Does anyone know when the Chase Sapphire Lounge opens up in the B-C Connector? Flying JB in early September, would love to use it.

Was taking a look at DL’s BOS June 2023 flights that are loaded, and noticed some interesting schedule increases/upgauges:

BOS-SEA: 3x daily all A321neo vs. 737-900s/757-200s
BOS-SFO: 3x daily all A321neo vs. 2x daily now
BOS-SAN: 2x daily A321neo/737-900 vs. 1x A321neo now
BOS-LAS: 2x daily 737-900 vs. 1x daily now
BOS-SLC: 3x daily all A321 vs. 3x all 737-900 now
BOS-DEN: 2x daily A321neo/737-900 vs. 1x A321neo now
BOS-MCI: 3x daily (one flight upgauged to A220) vs. all regional jets now
BOS-MSY: 1x daily upgauged to 737-800 vs. A220 now
BOS-ATL: increase to 12x daily vs. 11x daily now
BOS-MKE: 3x daily vs. 2x daily now
BOS-ORD: 5x daily (2 flights mainline) vs. all regionals now
BOS-BNA: 3x daily (1 flight mainline) vs. all regional now
BOS-LGA: 17x daily vs. 13x daily now
BOS-DCA: 8x daily vs. 6/7x daily now
BOS-MIA: 2x daily all A321 vs. 737-800 now
BOS-RSW: 1x daily A321 vs. 737-800 now
BOS-EDI: 7x weekly vs. 5x weekly this year
BOS-ATH: 4x weekly vs. 3x weekly this year

I feel BOS-DUB could get bumped up to A330-300 (I seem to recall this was the plan before COVID)

Also, BOS-LIS now has 3x daily flights (2 on TP and 1 on DL). Didn’t realize TP was running 2x daily now.

EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:

Was taking a look at DL’s BOS June 2023 flights that are loaded, and noticed some interesting schedule increases/upgauges:

BOS-SEA: 3x daily all A321neo vs. 737-900s/757-200s
BOS-SFO: 3x daily all A321neo vs. 2x daily now
BOS-SAN: 2x daily A321neo/737-900 vs. 1x A321neo now
BOS-LAS: 2x daily 737-900 vs. 1x daily now
BOS-SLC: 3x daily all A321 vs. 3x all 737-900 now
BOS-DEN: 2x daily A321neo/737-900 vs. 1x A321neo now
BOS-MCI: 3x daily (one flight upgauged to A220) vs. all regional jets now
BOS-MSY: 1x daily upgauged to 737-800 vs. A220 now
BOS-ATL: increase to 12x daily vs. 11x daily now
BOS-MKE: 3x daily vs. 2x daily now
BOS-ORD: 5x daily (2 flights mainline) vs. all regionals now
BOS-BNA: 3x daily (1 flight mainline) vs. all regional now
BOS-LGA: 17x daily vs. 13x daily now
BOS-DCA: 8x daily vs. 6/7x daily now
BOS-MIA: 2x daily all A321 vs. 737-800 now
BOS-RSW: 1x daily A321 vs. 737-800 now
BOS-EDI: 7x weekly vs. 5x weekly this year
BOS-ATH: 4x weekly vs. 3x weekly this year

I feel BOS-DUB could get bumped up to A330-300 (I seem to recall this was the plan before COVID)

Also, BOS-LIS now has 3x daily flights (2 on TP and 1 on DL). Didn’t realize TP was running 2x daily now.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220730-dlnw22inc

BOS-DUB originally started as a 757 and is now going to be a 764ER from October, next stop should be a 330 if they have the space available to run it. Also good to see

Also found this for Domestic

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220823-dlnw22bos

Looks like TK have been running double for the summer season, something tells me 10 weekly. So separately found that they will be running a 339 instead of a 333 2 weekly from December.

Interesting to see that a lot of the flights are not
timed for European connections (DEN, SAN, SJU). That being said, DL has said that the hub is tailored to the BOS travelers so connections just happen by chance.

