chunhimlai wrote:

In long run Boston should consider build a new airport due to the noise and land constraint of Logan airport

Where?

Pssssh there you go asking a logical question.

I have wondered if cargo flights could be relocated to BED and/or ORH to allow for more expansion at BOS. For example, extending A into the FedEx ramp.

Kno wrote:

I have wondered if cargo flights could be relocated to BED and/or ORH to allow for more expansion at BOS. For example, extending A into the FedEx ramp.

No chance in hell of relocating anything to BED considering the demographics of the surrounding towns, particularly jet operations at night.

If you're thinking about moving cargo ops to somewhere like ORH, you might as well just send them to PVD/MHT/PSM. All three have much better connectivity to freeways than ORH, even if they're not in Mass.

chunhimlai wrote:

In long run Boston should consider build a new airport due to the noise and land constraint of Logan airport

You'll have a better chance at seeing SAN relocated to Miramar than you will of seeing BOS moved. It's too convenient, and even more than SAN, there are alternatives that, although are somewhat distant (+/- 55 miles to MHT, +/-65 miles to PVD) that are closer for surrounding communities.

Look what it took just to get "The Big Dig" accomplished.

ScottB wrote:

Kno wrote:

I have wondered if cargo flights could be relocated to BED and/or ORH to allow for more expansion at BOS. For example, extending A into the FedEx ramp.

No chance in hell of relocating anything to BED considering the demographics of the surrounding towns, particularly jet operations at night.

If you're thinking about moving cargo ops to somewhere like ORH, you might as well just send them to PVD/MHT/PSM. All three have much better connectivity to freeways than ORH, even if they're not in Mass.

I’m sure that’s the case with BED and your point on ORH is certainly valid. BED is pretty busy with jet traffic and often I see private BBJs and Delta 757 charters landing in the very early AM hours - it doesn’t seem like a major stretch to include some cargo ops but to your point I’m sure the residents would feel differently.

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:

You'll have a better chance at seeing SAN relocated to Miramar than you will of seeing BOS moved. It's too convenient, and even more than SAN, there are alternatives that, although are somewhat distant (+/- 55 miles to MHT, +/-65 miles to PVD) that are closer for surrounding communities.

Look what it took just to get "The Big Dig" accomplished.

Well, the really big problem is, as mentioned above, where you'd put it. Where are you going to find over 2,500 acres of (relatively) flat, open land within 50 miles of Boston, with acceptable highway access to the urban core, and with some prayer of building a reasonably fast rail connection to Boston? That isn't a park or environmentally-sensitive area. Not to mention the political difficulty of overcoming political opposition to an airport which would likely consume much of the land of an existing town in metro Boston and bring nearly constant aircraft noise to communities which currently have none.

None of the existing alternates in the region -- PVD, MHT, PSM, ORH, BED, etc. -- have anywhere near enough land to grow to replace BOS.

ScottB wrote:

Well, the really big problem is, as mentioned above, where you'd put it. Where are you going to find over 2,500 acres of (relatively) flat, open land within 50 miles of Boston, with acceptable highway access to the urban core, and with some prayer of building a reasonably fast rail connection to Boston? That isn't a park or environmentally-sensitive area. Not to mention the political difficulty of overcoming political opposition to an airport which would likely consume much of the land of an existing town in metro Boston and bring nearly constant aircraft noise to communities which currently have none.

None of the existing alternates in the region -- PVD, MHT, PSM, ORH, BED, etc. -- have anywhere near enough land to grow to replace BOS.

Also, the HUGE capital expenditure to shift the huge airport and infrastructure. I do not think the state does not have that type of money.

18C36C wrote:

Does anyone have any updates / details on the Terminal E extension?
- How many gates?
- Finish date?

Anyone have updates on the C - B connector? Did Massport opt to add another gate between C25 (Old) and C40 (Old)

Thanks!

https://www.massport.com/logan-forward/ ... -connector

While it's not firm on dates, it does provide a good overview of the projects Massport is currently working on at Logan.

Unless something has changed, and I don't believe it has, but there will be 1 new gate added as part of the B to C connector.

A brand new airport would be wonderful, but it's simply not going to happen. There isn't a site in the metro Boston area, or even the greater Boston area that would have the space and also be able to sustain the litigation that would sure follow. There's a reason there have been so few new airports built in mid to large size metro areas over the last 50 years.

Kno wrote:

ScottB wrote:

Kno wrote:

I have wondered if cargo flights could be relocated to BED and/or ORH to allow for more expansion at BOS. For example, extending A into the FedEx ramp.

No chance in hell of relocating anything to BED considering the demographics of the surrounding towns, particularly jet operations at night.

If you're thinking about moving cargo ops to somewhere like ORH, you might as well just send them to PVD/MHT/PSM. All three have much better connectivity to freeways than ORH, even if they're not in Mass.

I’m sure that’s the case with BED and your point on ORH is certainly valid. BED is pretty busy with jet traffic and often I see private BBJs and Delta 757 charters landing in the very early AM hours - it doesn’t seem like a major stretch to include some cargo ops but to your point I’m sure the residents would feel differently.

A few private jets and the occasional charter is wildly different from regular cargo ops. Those planes are in and out, as are their passengers. Cargo ops have dozens of trucks staging, sometimes for hours at all hours of the night. Go take a drive down harbor side drive around 8pm. It’s all trucks parked up and down both sides of the road.

ScottB wrote:

Kno wrote:

I have wondered if cargo flights could be relocated to BED and/or ORH to allow for more expansion at BOS. For example, extending A into the FedEx ramp.

No chance in hell of relocating anything to BED considering the demographics of the surrounding towns, particularly jet operations at night.

If you're thinking about moving cargo ops to somewhere like ORH, you might as well just send them to PVD/MHT/PSM. All three have much better connectivity to freeways than ORH, even if they're not in Mass.

If we’re talking about BED, we should also throw in another option with equal likelihood of success - infill the harbor to reclaim land and expand that way. Very little opposition if you exclude Winthrop, Eastie, Southie and environmentalists.

ScottB wrote:

Well, the really big problem is, as mentioned above, where you'd put it. Where are you going to find over 2,500 acres of (relatively) flat, open land within 50 miles of Boston, with acceptable highway access to the urban core, and with some prayer of building a reasonably fast rail connection to Boston? That isn't a park or environmentally-sensitive area. Not to mention the political difficulty of overcoming political opposition to an airport which would likely consume much of the land of an existing town in metro Boston and bring nearly constant aircraft noise to communities which currently have none.

Some of the environmental impacts and noise issues that would be associated with a new airport can probably be mitigated with AA, DL, UA, AS, MX, F9, B6, WN, and NK having newer generation aircraft such as the 737 MAX, A320neo/A321neo, or A220 that are quieter than older-generation aircraft such as the 737 NG, A319ceo/A320ceo/A321ceo, or 717.

If they keep building "million dollah condos" in East Boston, the nimby factor may become a bigger thorn in the side of Logan International in years to come, blocking any expansion hopes.

Logan is so overbuilt, with all the roadways and walkways. Once upon a time, you could see the grandeur of Terminal C from afar (almost like a mini Dulles terminal). Now it is part of the mish mosh of everything else going on!