VS4ever wrote:

EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:

Was taking a look at DL’s BOS June 2023 flights that are loaded, and noticed some interesting schedule increases/upgauges:

BOS-SEA: 3x daily all A321neo vs. 737-900s/757-200s
BOS-SFO: 3x daily all A321neo vs. 2x daily now
BOS-SAN: 2x daily A321neo/737-900 vs. 1x A321neo now
BOS-LAS: 2x daily 737-900 vs. 1x daily now
BOS-SLC: 3x daily all A321 vs. 3x all 737-900 now
BOS-DEN: 2x daily A321neo/737-900 vs. 1x A321neo now
BOS-MCI: 3x daily (one flight upgauged to A220) vs. all regional jets now
BOS-MSY: 1x daily upgauged to 737-800 vs. A220 now
BOS-ATL: increase to 12x daily vs. 11x daily now
BOS-MKE: 3x daily vs. 2x daily now
BOS-ORD: 5x daily (2 flights mainline) vs. all regionals now
BOS-BNA: 3x daily (1 flight mainline) vs. all regional now
BOS-LGA: 17x daily vs. 13x daily now
BOS-DCA: 8x daily vs. 6/7x daily now
BOS-MIA: 2x daily all A321 vs. 737-800 now
BOS-RSW: 1x daily A321 vs. 737-800 now
BOS-EDI: 7x weekly vs. 5x weekly this year
BOS-ATH: 4x weekly vs. 3x weekly this year

I feel BOS-DUB could get bumped up to A330-300 (I seem to recall this was the plan before COVID)

Also, BOS-LIS now has 3x daily flights (2 on TP and 1 on DL). Didn’t realize TP was running 2x daily now.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220730-dlnw22inc

BOS-DUB originally started as a 757 and is now going to be a 764ER from October, next stop should be a 330 if they have the space available to run it. Also good to see

Also found this for Domestic

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220823-dlnw22bos

Looks like TK have been running double for the summer season, something tells me 10 weekly. So separately found that they will be running a 339 instead of a 333 2 weekly from December.

I agree, DUB has come a long way. I remember when it started on the 757-200, I think it was even sub-daily. Then they bumped it to daily, then 767-300, and right before Covid they planned an A330-300 for 2020. I see the 767-400 for the fall, but it looks like it reverts back to the 300 next year. Although, I’m sure there could likely be an aircraft change before 2023 summer season. I wonder if MAN and KEF will come back?

I recall TK bumping up to 10x weekly. How have those flights been doing? I wonder if they’ll increase to 14x weekly and/or upgauge the aircraft.

Nice find on that article about the domestic DL adds. BOS-SJU is another silent add. I’m surprised it took them this long to add given how big the market is. Out of BOS DL is still down BUF, and the two previously announced routes MEM and YYZ. I wonder as things improve, especially for the regionals, if they will bring those back.

EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:

Also, BOS-LIS now has 3x daily flights (2 on TP and 1 on DL). Didn’t realize TP was running 2x daily now.

TP switched from A330 to 2x A321 so it's not double the capacity.
Switching to narrowbody probably also increased the reliability of the operation with not needing widebody gates in E.

EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:

BOS-SFO: 3x daily all A321neo vs. 2x daily now

Looks like United is going back to B752 on BOS-SFO to compete with the 321neo too

I'd be curious to know if DL will start the previously announced service to MAN and LGW? Both routes were announced in Sep/Oct 2019 to begin in summer 2020 and were never launched for obvious reasons.

B752OS wrote:

I'd be curious to know if DL will start the previously announced service to MAN and LGW? Both routes were announced in Sep/Oct 2019 to begin in summer 2020 and were never launched for obvious reasons.

I don’t see LGW happening anytime soon unless VS decides to resume flying there. MAN seems more likely although Delta doesn’t seem to be sending 757s across the Atlantic anymore and that was definitely the right sized plane for that route. 767 might be too big.

http://archboston.com/community/threads ... ost-435874

Over on Archboston.org, user Equilibria took a number of shots of the B to C connector that is now open. Massport did a nice job with this project.

aaflyer777 wrote:

B752OS wrote:

I'd be curious to know if DL will start the previously announced service to MAN and LGW? Both routes were announced in Sep/Oct 2019 to begin in summer 2020 and were never launched for obvious reasons.

I don’t see LGW happening anytime soon unless VS decides to resume flying there. MAN seems more likely although Delta doesn’t seem to be sending 757s across the Atlantic anymore and that was definitely the right sized plane for that route. 767 might be too big.

If DL do not do it, I could see EI trying it with a 321LR.

B752OS wrote:

http://archboston.com/community/threads/logan-airport-capital-projects.5346/post-435874

Over on Archboston.org, user Equilibria took a number of shots of the B to C connector that is now open. Massport did a nice job with this project.

Looks good. Massport have done a nice job in recent years. The departure gate areas are quite attractive by US airport standards. The C piers are really all that is left with the dingy claustrophobic feel of old

S0Y wrote:

B752OS wrote:

http://archboston.com/community/threads/logan-airport-capital-projects.5346/post-435874

Over on Archboston.org, user Equilibria took a number of shots of the B to C connector that is now open. Massport did a nice job with this project.

Looks good. Massport have done a nice job in recent years. The departure gate areas are quite attractive by US airport standards. The C piers are really all that is left with the dingy claustrophobic feel of old

Hopefully an A to B connector comes up first, preferably one that connects directly to this new B-C connector so DL passengers don't have to take the long walk around both sides of B. That would solve the airside connections dilemma that DL currently has as the result of being split between A and E.

737900ER wrote:

EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:

BOS-SFO: 3x daily all A321neo vs. 2x daily now

Looks like United is going back to B752 on BOS-SFO to compete with the 321neo too

Awesome! Thanks for the info. There has been a once a week 753 from UA to SFO or LAX recently I think. On Fridays or Saturdays. They used to even have a 772 during the summer to SFO.

Does anyone know who will be using the new gates in B (B39 + B40) ?

An old spotting video from 1992 at the Volpe Int'l terminal:

Boston Logan Airport Plane Spotting 1992

Source: YouTube user Peter Kelsall

phatfarmlines wrote:

An old spotting video from 1992 at the Volpe Int'l terminal:

Boston Logan Airport Plane Spotting 1992

Source: YouTube user Peter Kelsall

Oh the good old days of no security when anyone could take the kids airside to shoot videos of airplanes

FMCMan wrote:

PilotJAY16 wrote:

Did the new gates at the B-C connector already officially open? I saw some JetBlue flights on the departure board leaving out of C24, C25. But haven’t heard any news or press release.

Also, I see sometimes JetBlue uses C27 for early morning Vegas flights. Where does the Cape Air aircraft goes or do they start arriving after the JetBlue flight leaves?

Yes, the B-C connector is open. Gates C23,C24 and C25 are now in use by JetBlue.
Two additional gates assigned for terminal B. Gates B39 & B40.
The airport terminal maps for B & C have been updated.

What aircraft can B37-B40 handle?

Any word if Tap will relaunch PDL out of BOS again next year? Azores frequencies where lower this year

jvlmd81 wrote:

Any word if Tap will relaunch PDL out of BOS again next year? Azores frequencies where lower this year

I don't think anyone knows at this point. They are currently using the A321LR where they used the A330 in the past (BOS&EWR), which leaves them short of A321LR's for the BOS-PDL route.

Massport posted their June meeting deck (will post link later as it’s not copying me for right now. They are expecting 33.6m pax for FY23 (July 22 to June 23) and 39m for FY24, they are being conservative I think, because that means not getting back to preccovid before FY25…
Lots of interesting stuff in there for sure

Here’s the link also relevant are slides
44,52,53 and 120
https://www.massport.com/media/b2wl1ja0 ... -16-22.pdf

They also included a couple of shots of terminal E from the inside during construction and note that it's 85% complete. Summer 2023 certificate of occupancy expected.

BOS Jul-2022 numbers are out.
Uptick continues. Still ways to catch-up from the peak performing years of 2018 and 2019 but certainly in the correct direction.
Jul-22 Jul-21 % change
Domestic Charter 569 346 64.5%
Domestic Commuter 332,131 252,917 31.3%
Domestic Jet 2,456,909 2,005,149 22.5%
Total Domestic 2,789,609 2,258,412 23.5%
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 109,098 125,984 -13.4%
Canada 81,672 13,435 507.9%
Central America 15,851 12,178 30.2%
Europe 466,494 117,391 297.4%
Middle East 67,564 31,675 113.3%
South America - - #DIV/0!
Trans-Pacific 14,525 3,347 334.0%
Australia - -
North Africa - - #DIV/0!
Other International - -
Total International 755,204 304,010 148.4%
General Aviation 9,284 8,258 12.4%
Total airport passengers 3,554,097 2,570,680 38.3%

Comparatives YTY

Month Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax
Jan 2017 2,603,998 494,741 2018 2,576,261 468,439 2019 2,710,036 521,356 2020 2,940,985 579,541 2021 740,247 106,827 2022 1,720,697 262,119
Feb 2017 2,369,960 411,816 2018 2,605,207 422,707 2019 2,716,724 460,049 2020 2,890,513 487,442 2021 731,029 76,748 2022 1,893,653 243,817
Mar 2017 3,076,023 540,036 2018 3,197,326 578,154 2019 3,457,362 631,858 2020 1,634,101 274,615 2021 1,070,171 115,832 2022 2,830,353 399,323
Apr 2017 3,271,833 620,923 2018 3,508,607 613,000 2019 3,647,276 707,159 2020 95,352 5,843 2021 1,427,287 142,054 2022 3,092,088 498,315
May 2017 3,466,805 659,326 2018 3,705,129 672,304 2019 3,879,343 775,024 2020 203,328 6,216 2021 1,744,185 144,375 2022 3,337,936 560,448
Jun 2017 3,552,952 710,313 2018 3,843,131 742,437 2019 3,946,406 847,877 2020 438,266 18,647 2021 2,121,185 206,547 2022 3,411,349 676,880
Jul 2017 3,683,573 764,325 2018 3,999,933 798,900 2019 4,072,082 891,642 2020 738,135 72,351 2021 2,570,680 304,010 2022 3,554,097 755,204
Aug 2017 3,757,903 772,812 2018 4,044,126 821,417 2019 4,120,937 898,759 2020 701,627 73,699 2021 2,587,063 350,377 2022
Sep 2017 3,178,011 640,539 2018 3,393,644 697,082 2019 3,547,546 724,791 2020 633,357 65,793 2021 2,226,035 260,481 2022
Oct 2017 3,431,263 581,481 2018 3,677,923 651,839 2019 3,771,212 686,063 2020 781,755 69,357 2021 2,579,783 244,004 2022
Nov 2017 3,089,200 483,354 2018 3,296,694 539,610 2019 3,264,105 552,066 2020 755,877 72,352 2021 2,471,462 269,238 2022
Dec 2017 2,930,898 483,354 2018 3,093,944 577,998 2019 3,389,382 621,349 2020 801,430 112,436 2021 2,409,372 329483 2022
38,412,419 7,163,020 40,941,925 7,583,887 42,522,411 8,317,993 12,618,128 1,838,292 22,678,499 2,549,976 19,840,173 3,396,106

I've been hearing rumors that EK is ending their codeshare with Jetblue this year. If that is true, do you think EK's BOS flight would be jeopardized?

I'm honestly not sure how much of EK's pax at BOS are O&D vs connecting on B6.

acavpics wrote:

I've been hearing rumors that EK is ending their codeshare with Jetblue this year. If that is true, do you think EK's BOS flight would be jeopardized?

I'm honestly not sure how much of EK's pax at BOS are O&D vs connecting on B6.

B6 likely contributed passengers to EK's flights just as they do for several other partners in BOS like QR, EI. But if their partnership ends it won't make or break EK's success in BOS. EK benefits from a sizable Indian population it taps into in BOS as well as a strong mix of Education, Biotech, Healthcare, Finance and Tech industry professionals that will continue to make BOS a successful station even without a B6 partnership.

I wonder if this is because B6 is now in bed with AA (for the time being) and EK are getting into bed with UA.

acavpics wrote:

I've been hearing rumors that EK is ending their codeshare with Jetblue this year. If that is true, do you think EK's BOS flight would be jeopardized?

I'm honestly not sure how much of EK's pax at BOS are O&D vs connecting on B6.

My assumption would be that the partnership with B6 was simply an added bonus of sorts for EK. They would have added service to Boston regardless given it's a major city and its economy is loaded with the kinds of businesses that have a propensity to travel.

I don't think anyone has ever shared hard numbers as far as the percentages of DXB-BOS and BOS-DXB flights that contained connecting pax in BOS. There was a DTW fan on this site that used to claim (without any proof) that a large number of pax were connecting to/from DTW in BOS on the DXB flights. Beyond that, no one has really spoken much about it.

I will say I’m perplexed about EK and their strategy moving forward in BOS. What prompted me to think this is that in the Emirates Network thread it was announced this week IAH was going back to A380 daily as of Oct. 30th. Given IAH lost EK service longer than BOS after the pandemic hit and once restarting ops has been operated with EKs smallest aircraft (77L) since it seems like a huge jump up to the A380, whereas BOS has maintained 77W service and would seem like the A380 would be the next step. Yet as far as I can see on GF it’s a 77W well into next year (which I get is very in flux).

The article on the EK site noted the five new stations getting a bump up to the A380 and that more would be announced in the coming weeks. I fully expect that BOS will be one of them. I also believe that any ‘delay’ getting their A380 back here has more to do with EK getting the fleet (and crews) back.

B752OS wrote:

acavpics wrote:

I've been hearing rumors that EK is ending their codeshare with Jetblue this year. If that is true, do you think EK's BOS flight would be jeopardized?

I'm honestly not sure how much of EK's pax at BOS are O&D vs connecting on B6.

My assumption would be that the partnership with B6 was simply an added bonus of sorts for EK. They would have added service to Boston regardless given it's a major city and its economy is loaded with the kinds of businesses that have a propensity to travel.

I don't think anyone has ever shared hard numbers as far as the percentages of DXB-BOS and BOS-DXB flights that contained connecting pax in BOS. There was a DTW fan on this site that used to claim (without any proof) that a large number of pax were connecting to/from DTW in BOS on the DXB flights. Beyond that, no one has really spoken much about it.

This was more than just "someone saying". EK themselves shared that DTW, RDU, MIA were the 3 biggest connecting cities from Boston. To add to the intrigue, MIA was done via interline with AA, and not even a codeshare.
So while I don't think the end of the EK-B6 codeshare will affect EK's once daily flight I do believe that we can kiss goodbye to any hope of a 2nd daily given that UA won't be connecting that many passengers thru BOS. And maybe this will finally lead to the much talked about DTW service by EK

jakeroberts212 wrote:

Given IAH lost EK service longer than BOS after the pandemic hit and once restarting ops has been operated with EKs smallest aircraft (77L) since it seems like a huge jump up to the A380, whereas BOS has maintained 77W service and would seem like the A380 would be the next step. Yet as far as I can see on GF it’s a 77W well into next year (which I get is very in flux).

Energy companies are swimming in money right now. If there is one market that can fill the A380's huge premium cabins I suspect it's IAH.

airbazar wrote:

B752OS wrote:

acavpics wrote:

I've been hearing rumors that EK is ending their codeshare with Jetblue this year. If that is true, do you think EK's BOS flight would be jeopardized?

I'm honestly not sure how much of EK's pax at BOS are O&D vs connecting on B6.

My assumption would be that the partnership with B6 was simply an added bonus of sorts for EK. They would have added service to Boston regardless given it's a major city and its economy is loaded with the kinds of businesses that have a propensity to travel.

I don't think anyone has ever shared hard numbers as far as the percentages of DXB-BOS and BOS-DXB flights that contained connecting pax in BOS. There was a DTW fan on this site that used to claim (without any proof) that a large number of pax were connecting to/from DTW in BOS on the DXB flights. Beyond that, no one has really spoken much about it.

This was more than just "someone saying". EK themselves shared that DTW, RDU, MIA were the 3 biggest connecting cities from Boston. To add to the intrigue, MIA was done via interline with AA, and not even a codeshare.
So while I don't think the end of the EK-B6 codeshare will affect EK's once daily flight I do believe that we can kiss goodbye to any hope of a 2nd daily given that UA won't be connecting that many passengers thru BOS. And maybe this will finally lead to the much talked about DTW service by EK
.

EK actually did operate 2x daily 777's for a while back in 2015/16. The second flight (EK 239/240) didn't do that well, even with the B6 codeshare. My mother took EK240 once and said that it was more than half empty. Her return on EK237 was full to the max.
So there's no way that the second Emirates flight will come back any time soon. I think going forward, their best bet is to upgrade their current flight to an A380 when demand peaks. And keep it at a 77W for lower demand seasons.

Maybe we will see the return of the second flight if/when they get something like the 789. But 2x daily 777-300ER's are just too much capacity for BOS.

Did EK ever share actual numbers? Or just state that DTW, RDU, and MIA were the largest connecting points?

In any event, year round, daily 77W service is nothing to feel shortchanged about.

I loved the EK239/240 timings. As a passenger traveling or returning from India or Asia it just worked well.

Fingers crossed on them sending the 380. I’d love to ride it again!

johhn14 wrote:

I loved the EK239/240 timings. As a passenger traveling or returning from India or Asia it just worked well.

You know, it might even make sense for Emirates to switch the timings of its current EK237/238 flights to match the one that EK239/240 held, as they will no longer need to time it for JetBlue connections at BOS.
We have all seen how congested Terminal E gets during PM hours, especially in the international arrivals facility. I bet the morning arrival and noontime departure would really save EK pax the hassles of departing and arriving during peak hours.

Even on the DXB end, transiting would be a bit easier, as the airport is generally less crowded in the morning (when EK240 used to arrive) as opposed to the evening (when EK238 arrives).

acavpics wrote:

johhn14 wrote:

I loved the EK239/240 timings. As a passenger traveling or returning from India or Asia it just worked well.

You know, it might even make sense for Emirates to switch the timings of its current EK237/238 flights to match the one that EK239/240 held, as they will no longer need to time it for JetBlue connections at BOS.
We have all seen how congested Terminal E gets during PM hours, especially in the international arrivals facility. I bet the morning arrival and noontime departure would really save EK pax the hassles of departing and arriving during peak hours.

Even on the DXB end, transiting would be a bit easier, as the airport is generally less crowded in the morning (when EK240 used to arrive) as opposed to the evening (when EK238 arrives).

Doubtful, there is no way that EK schedule was that dependent on B6. The B6 feed is extra jam, but not all that relevant to the success (or not) of the route.
The vast majority of EK pax from BOS will be connecting beyond Dubai, so it makes sense for them to arrive during the peak times.

B6 and EK code share and frequent flier reciprocity officially going away. What is unclear is whether or not an interline is still in play.

https://onemileatatime.com/news/emirate ... rtnership/

I have not paid much attention lately to EY and AUH. I wonder if they would consider BOS and either a closer tie up with B6 or DL if they were to go back into expansion mode. They do have several wide-bodies on order.

AA is going to run some limited 772 equipment on LAX-BOS and BOS-LAX in November, December and January.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220911-aa4q22777

During his visit to Boston today, president Biden made remarks in the terminal E expansion and touted the projected as an example of infrastructure investment.

https://twitter.com/lisakashinsky/statu ... hZt5QvtorA

B752OS wrote:

AA is going to run some limited 772 equipment on LAX-BOS and BOS-LAX in November, December and January.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220911-aa4q22777

Thank you for sharing that. I have an AA credit I need to use and I want to go to LAX in December!

B752OS wrote:

AA is going to run some limited 772 equipment on LAX-BOS and BOS-LAX in November, December and January.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220911-aa4q22777

During his visit to Boston today, president Biden made remarks in the terminal E expansion and touted the projected as an example of infrastructure investment.

https://twitter.com/lisakashinsky/statu ... hZt5QvtorA

Deployment of the aircraft from the BOS-LHR flight? I think they used to do the same with MIA.

At last a great post-pandemic travel experience for me. Just traveled from BOS down to RDU for work and there was no hint of the post-pandemic meltdowns or staff shortage. Both B6 flights were on-time or early. TSA security was a breeze at both airports with almost no line to speak of. Airport restaurants seemed to be operating as normal. Even the hotel and car rental experience was good. I used the new ride share experience at Logan and it actually worked out really well. I was impressed. Things are looking good finally, it seems.

After the rough start for Delta in terminal E. Is the general consensus that they have ironed out most of the operational kinks? I know some of you have more insight that work at the airport. From the perspective of the flight departure data it seems much better.

pitbosflyer wrote:

After the rough start for Delta in terminal E. Is the general consensus that they have ironed out most of the operational kinks? I know some of you have more insight that work at the airport. From the perspective of the flight departure data it seems much better.

The Summer rush has ended and their problems were in large part due to the mess that was AMS and LHR for most of the Summer. Those problems seem to be returning to AMS
https://www.euronews.com/travel/2022/09 ... -lines-bui
Tuesday's DL259 departed almost 1.5 hrs late. Can't imagine that not having a domino effect. Today's flight is late too while yesterday's was ontime.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /EHAM/KBOS

I flew BOS-EDI on Wednesday night and things were very smooth. The flight was packed with a long standby list. Was interesting to see the Athens flight.

pitbosflyer wrote:

After the rough start for Delta in terminal E. Is the general consensus that they have ironed out most of the operational kinks? I know some of you have more insight that work at the airport. From the perspective of the flight departure data it seems much better.

I flew DL 258 BOS-AMS early in the summer and again more recently. Things did seem a little more organized with the Delta T5 flights, although, like my first flight, the more recent one was delayed as well. As luck (or no luck) would have it, my aircraft was the inbound TLV flight on both occasions and in both cases it was just a very tight turn. I noticed that Delta has switched things up of late - the TLV flight now arrives early in the morning and is then used for DL 256 in the afternoon, allowing 258 to use one of the inbound Europe flights, providing for more time to turn the aircraft. This should help, although I don't know if having a widebody siting around for most of the day at BOS is overly appealing for Delta. Maybe this was just a temporary change.

I'm sure someone might have brought this up on a similar forum, but am I the only one here who finds it strange that there is no direct service between KBOS and North Station? South Station has the SL1 Silver Line, even Back Bay has Logan Express service.
I just don't get why the MBTA or Massport haven't proposed a connection to North Station, the second busiest transit and commuter rail hub in Boston.
North side commuters have to take TWO subways (either the Green or Orange Line + Blue Line) to travel to the airport. Not to mention that they have to board a bus at the Blue Line station to access the terminals.

acavpics wrote:

I'm sure someone might have brought this up on a similar forum, but am I the only one here who finds it strange that there is no direct service between KBOS and North Station? South Station has the SL1 Silver Line, even Back Bay has Logan Express service.
I just don't get why the MBTA or Massport haven't proposed a connection to North Station, the second busiest transit and commuter rail hub in Boston.
North side commuters have to take TWO subways (either the Green or Orange Line + Blue Line) to travel to the airport. Not to mention that they have to board a bus at the Blue Line station to access the terminals.

There's technically 3 options:
1. SL1 to South Station, Red Line to Downtown Crossing, Orange Line to North Station
2. SL1 to South Station, Red Line to Park Street, Green Line to North Station
3. Massport Shuttle to Blue Line Station, Blue Line to State Street, Orange Line to North Station

I think 3 is the best option, nonetheless still a pain to have 3 modes just to get to North Station. With how things are going for the MBTA I don't see an easier connection from Logan to North Station happening anytime soon.

tjerome wrote:

acavpics wrote:

I'm sure someone might have brought this up on a similar forum, but am I the only one here who finds it strange that there is no direct service between KBOS and North Station? South Station has the SL1 Silver Line, even Back Bay has Logan Express service.
I just don't get why the MBTA or Massport haven't proposed a connection to North Station, the second busiest transit and commuter rail hub in Boston.
North side commuters have to take TWO subways (either the Green or Orange Line + Blue Line) to travel to the airport. Not to mention that they have to board a bus at the Blue Line station to access the terminals.

There's technically 3 options:
1. SL1 to South Station, Red Line to Downtown Crossing, Orange Line to North Station
2. SL1 to South Station, Red Line to Park Street, Green Line to North Station
3. Massport Shuttle to Blue Line Station, Blue Line to State Street, Orange Line to North Station

I think 3 is the best option, nonetheless still a pain to have 3 modes just to get to North Station. With how things are going for the MBTA I don't see an easier connection from Logan to North Station happening anytime soon.

So no hope of a Logan Express to North Station?
I still find it so bizarre that they chose to serve Back Bay in 2014. People there can easily just hop on a Commuter Rail to South Station (literally one stop away on the Worcester, Providence/Stoughton, Franklin, and Needham Lines) and then an SL1 to BOS. After all, it's so much easier to travel with luggage on a commuter rail as opposed to a subway train.

acavpics wrote:

I'm sure someone might have brought this up on a similar forum, but am I the only one here who finds it strange that there is no direct service between KBOS and North Station? South Station has the SL1 Silver Line, even Back Bay has Logan Express service.
I just don't get why the MBTA or Massport haven't proposed a connection to North Station, the second busiest transit and commuter rail hub in Boston.
North side commuters have to take TWO subways (either the Green or Orange Line + Blue Line) to travel to the airport. Not to mention that they have to board a bus at the Blue Line station to access the terminals.

You have to look at the history of the SL and why it was created. There are 5 SL routes and the one that stops at the airport is just a nice bonus to compliment the rest of the SL routes. The main purpose of the SL was to connect Roxbury and Chelsea to Downtown, and to the rest of the subway network.
I don't think there is a lot of demand for commuter rail to airport traffic. A train that only runs once every 1-2 hours is not really that convenient to begin with. I live in the North and I just park at Woburn and then take the Logan Express bus. That's a heck of a lot more convenient than taking the commuter rail and it shows. I did that just yesterday, my flight arrived a 11:30pm and I caught the midnight bus which was nearly full. The Braintree bus looked just as full. I think it makes more sense for Massport to continue to invest in these remote airport parking locations. Having said that it's not a crazy exercise to hop on the Orange Line to the Blue Line.

acavpics wrote:

I still find it so bizarre that they chose to serve Back Bay in 2014. People there can easily just hop on a Commuter Rail to South Station (literally one stop away on the Worcester, Providence/Stoughton, Franklin, and Needham Lines) and then an SL1 to BOS. After all, it's so much easier to travel with luggage on a commuter rail as opposed to a subway train.

Lots of hotels in the BackBay. The goal of the Back Bay bus was to reduce the amount of Ubers/taxis to the airport and of course, make some money off of that demand.

Massport has proposed a Logan Express to North Station from 2020, but it has been delayed/cancelled with the pandemic.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/05/01/massport-has-deal-take-bus-cut-security-line/MdzqNrHuIkruuQcQaodwiK/story.html

airbazar wrote:

acavpics wrote:

I'm sure someone might have brought this up on a similar forum, but am I the only one here who finds it strange that there is no direct service between KBOS and North Station? South Station has the SL1 Silver Line, even Back Bay has Logan Express service.
I just don't get why the MBTA or Massport haven't proposed a connection to North Station, the second busiest transit and commuter rail hub in Boston.
North side commuters have to take TWO subways (either the Green or Orange Line + Blue Line) to travel to the airport. Not to mention that they have to board a bus at the Blue Line station to access the terminals.

You have to look at the history of the SL and why it was created. There are 5 SL routes and the one that stops at the airport is just a nice bonus to compliment the rest of the SL routes. The main purpose of the SL was to connect Roxbury and Chelsea to Downtown, and to the rest of the subway network.
I don't think there is a lot of demand for commuter rail to airport traffic. A train that only runs once every 1-2 hours is not really that convenient to begin with. I live in the North and I just park at Woburn and then take the Logan Express bus. That's a heck of a lot more convenient than taking the commuter rail and it shows. I did that just yesterday, my flight arrived a 11:30pm and I caught the midnight bus which was nearly full. The Braintree bus looked just as full. I think it makes more sense for Massport to continue to invest in these remote airport parking locations. Having said that it's not a crazy exercise to hop on the Orange Line to the Blue Line.

acavpics wrote:

I still find it so bizarre that they chose to serve Back Bay in 2014. People there can easily just hop on a Commuter Rail to South Station (literally one stop away on the Worcester, Providence/Stoughton, Franklin, and Needham Lines) and then an SL1 to BOS. After all, it's so much easier to travel with luggage on a commuter rail as opposed to a subway train.

Lots of hotels in the BackBay. The goal of the Back Bay bus was to reduce the amount of Ubers/taxis to the airport and of course, make some money off of that demand.

I agree with the comment on the Back Bay shuttle. It's much more than just the BackBay station and commuters - it's a business and tourist travel hub. Bain, Liberty Mutual HQ's are right there not to mention the Hancock tower. Then you have several large hotels that are very busy in the conference/convention business. And my recollection is that the shuttle originates at the station but then circles back and makes a couple of other stops in the back bay before getting on the pike. I don't think you would see the same activity at North Station - and, like the western suburban travelers. most probably don't commute to the station and then take a shuttle. They catch a shuttle farther out.